Drakengard 3 Review - Sister Hacked

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Drakengard 3 Review - Sister Hacked

Stupid, messy, and bizarrely hard to hate.

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Don't forget Jim, this game is part of a series where the first game has a child molester/pedophile and a crazy baby eater as characters. Protagonist characters at that. So I'm not surprised about this game having a messed up main character.

... I sort of want to play this game now.

However I'm unsure about jumping into the 3rd installment. I probably won't miss much but I'm a stickler for continuity and would prefer to play the originals. Unfortunately they aren't on PSN and I don't have PS2 to run a copy on.

Alas, if only I had three one PS3. As someone who hasn't met a fictional sexually aggressive woman I haven't liked and a is general fan of crazy-ass Japanese shit, I could probably find in my heart some love for this game.

Sexually aggressive women can still totally be an objectifying sort of thing, it's just tying into male sexual disempowerment fantasies (sex slave dealios) instead of empowerment ones*. Like all things its fine in parts, it's just when its part of a hugely imbalanced pattern that it becomes less cool.

(There's a certain Doctor Who writer who makes awesome quirky, fairly sexually aggressive women who are totally cool until you notice that he only ever writes awesome quirky, fairly sexually aggressive women)

EDIT:* There's actually a really easy way to tell if something like this is written to titillate guys or for the sake of the character/women. Is the women hotter than the people she's having sex with? If it's a hot women making out with a bunch of losers/old men it's totally been written so that people can think 'wow she might force me to have sex with her!'. If she's having sex with a bunch of hot guys then it's much easier to see how that might be empowering for the character/titilating for some women.

I got this game on release and I love it.

The chars are sex maniacs, The Dragon is a complete child, And Zero and her sisters are all batshit

Now if only i could get money quicker to get the final ending....

InsanityRequiem:
Don't forget Jim, this game is part of a series where the first game has a child molester/pedophile and a crazy baby eater as characters. Protagonist characters at that. So I'm not surprised about this game having a messed up main character.

Dont forget his sister wanted to get down and funky with him :D

Or that the one ending is what leads to NieR

BrotherRool:
Sexually aggressive women can still totally be an objectifying sort of thing, it's just tying into male sexual disempowerment fantasies (sex slave dealios) instead of empowerment ones*. Like all things its fine in parts, it's just when its part of a hugely imbalanced pattern that it becomes less cool.

(There's a certain Doctor Who writer who makes awesome quirky, fairly sexually aggressive women who are totally cool until you notice that he only ever writes awesome quirky, fairly sexually aggressive women)

EDIT:* There's actually a really easy way to tell if something like this is written to titillate guys or for the sake of the character/women. Is the women hotter than the people she's having sex with? If it's a hot women making out with a bunch of losers/old men it's totally been written so that people can think 'wow she might force me to have sex with her!'. If she's having sex with a bunch of hot guys then it's much easier to see how that might be empowering for the character/titilating for some women.

I get that, fair comment. However, the way it is played, I don't get a titillating vibe from it, per se. I LOVE dominant women but I was too busy enjoying the comedy and the characterization to feel like I was being played to from an erotic angle.

As for the question of whether she is hotter than the men - of the four men she takes, two of them are very anime cute, one of them is kinda western hunky, and only one is a weird looking old man. I would say it averages out squarely!

I think I'll wait till it hits the 40USD mark.

I got the first game for about 5USD, the second game for about 20USD, and thought I underpaid for both games.

I think this game is looking as a solid 30-40USD buy.

Jimothy Sterling:

I get that, fair comment. However, the way it is played, I don't get a titillating vibe from it, per se. I LOVE dominant women but I was too busy enjoying the comedy and the characterization to feel like I was being played to from an erotic angle.

As for the question of whether she is hotter than the men - of the four men she takes, two of them are very anime cute, one of them is kinda western hunky, and only one is a weird looking old man. I would say it averages out squarely!

Oh well that's really cool then, I'm going to keep an eye out for this game, it sounds insane =D

So it's insane...but is it bleak?

By the end of the first Drakengard I was wondering if I'd ever smile again....

Jimothy Sterling:
Drakengard 3 Review - Sister Hacked

Stupid, messy, and bizarrely hard to hate.

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Shit, that pretty much describes my experience with this game. The past Drakengard titles have actually had great stories set in a dark, grim fantasy world with moments that have really moved me. Drakengard 3 is just one joke after another. It's not even trying, and I hated it for that, but goddammit, I laughed a lot.

Combat is also pretty fun, even if the frame-rate slows to a crawl sometimes and if you summon the dragon to rain fire down from above you can pretty much forget about moving around because of how choppy everything gets, but then the way she kind of soft-locks onto enemies is extremely frustrating. It feels like Dynasty Warriors, but not quite.

Zero herself is pretty amazing though. She's so absurd and single-minded and unlike any female character I've seen in a game before that I was actually pretty endeared towards her. I want to hate this game for the mockery it's made of a series I hold fond memories of, but it's kind of hard to not like it. Kind of like Deadly Premonition - I have every reason to dislike that game but I don't. How does Access Games keep doing this?

anthony87:
So it's insane...but is it bleak?

By the end of the first Drakengard I was wondering if I'd ever smile again....

It's fairly upbeat, or as upbeat as a story about a goddess setting off to kill her sisters can be. I mean, it's pretty bleak when you consider what's happening, but the game doesn't take itself seriously at all. No where near as gritty as the previous installments.

Drakengard games tend to be pretty unique. There's a reason the series has such a strong fanbase, even though the gameplay tend to be less than stellar, and in the case of the first one, even downright clunky.

I don't know about you perhaps deceiving yourself (and potentially others) about the gender politics on offer here. It's not against the law to enjoy something that's problematic, but IMO this game is one of the worst I've personally seen on this front. I got the impression the writer had some quite serious unresolved issues with women, showing up indirectly in this game.

I don't think it understands female sexuality or effectively separates the women's portrayals from a male perspective. Zero's relationship with her dragon arguably classifies her as an abusive mother (it did so with me at least). Five gets the most trigger-tastic death (sprinkled with tasteless jokes) as punishment for little more than existing as a false and obnoxious anime stereotype of a 'slutty' woman. Zero is then pretty much like New 52 Starfire, only it's rarely brought up or directly referred to by her, I presumed to distance her from Five; and I think Dito is basically Elliot Rodger portrayed as a winner who has no troubles with female attention.

Khanht Cope:
I don't know about you deceiving yourself (and potentially others) about the gender politics on offer here. It's not against the law to enjoy something that's problematic, but IMO this games is one of the worst I've seen on this front. I got the impression the writer had some quite serious unresolved issues with women, showing up indirectly in this game.

I don't think it understands female sexuality or effectively separates the women's portrayals from a male perspective. Zero's relationship with her dragon arguably classifies her as an abusive mother (it did so with me at least). Five gets the most trigger-tastic death as punishment for little more than existing as a false and obnoxious stereotype of a 'slutty' woman. Zero is then pretty much like New 52 Starfire, only it's rarely brought up or directly referred to by her, I presumed to distance her from Five; and I think Dito is basically Elliot Rodger portrayed as a winner who has no troubles with female attention.

Zero does not represent women's sexuality. She doesn't represent anything but herself. Zero is batshit and singular.

I'm SO waiting for TheDarkId to let's play this thing.

Tell that to Jim.

Sheo_Dagana:
Kind of like Deadly Premonition - I have every reason to dislike that game but I don't. How does Access Games keep doing this?

It's important to note that while Access Games is the developer, Drakengard 3 isn't necessarily the guys who made Deadly Premonition taking a stab at a Drakengard game. Drakengard 3 was made by almost the entire team that worked on Drakengard 1 and Nier, people who didn't have a "home" when Cavia was assimilated and closed down. They wanted to make another Drakengard game, and recognized that they weren't too talented with the PS2 hardware back then (and had a hell of a time with 360/PS3 with Nier) and needed help.

The hilarity here is that they went to Access to do it with them because Deadly Premoniton was apparently a sign that Access was skilled with fast-paced combat, action, and programming, and that Access contains some members who left Kojima's team at various points.

I get the impression that these guys are writers and visionaries, unable to work on a technical level with things like the UE3 engine or the PS3 hardware without help; It feels a lot like the work Suda 51 has done in that regard.

I think it's absolutely amazing that Square-Enix was willing at all to bankroll it at all (especially to release it in the west), so I can't fault them for not providing more resources and technical help to actually have it play better and maintain a more stable framerate. Either way, this team and the Drakengard/Nier name have a nice cult following in Japan, and they do well enough over there. I'm glad we get a chance to experience it, and at the end of the day it's probably for the best that it has a charming brokenness to it a la Deadly Premonition.

I loved Drakengard and Nier (didn't get to play Drakengard 2), and I can't wait for this to come in the mail.

Yeah, this is roughly the same way I felt about the game. It's objectively horrible but goddamn if I didn't love it.

Despite the negativity some people have expressed towards the final boss and ending, it really was the perfect way to end the game: it pulls together this entire crazy, disjointed experience into something beautiful. I mean, I hated it, but at the same time, I loved how much I hated it.

Drakengard 3 actually got a review on the escapist? WHAT SORCERY IS THIS!?

Huh, guess all my whining about it finally paid off...

Anyway, glad to hear this game isn't another Drakengard 2 but ends up following more of the initial game. Now, all I gotta do is go and buy it.

InsanityRequiem:
Don't forget Jim, this game is part of a series where the first game has a child molester/pedophile and a crazy baby eater as characters. Protagonist characters at that. So I'm not surprised about this game having a messed up main character.

And incest. Caim and his sister were getting it on.

I think all three were downplayed in the West, but yeah.

The story was screwed up. The characters were screwed up. The protagonists were screwed up. It was a strange game, and that's what kept me going. It's a shame the gameplay was boring and tedious. And that's from someone who's played most of the Koei Warriors titles.

Khanht Cope:
I don't know about you perhaps deceiving yourself (and potentially others) about the gender politics on offer here. It's not against the law to enjoy something that's problematic, but IMO this game is one of the worst I've personally seen on this front. I got the impression the writer had some quite serious unresolved issues with women, showing up indirectly in this game.

So....Business as usual? I mean, developers with women issues seems to be pretty common.

Anyway, I don't know from gender politics, but it's fairly common to rationalise thing you like as "not sexist." I don't know enough about the context here, but this certainly sounds like the same old song and dance.

anthony87:
So it's insane...but is it bleak?

By the end of the first Drakengard I was wondering if I'd ever smile again....

Depends, while the general story is fairly upbeat with the characters cracking jokes at each other at a very frequent pace, alongside some fourth wall breaking humor at times, the endings tend to be anything but upbeat. Even the happiest ending in the game, the final one, is an extremely bittersweet ending. It's not like Drakengard 2 where the happiest ending is a "everyone lives happily ever after" type of ending, which makes sense considering the people who worked on this game's story worked on both Nier's and drakengard 1's stories as well.

RealRT:
I'm SO waiting for TheDarkId to let's play this thing.

Hell Yes to this! I just finished his Drakengard 1 LP and may do the 2nd one soon. Hopefully I'll finish in time for the three month period to be up.

Zachary Amaranth:

And incest. Caim and his sister were getting it on.

His sister wanted him but when the secret came out, Caim did not react to well to it, especially when you take her reaction into account.

Sounds kind of interesting by the way you described it. Still, it looks kind of boring.

Hmmm, well I've never been a huge fan of "Dynasty Warriors" games (which this is compared to), but I did kind of like "Deadly Premonition". Maybe at some point I'll get a chance to play this, but I've pretty much retired my PS-3 for a PS-4 (lack of foresight on my part) which I rarely use (indeed I probably should have gotten Watch Dogs for it, but I prefer playing on my PC, especially nowadays).

To be honest it sounds like someone came up with a different take on the "play as the villain" thing than we've traditionally seen where it's mostly been cartoony (Overlord) or humorous sim/Strategy games (Dungeon Keeper, Dungeons, Evil Genius, etc...).

From what I've heard of the series, it seems like their problem might be that they need a budget. Maybe if this game does well the next one will take some inspiration from Dark Souls, using a similar system, but changing the difficulty for high octane action.

I also must admit the flower in her eye is an interesting choice, I've seen a lot of weird things done for characters, but that's the first time I've seen something like that.

Therumancer:
To be honest it sounds like someone came up with a different take on the "play as the villain" thing than we've traditionally seen where it's mostly been cartoony (Overlord) or humorous sim/Strategy games (Dungeon Keeper, Dungeons, Evil Genius, etc...).

What about Legacy of Kain? Kain saves the world to take it over himself and Raziel fucks up everything he touches.

RealRT:

Therumancer:
To be honest it sounds like someone came up with a different take on the "play as the villain" thing than we've traditionally seen where it's mostly been cartoony (Overlord) or humorous sim/Strategy games (Dungeon Keeper, Dungeons, Evil Genius, etc...).

What about Legacy of Kain? Kain saves the world to take it over himself and Raziel fucks up everything he touches.

To be fair I only played the first "Legacy Of Kain" a long time ago, and I seem to remember you had a choice of whether to sacrifice yourself and save the world or rule it. I suppose since the series continued (making the ruling ending canon) your right, I didn't think of this series though.

Of course perspective matters as well, I have no idea where the other games in the series went, but Kain was originally fighting things so much worse than himself, and the bad guys were destroying the world as they had become corrupted and were tied to it. Originally I saw him as more of an anti-hero than a villain per se. I know very little about Raziel overall.

Therumancer:

RealRT:

Therumancer:
To be honest it sounds like someone came up with a different take on the "play as the villain" thing than we've traditionally seen where it's mostly been cartoony (Overlord) or humorous sim/Strategy games (Dungeon Keeper, Dungeons, Evil Genius, etc...).

What about Legacy of Kain? Kain saves the world to take it over himself and Raziel fucks up everything he touches.

To be fair I only played the first "Legacy Of Kain" a long time ago, and I seem to remember you had a choice of whether to sacrifice yourself and save the world or rule it. I suppose since the series continued (making the ruling ending canon) your right, I didn't think of this series though.

Of course perspective matters as well, I have no idea where the other games in the series went, but Kain was originally fighting things so much worse than himself, and the bad guys were destroying the world as they had become corrupted and were tied to it. Originally I saw him as more of an anti-hero than a villain per se. I know very little about Raziel overall.

Kain serves as a villain in Soul Reaver (the two Soul Reaver games star Raziel), a mentor/manipulator in Soul Reaver 2, in Blood Omen 2 he wanted to take over the world way before he knew that the opposing side were much worse than him and in Defiance he, once again, wants to save the world so he can rule it. Raziel, while well-meaning, manages to play into villains' hands multiple times and is pretty self-righteous. They do dance on the line between a villain and anti-hero, but that line's blurry as hell.

Why does she have a flower in her eye?

It looks ridiculous.

karma9308:
[quote="RealRT" post="6.851152.21045098"]I'm SO waiting for TheDarkId to let's play this thing.

Hell Yes to this! I just finished his Drakengard 1 LP and may do the 2nd one soon. Hopefully I'll finish in time for the three month period to be up.

Thirded. I love that guy's Let's Plays, and I'm glad he's coming out of retirement to LP this. Hopefully this game won't be as bleak as the last two plus Nier. Even with TheDarkId's snark it was kinda depressing...

It's part of the story, and Kinda do want to mention the flower for a eye knocks a lot of the sexy factor for her down a lot ;p.

But ya the story is as far messed up and all over to not really telling you why she wants to and does the things she to or at least most of the whole thing till near the end.

7/10 and is good score for this game and if you want one hell of a ride of crazy this game is awesome. But just know Cavia is a huge friggen troll and that final boss OMG RAGE!!!!!!

But anyway as her own, Zero is a really good character.

Question! This game sounds pretty fun and I'd might check it out sometime. But will I be missing anything if I haven't played the previous games in the series?

I saw the cover and similar art around the gam, not that the game actually LOOKS like the artwork itself, and became one of those titles in the back of my mind that I would play if it were to pop up on PS+ or something.

But from the review on its story and characters and its gameplay not being a turn based RPG thing I might just have to pick it up.... at some point later.

Drummodino:
Question! This game sounds pretty fun and I'd might check it out sometime. But will I be missing anything if I haven't played the previous games in the series?

It's a prequel in the series time line so no.

Somewhat related question.

If I played Nier, would the experience be better if I played Drakengard first?

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