(NSFW) Assassin's Creed: Unisexity

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(NSFW) Assassin's Creed: Unisexity

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Dem tags XD

Everyone knows women can't be assassins, their boobs are adverse to violence. Ever seen an angry boob?

The Council or Uteri would have a field day!

The Wooster:
One of the richest developers in the world, helming one of the most successful franchises in gaming history, claims a lack of resources means game won't have said feature.

That is what makes it such a terrible excuse. They also had something like eight studios working on the last Assassins Creed game so they clearly aren't lacking for staff either. This is not forgetting the fact that they spend a ridiculous amount of money on advertising despite not really needing it due to how well known the series is.

Sometimes I think the CEO of Ubisoft and EA are having a private bet to see who can gain the most hate from idiotic statements.

Of course they can't afford to put in females, they blew all their money on cocaine and hookers.

For the love of...It's one guy. ONE GUY. THERE IS NO FEMALE CHOICE BECAUSE IT'S ONE CHARACTER! ADDING A FEMALE PLAYER CHARACTER WOULD MEAN ADDING A SECOND PROTAGONIST.

Sorry. It's just that every thread and every single comic and every single video ignores this fact. It's not that they hate women, it's that they didn't want a second protagonist.

Daystar Clarion:
Dem tags XD

Everyone knows women can't be assassins, their boobs are adverse to violence. Ever seen an angry boob?

The Council or Uteri would have a field day!

I'm not sure I agree. This tit looks like it might cut you, just saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs8nDW7aMTg

byte4554:
For the love of...It's one guy. ONE GUY. THERE IS NO FEMALE CHOICE BECAUSE IT'S ONE CHARACTER! ADDING A FEMALE PLAYER CHARACTER WOULD MEAN ADDING A SECOND PROTAGONIST.

Sorry. It's just that every thread and every single comic and every single video ignores this fact. It's not that they hate women, it's that they didn't want a second protagonist.

Hum. You know that in AC: Unity, there is 4 players, right?

*EDIT* Or at least a 4 player mode. *EDIT*

byte4554:
For the love of...It's one guy. ONE GUY. THERE IS NO FEMALE CHOICE BECAUSE IT'S ONE CHARACTER! ADDING A FEMALE PLAYER CHARACTER WOULD MEAN ADDING A SECOND PROTAGONIST.

Sorry. It's just that every thread and every single comic and every single video ignores this fact. It's not that they hate women, it's that they didn't want a second protagonist.

Whereas yourself and many others are choosing to ignore the fact that Ubisoft have explicitly stated that they did want a female character but it was too resource intensive to do so.

Assassin's Creed Unity's four-player co-op will not offer female assassins due to the pressures of production work, Ubisoft creative director Alex Amancio told Polygon during a recent interview.

Amancio said that though female assassins were planned for the game, Ubisoft ran into "the reality of production."

"It's double the animations, it's double the voices, all that stuff and double the visual assets," Amancio said. "Especially because we have customizable assassins. It was really a lot of extra production work."

In the game's co-op mode, players will have custom gear but always view themselves as Arno, Unity's star. Friends are displayed as different characters with the faces of other assassins.

"Because of that, the common denominator was Arno," Amancio said. "It's not like we could cut our main character, so the only logical option, the only option we had, was to cut the female avatar."

Speaking with Polygon during a different interview, level designer Bruno St-André estimated more than 8,000 animations would have had to be recreated on a different skeleton.

"We started, but we had to drop it," St-André said. "I cannot speak for the future of the brand, but it was dear to the production team, so you can expect that it will happen eventually in the brand."

byte4554:
For the love of...It's one guy. ONE GUY. THERE IS NO FEMALE CHOICE BECAUSE IT'S ONE CHARACTER! ADDING A FEMALE PLAYER CHARACTER WOULD MEAN ADDING A SECOND PROTAGONIST.

Sorry. It's just that every thread and every single comic and every single video ignores this fact. It's not that they hate women, it's that they didn't want a second protagonist.

So? Rule 63 dat shit for co-op. It isn't like they didn't go and create 4 different character models for co-op anyway, so why not make one (or even two! GASP SHOCK!) of those extra character models a woman? EDIT: And if you did, the fans would eat that shit up. So... Not really seeing a downside?

byte4554:
For the love of...It's one guy. ONE GUY. THERE IS NO FEMALE CHOICE BECAUSE IT'S ONE CHARACTER! ADDING A FEMALE PLAYER CHARACTER WOULD MEAN ADDING A SECOND PROTAGONIST.

Sorry. It's just that every thread and every single comic and every single video ignores this fact. It's not that they hate women, it's that they didn't want a second protagonist.

The problem many had was not primarily that the protagonist was male or that you couldn't choose his sex, but that you weren't able to chose a female avatar for the coop-characters, which is basicly just a throw away entourage for the protagonist anyways. And I find this sad really, especially considering the role women played in the french revolution. It's also kinda bad buisness. Total Biscuit rambled about the issue on soundcloud. It's an interessting listen.

OT: The bonus panel made me chuckle.

CorvusFerreum:

byte4554:
For the love of...It's one guy. ONE GUY. THERE IS NO FEMALE CHOICE BECAUSE IT'S ONE CHARACTER! ADDING A FEMALE PLAYER CHARACTER WOULD MEAN ADDING A SECOND PROTAGONIST.

Sorry. It's just that every thread and every single comic and every single video ignores this fact. It's not that they hate women, it's that they didn't want a second protagonist.

The problem many had was not primarily that the protagonist was male or that you couldn't choose his sex, but that you weren't able to chose a female avatar for the coop-characters, which is basicly just a throw away entourage for the protagonist anyways. And I find this sad really, especially considering the role women played in the french revolution. It's also kinda bad buisness. Total Biscuit rambled about the issue on soundcloud. It's an interessting listen.

OT: The bonus panel made me chuckle.

Aren't all of them just reskins anyways? As in, Ubi did the other characters on the cheap, and adding a female character would literally require more effort and expense than all of the existing co-op characters combined, because they cut corner in creating the existing ones, and now you want them to do the kind of work that actually adding a new character usually entails?

byte4554:
For the love of...It's one guy. ONE GUY. THERE IS NO FEMALE CHOICE BECAUSE IT'S ONE CHARACTER! ADDING A FEMALE PLAYER CHARACTER WOULD MEAN ADDING A SECOND PROTAGONIST.

Sorry. It's just that every thread and every single comic and every single video ignores this fact. It's not that they hate women, it's that they didn't want a second protagonist.

People just don't understand! Replacing one of the male support, throwaway characters, that play no role in the plot with a female character would cause such an incredible disturbance to the force. It would be like millions of voices cried out "Back to the kitchen!" and were suddenly silenced.

Schadrach:
And now you want them to do the kind of work that actually adding a new character usually entails?

Yes? Is that really so much to ask for one of the world's largest and financially able publishers to not only include some gender diversity in their game but also accomplish what their original vision of the game?

You see the great thing about digital art is that you can save it and carry it from one program to another. You can bring something from Photoshop over to Maya, then over to Mudbox, back to Maya, then to Illustrator, or whatever. Sometimes all you really have to do is change the file type, an easy process more times than not.

With that in mind, I fail to see how Ubisoft could not just carry over the models, animations, and scripts for Aveline from Assassin's Creed: Liberation then expand on them for a playable female character in Unity.
In practical theory, it should not be that difficult, time consuming, or costly, especially if you are one of the biggest producers of video games in the entire world with eight freakin' studios working on one game for one of the most financially successful video game series in the last decade.

Schadrach:

CorvusFerreum:
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Aren't all of them just reskins anyways? As in, Ubi did the other characters on the cheap, and adding a female character would literally require more effort and expense than all of the existing co-op characters combined, because they cut corner in creating the existing ones, and now you awnt them to do the kind fo work that actually adding a new character usually entails?

That doesn't make the issue that much better. First of: AC is one of Ubisofts most profitable franchises and the coop feature was prominently featured in marketing. If you don't want to criticise them on not putting this option in than you can criticise them on being cheap bastards. We are not talking about a small indie studio here, we are talking about one of the biggest players. I see no reason to let them get away with pallet swaps as coop characters. And even then: I'm pretty sure the game will feature female NPCs of some sort. That means they need to have female VAs anyway. If it was planned enough in advance I don't believe them that it would be over the budged to add a female assassin model with fitting animations. Hell: They even had a female protagonist in one of their titles. I'm pretty sure it should be possible to lift at least some of the animation work from there.
I could accept the cut corners if we were talking about a risky new IP or a small indie studio. But this is the flagship franchise of one of the biggest fish in the industry and we are talking about a heavily marketed feature here. I think you can expect the least bit of effort.

I mean: I don't really care. I wrote my original post as a response to someone who thought the discussion was about the protagnist. I'm not all that interested in AC and will most likely not play it until I get it for cheap in a sale a few years down the line. And even then, I personally won't really care if I play a man, a woman, a dog or a fungus from space. As long as the gameplay is enjoyable, I'm fine.
It just annoys me, that the gaming industry doesn't seem to be willing to put the least bit of effort into something that most likely would increase the appeal of the product. This lazy, bloated attitude really get's to me.

The Real Sandman:

With that in mind, I fail to see how Ubisoft could not just carry over the models, animations, and scripts for Aveline from Assassin's Creed: Liberation then expand on them for a playable female character in Unity.

That's what I thought to, but apparently they had borrowed most of Conner's animations for Aveline. More than they did for Edward in fact.

Which is ever so much more damning.

byte4554:
For the love of...It's one guy. ONE GUY. THERE IS NO FEMALE CHOICE BECAUSE IT'S ONE CHARACTER! ADDING A FEMALE PLAYER CHARACTER WOULD MEAN ADDING A SECOND PROTAGONIST.

Sorry. It's just that every thread and every single comic and every single video ignores this fact. It's not that they hate women, it's that they didn't want a second protagonist.

Just an FYI to everyone running with the excuse that because the animus user is a male, the avatar must also be male? I would like to point out the the ancestor controller of Aveline de Grandpre, the female assassin protagonist from Liberation, was a male. There's an interview log about it in Black Flag.

-EDIT- You know, on further review of the above bonus content, I'm going to go ahead and suspect that this level of 'ignorance' on Ubisoft's part might be straight up trolling, but there's no evidence to the contrary, is there?

PirateRose:

The Real Sandman:

With that in mind, I fail to see how Ubisoft could not just carry over the models, animations, and scripts for Aveline from Assassin's Creed: Liberation then expand on them for a playable female character in Unity.

That's what I thought to, but apparently they had borrowed most of Conner's animations for Aveline. More than they did for Edward in fact.

Which is ever so much more damning.

But there it is. For all the time and effort Ubi and friends spent on the main character and those crowd animations and dynamics, they could not divert a bit of those resources for a female co-op avatar?

To be slightly more coherent...Ubi has stated that each Co-Op player will see themselves as Arno, and the other players as generic assassins. That way, no one feels like they're just riding the protagonists coattails.

Legion:

The Wooster:
One of the richest developers in the world, helming one of the most successful franchises in gaming history, claims a lack of resources means game won't have said feature.

This is not forgetting the fact that they spend a ridiculous amount of money on advertising despite not really needing it due to how well known the series is.

This is actually the reason. You can't advertise AAA games with playable women, its a rule.

I'd like to remind Ubisoft that they made several female characters for multiplayer in the previous games, and then I'd like to ask how a single female character for a 4 player co-op mode is "too difficult".

canadamus_prime:
Of course they can't afford to put in females, they blew all their money on cocaine and hookers.

WTF IS A SONIC?!

But yeah, if a small indie team said that I'd believe them but this is just ridiculous.

PirateRose:

byte4554:
For the love of...It's one guy. ONE GUY. THERE IS NO FEMALE CHOICE BECAUSE IT'S ONE CHARACTER! ADDING A FEMALE PLAYER CHARACTER WOULD MEAN ADDING A SECOND PROTAGONIST.

Sorry. It's just that every thread and every single comic and every single video ignores this fact. It's not that they hate women, it's that they didn't want a second protagonist.

People just don't understand! Replacing one of the male support, throwaway characters, that play no role in the plot with a female character would cause such an incredible disturbance to the force. It would be like millions of voices cried out "Back to the kitchen!" and were suddenly silenced.

So you're saying you'd basically enjoy looking at a female playable character? Because here's a newsflash: even if they were in the game you still wouldn't be able to play as them. There is only one main character. Everyone sees themselves as that main character and all the other players as their entourage.

So, basically, people are fighting and screaming for the right to... be able to look at a female assassin do stuff.

Remind me, why can't they just throw in a few strong female NPCs if that's the case? You'd not be able to play as a female anyways. Besides if they did try forcing Ubisoft to implement a main female character to play as, it would be double the work. Not only adding a new "look" or new animations, but completely changing the scipt and hiring a brand new VA, unless of course the female instantly transforms into a man for the cutscenes (yes, even the quick ones using the in-game engine) at which point you'd have people whining about "unrepresentation" of the female character.

This complaining is arguably the most uninformed, foolish stuff ever. Why pick on assassin's creed of all things? One of the most diverse game series around? Why not scream at Murdered: Soul Suspect? You're playing as a white man in that too. Isn't that more of a sign of the "evil patriarchy" than freaking assassin's creed?

youji itami:
Yeah Ubisoft is so rich!

https://www.ubisoftgroup.com/comsite_common/en-US/images/d20140515031323ubisoft%20fy14%20earnings%20english%20finaltcm99143198.pdf

oh look Ubisoft lost €65 million last year.

So they're able to lose €65 million?

Yeah, that's pretty rich.

Witty Name Here:

Remind me, why can't they just throw in a few strong female NPCs if that's the case?

Why not ask Ubisoft? As far as we know they're not even willing to do that.

BreakfastMan:

byte4554:
For the love of...It's one guy. ONE GUY. THERE IS NO FEMALE CHOICE BECAUSE IT'S ONE CHARACTER! ADDING A FEMALE PLAYER CHARACTER WOULD MEAN ADDING A SECOND PROTAGONIST.

Sorry. It's just that every thread and every single comic and every single video ignores this fact. It's not that they hate women, it's that they didn't want a second protagonist.

So? Rule 63 dat shit for co-op. It isn't like they didn't go and create 4 different character models for co-op anyway, so why not make one (or even two! GASP SHOCK!) of those extra character models a woman? EDIT: And if you did, the fans would eat that shit up. So... Not really seeing a downside?

There is a downside.

Consider your average FPS. In this case, you are, at a minimum, doubling the amount of character art you need. You need meshes for both genders for all outfits and pieces of armor not to mention textures for each version. There is some hope though - one can likely get away with only having a single set of animations.

Then consider a game that takes place in third person with a focus on melee. Suddenly you need all that double art but you also have to make new animations. The cause for this additional step is because you have characters interacting in close proximity and if you want the various stabbings and slashings to look believable, that means you'll need to actually go through and animate things different when dealing with a character who is likely shorter, lighter and generally speaking shaped differently in a variety of ways.

In either case, you'll also need to hire voice actors for the task which could be fairly costly and time consuming if you want the playable character in the main game to be female. You might also need to include lots of writing changes to the story to allow for a female character and lots of additional recording of lots of bits of dialog. He must be changed to She at the very least and given the series attempts to at least nod to the history of the moment it would stand to reason people would react very differently to a female assassin than a male one.

By contrast, adding a bit of DLC that gives a new outfit or weapon only requires a fraction of the work - a new model and a new texture and whatever game files govern the behavior of that item. Moreover, adding lots of DLC offers additional avenues for revenue where adding female characters offers precisely nothing tangible. Thus, if pressed for time, which do you think will be cut? The easy DLC that might net a hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars or female playable characters?

Legion:

Whereas yourself and many others are choosing to ignore the fact that Ubisoft have explicitly stated that they did want a female character but it was too resource intensive to do so.

Didn't one of the devs come out and say this was bullshit?

Grey: Is that art history thing the woman who killed the famous jocobin being dragged away? Can't remember either of their names to Google.

Requia:

Legion:

Whereas yourself and many others are choosing to ignore the fact that Ubisoft have explicitly stated that they did want a female character but it was too resource intensive to do so.

Didn't one of the devs come out and say this was bullshit?

One of the people whose job it was to actually do that kind of animation and so on supposedly did, yes. The person who originally claimed it was too resource intensive was somebody higher up in the company.

youji itami:
Yeah Ubisoft is so rich!

https://www.ubisoftgroup.com/comsite_common/en-US/images/d20140515031323ubisoft%20fy14%20earnings%20english%20finaltcm99143198.pdf

oh look Ubisoft lost €65 million last year.

Yet they can still afford to make yearly Assassin Creed titles. Losing a lot of money doesn't mean much if you still have even more in the bank. If that €65 million was enough to cause them problems they wouldn't be releasing two Triple A games this year, they'd be cutting back.

If they can afford eight studios to work on a single game, then they are also clearly okay financially overall.

88chaz88:

Why not ask Ubisoft? As far as we know they're not even willing to do that.

Okay now you're just making that B.S. up on the spot.

They don't have a female model that you wouldn't even be playing as anyways and now you're making the claim "THEY DON'T PLAN ON HAVING ANY FEMALE CHARACTERS EVER!"

Provide a source, or you're just outright lying. Just because they don't have any playable female (they don't have anyone BUT the main protagonist as playable anyways) doesn't mean "they don't ever intend to add in strong female NPCs". The french revolution did have females serving alongside men. Of COURSE female NPCs will show up. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if a few Haitians are seen as well. There have been notable female characters in each Assassin's Creed game so far, and you'd have to be acting purposely dense to imagine there wont be now.

But oh! I can play this game too! It seems like so much fun anyways.

As we all know, the game "Bloodborne" is forcing you to play as a stupid disgusting evil white man. After all, the majority of the monsters you kill in the game are white male zombies, and it "conveniently" hid the main character's face. Now, I know that every Dark Souls and Demon's Souls game prior to this one have allowed you to play as virtually any race and gender (even Trans!) that you want... however the developer hasn't outright said that there are any strong female characters planned. Ergo Bloodborne is a filthy piece of trash that must be destroyed to defeat the patriarchy.

Schadrach:

Aren't all of them just reskins anyways?

Oh for goodness' sake. We call them naive americans now.

Legion:

Requia:

Legion:

Whereas yourself and many others are choosing to ignore the fact that Ubisoft have explicitly stated that they did want a female character but it was too resource intensive to do so.

Didn't one of the devs come out and say this was bullshit?

One of the people whose job it was to actually do that kind of animation and so on supposedly did, yes. The person who originally claimed it was too resource intensive was somebody higher up in the company.

Wait, you knew about it and are still parroting the line that came from a suit? Why the hell would you believe a marketing executive over an actual game developer?

Witty Name Here:

88chaz88:

Why not ask Ubisoft? As far as we know they're not even willing to do that.

Okay now you're just making that B.S. up on the spot.

They don't have a female model that you wouldn't even be playing as anyways and now you're making the claim "THEY DON'T PLAN ON HAVING ANY FEMALE CHARACTERS EVER!"

Provide a source, or you're just outright lying. Just because they don't have any playable female (they don't have anyone BUT the main protagonist as playable anyways) doesn't mean "they don't ever intend to add in strong female NPCs". The french revolution did have females serving alongside men. Of COURSE female NPCs will show up. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if a few Haitians are seen as well. There have been notable female characters in each Assassin's Creed game so far, and you'd have to be acting purposely dense to imagine there wont be now.

But oh! I can play this game too! It seems like so much fun anyways.

As we all know, the game "Bloodborne" is forcing you to play as a stupid disgusting evil white man. After all, the majority of the monsters you kill in the game are white male zombies, and it "conveniently" hid the main character's face. Now, I know that every Dark Souls and Demon's Souls game prior to this one have allowed you to play as virtually any race and gender (even Trans!) that you want... however the developer hasn't outright said that there are any strong female characters planned. Ergo Bloodborne is a filthy piece of trash that must be destroyed to defeat the patriarchy.

This is the funniest, completely irrational, random rant I've read in a long time.

Requia:

Legion:

Requia:

Didn't one of the devs come out and say this was bullshit?

One of the people whose job it was to actually do that kind of animation and so on supposedly did, yes. The person who originally claimed it was too resource intensive was somebody higher up in the company.

Wait, you knew about it and are still parroting the line that came from a suit? Why the hell would you believe a marketing executive over an actual game developer?

"Parroting"? I'd recommend reading post three in this thread.

The post you responded to was a reply to a person who claimed that Ubisoft did not want female characters. I then quoted an interview with Ubisoft, where they claimed that they did want female characters but they couldn't manage to do it with their time/money.

At no point did I say I thought they were telling the truth. Again, please read post three.

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