Jimquisition: Ubisoft - A Sad History of PC Failures

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Fyffer:
Its sad, really. Ubisoft won't stop though, because the gaming community on the whole refuses to deprive themselves of the latest games to send the message that we won't put up with it. And lack of sales is really the only message they'll listen to, even if they'll lie about what it really means.

quoted for truth, i'm still waiting for people to vote with their wallet, i can believe the masses want this treatment

piscian:
It reminds me of Dark Souls in the opposite fashion. From Software basically said "Hey guys we really dont have the talent or resources to make a PC version, but you asked for it so me made it. Sorry for the bugs" and they did a muuuuch better job on part 2, but the difference is they were honest and humble about it. I really don't get why Ubisoft has to be such dicks about everything. Why not simply be nice and garner fan support?

Because a large percentage of game publishers don't understand how basic P.R works. In a lot of ways, gaming's got a pretty big P.R problem.

I don't really blame Ubisoft for resorting to desperate gambits at DRM or avoiding the PC platform entirely due to piracy because, according to Escapist Magazine's own Shamus Young, PC gamers generally are pirates. I'm not, but apparently that puts me in a minority.

That said, I'm less prone to forgive Ubisoft for releasing shoddy ports. Because, if you're going to release on a platform at all, it would be foolish to release it in a state that reflects poorly on your company. PC gamers are now looking at Ubisoft games as lemons, and will be less willing to pay much for them. Optimization isn't that expensive to do, so what a stupid way to run a company.

A more likely possibility is that Ubisoft is colluding with next-gen console manufacturers to water down the PC version deliberately so the XBone and PS4 would seem competitive. Of course, they're not going to say this publicly, because that would be absolutely unforgivable in the eyes of their consumers and do massive brand damage to all parties involved. Not this least of this being a confirmation that apparently the new generation of consoles are already obsolete to the PC.

Didn't Ubisoft just recently say that they wanted to focus on giving more services to games that wouldn't be able to be accessed if the game were pirated? And yet... it was people digging in the code who found content that Ubi wasn't going to provide to paying customers?

Are they just actively trying to do the exact opposite of the stuff that they say?

Certain Indie companies, such as Double Fine and Goldhawk Interactive, have impressed me with customer service and game quality to the point where I'll take a long look at buying anything that those companies may make in the future.

For triple A publishers, I still like Valve.

Anything by EA, Ubisoft, or Activision had better be an incredible game for me to justify paying them any money.

Sgt. Sykes:
Ubi's affair with DRM was quite interesting though:

- the famous StarForce in 2004
- 3 completely DRM-free games released (on DVD) in 2007
- then the always-online DRM in 2010...

Don't forget the latest: DRM is ineffective against piracy
See: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/135582-Ubisoft-DRM-is-Ineffective-Against-Piracy

geldonyetich:
I don't really blame Ubisoft for resorting to desperate gambits at DRM or avoiding the PC platform entirely due to piracy because, according to Escapist Magazine's own Shamus Young, PC gamers generally are pirates. I'm not, but apparently that puts me in a minority.

Even if the 95% piracy rate is true, it's still doesn't excuse anything, because that measly 5% keeps on, time and again, raising millions after millions of dollars buying and gifting games during the summer and winter sales, raising money for charities like Humble Bundle or Summer Games Done Quick (which is happening right now), and funds entire games on Kickstarter.

Ubi should stop treating PC gamers as a bunch of freeloading pricks and be humble and grateful that awesome 5%, that keeps the PC gaming industry and so many other things alive and kicking, exists in the first place. But instead of trying to keep that 5% happy they prefer to cripple their own product with shoddy downgraded graphics and DRMs.

canadamus_prime:

Thanatos2k:

canadamus_prime:

In simple terms


about sums it up.
Game publishers are dicks. All of them.

Explain CD Projekt Red and Gog.com then.

GoG is not a publisher, they're a online retailer or digital distribution outlet. As for CD Project Red... jury's still out on them.

Digital distribution platforms is publishing at this point.

How is the jury still out on CD Projekt Red?

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates/1100-6348579/

CD Projekt CEO and cofounder Marcin Iwinski has released an open letter to the gaming community revealing that the studio will immediately stop identifying and contacting pirates.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/witcher-2-dev-will-never-use-any-drm/1100-6365165/

CEO Marcin Iwinski said it will never again use DRM.
CD Projekt Red thinks DRM doesn't help.

"Every subsequent game, we will never use any DRM anymore. It's just overcomplicating things,"

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06/17/cdp-on-free-witcher-dlc-next-gen-drm-concerns/

"But at the end of the day, the game [counts] - and not the money. Because the game will make the money if it's good. Some people think it's the other way around, and in the short run - business-wise - it makes sense. 'I will sell this small thing for three dollars. It will make me $300,000. It's good money. I will show more profit.' But at the end of the day, how many fans have you lost? And that's just a very simple mentality we try to avoid."

They have cared only for gamers for years.

Their port of Grandia 2 was a bit of a right mess and all.

I wish piracy actually had an effect on big publishers. They need to go bankrupt

Nurb:
I wish piracy actually had an effect on big publishers. They need to go bankrupt

Oh like some other clod with an even bigger Napoleon Complex wouldn't waltz in and make things even worse somehow.

ConanThe3rd:

Nurb:
I wish piracy actually had an effect on big publishers. They need to go bankrupt

Oh like some other clod wouldn't waltz in and make things even worse somehow.

Breaking the monopoly the major publishers have by owning most of the developers allows for the independent developers to compete against one another again as they did in the 90's before EA, Ubisoft, and Activision started buying everyone up.

Developers in charge of games, not execs or shareholders.

The only Ubisoft games I've bought in the last decade are the new Rayman games, and I really dragged my feet for Rayman Legends because they just had to saddle it with Uplay. Even with that series, Ubi decided to delay the PC version of Origins for like forever and bitch about lower sales. Then, it gets put up on Steam and surprise, surprise, millions of sales have followed. It's not that they're anooying customers, they're shooting themselves in the foot sales wise with the treatment of even their non AAA games.

I think we can all agree that Ubisoft hates PC about as much as Atlus hates Europe. Which is a lot.

Jim, Jim, Jim. Don't you understand? Ubisoft's DRM was successful at keeping PC piracy down to a paltry 95%! Why, without it, at least 250% of those scumbag PC gamers would've pirated their games! Everybody knows that PC gamers never, ever pay a dime for games without onerous, gamebreaking DRM- just ask Valve, or Good Old Games!

SomeGuySomewhereHere:
I'll just leave this here.

http://whatifgaming.com/the-division-developer-insider-we-already-downgraded-a-few-things

...hoo boy. I wish I could say I was the least bit surprised. Of course, you have to look askance at anonymous sources and all, but haven't we already seen this drama play out?

An Ceannaire:
It's times like this that I'm ashamed I own as many Ubisoft games as I do.

Yeah....me too...I was stupid enough to buy some origin games in a sale as well. Dead Space 3 coop, broken (STILL), BF3 coop, broken (STILL).

Which reminds me, so is the new splinter cell coop. I really, REALLY dont see why companies with so much resources manage to make games with so many connection problems, and then small, more or less broke indie-publishers manage to make flawless connection games. How? HOW?!

I just have to learn to say no. Maybe they'll get the picture in the end.

On the flip side, I just pre-ordered Witcher 3 from GoG. And I felt all warm and fuzzy inside when I did too.

SomeGuySomewhereHere:
I'll just leave this here.

http://whatifgaming.com/the-division-developer-insider-we-already-downgraded-a-few-things

Well, that was an interesting read. I wonder if there is actually some way to try this practice as false marketing, and put an end to it?

Edit: Too bad we'll probably have to wait until next year to see if the claim is correct.

Edit 2: I own a bunch of Ubisoft games on console and they've all worked well and I've had no issues with Uplay. And I own one Ubisoft title on the PC. That's more than enough, because Uplay on PC is just in the way.

nevarran:

Muspelheim:
Ubisoft made it perfectly clear that they don't want my money years back. Haven't bought one of their products since, and never bloody will.

Same here. If Ubi don't give a shit about me, then I don't give a shit about them either.

I concur. I was about to pick up Far Cry 1 the other day on sale, but then I remembered the publisher, and bought Shadow Warrior instead.

I'm not giving them a bloody cent.

leviadragon99:
Yeah... it is rather annoying when a publisher blatantly treats PC gamers like second class citizens.

Really? I find it rather annoying when PC gamers treat anyone who isn't a PC gamer as a second class citizen.

I really hope we don't forget these fuck-ups and apathy of publishers. Only the core crowd seems to remember.
Thank God, for Jim Sterling!

Muspelheim:
Ubisoft made it perfectly clear that they don't want my money years back. Haven't bought one of their products since, and never bloody will.

They should rename themselves to OopsieSoft.

But after reading some of Penny Arcade's Tales from the Trenches and even with taking the stories with a grain of salt I am convinced that the computer gaming industry as a whole wouldn't know a good idea if it walked up to them and shook their hand. Basic Common Sense seems to have left the room and wandered into Raccoon City and the public just keeps taking it like its got a strong case of masochism or something.

Mr Ink 5000:

Fyffer:
Its sad, really. Ubisoft won't stop though, because the gaming community on the whole refuses to deprive themselves of the latest games to send the message that we won't put up with it. And lack of sales is really the only message they'll listen to, even if they'll lie about what it really means.

quoted for truth, i'm still waiting for people to vote with their wallet, i can believe the masses want this treatment

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." - paraphrase of H. L. Mencken.

To which the addendum of 'especially when it comes to buying electronic games' can be added.

lukesparow:
"We won't make it if we can't milk it to death!" (make a franchise out of it).
Is anyone honestly still expecting anything good from Ubisoft?

Yeah, that was one thing that has bugged me about Ubisoft. They only want to make games that they can make franchises out of. I loved Assassin's Creed, but after hearing them claim that they only want to make franchises, I haven't picked up any of the games past the second (which I didn't even finish).

Hell, I have next to no interest in Watch Dogs. The entire reason is that I knew from Day One that it was gonna force some sort of cliff hanger ending so that it could be milked into a franchise.

Not every game needs to be a franchise! Sometimes, a good game can be made simply by making it a good stand alone game. And sometimes you can make a franchise that doesn't require a guide to the whole thing, like with Mario or Final Fantasy. You can pick up any game in the series (I'm not counting the direct FF spin offs) and be fine.

Honestly, that whole attitude makes me wary of Ubisoft franchises. Never mind the DRM and other such nonsense. EA is kinda worse on that front since even consoles need to connect to EA servers to play DLC, not that I'm defending Ubisoft.

Funny how the topic came up just as I was proclaiming I was done with Ubi. I actualy feel ashamed and slightly dirty for having forked over money to them in the past few months.

With EA and Ubi off the list, I'm down to 2K, Deep Silver and Sqeenix for 3rd party publishers I feel comfortable with paying.

Yeah, Um UPlay made me not play thru games I typically play thru multiple times, multiple times. Like Heroes of MIght and magic 6 if I wanted to start clean, I'd have to buy a totally new game. I might be wrong there.

But I played thru once, and sorta wanted to start fresh, but couldn't. Because dunno.

But I didn't have a problem with Far Cry 3. What I'm getting at, is while they are bad, calling them EA, or Activision is like comparing Obama to Hitler.

Sure Obama and Hitler are bother charismatic leaders of men. but the comparison is dumb and you should be ashamed for making it.

Ubisoft is a competant game company that makes games many people like, for the consoles. sure it makes inept and ham fisted PC games, but its not like activision or EA.

Activision decided to release Starcraft 2 in 3 games that were basically done in the first game and the other two are just maps or something and the Diablo 3 was all Ebay with them getting that 20% of their cash sales or whatever. Things that are annoying and made to make them more money.

Ubisoft just puts things in there to be annoying, do they make lots of money from UPlay?

EA, I want to say I've never purchased a game from EA i haven't been disappointed with, but thats not true. you got your Mass effect and Dragon Age, Portal was good apparently.

But they Frequently make games that LOOK good that are just disappointing and you get the feeling that their few actual good games are like the machines near the doors of the casino that actually pay out to get people to come inside and lose money on the games that are not good and whose trailers were a lie.

Dragon age 1 was good so that dragon age 2 could get away with being utter s***, and Dragon age 3 can just be better than 2 and make money. sort of thing.

ThreeName:
I concur. I was about to pick up Far Cry 1 the other day on sale, but then I remembered the publisher, and bought Shadow Warrior instead.

I'm not giving them a bloody cent.

Uh, I forgot Far Cry, I bought FC3. It appears I'm not completely innocent here, I feel ashamed :)
That was a good PC port, btw, I didn't have any issues with it. It looked great, it was well optimized and surprisingly bug-free. Weird, huh?...

ThreeName:

nevarran:

Muspelheim:
Ubisoft made it perfectly clear that they don't want my money years back. Haven't bought one of their products since, and never bloody will.

Same here. If Ubi don't give a shit about me, then I don't give a shit about them either.

I concur. I was about to pick up Far Cry 1 the other day on sale, but then I remembered the publisher, and bought Shadow Warrior instead.

I'm not giving them a bloody cent.

Ubi didn't make FC1, It was Crytek that made it and Ubi just published. It was after FC1 that Ubi took over the development of the series leading to Crytek telling them to shove it where the sun doesn't shine and making Crysis with EA as a publisher. Yeah Ubi was so bad a developer told them to go fuck themselves.

OT:
Jim, FC2 had limited installs back in 2008. A total of 5 installs with a revoke tool that didn't always work. Within 2 months of having the game and playing with friends online in multiplayer I had to download a pirate copy to play the game that I purchased because of the DRM making it unplayable. 1 install lost because I did a hardware upgrade and I didn't know it would count that as a new install, 1 lost because of a hardware failure, the rest were lost because the revoke tool did not revoke even if it said it was successful so 1 install on a different PC while visiting family and 2 more upgrades. Then they supposedly removed the limited install because it wasn't working and yet I have to still use pirated copy because the digital download from Ubisoft still had the limited install DRM the last time I installed.

So to bring back limited installs in 2011 when it was a complete failure that they had to remove in 2008 tells me that Ubisoft is willing to screw paying customers over by implementing DRM they know just screws paying customers over without doing a thing to pirates. They knew it wouldn't work because it failed the first time they tried it. That makes the second attempt by far worse than you made it out to be in the video.

Thanatos2k:
Explain CD Projekt Red and Gog.com then.

With Saints Row 2, CD Projekt did the absolute worst PC port I've ever seen. That was the only time I had to use a mod, an ini file and timing a part of the game with a stopwatch to get a game to be playable. It still wasn't the most stable game. Also, for some reason gameplay was capped at 30 fps while cinematics were at 60 fps which is utterly bizarre.

I'd just like to mention performance doesn't count as a reason to remove the options. Crysis 1 released with its max settings requiring double the VRAM currently publicly available. Does anyone care about that? No, the graphics simply will be better when we can actually play them, and they were actually good graphics on less settings.

Oh and just for the record Jim. Its You-be-soft. As in Ubiquitous, as stated by the Far Cry 2 devs.

Sigmund Av Volsung:
Only reported instances of good PC ports:
-Assassin's Creed Director's Cut: none of that horse-ing about, and fast-travel. Yes x10.
-Beyond Good And Evil was alright.
-Prince of Persia: Sands of Time still runs on modern OS, considering that neither Warrior Within nor The Two Thrones do, it's pretty impressive.

That is all. I agree with 100% of what you said Jim. Uplay is f***ing horrendous.

Wrong. All three Prince of Persia games run on Windows 7 64 bit.

An Ceannaire:
It's times like this that I'm ashamed I own as many Ubisoft games as I do.

dont worry. you are not alone.

i have many games. especially the AC series. even though i never really had any issues with any of these titles or that uplay caused me any huge problems that i could not play the games i have on it, but i sure do admit that its a problematic DRM with its downloads and even purchasing a title is not easy.

the way i see it, EA seems to have a better reputation now than ubisoft. at least origin is working fine and easy to buy from and doesnt stop you from playing your games. so if i have to choose now between one of them, i go for EA.

ResonanceSD:
But if people stop buying PC Ubisoft games, then I can't keep laughing at the same people who get excited about a ubi game, preorder it, get disappointed, FORGET ALL OF THIS, and do it again.

I'm highly tempted to make an animated GIF about getting the popcorn ready. But that means I'd need to make popcorn. Also, my most recent attempt at making an animated gif was 38MB large.

I'm not very good at this.

Point being, I agree with you on this. I don't understand it either. Sometimes it's hilarious, but sometimes, I'm actually really disappointed by it.

Sigmund Av Volsung:
Only reported instances of good PC ports:
-Assassin's Creed Director's Cut: none of that horse-ing about, and fast-travel. Yes x10.
-Beyond Good And Evil was alright.
-Prince of Persia: Sands of Time still runs on modern OS, considering that neither Warrior Within nor The Two Thrones do, it's pretty impressive.

That is all. I agree with 100% of what you said Jim. Uplay is f***ing horrendous.

AssCreed 1 had horrible optimization, Beyond Good and Evil was locked in letterbox widescreen which was shitty back then and is even shittier now because it's still letterboxed so you get BOTH black pillars AND everything is stretched up the arse
I don't know about Two Thrones, but Warrior Within very much does run on Win7.

CBanana:

With Saints Row 2, CD Projekt did the absolute worst PC port I've ever seen. That was the only time I had to use a mod, an ini file and timing a part of the game with a stopwatch to get a game to be playable. It still wasn't the most stable game. Also, for some reason gameplay was capped at 30 fps while cinematics were at 60 fps which is utterly bizarre.

Saits row 2 was THQ wasn't it?

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