Zero Punctuation: Tomodachi Life - Nintendo Life Simulator

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Tomodachi Life - Nintendo Life Simulator

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Tomodachi Life.

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I want to hear more about what happened to the fictional characters. Namely Slippery John.

Half of my household gives the other half of my household grief for playing this game.

Then again, the half that plays it is the same half that have Origin installed on their PCs.

I've threatened to block the ports if they don't become more socially aware...

Anyway, if Yahtzee's third novel does not contain sock puppets, I will be sorely disappointed.

Oh Yahtzee, I'd be your friend...BUT.

I'll just stick with that. :)

Great now I want to know Yatzee friendcode to get his cockface and lady Hitler Miis.

Heh, I made a thread about this (if anyone bought the game and if it's worth buying) yesterday so now that thread feel even more redundent (0 replies).

Sadly my socks are too valuable to be turn into sock puppets nor do I want to buy new pairs to make one (in another word, I had just order the game).

First time I've laughed out loud in a while on ZP, cheers.

Took a spit take when he brought up Agent X. Loved her character.

For someone that likes to go on about Nintendo beating a dead horse its interesting to hear the preachyness here about a topic that everyone was already preached out about months ago, got one of your own I feel Mr Yahtzee :P

This was interesting to watch because the points were made based on a incorrect initial premise, that excluding same sex relationships was less work than adding them (wrong as it is to actually exclude the option). Anyone who actually makes games would tell you this as there are more factors to consider so more if statements and testing to deal with, and its odd to have to point this out as the person making the point makes games himself!

Yes the extra code needed is really fucking minor (one if statement should do it), but its still the case that extra is needed. You also have to consider then that even if they did allow gay marriage people would still complain because they can't have kids so can't progress further through the game (cause by my understanding of it , sending out your kids is an important part of progression). So instead of no gay marriage complaints we would get something else, unless more work was don. And even then you have angry middle American mothers complaining that the game is teacher her kids "non christian values".

There are lots of arguments for the inclusion and why they should have done it, but the one here is stupid because "its less work to include than exclude" is just flat out wrong. baring in mind this is horse that was beaten to death months ago anyway

Well as much as I like the return of the man who's face looks like it has a cock on it, I don't think I'll be able to get that final segment out of my head for days now.

I'm pretty sure most people were outraged at what Nintendo did rather than how much work it would have required to do the right thing, much like with Ubisoft.

S, H, U, B, N, I, G, G, U, R, A, T, H...

... has someone checked if those kids have gills or something?

I really don't get this genre of gaming at all. Why would I play a "life simulator" when I can just walk outside and live my own life? I always thought games were about escapism; that's why you play games like Tomb Raider, because you'll never get to be an adventure archeologist/grave robber in real life.

Leaving aside all the controversy that I'd never heard of, I'm a little confused as to why Yahtzee is review this game. Slow release period? Baiting fanboys? Just a sort of general "fuck you"?

I didn't expect this but really should I be surprised since the internet got into furore over the patch that removed same sex relationship and also was a gamebreaking glitch forcing Nintendo to say something stupid. Any publicity is good publicity i guess.

Evonisia:
I'm pretty sure most people were outraged at what Nintendo did rather than how much work it would have required to do the right thing, much like with Ubisoft.

I think in both cases it was what they said once it'd started becoming a thing. The initial issue wasn't good to make them look great, but then they reached for their keyboards and typed themselves in much deeper.

I can't help but think that Yahtzee made this video JUST so he could add "NINTY IS HOMOPHOBIC" to his list of why he hates Nintendo......

I'll say the same thing I say in every Tomodachi Life thread: THIS?! This is what the LGBTOMGWTFBBQ community got so pissed off about? Of all the fucking problems non-straights face around the world, this is by some distance the most trivial and irrelevant.

Looks shite, sounds shite, looks stupid, would not part with any amount of my money to obtain. What an utter waste of time and energy. Yahtzee asks an excellent question - what exactly is this game meant to achieve? who is it for exactly? - and we've got nothing.

Oh joy, I can't wait for THAT debate to start up again now...

I still enjoyed the video, though.

Milky1985:
For someone that likes to go on about Nintendo beating a dead horse its interesting to hear the preachyness here about a topic that everyone was already preached out about months ago, got one of your own I feel Mr Yahtzee :P

Well, he never said he wasn't a hypocrite.

(Not a shot at Yahtzee, just referencing a very recent joke)

Anyone who actually makes games would tell you this as there are more factors to consider so more if statements and testing to deal with, and its odd to have to point this out as the person making the point makes games himself!

I would actually think your awareness of the latter would undermine the former. I mean, you actually know you're telling a game designer what game designers "all know."

Okay, anyone else want to hear more about the apartment building with characters from Yahtzee's novels and games? I 'm curious what it's like living next to folks like Trilby and Mister Wonderful.

Also, is it wrong that I found the images at the end credits hilarious?

Kinitawowi:
I'll say the same thing I say in every Tomodachi Life thread: THIS?! This is what the LGBTOMGWTFBBQ community got so pissed off about? Of all the fucking problems non-straights face around the world, this is by some distance the most trivial and irrelevant.

Looks shite, sounds shite, looks stupid, would not part with any amount of my money to obtain. What an utter waste of time and energy. Yahtzee asks an excellent question - what exactly is this game meant to achieve? who is it for exactly? - and we've got nothing.

I wonder how much energy you actually think was expended. I also wonder where I can get your official list of approved LGBT issues. I mean, this one didn't take up much of my time, but now I'm worried some of my other issues might not make the cut. I mean, it seems like you're setting the value of issues based on what you specifically would or wouldn't do.

Hilarious.

Finally someone with a realistic approach to... er, life basically.

Oh God, that ending credits animation!

That's so wrong and yet so hillarious.

Zachary Amaranth:

I would actually think your awareness of the latter would undermine the former. I mean, you actually know you're telling a game designer what game designers "all know."

Yeah and that was my point (as person who has dabbled in game design in the past and now works with code professionally). He seems to be saying that its less work to include than exclude but its not the case because of stuff i mentioned later in my post. In some cases its true but in this case there's a bit more too it.

and again, i think they should have added it all in or at the very least added the relationships even if they couldn't have kids, middle America be damned :p

Kinitawowi:
I'll say the same thing I say in every Tomodachi Life thread: THIS?! This is what the LGBTOMGWTFBBQ community got so pissed off about?

Well, it was more the fact that Nintendo collectively shit itself over the internet. MovieBob went into a huge rant on Twitter that all Nintendo had to say to avoid controversy was "We only translated the game, and this wasn't in the original version." And they blew it. And then Jim did 2 episodes of the Jimquisition on it because of that.

This episode was much funnier than the more recent ones, my favorite bits being anything involving lady Hitler and Yahtzee burying the reindeer man.

Milky1985:

This was interesting to watch because the points were made based on a incorrect initial premise, that excluding same sex relationships was less work than adding them (wrong as it is to actually exclude the option). Anyone who actually makes games would tell you this as there are more factors to consider so more if statements and testing to deal with, and its odd to have to point this out as the person making the point makes games himself!

Depends how its coded. However consider this sample:

boolean canCoupleMarry(Person a, Person b)
{
if (a == b)
{ return false; //can't marry yourself
}
if (a.age < 18 || b.age < 18)
{ return false; //no jailbait. alter according to local law
}
// if (a.gender == b.gender)
// { return false;
// }
// Allow same sex marriage
...
...
// Other conditions as required
return true;
}

Of course you are assuming that everyone is potentially bisexual. If you want to give the player the option of setting a sexuality when you create the character, then the code to add the button to the screen is going to be potenitally longer than the logic needed to handle the sexuality options.

LaoJim:

Milky1985:

This was interesting to watch because the points were made based on a incorrect initial premise, that excluding same sex relationships was less work than adding them (wrong as it is to actually exclude the option). Anyone who actually makes games would tell you this as there are more factors to consider so more if statements and testing to deal with, and its odd to have to point this out as the person making the point makes games himself!

Depends how its coded. However consider this sample:

boolean canCoupleMarry(Person a, Person b)
{
if (a == b)
{ return false; //can't marry yourself
}
if (a.age < 18 || b.age < 18)
{ return false; //no jailbait. alter according to local law
}
// if (a.gender == b.gender)
// { return false;
// }
// Allow same sex marriage
...
...
// Other conditions as required
return true;
}

Of course you are assuming that everyone is potentially bisexual. If you want to give the player the option of setting a sexuality when you create the character, then the code to add the button to the screen is going to be potenitally longer than the logic needed to handle the sexuality options.

still proving the point i made in the post if you actually read down into it that its a minor change (reading past the first paragraph is something im guessing noone is bothering to do). this is assuming that all objects are asexual etc, but this still influences the design process. Reason being more work to account for the increased amount of possible matches for each person, as this has an effect on computation time and memory requirements as these are limited resources.

For a weird fanboyish reason, I'd like to see a let's drown out of this. o.O

FFMaster:

still proving the point i made in the post if you actually read down into it that its a minor change (reading past the first paragraph is something im guessing noone is bothering to do). this is assuming that all objects are asexual etc, but this still influences the design process. Reason being more work to account for the increased amount of possible matches for each person, as this has an effect on computation time and memory requirements as these are limited resources.

I've not played Tomodachi life, so I'm not sure how it handles relationships, but presumably every characters has some values regarding their opinion of everyone else in the game. If we assume love is just a strong version of like, you don't need to have any more values. (And even if you do it probably only need one byte more, assuming there's 100 characters in the game we talking 100*100 bytes = about 10k which shouldn't break the bank unless the hardware is already up against the limit) Whenever an event happens between these two characters the values move up or down. If the values pass a certain threshold then there's the chance for a relationship to start. Done this way I don't see that it needs any more memory or time than just doing hetrosexual relationships.

FFMaster:

There are lots of arguments for the inclusion and why they should have done it, but the one here is stupid because "its less work to include than exclude" is just flat out wrong. baring in mind this is horse that was beaten to death months ago anyway

I don't see that its flat out wrong. I think the idea is that allowing homosexual relationships/marriage shouldn't be regarded as an additional feature. I think its better to say that if its in the design document from the start than it is pretty much exactly the same amount of work.

FFMaster:

You also have to consider then that even if they did allow gay marriage people would still complain because they can't have kids so can't progress further through the game (cause by my understanding of it , sending out your kids is an important part of progression). So instead of no gay marriage complaints we would get something else, unless more work was don.

Again this is not a problem if its in the design document from the start. As it's a family friendly game you just have
a stork bring the new baby to the (same or different sex) couple, no questions asked.

FFMaster:

And even then you have angry middle American mothers complaining that the game is teacher her kids "non christian values

If you're making a modern life simulation you have to take a stand on this issue. Not having gay marriage isn't being neutral these days (maybe twenty years ago it would have been), its taking a anti-gay stance. As a company you have to decide on one stance or the other, and either way you are going to upset some people. In this case, regardless of anything else, I think this angry middle American mothers kids are going to realize that gay people exist sooner or later whatever she does.

The easy way around this is to have a slider setting the ratio of homo/hetro/bisexual people in the game (Or let it be set on a character by character basis). This allows people to create a completely gay community, a more balanced community or a "traditional" community as they see fit. Will your hypothetical mother be happy with this solution? Probably not, but its now firmly her problem.

I have long awaited the return of Senor Couqonfays. I almost want to buy the game just to see how far I can stretch "Family Friendly"

Did anyone else completely fanboy/girl out when he mentioned his novels? I want to know what happened to the other characters...

Granted, this probably isn't the most convincing defence you'll ever hear of Tomodachi Life as a game, but: I think the fact that you got some of your best gags ever simply by describing yo/the internet. Does that make it worth the asking price? I don't know, I guess that depends on how easily amused you are. I watched Jimothy's Freaky Constantina song every day for about a fortnight, so I guess if I had a 3DS I'd be exactly the target audience for it.

Comedy gold, then again I didn't expect anything less coming from him.

I honestly still find it kinda weird or whatever to bash on Nintendo for this. Because first, this was originally a Japan-only series until someone decided that it should come over here too, hence the non-existence of same-sex relationships and marriages because that kind of thing is pretty much non-existent in Japan, from what I hear. And I understand Nintendo of America could edit the code to allow that, but it's not like they're trying to deliberately shame anyone. If they were translating it to make it for the U.S., then I imagine they wouldn't have had the time to edit in that function before their release date mark was made. And plus, Nintendo's not blindly attacking anyone for it. If there was some kind of thing shaming homosexuals and other differently-oriented people in the game, then I wouldn't have gotten Tomodachi Life in the first place. But looking at the game and seeing only heterosexual relationships and blindly yelling "NINTENDO IS ANTI-GAY STOP BUYING THEIR GAMES WAAAAAAAAAAAAH" is like saying that one certain person at a party hates Kool-Aid and fruit-related things in general, simply because that person didn't think to bring fruit punch they bought at the fruit store. He wasn't immediately thinking about it at the time, and someone had already brought their own personal flavor that everyone else enjoyed, but when HE didn't consider everyone else, suddenly he's the bad guy.

Plus, and I know this may be a little bad of me to say, but is this also because people are just willing to bash on Nintendo lately that everyone's trying to hit them at every single fucking angle that they can get their grubby little mitts on? Oh hey, Nintendo forgot to put same-sex marriage in a game that came from a different continent and didn't usually have same-sex marriage and didn't have time to code in same-sex relations. NOBODY ELSE IS DOING IT EITHER BUT NINTENDO YOU ASSHOLES! PITCHFORK AND TORCHES! Oh hey, the Wii U is selling badly and so is the 3DS, THEY'RE CLEARLY SLIPPING ON THEIR GRADE A SALES! ROB THEM OF THEIR MONEY! Honestly, you fucking people need to get a grip. Nintendo's not doing this shit to deliberately get a rise out of everyone, and if they were, I think we'd all know when they were and we'd had all seen it by now. They're not doing anything fucking wrong, and there's no need to start throwing shit at them because they tripped up on one solitary stair on their company stairwell. Just give them a fucking break and let them make and sell their games in peace. They're about the only other thing in the current video gaming scene that's keeping it all a nice shade of bright colors, instead of the generic black, brown and grey colors we've all become relegated to nowadays.

TL;DR: Stop giving Nintendo garbage for things they're not even intending to say or do. They're not looking to hurt anyone, and they'd be better off with people like you jabbing at their backs and cutting them every time they walk out of rhythm.

You'd actually expect X to be able to keep something secret? She'd be accidentally spilling the beans the second someone asked "what's he like in bed." And then she'd pretend she said nothing.

I fail to see a problem with excluding LGBTQAQ. I'm obese. Just like 50% of americans and mexicans or 30% of the germans. How many games are there that let me play as a fat guy?
Ask any fat person how they are treated from others. I don't think LGBTQAQ are treated worse then fat people. Am i supposed to protest now until all games include fat people?

captcha: milk was a bad choice
Realy? Only if it is the milk of mice.

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