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She-Hulk Shaming

Bob goes into the history behind the creation of She-Hulk.

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She-Hulk definitely has an interesting history, one which I'm kind of technically familiar with, but watching this and learning more about this was cool... But seriously, why is David S. Goyer still writing the new Batman/Superman movie again? I mean, if Man of Steel's general buzz wasn't enough of a tip-off, his recent comments on not only She-Hulk but also the Martian Manhunter definitely should be!

Wait, so Deadpool x She-Hulk should be the Marvel OTP?
Perfect.

Ah She-Hulk, doin' the Deadpool 4th wall schtick before Deadpool.

I'd love a She-Hulk movie.

I would watch a She-Hulk movie.

Then again I liked she Hulk since she showed up int the old Hulk cartoon.

MB202:
She-Hulk definitely has an interesting history, one which I'm kind of technically familiar with, but watching this and learning more about this was cool... But seriously, why is David S. Goyer still writing the new Batman/Superman movie again? I mean, if Man of Steel's general buzz wasn't enough of a tip-off, his recent comments on not only She-Hulk but also the Martian Manhunter definitely should be!

I guess it has something to do with "profit margin". That's all movie execs care about.

I don't really know what to say about that. I didn't even know a she-Hulk existed before the video, and the video didn't really convince me that she's a feminist icon, even if she may not be totally sexist either. Does self-awareness make it less or not sexist?

In anime it's a common trope to have a kickass female protagonist who also happens to be wearing something incredibly skimpy. Take the example of Queen's Blade, a show with a very long list of kickass female characters- but it's also basically porn. Is the she-hulk not sexist because it never shows her in near-explicit sexual situations? Or are the various characters in the Queen's Blade series feminist icons as well?

She-Hulk was always one of my favorite Avengers. Thanks for setting the record straight, Bob.

Thank you, Bob. I always wanted you to do a She-Hulk episode. I'm just sorry those events had to happen to trigger it.

She-Hulk is my favorite comic book character. I have all 25 of the original Savage run (well, I have the Marvel Essentials that has them all in one place) and while I admit Savage isn't all that fun or interesting aside from a few series, Sensational She-Hulk are some of my favorite comics of all time. I'm still trying to get all 60 issues (I'm up to about 40)

I haven't read any of her most recent solo series, but I did love when Peter David was writing her (because he's Peter David...)

I'm kinda torn with the idea of She-Hulk on the screen though. On one hand it would be amazing to see her in the MCU, no doubt about that, and while I know she's a vastly different character than Hulk, I dunno how well those two would blend in Avengers 3 or wherever she pops up.

I'd almost rather see She-Hulk join the other four who've already been confirmed for Netflix. Some of the most interesting She-Hulk arcs have been her in the courtroom. Maybe go back to the idea of Marvel being big enough to go small.

I would of figure that she would be at least have a cameo role in the next Hulk movie.
Still I wonder how many people out there will now used this video to proved she is not a sexist character?

MovieBob:
Bob goes into the history behind the creation of She-Hulk.

no mention of her role in the Civil War series? She pretty much chose to stay in Hulk form for the entire series as she was defending the rights of Speedball.

Expected Bob to do an episode on the Ant-Man controversy. Nice acknowledgment at the end there.

You know, I always assumed that She-Hulk was a character who exists only as eye candy. All I knew of the character was that despite being a female hulk she still turned into a sexy woman and that cover image of her holding a newspaper to cover herself up so it can be easy to jump on the idea that She-Hulk is a sexist character (although if I were to ever make commentary on the series I would at least bother to do research). It's interesting and nice to learn that that's not entirely the case.

I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

I recall being a teenage boy and being aware of she-hulk and honestly I disagree bob she did seem to get relegated as a male sex fantasy. There's that weird "is it feminist if she's aware she's a sex object?" line and I don't have an answer to that. Over time with all the other female heroines she's now been treated respectfully and given some depth I'll agree. She's not still a boob cover like powergirl, but I kinda agree adapting her for screen seems both difficult and pointless. There's enough 1st rank female characters I'd rather see on screen than her.

Carbo:
Expected Bob to do an episode on the Ant-Man controversy. Nice acknowledgment at the end there.

Yeah, there was a lot to choose from this week.

I love She-Hulk, both as a character with interesting things to say, as a lawyer who has no problem showing up big and green to court and, I fully admit, as a gorgeous woman. I've always said that if I had a chance to date a fictional woman, it would most certainly be She Hulk. Half the reason is because she's written as a person first and a hero second and half because I'm attracted to giant green women I guess? Who knew?

Apparently Craig Mason hasn't clearly read the 90s run of She-Hulk where she was depicted as breaking the 4th wall on a level equal to Deadpool. (And sometimes greater. I don't recall Deadpool running across ads to get to the next page or panel.....yet) That's the She-Hulk I grew up with. What a misogynist.

Arqus_Zed:
I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

It is true that she has sex with a lot of different people while she's She-Hulk, but I think it becomes a different argument there. I mean I wouldn't say she has sex with more people than say Iron Man. She is just a bit of a flirt and usually after a tough battle fighting side by side...yeah, things get naked and sweaty.

Sometimes it's actually really funny. Like when she tried to hit on Wolverine who "don't want Juggernaut's sloppy seconds." (she slept with Juggernaut in an earlier arc in Uncanny X-Men when she was his lawyer) but she claims she didn't sleep with Juggernaut.

Later in her solo series she met with another her from another world and her first question was "Did you sleep with Juggernaut!?" to which she replied Yes. So I guess Earth 616 She-Hulk sleeping with Juggernaut has been written out of continuity lol

Depending on how the next few Marvel movies work out we might get one with her in a Future Hulk movie or one with the 'Future Foundation' where Jenny is a member of [i think theyre supposed to be F4 successors and since the licence only belongs to marvel] but i dont know how a movie about team thats all about rescue & not-trash everything in sight would work.

MB202:
She-Hulk definitely has an interesting history, one which I'm kind of technically familiar with, but watching this and learning more about this was cool... But seriously, why is David S. Goyer still writing the new Batman/Superman movie again? I mean, if Man of Steel's general buzz wasn't enough of a tip-off, his recent comments on not only She-Hulk but also the Martian Manhunter definitely should be!

I think the primary difference between studios here is motive. Marvel Studios is thinking "hey, it's highly profitable to make these awesome superhero movies! Cool!" Fox and Sony, on the other hand seem to be thinking more along the lines of "superhero movies are profitable right now, so we're making them."

One is focused on the creative outcome and profiting from it, while the others are focusing on the profit exclusively with mixed results.

If the She-Hulk movie won't fly, stick a pair of fake ears on, pop in a few fangs and say she's an Orc. That wouldn't be half-bad either.

Speaking of nothing... Why does Pidermen's eyes have to look that creepy in every depiction of him having is Uncle Ben Moment?

Arqus_Zed:
I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

I'm curious, if those panels swapped She-Hulk for Iron Man and had a list of his female conquests, would you be inclined to think of him as Slut-Man?

Arqus_Zed:
I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

I doubt it. Even if it did, it would be like dismissing Iron Man as "More like Slut Man amirite?" because he sleeps around (See also: Batman, Green Arrow, just about every other male hero that isn't Superman or Captain America) and we loop around to 'possibly sexist'.

(I'm really not willing to commit to anything being more than 'possibly [BLANK]-ist' since any statement less obvious than "EVERY WOMAN IS WORSE THAN EVERY MAN IN LITERALLY EVERY WAY" tends to result in an argument over what qualifies as [Blank]ism)

Lacey:

Arqus_Zed:
I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

I'm curious, if those panels swapped She-Hulk for Iron Man and had a list of his female conquests, would you be inclined to think of him as Slut-Man?

One, I never thought of She-Hulk as Slut-Hulk, like I said, I neither know nor care enough. I merely thought the controversy about David Goyer calling She-Hulk a Slut-Hulk was because she is a character that is known to sleep around a lot.

Two, no, I do not think of Iron Man as "Slut-Man", I think of him as "Drunk Slut-Man", as pretty much everyone does.

hentropy:
Or are the various characters in the Queen's Blade series feminist icons as well?

No, because the idea behind does characters are that they are "perfect girlfriend" fantasies. Basically, they are pretty, but they are never gone need "you" to be there for them while they will alway be there for "you".

Arqus_Zed:
I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

That kind of begs the question then about her sexuality in terms of her totally owning it but being a source of embarrassment. And why would a prosecutor ask that kind of question? Was that a hearing to determine if Jennifer had compromised her cases or something?

Muspelheim:
If the She-Hulk movie won't fly, stick a pair of fake ears on, pop in a few fangs and say she's an Orc. That wouldn't be half-bad either.

Speaking of nothing... Why does Pidermen's eyes have to look that creepy in every depiction of him having is Uncle Ben Moment?

Give her a TV show and have the transfusion happen in the pilot.

Good show, Bob. It's refreshing to find 'someone' is willing to do their research rather than other people.

I think we just have to label Goyer an insensitive idiot who says too much without knowing enough. It amazes me who gets famous these days between Goyer and Orci.

They probably won't do She-Hulk because you'd have to see her face too often. A masked hero can be played by anyone. Therefore they don't have to have the actor playing that character for as long, thus pay them much less.
If the character doesn't have a mask, it's due to the actor being relatively unknown.

So yes, make a film about a good female superhero who wears a mask.

Or,

Cast an actor who you can pay for not much and write a film about a female superhero who doesn't wear a mask.

Not to infuriate Jim Sterling, but this one of those moments where I can say "Thank God for Bob Chipman!" Nice to have someone cover She-Hulk in a better light than Goyer or those two clueless dip-shits ever could.

Also, I too approve of a She-Hulk movie. Or at least her own TV series. ;)

Goliath100:

hentropy:
Or are the various characters in the Queen's Blade series feminist icons as well?

No, because the idea behind does characters are that they are "perfect girlfriend" fantasies. Basically, they are pretty, but they are never gone need "you" to be there for them while they will alway be there for "you".

The main question I'm asking here is how that differs from the She-Hulk, based on nothing else but what Bob said in the video. Is the She-Hulk not a "perfect girlfriend" fantasy in the same way? She-Hulk may be green and muscular, but trust me when I say there are plenty of people who are into that.

Also, not to get too much into Queen's Blade, but many of the characters are not girlfriend or "perfect" material at all, they actually differ wildly in personality, demeanor, motivations, and looks. They're all physically attractive, but not personally.

So what exactly separates the She-Hulk from various super-busty anime chicks out there who are also kick-ass protagonists? Bob's only evidence of this is "well her powers have no downside and she was self-aware for a little while", but I don't see how that makes her a feminist icon.

vid87:

Arqus_Zed:
I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

That kind of begs the question then about her sexuality in terms of her totally owning it but being a source of embarrassment. And why would a prosecutor ask that kind of question? Was that a hearing to determine if Jennifer had compromised her cases or something?

Like I said, I have no freakin' clue.

I don't really read American comics, most of the stuff I know, I get from the web show "Atop The 4th Wall". Just like I know Iron Man is a drunk and Batman has a son, I know that the She-Hulk tends to sleep around.

I don't even know what comic those panels come from - or what the context is for that matter. I just googled some images to back up the statement that I was making (the one about me thinking David Goyer made the Slut-Hulk reference based on her reputation as someone who sleeps around a lot).

I'm surprised that my eyeballs are still attached to my skull, for I was rolling them vigorously during the entire video

Lacey:

Arqus_Zed:
I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

I'm curious, if those panels swapped She-Hulk for Iron Man and had a list of his female conquests, would you be inclined to think of him as Slut-Man?

My understanding is that Tony Stark's promiscuity is viewed as a character flaw. In fact, the movies -- built around broad appeal -- clearly use his promiscuity as part of his character arc. He eventually becomes "good" and enters into a monogamous relationship.

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