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Game of Lady Bones

"I'm thinking sexy torture victim."

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I think at a certain point disfigurement becomes a logistical problem for the make-up department so they have to take some liberties with the books.

EDIT:
In response to people saying "Well what about [insert show here]";
Yes, WHAT ABOUT THAT SHOW, Game of Thrones is not that Show.

In response to people saying "What about the mountain";
He's not in it anywhere near as much as Tyrion.

You can't mess up Tyrion's face.

How else is he gonna be the GoT golden boy?

They could at least dye Theons hair white like it is in the book. That doesnt sound like too much to ask from the makeup people. Right now he looks like he is having a fun ride through the park.
ALternativly they could replace the actor with the alfie doll from lilly allens song about her brother.

Revolutionary:
I think at a certain point disfigurement becomes a logistical problem for the make-up department so they have to take some liberties with the books.

Sure, cutting off Tyrion's nose is hard, but it's pretty straightforward to make a good-looking person look pretty awful. If nothing else, they could blacken up Reek's teeth or otherwise give him some physical signs of the abuse he suffered.

Daystar Clarion:
You can't mess up Tyrion's face.

How else is he gonna be the GoT golden boy?

who cut up tyrion's face?

Thunderous Cacophony:

Revolutionary:
I think at a certain point disfigurement becomes a logistical problem for the make-up department so they have to take some liberties with the books.

Sure, cutting off Tyrion's nose is hard, but it's pretty straightforward to make a good-looking person look pretty awful. If nothing else, they could blacken up Reek's teeth or otherwise give him some physical signs of the abuse he suffered.

Christian Bale can do that for a MOVIE. Ain't no actor gonna do that for a potentially (haven't read the books) long running TV series. Can you imagine if "The Machinist" was a series, and you had to do that to your body every season?

I'm also not familiar with the GoT tv series, but film is a visual medium so despite the amount of effort and expense to make someone look grotesque for a tv series, there's also continuity issues, I suppose. Also, the audience is shallow. They want "beautiful" ugly people.

I'm now familiar with "yaoi manga," so thank you for that, I think.

Most of this Game of Thrones stuff is lost on me because I don't watch the show, but I find the idea of sexy torture victim mildly disturbing. I say "mildly" because internet.

Vault101:

Daystar Clarion:
You can't mess up Tyrion's face.

How else is he gonna be the GoT golden boy?

who cut up tyrion's face?

But yeah the thing with Tyrion and Reek especially frustrates me. Reek in the show is basically just

Kind of missing the point.

I just hope they don't fuck up

Eh, I can understand them not going full Reek. There's only so much you can do to make the body of a young, healthy, toned TV actor look like an emaciated, mutilated torture victim.

Tyrion's scar kinda bothers me though. In The BooksTM he gets a sizeable chunk of his face hacked off. In the TV show he has a line on his cheek. Once again, there's only so much they can do with makeup, but I'd have thought they could do more than that.

canadamus_prime:
Most of this Game of Thrones stuff is lost on me because I don't watch the show, but I find the idea of sexy torture victim mildly disturbing. I say "mildly" because internet.

Considering stuff I've stumbled upon on my fanart searches... probably safest to not go there.

I fully expected Ramsay to plop into that tub and start making love to theon

I was sorely disappointed

Daystar Clarion:
You can't mess up Tyrion's face.

How else is he gonna be the GoT golden boy?

Why with that sliver tongue of his of course.

xD Everyone wants them some of that.

<.< Some just happen to want to cut it out of his head....

Zhukov:
Eh, I can understand them not going full Reek. There's only so much you can do to make the body of a young, healthy, toned TV actor look like an emaciated, mutilated torture victim.

Tyrion's scar kinda bothers me though. In The BooksTM he gets a sizeable chunk of his face hacked off. In the TV show he has a line on his cheek. Once again, there's only so much they can do with makeup, but I'd have thought they could do more than that.

Yeah, they can't make everything the same, but they could at least make what they do have a bit more noticeable.

Then again, the show sure does like to focus on it's sexy junk. ;p

Can the next comic please be about something else? It's getting a bit boring now!

Revolutionary:
I think at a certain point disfigurement becomes a logistical problem for the make-up department so they have to take some liberties with the books.

That doesn't explain why they go the "underwear model" route.

canadamus_prime:
Most of this Game of Thrones stuff is lost on me because I don't watch the show, but I find the idea of sexy torture victim mildly disturbing. I say "mildly" because internet.

If it was really "because internet" then you wouldn't bat an eyelash.

I was less bothered by Tyrion's treatment in the show. I get why they kept Dinklage's face relatively unspoiled, as he is a super popular, likable character, and it's a lot easier to keep that going when you don't look like Skeletor.

The Reek stuff, though, disappoints me. He is supposed to be basically Gollum at this point. Whereas the decision to keep Tyrion unSkeletored was done to keep a good thing going, keeping Theon as pretty as he is totally undermines the effect. I realize you can't exactly make the actor starve himself and shit, but he should at least be a white-haired, hunched over, gibbering mess. He should at least look as emaciated and sick as makeup can get him.

Jimothy Sterling:
I realize you can't exactly make the actor starve himself and shit, but he should at least be a white-haired, hunched over, gibbering mess. He should at least look as emaciated and sick as makeup can get him.

Maybe they should have cast Christian Bale as Theon; from what I heard he doesn't have much of a problem with loosing or gaining weight for a role.

Though that might have some adverse effects on the show, such as:

- having a way too old Theon
- not having any money left for the rest of the show
- Batman

Edit: I just found out that Bale earned only 250k for his role in The Machinist... wow.

They'll probably make Lady Stoneheart all sexy-like too even though she's supposed to be frighteningly hideous.

Jimothy Sterling:

The Reek stuff, though, disappoints me. He is supposed to be basically Gollum at this point. Whereas the decision to keep Tyrion unSkeletored was done to keep a good thing going, keeping Theon as pretty as he is totally undermines the effect. I realize you can't exactly make the actor starve himself and shit, but he should at least be a white-haired, hunched over, gibbering mess. He should at least look as emaciated and sick as makeup can get him.

Eh, the important point, for me at least, was psychological anyway. I think they've been doing a pretty good job of it so far.

tdylan:

Thunderous Cacophony:

Sure, cutting off Tyrion's nose is hard, but it's pretty straightforward to make a good-looking person look pretty awful. If nothing else, they could blacken up Reek's teeth or otherwise give him some physical signs of the abuse he suffered.

Christian Bale can do that for a MOVIE. Ain't no actor gonna do that for a potentially (haven't read the books) long running TV series. Can you imagine if "The Machinist" was a series, and you had to do that to your body every season?

I'm also not familiar with the GoT tv series, but film is a visual medium so despite the amount of effort and expense to make someone look grotesque for a tv series, there's also continuity issues, I suppose. Also, the audience is shallow. They want "beautiful" ugly people.

I wouldn't expect Alfie Allen to go as far as Bale did; I just linked him and Theron from Monster to show how they can make good-looking people ugly. But he could stand to lose 20-30 pounds of muscle. Plenty of actors have done that for TV, andit would make him look much more believable as a torture victim. Continuity shouldn't be too much of a problem; I'm sure he can stay at a relatively stable, healthy weight that doesn't make him look like a model that's rubbed some dirt on his face.

Well, there's real-world ugly, and then there's "Hollywood" ugly, a.k.a. not really that ugly at all. The kind of ugly that gets actors to have Oscars and other awards practically thrown at them.

Jimothy Sterling:
I was less bothered by Tyrion's treatment in the show. I get why they kept Dinklage's face relatively unspoiled, as he is a super popular, likable character, and it's a lot easier to keep that going when you don't look like Skeletor.

He's popular and likable? Well, shit, he's a dead man walking now. Just a matter of time before an anvil falls on him or something.

The Reek stuff, though, disappoints me. He is supposed to be basically Gollum at this point. Whereas the decision to keep Tyrion unSkeletored was done to keep a good thing going, keeping Theon as pretty as he is totally undermines the effect. I realize you can't exactly make the actor starve himself and shit, but he should at least be a white-haired, hunched over, gibbering mess. He should at least look as emaciated and sick as makeup can get him.

I believe someone's gone full Gollum when he talks to "himself" and is a physically-deformed freak.

Revolutionary:
I think at a certain point disfigurement becomes a logistical problem for the make-up department so they have to take some liberties with the books.

Or simply shows with pretty people have better ratings.

Look at Arrow, a steaming pile of shit going so good it's not only getting renewed but getting a spinoff.
But it has a bloody underwear model lead, no matter he can't act for shit and has no range, DEM ABS. MMMM.

ricree:

Eh, the important point, for me at least, was psychological anyway. I think they've been doing a pretty good job of it so far.

This right here, is the primary reason I'm not bothered by them not going full Reek. Alfie has been doing wonderfully in conveying the mental trauma, even if his physical disfigurements will never quite match up.

At least R.R. Martin (or whoever) doesn't really go past this into the "wiener song" territory plunged-into by South Park.

Still more Game of Thrones comics? Boo! Yeah, great job pointing out what "Hollywood ugly" is about, but still, boo!

I await the day that we see another "Christian Bale In The Machinist" hero on screens in any context.

...it's not going to happen, is it?

tdylan:

I'm now familiar with "yaoi manga," so thank you for that, I think.

Yep, lots of people don't know the term until they find out, one way or another...

I'd complain, but Ramsay is kind of hot in the show..

tdylan:

Thunderous Cacophony:

Revolutionary:
I think at a certain point disfigurement becomes a logistical problem for the make-up department so they have to take some liberties with the books.

Sure, cutting off Tyrion's nose is hard, but it's pretty straightforward to make a good-looking person look pretty awful. If nothing else, they could blacken up Reek's teeth or otherwise give him some physical signs of the abuse he suffered.

Christian Bale can do that for a MOVIE. Ain't no actor gonna do that for a potentially (haven't read the books) long running TV series. Can you imagine if "The Machinist" was a series, and you had to do that to your body every season?

I'm also not familiar with the GoT tv series, but film is a visual medium so despite the amount of effort and expense to make someone look grotesque for a tv series, there's also continuity issues, I suppose. Also, the audience is shallow. They want "beautiful" ugly people.

I'm now familiar with "yaoi manga," so thank you for that, I think.

Well, strictly speaking it's not that big a deal. When you get down to it you've had some substantial makeup jobs done for long running TV shows, mostly in the science-fiction area. Michael Dorn playing Worf is one example, as is D'argo on Farscape. As a general rule this tends to be more of a problem with women, as apparently the actress who played Zhaan in "Farscape" (Virginia Hey I believe) because of the extensive makeup and body paint so asked to have her character killed. While the name eludes me, allegedly the lady who played Delenn on Babylon 5 basically told the creator that they would either write things so she could get by with more partial makeup, or she was leaving, so at least the part of her becoming a human-minbari hybrid was added, though it sort of fit with the rest of the show. Neither of those are confirmed though, just things I've heard over the years. I'm sure there have probably been dudes who have complained but none that really fit into high profile rumors. I'm guessing that it's because girls want to be seen as pretty and look more like themselves, and that's hard to do from behind tons of monster makeup.

That said, if they want to deform Tyrion for a long period of time, I'd imagine it would be relatively simplistic. Apparently as time went on shows like "Star Trek" made a lot of re-usable prosthetics to rapidly turn people into Klingons and Cardiassians (though the quality, especially for some of the supporting characters, varied from episode to episode, and even scene to scene depending on the job the makeup guys were doing). As long as your not going to be more judgemental than trekkies (dealing with a show with massive budget problems over the years apparently), I'd imagine it would be a simple matter to make re-usable prosthetics for Reek and Tyrion that include their facial deformities and work around them. Game Of Thrones is only producing like 10 episodes a year, compared to some sci-fi shows which have run over twice that many in a seasons, so I imagine it's not going to be as much of a chore for either the actors or FX guys.

I'd imagine it's mostly a clash between what's popular on the TV show and what's accurate to the books, which has been a recurring issue. Ongoing TV shows oftentimes being driven by what's popular and catches on. To use another Trek example apparently the whole "Data's quest to be more human" was greatly expanded and inserted into more episodes than originally intended. When Voyager had some ratings problems they decided to try and take a popular idea, and created "Seven Of Nine" both to replace Jennifer Lien as "the sexy" on the show and to revive a kind of story arc they knew would appeal to people and was easy to write, without totally duplicating Data by having another android with the same exact issue or whatever. In the case of Game Of Thrones they can't just generally decide "okay, we're going to do this, introduce a character and storyline like this, and give this character people like a bigger role". All of the horrible things that happen to people in GoT and the death of established, likable, characters are pretty much anathema to the usual process that happens with TV shows, and I guess the Penny Pinchers are yet again concerned about the bottom line when it comes to radically changing elements that keep people watching.

I'd also say that Yaoi is generally just man on man gay stuff. As a general rule *GURO* is the stuff that's heavily about mutilation, snuff, and extreme, disfiguring, sexy torture. Although erotic conventions can overlap of course. English doesn't seem to have the same kind of label there, which is why you'll see stuff like Dofantasy's works (Fansadox comics) including their "sickest comics" line just generally falling under BDSM although some of it (and all of it under "sickest") goes beyond sadistic bondage-domination porn. Not a huge fan, but I have some awareness of it (and Dofantasy / Fansadox is hetero as far as I've seen, so it's not a perfect analogy)... but yeah, the description does sound a lot like guro-themed yaoi, albeit without anyone being tortured to death for sexual pleasure during or surrounded actual sex acts.

how about a spiked stripper pole?

I don't think people here realize that adding to a face to show disfigurement is relatively easy.

However, Tyrion's disfigurement is mainly removal. He lost part of his lip along with his nose. Makeup can't remove your nose and mouth, that's not quite how it works.

Zachary Amaranth:

canadamus_prime:
Most of this Game of Thrones stuff is lost on me because I don't watch the show, but I find the idea of sexy torture victim mildly disturbing. I say "mildly" because internet.

If it was really "because internet" then you wouldn't bat an eyelash.

Well I haven't been desensitized that much.

They could do waaay more with Reek than they have done. Make him paler, bags under his eyes, disheveled and dirty. Even though they added the scarrs, he still looks freshly showered and powdered.

They don't need Alfie Allen diet to The Machinist levels of malnourishment. Since he's wearing clothes they only need to fake him having a terrible body every once in a while, right?

I haven't read the books, but I'd imagine someone living through continuous mental and physical torture for so long would look way waaay worse.

I get the reasoning. You don't survive an attack of a knight with an axe with a minor bruise, or long-term torture with... Um no signs basically. Both are damaging to the suspension on disbelief.

That said, I'm glad I don't have to watch 2 zombified people every week. It was disturbing enough to read, thank you.

And besides, Tyrion surviving the attack was unlikely in the first place. That guy has way, way too much luck with this kind of stuff. The only explanation is that he's a small target and the usual warriors are not used to fighting such small people.

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