Game of Thrones Season 4 Ep 6 "The Laws of God and Man" AKA The Dinklage Emmy Winner

Game of Thrones Season 4 Ep 6 "The Laws of God and Man" AKA The Dinklage Emmy Winner

A lot of minor stuff happens then Peter Dinklage gives us all a lesson in major league acting. And it was awesome.

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I predict Oberyn, champion of Tyrion, vs The Mountain next episode. Simply because, who else would Tywin pick as his champion for a trial by combat? Not the lord of flowers - he got beat up by a girl. And this will give Oberyn that much desired payback for the rape and murder of his sister. Though, with the name of the next episode, something's gonna happen at the Aerie. Maybe Littlefinger makes his wife fly. We know he wants to, that girl's loony.

I really do think Tyrion is gonna ask Jamie to fight for him. I mean, he asked for him the first time he called for this, so he might do it again. As for Tywin, I have no idea. It could be Oberyn, but it could also be Bronn just because he failed to do what Tyrion asked of him. He does go for the most money, so he might be involved there. Could be fun to watch a legit match between Jamie and Bronn.

Seeing as who the Iron Bank is backing now I'm really curious to know how it's going to play out. I mean, Stannis will do anything to get to the Iron Throne, but for some reason I don't think it's going to end well for him. He's far to rash and impulsive.

I did cheer at the little speech Tyrion gave and I'm super excited for the next episode. :D

Oh my god this was sooo gooooooood.
Even for someone who read the books, this was such an amazing episode.
Damn Peter Dinklage, you are awesome...

I think this was probably the first episode I have watched where I found the excessive to actively take her out of the experience.

We have this great dramatic speech by Davos and it the transition felt like "... and now, some tits"

Still, it was definitely the best episode since the Purple Wedding and Peter Dinklage was unbelievably brilliant.

Remus:
I predict Oberyn, champion of Tyrion, vs The Mountain next episode. Simply because, who else would Tywin pick as his champion for a trial by combat? Not the lord of flowers - he got beat up by a girl. And this will give Oberyn that much desired payback for the rape and murder of his sister. Though, with the name of the next episode, something's gonna happen at the Aerie. Maybe Littlefinger makes his wife fly. We know he wants to, that girl's loony.

I allready read the books, but it's not nice to spoil the books for everyone else.

"He increases the bounty on the head of The Hound ". Actually, I might have heard it wrong, it's stated that they should put a bounty out. Then 10 silver pieces is suggested, and then get's shrugged away with "make it a hundred".

So technically he raises the bounty, but not in the sense that an existing bounty was inadequate in the first place. I hope this bounty will give us some more scenes with Arya and the Hound!

Tyrion; OMG, that trial was AWESOME!!!
Not sure that combat will work out for him. Seems like a great opportunity for Cersei to poison Tyrion's champion, so that whoever that will be staggers just before the winning strike and thus get's killed. That is a very typical cliche... hope they avoid it, but fear they won't.

I don't understand why they back Davos and co at the bank, though. Why not back Daneirys? She has the best claim AND tons of victories and Unsullied... oh, and DRAGONSSSS!!!! *Imagine that last statement ending with me spitting fire :D *

Speaking of the latter; very cool scene to show their power, speed and cruelty!

To wrap up; MUCH better episode than the two before it.

Favorite episode yet, excluding of course the obvious one.

Only moment that felt out of place was the pirate joke. It was a bit of a funny moment, obviously knocking on how cliched the joke is (and how many have told it), but for some reason that was the one scene that failed to suspend my disbelief.

Also, I hope that crazy bitch flies through the moon next week.

Amaror:

I allready read the books, but it's not nice to spoil the books for everyone else.

How do you know he read the books? He said he "predicts" it, and I have heard other non book-reading folk predict the same simply because The mountain is a fearsome warrior in the Lannisterīs pocket, and Oberyn wants really to fight him.

Until your post this wasnīt an spoiler.

Fantastic episode capped by an awesomely cathartic speech. While the stuff with Tyrion was indeed the best (as always), I really liked the Bravos scene at the start. Daavos and Stannis are getting to be a rare treat these days, so the more we see of them, the better. Especially without Mellissandre. Is that how you spell that? I don't care.

It's funny the reviewer mentioned Ramsay becoming the new hate sink in place of Joffrey because I've thought for ages that he was way worse. I mean, the episode where Joffrey died also had Ramsay (or 'evil Matt Smith' as I call him) hunting a girl for sport and getting Theon to shave him while rubbing the death of Robb Stark in his face. Meanwhile Joffrey's equivalent scene in the same episode was just to re-enact the war with jousting dwarves and pour wine on Tyrion's head when he didn't play along. Harsh, but peanuts compared to shit Ramsay got up to. He's creepy, whereas Joffrey was at least good for a laugh.

Kingjackl:
Fantastic episode capped by an awesomely cathartic speech. While the stuff with Tyrion was indeed the best (as always), I really liked the Bravos scene at the start. Daavos and Stannis are getting to be a rare treat these days, so the more we see of them, the better. Especially without Mellissandre. Is that how you spell that? I don't care.

It's funny the reviewer mentioned Ramsay becoming the new hate sink in place of Joffrey because I've thought for ages that he was way worse. I mean, the episode where Joffrey died also had Ramsay (or 'evil Matt Smith' as I call him) hunting a girl for sport and getting Theon to shave him while rubbing the death of Robb Stark in his face. Meanwhile Joffrey's equivalent scene in the same episode was just to re-enact the war with jousting dwarves and pour wine on Tyrion's head when he didn't play along. Harsh, but peanuts compared to shit Ramsay got up to. He's creepy, whereas Joffrey was at least good for a laugh.

For me I would say that Ramsay has simply had more time and put more thought into his sadism whereas Joffrey was still pretty much a child.

The way that Joffrey hurt people was crude and obvious but the way that Ramsay does is it is so much more thought out in order to cause maximum pain and anguish in his victims.

My point being that I think Joffrey would have become more like Ramsay if he had been allowed to. That and I think that Ramsay is way smarter than Joffrey was. Smarter in an incredibly twisted way of course but smarter none the less.

Sorry guys, I really didn't like this episode. Personally I thought it was terrible. The scene with the ironborn was just cringe worthy - they sail around the entire fucking continent to let a shirtless dude with no shield tear through them and leisurely watch him unlock some cages one by one even though he's literally standing no more than 5 steps away from them. What was the point of this storyline? Shatter everyones suspension of disbelief? Set up a certain later event for the ironborn? If its the latter, why not do it with a more interesting character than Osha or Asha or whatever they called her in the show? Book readers will know theres 3 candidates for this which would make great television.

Then theres the changes made to Dany which... Ugh. It would have been much cooler for the guy to unravel the charred bones of his child, especially when you consider whats going to happen in the future. Hizdahr, same thing really.

Oh well, at least Tyrion was good. The episodes saving grace. It seems the quality of the series is dropping fast - its just filled with nonsensical mini story lines which stop making sense the second you take a closer look at them, the Jon, Bran and Locke thing being a prime example.

Kenjitsuka:
I don't understand why they back Davos and co at the bank, though. Why not back Daneirys? She has the best claim AND tons of victories and Unsullied...

Why the Bravosi haven't supported Daenerys in her war at slavers bay so far has mystified me, several times we hear through the novels about how they hate slavery and have frequently gone to war with the other free cities over it. You think the First Sea Lord would have sent her support to help her win in slavers bay and retake Westeros to pay back the Iron Bank.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

It seems the quality of the series is dropping fast - its just filled with nonsensical mini story lines which stop making sense the second you take a closer look at them, the Jon, Bran and Locke thing being a prime example.

Because after the trial and the events following, the books get really slow. Especially where Bran and company, and Dany are concerned. They just aren't good but the show needs to address these characters.

I wasn't going to comment since I stopped watching the show after season two, but, why is it that "Tywin" was only spelled correctly in this article twice? Or is there a mysterious new character named Twyin?

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Then theres the changes made to Dany which... Ugh. It would have been much cooler for the guy to unravel the charred bones of his child, especially when you consider whats going to happen in the future.

I've noticed a lot of people saying this about the dragon attack and it's not true; same thing happens in the books. First the dragons hunt sheep and other livestock and people start going to Dany all the time, asking her to help them now that her dragons killed their only source of income. It was only later that the dragon allegedly kills a child (yes, charred bones of a child are presented to her, but it might as well be one of the many attempts of Sons of the Harpy to overthrow her or someone else just using the opportunity). The scene in the latest episode was not a change made to Dany. The child thing will still happen, probably in the next season (it's all book 5 material anyway).

I agree with you about the Dreadfort part in the episode though. They probably wanted to remind us about Yara's existence (Yara in the show, Asha in the books), show how deeply Theon got screwed by Ramsay and give them something to do for this season. But their defeat in the kennels was pretty stupid. Yara is an expert axe-thrower, she could have killed Ramsay in a blink of an eye. And they would've killed the dogs as soon as they arrived, since they can wake the whole castle and are obviously dangerous. Ah well.

I'm glad that the trial was excellent, though. The whole thing made me nervous even though I read the books and knew what's going to happen. Amazing work.

Fiz_The_Toaster:
I really do think Tyrion is gonna ask Jamie to fight for him. I mean, he asked for him the first time he called for this, so he might do it again. As for Tywin, I have no idea. It could be Oberyn, but it could also be Bronn just because he failed to do what Tyrion asked of him. He does go for the most money, so he might be involved there. Could be fun to watch a legit match between Jamie and Bronn.

The problem with Jaime is that he can't side against his family so publicly and even with his training he is still not as good as he used to be. Against the Lannister's best, he'd be toast.

I also doubt Bronn will get involved. He's a good fighter, but there are better that the Lannisters can get for free.

I'm guessing the Mountain will be the Lannister choice, since he's always been their attack dog and only the insane would fight him. Ser Loras is the only other possible choice, but I doubt the Tyrells would risk his life for a Lannister cause.

As for Tyrion, I think Oberyn will do it, if only so he can avenge himself on the Mountain and stick it to Tywin. Also, the show keeps dropping hints that Oberyn is a skilled warrior (I think the side comment about the Unsullied is supposed to hint that he's learned some skills from them) and he doesn't fear Tywin or Cersei.

The only other person who would even represent him would have been Brienne, but she's miles away by now. Maybe the Hound if he was here (anything to kill his brother) but he's not.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
It seems the quality of the series is dropping fast - its just filled with nonsensical mini story lines which stop making sense the second you take a closer look at them, the Jon, Bran and Locke thing being a prime example.

This has been my feeling for most of season 4 too. I understand why they split book 3 into two seasons, for pretty much the same reason the book was split in most of Europe; because it would otherwise be a really crammed season with just ten episodes to cover it all. But the way they are going about it now, just dragging out what basically constitutes the last third of book 3 over the course of an entire season, just seems inane.

Things happen but nothing really seems to come out of all these things happening, instead the status quo seems to remain episode after episode (when was the last time we saw Stannis, episode 4:2? When are the wildlings going to perform the attack that was imminent at the end of season 3?) while the plot leisurely plods forward at a pace that feels more reminiscent of A Feast for Crows than it does a Storm of Swords. This could have been remedied a bit by preparing the viewer for some of the story lines about to come (a good example of this is actually Dany's scene in the last episode), but instead we get these mini-story lines that doesn't seem to go anywhere and are unlikely to have any effect on the overall narrative.

Kingjackl:

It's funny the reviewer mentioned Ramsay becoming the new hate sink in place of Joffrey because I've thought for ages that he was way worse. I mean, the episode where Joffrey died also had Ramsay (or 'evil Matt Smith' as I call him) hunting a girl for sport and getting Theon to shave him while rubbing the death of Robb Stark in his face. Meanwhile Joffrey's equivalent scene in the same episode was just to re-enact the war with jousting dwarves and pour wine on Tyrion's head when he didn't play along. Harsh, but peanuts compared to shit Ramsay got up to. He's creepy, whereas Joffrey was at least good for a laugh.

For me, what makes Ramsay wonderfully villainous is how smart and how crazy he is. Joff was a spoiled brat with a sadistic sense of humor, whereas Ramsay comes from the opposite direction. Joff was handed everything he ever wanted from the second he started breathing, while Ramsay is a bastard who's had to fight for his father's attention. He's learned how to manipulate people into getting what he wants. Joff was dumb, Ramsay is ruthlessly clever.

Only the truly insane would dive into a battle with only a pair of weapons and trousers to protect yourself. I really wish the Dreadfort sequence was given a little more time and thought, because it could have been a good character defining moment for the Bastard of Bolton.

Beliyal:
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Its not the only thing though. Does she allow Hizdhar Mcweirdlyspelledname to bury his father in the books too? If so, 1) I forgot about that, sorry but 2) that makes zero fucking sense. Remember the dude who came to her and asked to get his fathers house back after 2 slaves killed his father, his brother and raped his mother in front of them? Remember Danys answer? Lol nope, blanket pardon. And yet she's so moved by Hizdahrs plea and grants it, despite having no pressure because the Sons of the Harpy are a non-factor in the show?

I didn't mention this because I try not to flame the show for deviating from the books when the changes aren't completely nonsensical like the whole Yara sailing around the continent to save her brother thing. It just seems stupid. What is show Dany worried about? When you look at the kind of stuff she strolled through without batting an eyelid in the first 3 seasons her showing in the latest episodes just seems out of character. It seems like they gave show Dany the level of stress and worry book Dany had around this time, except they removed half the fucking cause. You could blame it on time constraints if half the story lines shown this season weren't irrelevant.

shadowmagus:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

It seems the quality of the series is dropping fast - its just filled with nonsensical mini story lines which stop making sense the second you take a closer look at them, the Jon, Bran and Locke thing being a prime example.

Because after the trial and the events following, the books get really slow. Especially where Bran and company, and Dany are concerned. They just aren't good but the show needs to address these characters.

I really don't get this argument. For all the hate AFFC gets it has enough material to fill an entire season on its own without fillers. I guess the books get too slow for a TV show if you need dragons every other episode, or end every third with "And who... Are you..." though.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Beliyal:
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Its not the only thing though. Does she allow Hizdhar Mcweirdlyspelledname to bury his father in the books too? If so, 1) I forgot about that, sorry but 2) that makes zero fucking sense. Remember the dude who came to her and asked to get his fathers house back after 2 slaves killed his father, his brother and raped his mother in front of them? Remember Danys answer? Lol nope, blanket pardon. And yet she's so moved by Hizdahrs plea and grants it, despite having no pressure because the Sons of the Harpy are a non-factor in the show?

I didn't mention this because I try not to flame the show for deviating from the books when the changes aren't completely nonsensical like the whole Yara sailing around the continent to save her brother thing. It just seems stupid. What is show Dany worried about? When you look at the kind of stuff she strolled through without batting an eyelid in the first 3 seasons her showing in the latest episodes just seems out of character. It seems like they gave show Dany the level of stress and worry book Dany had around this time, except they removed half the fucking cause. You could blame it on time constraints if half the story lines shown this season weren't irrelevant.

I'm still undecided about the changes they made with Hizdahr; they clearly introduced him earlier and in a different way. Perhaps to make the audience more sympathetic for the future events? I have no idea. I have no idea what they plan to do with Dany at all at this point, her book 3 material ended in the previous episode. They are now in book 5 with her, and I'm a bit puzzled about what they are going to do with her for two or more seasons. They'll probably add some non-book events, as they always do. I hope all this with Hizdahr they put in now will make some sense later. But yeah, certain character motivations and events are clearly much more different than in the books. I'm still torn on whether I like it or not, but in the end I consider the book canon and much more enjoyable. The show has amazing moments, but I'm not too worried about it. I trust Martin will do his thing as he has always planned to do it. I just wish he would hurry.

Tyrion's odds are probably better in a trial by combat than at the wall anyway. Night's Watch is kinda full of terrible people who hate nobles, and he can presumably still call on Bronn or Jaime to do him a solid. Still, I'd totally forgotten that that was an option so I appreciated the twist.

The one thing they don't need in order to deal with Daenerys is have a special plan. She has an army, other people have armies. Attack her! With your army! Like, actually try to make her army not alive anymore! I know they don't get to sleep with her then, but she is definitely not the only woman on the entire continent and I don't recall her having ever even been in a large-scale military conflict. Hell, do it right and maybe you can take/kill her dragons.

THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS.

SkullKing:

Amaror:

I allready read the books, but it's not nice to spoil the books for everyone else.

How do you know he read the books? He said he "predicts" it, and I have heard other non book-reading folk predict the same simply because The mountain is a fearsome warrior in the Lannisterīs pocket, and Oberyn wants really to fight him.

Until your post this wasnīt an spoiler.

C'mon. Pretty obvious from the way it was written ("subtle" lol) that dude knows what's coming and wanted to pretend he was making brilliant predictions. The last part is a dead giveaway...

FieryTrainwreck:
THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS...
.

If your post contains spoilers, put them in the [ spoilers ] tag.

While scrolling I never even saw that text. You're the only one who's been spoiling in this thread. I don't mind spoilers myself, but have some decency for other people. "this contains spoilers" has always been a bad way to hide them, because people have to exclude themselves from the entire conversation based on one remark.

Put it in spoiler tags and people can participate and simply skip that part.

On topic: this was finally an episode that was worth watching. Actual drama happens instead of background info, gratuitous bad action scenes and exposition.

Fantastic trial, very interesting jaymi / tywin conversation. (tywin decides so quick... Was this part of his plan?), the first Dany character moment since she betrayed the slave masters of ostaport. God she and her story are dull.
The bank was fun too. Sweet sweet episode.

teamcharlie:
Tyrion's odds are probably better in a trial by combat than at the wall anyway. Night's Watch is kinda full of terrible people who hate nobles, and he can presumably still call on Bronn or Jaime to do him a solid. Still, I'd totally forgotten that that was an option so I appreciated the twist.

The one thing they don't need in order to deal with Daenerys is have a special plan. She has an army, other people have armies. Attack her! With your army! Like, actually try to make her army not alive anymore! I know they don't get to sleep with her then, but she is definitely not the only woman on the entire continent and I don't recall her having ever even been in a large-scale military conflict. Hell, do it right and maybe you can take/kill her dragons.

And who would attack her? The Lannisters, who are in the process of rebuilding their army after 2 defeats in the war against Robb while Stannis breaths down their necks? The Boltons who don't even control the gateway to the kingdom they're trying to control at this moment? Martells, who would probably prefer to see Dany on the iron throne anyway? High garden, in their war torn state? Stannis himself to defend a throne he isn't even sitting upon yet while 2 more pressing problems arise?

The only people who even have time for that shit are the Greyjoys and they don't even bother laying sieges.

Unless you're talking about the rest of Essos, in which case... Well, they're already trying.

I always thought Ramsey was so much worse than Joffrey ever was, but Joffrey was so much more a terrifying threat because of what he could become and the fact he was actually in the position to do it. Ramsey is a nobody with some sick fetishes, while Joffrey was the goddamn king with unlimited resources and outlets for his madness.

dunam:

FieryTrainwreck:
THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS...
.

If your post contains spoilers, put them in the [ spoilers ] tag.

While scrolling I never even saw that text. You're the only one who's been spoiling in this thread. I don't mind spoilers myself, but have some decency for other people. "this contains spoilers" has always been a bad way to hide them, because people have to exclude themselves from the entire conversation based on one remark.

Put it in spoiler tags and people can participate and simply skip that part.

I wasn't spoiling. I didn't read the books. I was just connecting dots. I swear.

I did fix it, but I also didn't spoil anything that wasn't already spoiled. Unless you think saying exactly what's going to happen in the very first response, and then playing it off like you're just "making predictions", isn't spoiling. In which case, again... I was also making predictions.

One thing I think they failed hard at was Shae. In the books it's clear she's completely mercenary and Tyrion was fooling himself with her, but here they've gone out of their way to make it clear she loves Tyrion and Sansa... so why keep her betrayal arc unchanged. It jars badly with the character and makes no sense. The only way it'll work is if we find out that Cersei or whoever forced her to do it somehow.

This episode was fantastic. The end performance from Dinklage was chill-inducing. Its not often I get an actual physical reaction to a scene, but this one got me. He's got a fantastic character to play, but he does it soooooooo well. Tyrion and Tywin are probably my fav characters on the show (except Arya <3 ) and Tyrion is just...ah man. I've waited for this.

Its an awful pity Tywin just cant recognize Tyrion for the genius he is. Thats Tywins only flaw. If he had used Tyrion to his potential the seven kingdoms would fall like flies before them.

SkullKing:

Amaror:

I allready read the books, but it's not nice to spoil the books for everyone else.

How do you know he read the books? He said he "predicts" it, and I have heard other non book-reading folk predict the same simply because The mountain is a fearsome warrior in the Lannisterīs pocket, and Oberyn wants really to fight him.

Until your post this wasnīt an spoiler.

I'm pretty sure you are reading that wrong; Aramor is saying he already knows what will happen in the books, and thus he will not comment further... Aramor is not saying that the other person spoiled anything.

FieryTrainwreck:

dunam:

FieryTrainwreck:
THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS...
.

If your post contains spoilers, put them in the [ spoilers ] tag.

While scrolling I never even saw that text. You're the only one who's been spoiling in this thread. I don't mind spoilers myself, but have some decency for other people. "this contains spoilers" has always been a bad way to hide them, because people have to exclude themselves from the entire conversation based on one remark.

Put it in spoiler tags and people can participate and simply skip that part.

I wasn't spoiling. I didn't read the books. I was just connecting dots. I swear.

I did fix it, but I also didn't spoil anything that wasn't already spoiled. Unless you think saying exactly what's going to happen in the very first response, and then playing it off like you're just "making predictions", isn't spoiling. In which case, again... I was also making predictions.

Thank you for fixing it, if only everyone on the internet was as courtous as you.

Teamcharlie, why would anyone risk attacking Dany. That kind of attacks risk your own life. Varys' way of dealing with things gives your life a lot more longevity: keep on paddling.

Someone might take her out.

She might not go to westeros.

Maybe the horse will learn to sing hymns.

Someone needs to get started on writing more outstanding roles for Peter Dinklage, there are not enough dwarf roles; and he is far too great an actor not have a job once his part in GoT declines.

As for the episode, Dani needs to appoint some good governors and spend some time managing her dragons.

Skull Bearer:
One thing I think they failed hard at was Shae. In the books it's clear she's completely mercenary and Tyrion was fooling himself with her, but here they've gone out of their way to make it clear she loves Tyrion and Sansa... so why keep her betrayal arc unchanged. It jars badly with the character and makes no sense. The only way it'll work is if we find out that Cersei or whoever forced her to do it somehow.

Don't think so.

The show has her portrayed in a more sympathetic light, but she's still petulant and foolish for all of her fiery temper. All appeals to reason from Tyrion did not move her when actual danger loomed. What actually had her driven away at episode 2 was being called a whore, which as someone who came to love Tyrion hurt like hell and they made it show both on that scene before Bronn supposedly takes her away (devastated) and in the trial, where the only hint of emotion in her delivery is whenever she uttered the word "whore". Clearly that DID hurt her, and for all of her more sympathetic portrayal, she's always been portrayed as hot tempered to a fault. And as such, her betrayal was her way of payback. Probably coupled with some threats by Cersei and/or Tywin (I am guessing Cersei, Tywin would have gotten what he wanted out of the trial - Jaime continuing the bloodline- without pushing Tyrion into that unexpected outburst. Tywin in the series is nothing if not pragmatic and bringing Shae just to hurt and humiliate Tyrion would not only be out of character in a man whose cruelty is dispassionate, but is also calculating enough to not push Tyrion beyond the intended breaking point), it's not hard to imagine her flipping and acting out in hatred.

 

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