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Wunderpants - Wonder Woman's New Clothes

MovieBob addresses the rumors about Wonder Woman's possible outfit in the upcoming Batman v. Superman film.

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I actually liked the stupid jacket. >.>

I liked thejacket as well. I liked that whole costume.

I don't think the movie title phahaha will work as well as Warfighter phahaha!

But isn't Wonder Woman's flesh showing part of her story or something like that? I mean she's Wonder Woman, it shouldn't matter if you can see her legs in their entirety.

Captcha: It's super effective.
No, I disagree.

Bob sez, "Jacket off".

...Wait, that came out wrong.

I agree with you, Bob. But I do think pants means there one step in the right direction in making Diana into a character.

hmm. Is emphasis of sexuality pro-feminism or sexist? Gauh I don't know. It's so personal. For me I lean towards de-emphasis and blurring the lines of the sex's. In other words putting a woman in a military uniform doesn't make her more manly it just makes everyone more the same.

When I think about it no matter how hard I try I can't take power girl seriously. She'll always just be a set of boobs. Wonderman gets a break because she's just like this mom character. It's hard for me to see her as a sex object. Again this is all personal eye of the beholder stuff.

I prefer Wonderman in a suit. It's just more logical. I know she isn't really affected by weather but I just don't know any girls who spend all day like that so she doesn't relate like that anymore.

I also like the jacket.

Fun Fact: "Gal Gadot" means "Wave Banks" in hebrew :P

I long ago stopped getting into these kinds of discussions when I realised that, at one time or another, every single aspect of characters like this is going to be criticised or picked apart one way or the other, regardless of whatever counterpoint we're going to have to say on the matter. And WW's costume will be no exception to the rule.

This character's appearance is going to be ridiculed by someone whichever direction they go, so they might as well just pick a direction and stick with it, knwoing that it'll be no more or less disliked than the other direction.

As for the film itself, I can't really say that I'm too excited about it. While the idea of seeing all of DC's big names on the big screen has it's appeal, I long ago resigned myself to the idea that (in Bob's own words) Warner Bros is just bad at making superhero movies that aren't entirely about Batman.

As such, I'm not expecting this version of WW to be that interesting, regardless of her costume choice, especially since my personal definitive version of her character was already done over a decade ago by Bruce Timm and his team.

Add a +1 from me about liking that jacket, it looks pretty cool.

I always thought that pants were better for live-action stuff because they look better; the traditional... underwear? one-piece? always seems like it either sags or gets pulled in uncomfortable ways when put on real people, rather than drawn on (like a lot of costumes that look best when the media allows them to be as the designer imagined, rather than as reality dictates).

In the case of wonder-woman her overt sexuality shouldn't be an issue if they stay true to her origins. As in she comes from a matriarchal amazonian island of warrior lesbians. "Female sexuality as power" works if it's done right. Not power over men or anything like that, just strength and aptitude. That was kind of the point of wonder woman, she is completely in charge of everything about her. She doesn't have to wear sensible clothing because she's wonder woman.

At this point I just want them to make a damn good movie that is actually going to be taken seriously by these film makers and not just made to be another soulless cash in. If they want to give Wonder Woman pants I really don't give a damn but man, there really is something to her original costume that is so Iconic (just like how Superman's original costume is, bulge and all) and would hate to see it go because of just "skin". Now if they give her pants and still don't give her any meaningful characterization then I am just about ready to bury my head in the sand and cry because it this was all just a waste of time anyway.

Because I don't know, what are all those animated clips from? They look really, really good.

Can I just say that the cartoon Justice League and its ilk are far in a million times better than almost every single super hero film to date.

I will even go as far as to say that the cartoon Avengers series is miles above its movie counterpart, no matter how good the Avengers movie was.

Ok back to the topic at hand, cant really say I am all that bothered. The jacket look, looks trendy at most but I get what Bob is going for , The leggings version just doesn't make her seem like a Amazon goddess, and the swim suit costume is my favorite cause I am a guy and yeah she just looks bad ass in it. Her legs as much as it makes me sound sexist is a focal point for the character. Bat man is black, superman has underwear on the outside and women wonder has wonder legs. Notice how the movie where superman didn't have his underwear on the outside sucked ass? Coincidence?

I would like to point out that I think the X Men have for a long time got this whole costume thing right. Everyone has a 1 size fits all same style costume and what attracts you to them is their powers( NOOO don't bring that Jubilee crap around here I don't have time to say how that character just doesn't work in any sense).

Gabbit has flaming stuff, cyclops shoots lazors and even Storm is frikken awesome cause she fires heaven smiting lightning from her hands not because her outfit looks like power girl.

I find those "Is the design of *insert random female character* sexist or empowering?" discussions mighty confusing a lot of the time. Like, I understand that having female characters who only have sex appeal going for them is something that bothers people; but at the same time you have characters like Bayonetta who are praised for how sexualized they are because there it's supposedly "ironic" or "empowering".

I have less to say about her outfit as the woman playing her. Gal Godat just isn't a charismatic or skilled actor and her build is way too skinny. Yeah, I've gotten the argument that she can spend a few months in a gym, but there are scores of actually skilled actors with a more imposing build that would make better choices for WW (and I know they auditioned, who wouldn't?). But DC/WB remains the weak-willed, limp-wristed cowards they've always been, terrified of losing box office numbers because WW didn't thrust out her hips enough and/or is too physically imposing for the crowds of 16-something male audience-goers who need -4 Str submissive sex objects to be secure in their masculinity. And if you don't believe me read anything Frank Miller ever wrote about Wonder Woman, it's the most disgustingly sexist garbage I've seen in comic books since Women in Refrigerators became a recognized thing.

Fuck. Put Eva Green in the role. We've seen her play a sword-slinging Greek before and it left just the right amount of charismatic self-confidence and implied dominatrix-y female-dominant authority that MovieBob seems to insist WW has (not sure how he's reading that but hey, some people wear their less-than-subtle fantasies on their sleeves). She doesn't have the right build, but she has got buckets of charisma, and when you can ACT like you've got the physique of superhuman near-goddess, you don't need to actually have it.

Scrumpmonkey:
In the case of wonder-woman her overt sexuality shouldn't be an issue if they stay true to her origins. As in she comes from a matriarchal amazonian island of warrior lesbians. "Female sexuality as power" works if it's done right. Not power over men or anything like that, just strength and aptitude. That was kind of the point of wonder woman, she is completely in charge of everything about her. She doesn't have to wear sensible clothing because she's wonder woman.

This. Exactly this. I think Bob covered that in a previous episode? Anyway, whatever, can we just have her wearing the same thing as the old Lynda Carter TV show? It's iconic, not overly sexualized (I mean, seriously, look at it. It was on regular TV in the mid 70's). I always thought, if anything, she was WAY more attractive in her navy uniform.

Nooners:
Because I don't know, what are all those animated clips from? They look really, really good.

Awesome cartoons....Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

Nooners:
Because I don't know, what are all those animated clips from? They look really, really good.

They are from.

Wonder Women
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman_(2009_film)

Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League:_Crisis_on_Two_Earths

Superman/Batman: Apocalypse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman/Batman:_Apocalypse

There you go.

Coreless:

Nooners:
Because I don't know, what are all those animated clips from? They look really, really good.

Awesome cartoons....Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

Nope, they're from the 2009 Wonder Woman film.

EDIT: And these

Uriel_Hayabusa:
I find those "Is the design of *insert random female character* sexist or empowering?" discussions mighty confusing a lot of the time. Like, I understand that having female characters who only have sex appeal going for them is something that bothers people; but at the same time you have characters like Bayonetta who are praised for how sexualized they are because there it's supposedly "ironic" or "empowering".

Comic is dominated by males. De-emphasizing erection fodder is a sign, if not a succes in and of itself, women are not actively being pushed away. See also the not far away starfire hubub and the whole "Hark a Vagrant" comic. Presentation helps loads to not make the picture of a female feel like an attack on females. Whereas actual women are making a decision about themselves however they choose to dress female figures of animation and male dominated venues are "guilty" until proven innoecent.

King Whurdler:
[quote="Coreless" post="6.851660.21055653"][quote="Nooners" post="6.851660.21055635"]Because I don't know, what are all those animated clips from? They look really, really good.

Awesome cartoons....Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

Nope, they're from the 2009 Wonder Woman film.

Ah I see, thanks for the heads up. I need to catch up on my DC movie/cartoon viewing.

SnakeoilSage:
implied dominatrix-y female-dominant authority that MovieBob seems to insist WW has (not sure how he's reading that but hey, some people wear their less-than-subtle fantasies on their sleeves).

Because she literally ties people up, and the immortal women of her homeland do it to eachother for kicks is probably where he got it.

Agree with you on terrible casting and think Wonder Woman deserves someone a lot heavier, both physically and charismatically.

Also, Bob is (as usual) wrong about the 90's - the jacket look is almost never a bad idea.

Its as if no matter what happens someone will always complain and get some smart sounding arguments with a lot of nouns and adjectives while putting fuck all effort into seeing it from the other perspective.

I can just imagine that even if the character originally had pants and now they were taking them off we would be in this exact same situation discussing that for some reason it got worse.

I don't really do comics so my opinion here is probably not really worth considering but I like both costumes. I also think the blue jacket accents the rest of the costume well. The pants and jacket additions sort of make sense to me. Themyscira, based on my google image search, is situated in an area that supports tropical life - meaning the climate is generally warm to hot. Her original skirt/whatever you'd like to call it costume fits here because wearing covering clothing in these areas is a good way to have a miserable, sweaty life. Now that she's in North America (and, for all intents and purposes, near the New England area), she'll have to adapt to the much more mild weather. Long pants and a thick jacket may not be the most flexible fighting wear in the world, but they're certainly a bit warmer. Hypothermia's no joke.

(Also: what toon was Bob showing during the video? That looks pretty worth watching.)

If pants will suddenly transform wonderwoman into a cool or interesting character then I'm all for it [/sarcasm]

Boomerang tiara, lasso, bullet proof bracelets, invisible jet? HAH, hah hah hah.

Please let a better female take the stage. How she has somehow become the icon for women in comics is astounding to me. Just as sexualized as the other females while being less interesting having a highly eroticized past shouldn't make her an icon for anything other than the bondage niche.

I don't know, the entire DC cinema thing hasn't connected with me at all, and I find it hard to get even remotely invested in it.

And while I'm rather interested in all those gender based discussions, they really never go anywhere, because if they could, the discussion would be over. And those discussions never end.

I don't see the problem with the jacket. If anything it makes sense so she can just wander around normal society without being stopped every five seconds for people to gawk at her and say "YOU'RE WONDER WOMAN!" Plus, if it has pockets, she can actually carry stuff with her rather than... well... not. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the old costume (other than it really offers the same level of protection as traditional women-specific armor in say D&D or the average anime). But there's nothing really wrong with a jacket or pants or both. This really seems like you're making a mountain out of a molehill here bob.

The red, white and blue always bugged me more then the lack of pants, I'd like to see Wonder Woman's costume own up to her heritage as an amazon warrior give her some armor with emblems of her gods not a patriotic swimsuit.

Also I like the jacket though she doesn't wear it as well as Rogue.

Pants, skirt, leggings or just that, I dunno, underwear? None of it really matters to me. What I care about is whether or not the character of Diana is portrayed in a way that shows WHY she's indispensable (not just valuable) to the JL and how she is different than both Supes and the Bat. Diana's personality and the decisions she makes are what's going to determine whether or not she's being "done right," not how much of her legs/cleavage you can see.

On a personal aesthetic level? The skirt only works if it's a pteryges in my opinion but pants/short-shorts both look fine, though the latter only with those tall boots of course.

The thing about the jacket is "why?". And the answer is - they couldn't really give her a cape. I don't know why, but capes are really stupid for many characters, and they didn't want to give her one. The jacket is a surrogate for that kind of costume accessory.

Also, it has pockets. Pockets are more important than you'd think, I'd hate to go without mine for a week.

Piorn:
I don't know, the entire DC cinema thing hasn't connected with me at all, and I find it hard to get even remotely invested in it.

These are paragons. The whole reason why the Marvel Universe is catching on so well is that the characters are deeply flawed and human. This is why things like Mark Miller's Batman caught on but superman keeps struggling. Human/flawed is what we connect with. They've tried to humanize them a little bit but have gone full emo or other directions that just makes it weird.

The Jacket was/is Stupid.

I prefer the war skirt TBH.

Daniel Janhagen:
Agree with you on terrible casting and think Wonder Woman deserves someone a lot heavier, both physically and charismatically.

Also, Bob is (as usual) wrong about the 90's - the jacket look is almost never a bad idea.

I don't know anything about the casting beyond the photo included in this video, but I'd agree that a physically stronger actress would be fun. It's a shame Olga Kurkulina (see: Mother Russia from Kickass 2) isn't younger and a brunette.

And I will not only defend the jacket, I'm going to defend the title of the movie. Seriously, is "Dawn of Justice" really that much worse than anything else to come out of the hokey comic titles of yor? We have a character literally named "Batman." That's not a super hero, it's a Universal Studios Monster. Not to mention, from a marketing standpoint it's genius. How many times has it been mentioned since being announced, in Bob's own show even? Furthermore, it does what a title is supposed to do: Describe the action.

OT: Pants, no pants, nude, I'm probably going to ignore the film because Wonder Woman's fatal flaw is that she is a superhero. She's boring because she is not only guaranteed to survive, but to win, and be beautiful while doing it.

Personally, I really like the pants and stupid jacket look. I don't think it makes her less appealing. For me, it actually makes her character a bit more attractive, more subtle.

That's not to say I think there's anything wrong with a leotard look. I think Power Girl's look is just fine, despite the "window." The current depiction of Ms. Marvel is fantastic.

However, Wonder Woman's traditional outfit just mostly likes kinda silly. Overdone and absurd. The giant tiara (bleh), the birdwingboobs and of course, the "'Murica Stars" leotard bottom that looks like bikini underwear that would be worn by Stan from American Dad. Awful.

Honestly, I couldn't really care less which way they go, but I'm hardly going to be upset if Wonder Woman ends up wearing something that the average person wouldn't be embarrassed to leave the house in.

Personally, I'm with Lightknight above. I've always found Wonder Woman to be Queen Bland of the Vanillalanders. She's a fitting match for Superman. DC's problem has always been that their characters have been about as dull as dishwater.

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