Escape to the Movies: How to Train Your Dragon 2 - Dragon Training Pays Off

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How to Train Your Dragon 2 - Dragon Training Pays Off

Dragon training never looked so cool in this review with some possible spoilers.

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Thanks for the recommendation, Bob. I'll be sure to see it when I can.

Once again you're encouraging us to just not see your video's. Now literally when you said "just go see it" instead of watching your review. How about you slap on a quick, one-minute review in front of the spoiler-parts where you discuss things more broadly before delving in to the specifics. Any half-decent reviewer should know how to do it, and you've been around so long you've probably passed half-decent a while ago. I'm positive you'll be able to do it.

A not-awful feeling about a Transformers movie by Bob???

What world am I living in??????

Buddy, you're just setting yourself up to be let down putting ANY amount of hope in it. Keep the reserved standoffish approach. Then if it doesn't suck, you win. But if it blows, you've lost nothing. Letting yourself hope is foolhardy. At least in the Transformers movies and anything even tangentially Bay related.

...and in that one scene, with mascots from four different video game companies throwing down in Smash 4, Nintendo won E3. That is...if there was any sign of third party support for the WiiU, they would have DEFINITELY won E3.

I have to admit, I also like the undertone of the mains having disabilities yet working through them was if they weren't an issue. (And working through them LIKE A BAWS in Hiccup's case.) Definitely a positive message there.

It also seems you're not the only one who liked this, Bob. Minneapolis Star Tribune gave this 4 stars (out of 4) and was praising the heck out of it! I'll have to see what the St. Paul Pioneer Press says when I get it later.

Transformers age of extinction can be the worst Transformers film ever (it won't be as no Shia LaBeouf) and I will see it just for that 3 minute scene of Optimus riding Grimlock and smashing Decepticons it's easily worth the 4.50 my local cinema charges.

I went to see HTTYD the first week it was in the theater, and my immediate thought upon leaving was "I cannot wait for the sequel!" As a reminder, it released in March 2010, over four years ago. Between the timespan and the subsequent animated series, I'd all but given up hope of a legitimate sequel - and at the same time, concern that if we did get one, it would end up being execrable pop-culture garbage a la Shrek.
So yeah... not only do we get a real sequel, but it's good? And does unexpected things with the story?
Hell yes. Now if only I could afford to go to the movies right now...

PS: Bob, just give up now. Spoiler warning if you have to, but don't waste the first minute of your review trying to defend the decision. Besides, if the trailers give away a plot twist, it can't really be considered a spoiler at that point.

Ronack:
Once again you're encouraging us to just not see your video's. Now literally when you said "just go see it" instead of watching your review. How about you slap on a quick, one-minute review in front of the spoiler-parts where you discuss things more broadly before delving in to the specifics. Any half-decent reviewer should know how to do it, and you've been around so long you've probably passed half-decent a while ago. I'm positive you'll be able to do it.

Well the only spoiler he really had was the one given in the announcement trailer. I get some people don't want to know ANYTHING about a movie before they go to see it, but why would they watch a review then?

True, Bob has done what you suggested before, but in this case it's not necessary.
Also, as he said, to make the review interesting he sometimes has to spoil some of the movie.
Honestly, some have been dogging Bob pretty hard recently about the spoilers, and while it would be nice for him to compensate for them, at a certain point they become a bit too demanding.

Anyway, loved the first one, will probably love this one too. :)
Hope it does very well.

Karma is such a bitch. It seems that the universe really does try to keep things in balance. I love that here in the UK we get new Marvel movies weeks before the US (mainly because it was always the other way around) but this movie, a movie I have been looking forward to more than any other movie this year (even more so than Cap America 2) is not relesed here for another month!

Still nice to know it is good at least.

Huh. This sounds more interesting than I would have thought.

I struggled with the first one primarily because all of the younger character spoke and acted like modern kids to the point I expected one of them to see something amazing and then say 'Hold on I have to tweet about this.' Maybe it wasn't a problem for anyone except me, but it really bugged me during the first movie. No, I didn't expect them to look and act like realistic Vikings but can we pull it back just a tad?

On the spoiler issue, some reviewers feel the need to go into the entire movie in detail to tell you whether or not they felt a movie was worth watching. That's offputting (to say the least) to me since I do, normally, want to enjoy the story without knowing what's around the next corner. So I appreciate being told if there's going to be spoilers in the review. Note: IMHO MovieBob as a rule isn't guilty of this, and the times he has felt the need to really walk through the full movie he warns you plenty ahead of time in his video.

Ronack:
Once again you're encouraging us to just not see your video's. Now literally when you said "just go see it" instead of watching your review. How about you slap on a quick, one-minute review in front of the spoiler-parts where you discuss things more broadly before delving in to the specifics. Any half-decent reviewer should know how to do it, and you've been around so long you've probably passed half-decent a while ago. I'm positive you'll be able to do it.

Maybe your inability to see past the spoiler warning box also caused you not to listen to the intro of the episode. He does not just make videos to say that a movie is good or bad. That's subjective. He discusses movies. And sometimes that will include pieces of the movie that you don't want to hear about. If you don't want to discuss parts of the movie that you do not want to hear about, please stop coming to this forum to complain about it. It's getting rather annoying.

The rest of us will be quite happy hearing what he has to say about the movies and discussing them..

I was kind of expecting Bob to review 22 Jump Street today, but this is a good one. Sound like I got some catching up to do with the first one! Lately I've been watching less animated movies (stupid growing up). Is the animated series, Riders of Berk, any good?

Merklyn236:
Huh. This sounds more interesting than I would have thought.

I struggled with the first one primarily because all of the younger character spoke and acted like modern kids to the point I expected one of them to see something amazing and then say 'Hold on I have to tweet about this.' Maybe it wasn't a problem for anyone except me, but it really bugged me during the first movie. No, I didn't expect them to look and act like realistic Vikings but can we pull it back just a tad?

On the spoiler issue, some reviewers feel the need to go into the entire movie in detail to tell you whether or not they felt a movie was worth watching. That's offputting (to say the least) to me since I do, normally, want to enjoy the story without knowing what's around the next corner. So I appreciate being told if there's going to be spoilers in the review. Note: IMHO MovieBob as a rule isn't guilty of this, and the times he has felt the need to really walk through the full movie he warns you plenty ahead of time in his video.

Okay, let me give you my personal recommendation: there are revelations to be had and expands on the concepts introduced in the first movie (like any good sequel should), but they're done in a refined and meaningful way. It's always awesome to see action sequences that aren't afraid of using vibrant and vivid primary colors. It's so cool to see how the writers and designers of this movie not only didn't give up on Hiccup's facet of engineering that was fun to see from the first one, they've totally embraced it. It's awesome to see the renderings of all the tools and structures and dragon-human interfaces used in a dragon-integrated Berk: they're impressive from a design standpoint as much as the dragons themselves are impressive from an artistic standpoint.

As far as the story goes, it's functional. There are no plot-holes, or any dire story/character threads that go carelessly overlooked. It's enjoyable, yes, but what sends it over the top is how beautifully animated it all is, and isn't that just why we decide to tell a story with the animation medium? It's a success on DreamWorks' part.

The only snag I can attribute to this movie is that you see the first movie beforehand. It's not totally necessary to understand 2's story, but the first movie introduces the secondary characters much better.

#betterthanmoviebobatwritinganonspoilerreview

So Bob's argument for giving away spoilers is because there's nothing interesting to talk about? What a lame and lazy excuse. See also: Film Crit Hulk's piece on writing reviews without spoiling (and also about Iron Man 3's reviews):

Film Crit Hulk:
HECK, EVEN SAYING THE WORD "TWIST" SETS UP A DRAMATIC EXPECTATION THAT RENDERS THE AFFECTATION OF SURPRISE MEANINGLESS. YOU DON'T TELL SOMEONE THERE'S GOING TO BE A SURPRISE PARTY REGARDLESS IF YOU LEAVE OUT THE SPECIFICS. AND THIS WHOLE ONE-SIDED CONVERSATION THING IS NOT JUST ABOUT MODERN SPOILER-PHOBIA, BUT OFTEN REFLECTS A COMPLETE MISUNDERSTANDING THAT, AS A CRITIC, YOU JUST EXPERIENCE MOVIES IN A RADICALLY DIFFERENT CONTEXT FROM THOSE WHO READ YOUR REVIEWS...A REVIEW SHOULD ONLY OFFER THE THINGS THAT WILL BEST HELP A PROSPECTIVE AUDIENCE MEMBER WATCH AND ENJOY THE MOVIE. YOU ARE ONLY THERE TO HELP. AND IN HULK'S MIND, IF THE READER HAS NOT SEEN THE MOVIE YET THAT MEANS NOT MENTIONING THE PLOT WHATSOEVER OR EVEN REALLY EVALUATING THE MOVIE BEYOND SIMPLE RECOMMENDATION. INSTEAD, THE REAL DETAILS GIVEN SHOULD ONLY ABOUT PUTTING THE READER IN THE FRAME OF MIND TO BEST ENJOY. AND SOMETIMES THAT MEANS THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO FOR THEIR ENJOYMENT IS GIVE A SENSE OF CONCEPTUAL UNDERSTANDING TO THE MECHANISMS BEHIND THE MOVIE.

Part 1 had some good stuff, largely ticked me off that you still had a really big, really bad monster to deal with. Back then Hiccup should have learned that you can't negotiate with some people.

I can't believe you think Transformers will not be awful! I enjoyed looking at part 3 on Bluray, but man, I had to shut my brain off. Just terrible.

That image of Pac-Man, MegaMan, Sonic and Mario in one game made me cry a little.

This movie looks good, I'll go see it.

Makabriel:

Ronack:
Once again you're encouraging us to just not see your video's. Now literally when you said "just go see it" instead of watching your review. How about you slap on a quick, one-minute review in front of the spoiler-parts where you discuss things more broadly before delving in to the specifics. Any half-decent reviewer should know how to do it, and you've been around so long you've probably passed half-decent a while ago. I'm positive you'll be able to do it.

Maybe your inability to see past the spoiler warning box also caused you not to listen to the intro of the episode. He does not just make videos to say that a movie is good or bad. That's subjective. He discusses movies. And sometimes that will include pieces of the movie that you don't want to hear about. If you don't want to discuss parts of the movie that you do not want to hear about, please stop coming to this forum to complain about it. It's getting rather annoying.

The rest of us will be quite happy hearing what he has to say about the movies and discussing them..

Review =/= analysis

Grenge Di Origin:

So Bob's argument for giving away spoilers is because there's nothing interesting to talk about? What a lame and lazy excuse. See also: Film Crit Hulk's piece on writing reviews without spoiling (and also about Iron Man 3's reviews):

Film Crit Hulk:
HECK, EVEN SAYING THE WORD "TWIST" SETS UP A DRAMATIC EXPECTATION THAT RENDERS THE AFFECTATION OF SURPRISE MEANINGLESS. YOU DON'T TELL SOMEONE THERE'S GOING TO BE A SURPRISE PARTY REGARDLESS IF YOU LEAVE OUT THE SPECIFICS.

I'll stop this rant right there. You are opening the review expecting someone to say SOMETHING about the movie. Using this analogy, this is akin to asking someone if there is going to be a party. The sheer fact that you brought it up means you are looking for information. It's your own fault if you get annoyed that someone has spoiled the fact that there is actually a party.

Ronack:

Review =/= analysis

Semantics. The first line in Bob's profile is that he is a film critic. To establish a proper critique, you must be able to discuss the content.

Captcha: mum's the word. *chuckle* Even the bot prevention program has to get their jab in!!

saw it last night and it may well be the best movie ive seen all year, at the very least its tied with winter solder.

go see this movie if you haven't its worth the money.

"A film critic is not a consumer reporter."

Which is fine, if the job you're doing at the time is being a critic rather than a reviewer. There's a reason this show is marketed as a movie review, and Bob's other show is marketed as more of a critical analysis/"say something interesting" show. A person looks up a movie review for a movie they are partially interested in for the purpose of saying (at least in large part) "should I actually see this movie, is it worth my time and money."

"If your only question is 'is this movie good' go see it."

And with an unlimited amount of time and money, I probably would. But as I have neither unlimited time nor unlimited money, I rely in part on watching reviews to figure out what movies would be worth my time and money.

You can argue that what he's doing is more analysis than review, but I'm about 90% certain that the tags for these videos include "review" and not "says something interesting about it."

Makabriel:

Grenge Di Origin:

So Bob's argument for giving away spoilers is because there's nothing interesting to talk about? What a lame and lazy excuse. See also: Film Crit Hulk's piece on writing reviews without spoiling (and also about Iron Man 3's reviews):

Film Crit Hulk:
HECK, EVEN SAYING THE WORD "TWIST" SETS UP A DRAMATIC EXPECTATION THAT RENDERS THE AFFECTATION OF SURPRISE MEANINGLESS. YOU DON'T TELL SOMEONE THERE'S GOING TO BE A SURPRISE PARTY REGARDLESS IF YOU LEAVE OUT THE SPECIFICS.

I'll stop this rant right there. You are opening the review expecting someone to say SOMETHING about the movie.

Have you even seen the first half of my post? If you've actually seen How to Train Your Dragon 2, my praise of it had nothing to do with the film's plot or the details within.

Using this analogy, this is akin to asking someone if there is going to be a party. The sheer fact that you brought it up means you are looking for information. It's your own fault if you get annoyed that someone has spoiled the fact that there is actually a party.

So let me get this straight: you're comparing someone looking up a film review is akin to asking if there's a big plot twist? If that's the case, then no, asking someone to tell you if the film is good to watch is NOT asking if there's a surprise party, because the "surprise party" in question pertains to the details of the plot itself.

If you go into a film tabula rasa of the plot, then discover the twist, you're in actual shock. But if you go into it knowing that there's a twist somewhere, then the viewer walks into the theater expecting that something in the initial acts of the film are not to be taken for granted, waiting for the twist, waiting for that revelation to come, and when filmmakers try to intelligently allude to the twist beforehand, viewers pick up on it and discover it before it's supposed to be discovered by the viewer, completely undermining the point of having a twist in the first place and totally dulling the effect the filmmakers were trying to have with it.

Or here's another example: Walk up behind someone silently and undetected, and quickly shake their shoulders without warning, and you'll have a significantly different reaction as opposed to walking up to that person, telling them you're going to shake their shoulders, and then shaking their shoulders. If the intent would be to have that person surprised, then you'd obviously go with the former option.

By playing White Knight and targeting the people that complain that Bob can't review a movie without spoiling anything, not only are you pointing your sword at the wrong party, you're completely missing the point of what MovieBob's job is.

And MovieBob's job is to offer a recommendation to us. He is not here to tell us that someone's going to shake our shoulders. If he wants us to see a film and love it for its own merits, then he has to realize that a good twist is part of the film's merits. He's here to tell the person who's being driven to the surprise party that they're going to something FUN, not shocking, not surprising, but fun. His refusal to even acknowledge, letalone try to create something so easy (if I could freaking do it) as a spoiler-free review is so downright unprofessional it's a wonder that Themis Media still has him on their payroll.

EDIT: Also, really guys? Since when has Bob Chipman's opinion of an upcoming film ever been a relevant thing worth commenting about?

Not an awful feeling about Transformers 4: We Are Out of Ideas But Still Want Your Money? It's got to be something you ate or maybe you are coming down with something.

I expect Transformers 4 to be nothing but the same worn out big budget summer action movie formula of no plot, no character, and the hope that the best in CGI destruction can somehow cover up how weak and formulaic every aspect of the film is. Killed off the A list Decepticons so they have to drag out Galvatron from when Transformers stopped being cool in the 80's and Lockdown because they killed off too much of G1.

Could be wrong since I've been wrong about films in the past, but I'm just not expecting anything special out of Transformers 4 except for the special effects. Although even with that it's getting to be been there done that with how violently can they kill robots since PG-13 lets you get brutal with non-organics.

Here's my question:
How does it work as a sequel to the ENJOYABLE cartoon series?

I understand that, after this movie, there's going to be another season of the HTTYD cartoon.
This excites me because I rather enjoyed the first season and I hope whatever world changes this brings are brought into the new season.

Grenge Di Origin:
/snip

Can a review of a movie be done that does not include content of the movie? Yes, and you did it quite well.

Has Bob established over a VERY long time that his reviews and critiques will possibly include some spoilers and content from the movies? Yup. So why do people take it upon themselves to make him change the way he does things while the rest of us enjoy the way he does.

Honestly if he took up your style (which would be hard to put to video) I'd probably skip this content.

Tanis:
Here's my question:
How does it work as a sequel to the ENJOYABLE cartoon series?

I understand that, after this movie, there's going to be another season of the HTTYD cartoon.
This excites me because I rather enjoyed the first season and I hope whatever world changes this brings are brought into the new season.

From what I'd read it's actually outside the cartoon series. Could be wrong though.

Dreamworks Animation really is a great studio. 'How to Train your Dragon' and the 'Kung Fu Panda' franchise are some of my favorites and I can't wait for the follow ups.

When I was younger I thought of them as less then Pixar, but looking at it now Pixar seem very more free to do what they want (not that Pixar films arn't amazing). Dreamworks feels a lot more restricted and the fact they still manage to make movies this good shows just how great they are.

Makabriel:

Tanis:
Here's my question:
How does it work as a sequel to the ENJOYABLE cartoon series?

I understand that, after this movie, there's going to be another season of the HTTYD cartoon.
This excites me because I rather enjoyed the first season and I hope whatever world changes this brings are brought into the new season.

From what I'd read it's actually outside the cartoon series. Could be wrong though.

I havn't watched a lot of the T.V. series but I think Stoick rides a Thunder Drum yet in the new film he rides a new dragon called Skull Crusher so there are probably a few differences.

Wait what? It's not a film critic's job to tell if a movie is good or not? Then what is the whole purpose of critic screenings or reviews? Are they just there so someone can just talk about a movie for five minutes and then get paid for it? What is the point of listening to a review if it doesn't inform me of the quality of the thing being reviewed?

Honestly, I would like to see Bob just put in a sentence or two at the start of the review video that basically amounts to "see it" "skip it" or "consider it." That way, people who really just want to know if Bob thinks the movie is worth seeing or not can watch the first 10 seconds of the video and then leave the page.

As for the movie itself? I might catch it at some point if I'm bored. It doesn't look or sound bad by any means, it just doesn't grab me at all.

Going to see it soon at the time of this post and debating watching the review or waiting until I have seen it.
But in any case thank you bob for including the spoiler warning, and while yes "if it is in the trailer it's not a spoiler," if its the one spoiler I think it is, I wasn't angry, more like miffed or annoyed when that appeared in the trailer. But then "holy crap, new How To Train Your Dragon!" kicked in and my annoyance vanished completely.

I was pleasantly surprised by the first movie and while I tend to avoid 3D movies (I don't like wearing the glasses) I think I'll make an exception for this one.

As for Bob's review, I myself wouldn't mind if Bob tried to rethink his reviewing style for a bit. His justification of "If it's in the trailer, it's not a spoiler!" rings hollow for me. I don't think I'm alone when I say that many trailers spoil way too much of their respective movies - or as they say on TVTropes "Trailers Always Spoil".

Besides, plenty of other critics can make craft a good, informative review without spoiling several big reveals.

SO basically, really good HTTYD sequel surprises no one. Saw that comin'.

If we all just went out to see the movies instead of getting a general idea if its worth the money (in example, not terribly executed on its premise) then reviewers would be out of a job.

Also, after watching your review of Godzilla I managed to get the important info that you said to my brother without spoiling the damn thing, so no, you dont spoil when its impossible to not spoil, especially since when you started here you sure as fuck barely spoiled anything, nowadays its like you just go "Fuck it, I'll spoil the thing to get my point easily across".

Most times now I avoid watching your review if its a movie I plan seeing since now you dont even put a spoiler warning in some cases, you just keep telling the story untill you reach the end while I am waiting for you to stop since at first you are just telling what the basic premise of the movie is (to the extent of what is shown in the trailers).

Well I'm interested now, but do I have to watch the first one to really get into the second one?

Also what happened to "If it's in the trailer, it's not a spoiler"?

Spoilers very rarely bother me but I'm gonna have to disagree with you Bob.
Just go see the movie? The reason people look up reviews to know if they should go see the movie.
Anyway, other people have already made the point better than I ever could so I wont get into it too much.

I will grant you however that this time if you saw the trailer you would have been spoiled regardless.
So you know, fuck marketing.

saw the trailer and i have admit, id did leave me with a good impression. now i just have to see if my cinema will play it in english since all damn children movies are only shown in chinese.

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