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Female Characters

Look, making games is harder that you think, okay?

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I'm glad that as a Bear Farmalock, I'll finally gain representation in a game. Also Salmon.

Oh god, gender politics in gaming! Duck and cover people this is not a drill! get to your flame bunkers!

OK, seriously I hope this comment section doesn't devolve into the usual arguments. There are plenty of threads made specifically about the topic that we don't have to turn the comments section of a comedy video into another one.

As someone who enjoys pet classes, the mention of a Summoner class made me sad. Good pet classes are so rare.

I don't know why, but I was little hesitant on this one... but it thankfully turned out hilarious as always. None of the jokes were what I expected them to be and the whole set up with switching to the game developments made the sketch work ever so well. It was short, but that worked to it's favour allowing the video to deliver each of it's jokes and scenes in smooth, quick succession without dragging it on with further stuff.

Also, I shall totally be playing as a Ghost Bear Farmlock for this completely hypothetical game... although if the Women race have pincers, I may consider playing as a Woman raced, Dinosaur class.


Also, congratulations to Graham and Kathleen who got married on Saturday! :D

DirgeNovak:
Also, congratulations to Graham and Kathleen who got married on Saturday! :D

Fo' reelz? Hot dang! Congrats to the Stark couple!

The Grim Ace:
I'm glad that as a Bear Farmalock, I'll finally gain representation in a game. Also Salmon.

Sign me up as an Ooze Dinosaur!

The fish joke made me smile, because it almost seems plausible that some developer somewhere has had that conversation.

How have they never seen a "woman" before? I mean, it's not like they are endangered or not-existant in real-life.
Also,that book is wrong. "Women" are said to be closely related to felines, not crustaceans.

Off topic: I cannot believe I just read all the youtube comments.

Great sketch as always!

For all we know this is exactly what happened at the offices of Ubisoft when making the new Assassin Creed game

Maybe those guys are just not allowed out of the office when making games so they never get to interact with women and have never googled the word boobs before

-M

Ovispositor jiggle physics.. I laughed way too hard at that one.

Eric the Orange:
Oh god, gender politics in gaming! Duck and cover people this is not a drill! get to your flame bunkers!

OK, seriously I hope this comment section doesn't devolve into the usual arguments. There are plenty of threads made specifically about the topic that we don't have to turn the comments section of a comedy video into another one.

Why are you White Knighting, you SJW White Knight? Won't somebody think of the salmon?

Trilandian:

DirgeNovak:
Also, congratulations to Graham and Kathleen who got married on Saturday! :D

Fo' reelz? Hot dang! Congrats to the Stark couple!

You know they're just trying to populate the Moonbase with more Starks. Security and all.

Lvl 64 Klutz:
The fish joke made me smile, because it almost seems plausible that some developer somewhere has had that conversation.

Back when the Xbox 360 came out, I can swear there was at least one developer sincerely hyping their game with talk of individualized blades of grass. The conversations that had to have led to that are at least as amazing as the fish conversations.

That's adorable. And for all those poor devils that can't afford advocates and have to go for public defenders: do you really want those guys to be the ones animating and writing your video game-women?

I mean, I definitely do. Those women sound awesome.

The Grim Ace:

Lvl 64 Klutz:
The fish joke made me smile, because it almost seems plausible that some developer somewhere has had that conversation.

Back when the Xbox 360 came out, I can swear there was at least one developer sincerely hyping their game with talk of individualized blades of grass. The conversations that had to have led to that are at least as amazing as the fish conversations.

Yes, that was Molyneux for Fable II.
And lo and behold, it was bullshit.

Are you allowed to show ovi-positors? Surely that would get your game a higher age rating.

I get the feeling the ghost-bear farmalock would be slightly OP.

Aw, now I feel sorry for game dev's PR men who have to answer these kinds of questions. I liked how the fish discussion kept on building and building and it still felt like something that would happen in the real world.

Namechangeday:
How have they never seen a "woman" before? I mean, it's not like they are endangered or not-existant in real-life.
Also,that book is wrong. "Women" are said to be closely related to felines, not crustaceans.

Off topic: I cannot believe I just read all the youtube comments.

Great sketch as always!

let me guess: they were typically awful. That's why I usually don't read comments under a YouTube video, the sheer amount of stupid causes my brain to want to eject itself from my skull.

DirgeNovak:


Also, congratulations to Graham and Kathleen who got married on Saturday! :D

What They did? Hooray! Cheers to the happy couple!
Now I forget when they announced the wedding.

Namechangeday:
How have they never seen a "woman" before? I mean, it's not like they are endangered or not-existant in real-life.
Also,that book is wrong. "Women" are said to be closely related to felines, not crustaceans.

Off topic: I cannot believe I just read all the youtube comments.

Great sketch as always!

Saw this sketch early today. LOVED IT! :D

DirgeNovak:


Also, congratulations to Graham and Kathleen who got married on Saturday! :D

Really? :D Well congrats to them!

Yeah, Seems a likely scenario.

I wonder what would happen if "Are women playable?" was asked at every gaming presentation interview?

Rebel_Raven:

I wonder what would happen if "Are women playable?" was asked at every gaming presentation interview?

Women would be playable in a great many more games.

-m

Aardvaarkman:

Trilandian:

DirgeNovak:
Also, congratulations to Graham and Kathleen who got married on Saturday! :D

Fo' reelz? Hot dang! Congrats to the Stark couple!

You know they're just trying to populate the Moonbase with more Starks. Security and all.

There must always be a Stark in Winterfell The Moonbase.

and congrats to Graham and Kathleen on their wedding.

DirgeNovak:
Also, congratulations to Graham and Kathleen who got married on Saturday! :D

I see Kathleen is wearing a wedding ring in the video but Graham isn't. Clearly this relationship has some commitment issues.

Makabriel:
Ovispositor jiggle physics.. I laughed way too hard at that one.

I feel much better knowing I'm not the only one.

What were they reading?

Conan_Edogawa:

Aardvaarkman:

Trilandian:

Fo' reelz? Hot dang! Congrats to the Stark couple!

You know they're just trying to populate the Moonbase with more Starks. Security and all.

There must always be a Stark in Winterfell The Moonbase.

and congrats to Graham and Kathleen on their wedding.

Beware old men with many daughters. They are not to be trusted, especially within their own home.

Conan_Edogawa:

Aardvaarkman:

Trilandian:

Fo' reelz? Hot dang! Congrats to the Stark couple!

You know they're just trying to populate the Moonbase with more Starks. Security and all.

There must always be a Stark in Winterfell The Moonbase.

and congrats to Graham and Kathleen on their wedding.

Let's just hope that they don't end up like the Winterfell Starks :/

Aardvaarkman:

Trilandian:

DirgeNovak:
Also, congratulations to Graham and Kathleen who got married on Saturday! :D

Fo' reelz? Hot dang! Congrats to the Stark couple!

You know they're just trying to populate the Moonbase with more Starks. Security and all.

If they ever have a kid, please let it be named Eddard/Ned or Catelyn...

i guess thats what ubi was thinking :p

DirgeNovak:


Also, congratulations to Graham and Kathleen who got married on Saturday! :D

It is a brave, brave woman who is willing to show up at a stark wedding.

I hope the dress was red.

Game after game has proven that action games with female leads do not sell well weather you like it or not. And a lot of them are still made. And this includes great ones like Mirror's Edge and Beyond good and evil.
Non-action games with female protagonist are just not at all covered by the Escapist, IGN or even whatever stupid publication decided to ask Ubisoft that question and yet they do turn a hefty profit. And there was an assassin's creed game with a female main character, and it didn't sell.
These people have to make money, you pathetic hippies.

On the other hand GTA San Andreas sold very well as well as GTA 5, I can't recall many other games with African-American protagonists.
Prince of Persia Sands of time series sold well yet no other Arab characters. The only recent one I can recall is Farid from Black Ops 2.
In fact, I can't even recall American games,other than the excellent GTA 4, with other nationalities as main characters while Japan's most famous character is an Italian-American.
But no one talks about the racial inequality in games. Escapist itself has NO non-white staff in the videos or articles as far as I know but they do have women. The Escapist convention, based on videos I saw here, could have been mistaken for a KKK rally with the lack of non-white people there.

Most importantly, remember the last time Ubisoft listened to fans about where the next Assassin's Creed game should be set and who should be the protagonist, we got Assassin's Creed 3. In my opinion, the worst game in the entire series.
And games aren't the only thing where fan input ruins things. Remember Snakes on a Plane? Or an older example, the return of Sherlock Holmes when Aurthur Conan Doyle wanted him dead?

Also the fish thing, it is easy to do. If you knew proper programming you would know something about Design Patterns, use the same basic fish class and define other behavior on top using the Decorator Pattern, done.

soh45400:
Game after game has proven that action games with female leads do not sell well weather you like it or not. And a lot of them are still made. And this includes great ones like Mirror's Edge and Beyond good and evil.

...based on what sales figures? The ones I am looking at show the quoted games selling rather well.

Game protagonists also do not exist in a vacuum either, they can be likeable and whatever gender or nationality you like - but if you drop them into aliens colonial marines the game was going to sell poorly anyway.

I am going to say there are not enough female protagonists in enough variety of games to make a statement like the above.

soh45400:
But no one talks about the racial inequality in games.

Just recently there was a whole debarcle over the most recent far cry cover being released without context. Its actually kind of hard to avoid being labelled racist for some reason or another, low hanging fruit and all.

soh45400:

Escapist itself has NO non-white staff in the videos or articles as far as I know but they do have women. The Escapist convention, based on videos I saw here, could have been mistaken for a KKK rally with the lack of non-white people there.

One sin does not excuse another. (Also is there evidence for this too? I don't know the composition of escapist staff myself...)

soh45400:
These people have to make money, you pathetic hippies.

And yet they insist on biting the hand that feeds the time and time again. Frankly they -shouldn't- be making money. Just saying.

Brilliant sketch. Cam seems like a brilliant production lead :D

Namechangeday:
Off topic: I cannot believe I just read all the youtube comments.

Sweet lord... you are a braver soul than I, spelunking the youtube chasm.

Clankenbeard:
I see Kathleen is wearing a wedding ring in the video but Graham isn't. Clearly this relationship has some commitment issues.

Since this video was released before the wedding to kickstarter backers, I don't think that's a wedding ring just yet.

OT: Great video, my favourite in a while. Now I'm curious as to how differently different types of fish react to falling NPCs.

soh45400:
Game after game has proven that action games with female leads do not sell well weather you like it or not. And a lot of them are still made. And this includes great ones like Mirror's Edge and Beyond good and evil.

Action games with female leads are also under-supported by their own publishers, and are provided, on average, ~40% of the marketing budget of other similar male-led games. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy, not an insurmountable fact.

soh45400:
But no one talks about the racial inequality in games. Escapist itself has NO non-white staff in the videos or articles as far as I know but they do have women. The Escapist convention, based on videos I saw here, could have been mistaken for a KKK rally with the lack of non-white people there.

Except, people do talk about it. Just last week, there was a major outcry within the industry over the hiring of two white men by GiantBomb - leading so significant criticism leveled at mainstream game publications over the white-male homogeneity of staff-writers while non-white and non-male writes frequently struggle in freelance, and have to supplement their income through crowd-funding and outside work. This criticism was, admittedly, led by a number of women, but the focus was very clearly on diversifying the critical voice in several ways, including race, gender, and sexuality.

The mainstream gaming press broadly didn't cover this, but it was the mainstream gaming press that was predominantly under attack, so no surprise.

-m

The video brings up a good point -

What if videogame companies just haven't worked out how to render the textures of women's exoskeletons yet? I mean, that's some next gen processing required for that.

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