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Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Apes With Machine Guns

One of the best action blockbusters this summer.

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"Esc-APE-ist"

Priceless.

I think I'll give this one a shot then. Thanks Bob. :)

The way you started the review out, it sounded like it was shit. good thing it doesn't sound like it.

Do I have to have seen the previous one first?

Glad to hear this one is still good.

I've said before that I feel that great science fiction tends to use the fantastical elements of the setting to tell a modern story, or comment on modern social or ethical dilemma. Rise did a really great job with that and I have high hopes for Dawn.

Moviebob likes it SKIP!

In seriousness the set up for Apes is so, so stupid it makes Transformers look smart which is saying something (just going by the trailers).

As to Man of Steel and Doomsday you've lost that one Bob as Superman Returns showed people are not interested in a Superman film were Superman doesn't punch things.

And there just are not many DC villain's that are powerful and famous enough what with Darkseid being most likely used for a Justice League film.

Seriously Mongul and Despero or Toyman, Parasite and Metallo aren't going to be main film villains.

i wanna see one where the apes get religion...

IanDavis:
Do I have to have seen the previous one first?

Not really. I'm pretty sure that most of the emotional beats (Caesar watching a video of him and Franco with tears in his ape eyes) are pretty easily understood, and I think the rest of the plot holds up on it's own once you accept the basic premise.

OT: Surprised that Bob was so enthusiastic about the first one. I saw it at the time and thought it was good but not as good as Bob paints it. Maybe I'll go rewatch that.

Anyways, I just hope that at some point they do finally do the actual Planet of the Apes movie they are building to. I don't particularly want to see it, but I also don't want an endless stream of prequels.

Sleekit:
i wanna see one where the apes get religion...

That would be practically impossible to pull off without being either condescending or preachy.

I'm still kinda on the fence about this movie. I didn't mind Rise so much, but when I first saw that image of all the apes on horseback dual wielding machine guns, two thoughts immediately came to mind.

First, I hope they have a lot of extra clips on hand because firing a weapon like that full-auto will probably get you a couple seconds of sustained fire.

Second, I am watching apes on horseback dual-wielding machine guns. Am I really supposed to be taking this movie seriously as your review implies? The sheer ridiculousness of it all makes me want to hold on to my money and wait for Guardians of the Galaxy. At least then I'll know that their over-the-top ridiculousness is by design.

I saw the first one and, much as I enjoyed it and held some hope that the sequel would be good as well, something about it just being a sequel had me on the fence. Then Bob talks about the solid, character-driven points that elevate this above common action garbage and suddenly I'm legitimately excited. Thank you Bob for restoring my faith.

MovieBob:
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Apes With Machine Guns

One of the best action blockbusters this summer.

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Does Bob read the comments? Hope so.

As someone who absolutely adored Rise I have to disagree somewhat.

Of course the mere fact that the movie contains a scene with an ape riding a horse firing machine guns probably means it'll still be my favourite film of 2014.

Ape with a machine gun? It's been done:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlk63g_young-justice-episode-13-part-1-2_shortfilms
Timestamp :52 | (and that's entirely coincidental and not at all any attempt to be clever)

I look forward to when this gets a UK release XD I really liked Rise so I'm glad to hear this reboot is continuing

Avaholic03:

Sleekit:
i wanna see one where the apes get religion...

That would be practically impossible to pull off without being either condescending or preachy.

Also, I think Rise already kinda put that possibility to bed. Religion rises out of questions regarding 'where did I come from?' and 'what is my purpose?' For Caesar, and for all of the other apes in this new canon, those questions already have definite answers (i.e. their intelligence, and by extension, they come from human science, which was trying to cure a human disease).

OT: When Bob spent almost half of the review talking about how good the LAST one was, I was certain that he was either building up to, or trying to put off the moment when, he had to admit that he found Dawn to not really measure up. I am very glad this wasn't the case, because golly if I hadn't been getting hyped for this! :D

You know, it's funny, I've watched it several times and I still can't decide if I like Rise. I really like the parts of it that I like, but the parts I don't like really annoy me and I can't decide if what I like about it outweighs what I don't like. But in a way, I guess that's to the film's credit that even a movie curmudgeon like me is trying so hard not to like it and still can't say that he does.
I don't know if I'm going to see the new one in theaters or just wait for it to come out on DVD, though.

Do I need to have watched the first one to better understand this? Or does it work well on its own?

Thunderous Cacophony:

IanDavis:
Do I have to have seen the previous one first?

Anyways, I just hope that at some point they do finally do the actual Planet of the Apes movie they are building to. I don't particularly want to see it, but I also don't want an endless stream of prequels.

Actually I don't know. Tim Burton tried just do an reboot of the Planet of the Apes which failed miserably. We don't really need another one just telling about a bunch of astronauts (none of them Charlton Heston) crash landing on another "alien" planet only to discover... (spoiler to 50 year old movie deleted) After all the original is still pretty great even if the effects don't hold up.

I haven't seen the new Apes movie yet, but I'm happy with them doing their own thing of contemporary humans vs intelligent apes. If you look at the original movies they started with the end and then worked their way back through history to show how they got there (I think chronologically the order was something like 3,4,5,1,2), I think here is actually interesting to start at the beginning; at least makes it feel different.

So the new smash is going to have alternate costumes and not just pallet swaps. Thats awesome news.

youji itami:
In seriousness the set up for Apes is so, so stupid it makes Transformers look smart which is saying something (just going by the trailers).

I feel the same way about this movie series. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt in how the retrovirus works and what it does, the number of apes on the entire planet is significantly less than a million members among all species combined. Even if every ape on the planet got super intelligent and 99.9% of people got wiped out the apes would still be outnumbered 70:1.

And maybe I'm just getting old but machine-gun gorillas on horseback just looks silly rather than awesome.

Will everyone hate me if I point out that we all ready live on a plaint of the apes? In that we live on a plaint ruled by apes. Also shouldn't the humans try and go to a plain? I mean use your evolution to your advantage. Despite what the trailers for the last one said the human body is not "that" weak compared to other grate apes. It's different for sure, but that's what evolution dose.

Hi all,

I'm thinking of going to see this, but neither me or my mate have seen Rise of the Planet of the Apes; I'd like to know, do we need to have seen the first movie for this to make sense or be good?

IanDavis:
Do I have to have seen the previous one first?

I would say it's less a matter of "have to", and more a matter of "should". Not because the story is necessarily going to make more sense, but because Rise was just an awesome movie. The first time Caesar speaks alone is worth the entire watch; there were literally people going "Whoa" in the theater when I saw it.

Edit: Also, as Bob pointed-out in this review: A gorilla beats-up a helicopter. Let me reiterate that; A gorilla beats-up a helicopter. That is not metaphorical, and it is an awesome scene.

Eddie the head:
Despite what the trailers for the last one said the human body is not "that" weak compared to other grate apes. It's different for sure, but that's what evolution dose.

Eh, yes and no. Humans are, barring statistical outliers, significantly weaker (in terms of deliverable force) than most great apes. We simply don't have the musculoskeletal structure to support the same degree of raw strength.

What we do have (speaking in purely physical terms) over pretty much every other animal on Earth though is endurance. The human body is capable of going non-stop for upwards of 15 hours a day with no ill effects whatsoever, and we can work 40+ hours straight if we're willing to push it. There are very, very few animals that can match such a feat, and none of them are remotely near our size. That's one of the reasons why humanity evolved on the plains as a matter of fact; we could successfully hunt simply by walking our prey to death.

I'm not sure if I'll like this one. I didn't like the one before it for one reason above all else: I hate movies whose whole plot is dependent on everyone being an idiot. Every major part of the plot was basically the direct result of someone being an idiot in action or inaction. For the protagonists father (can't even remember his name) that's one thing, given his illness, for everyone else (especially a genius scientist and the suit who hired him) that's much less so.

It really takes my enjoyment out of a movie when the character sticking to basic safety protocols or using elementary deductive reasoning stops everything from happening.

Also: killing Rodney, that's like 7 sins right there. Ding

Johnson McGee:

youji itami:
In seriousness the set up for Apes is so, so stupid it makes Transformers look smart which is saying something (just going by the trailers).

I feel the same way about this movie series. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt in how the retrovirus works and what it does, the number of apes on the entire planet is significantly less than a million members among all species combined. Even if every ape on the planet got super intelligent and 99.9% of people got wiped out the apes would still be outnumbered 70:1.

And maybe I'm just getting old but machine-gun gorillas on horseback just looks silly rather than awesome.

It does say a lot when the original 70's series comes up with a better way for apes to overtake humans by being mass breed worldwide as a pet/servant/slave labour force while the human population declines due to decreasing childbirth for why there are more apes than people.

Just look at the breeding rate of natural apes

Gorilla's

Females mature at 10-12 years (earlier in captivity); males at 11-13 years. A female's first ovulatory cycle occurs when she is six years of age, and is followed by a two-year period of adolescent infertility.[38] The estrous cycle last 30-33 days, with outward ovulation signs subtle compared to those of chimpanzees. The gestation period lasts 8.5 months. Female mountain gorillas first give birth at 10 years of age and have four-year inter-birth intervals.

Orangutan's

Female orangutans experience their first ovulatory cycle around 5.8-11.1 years. These occur earlier in females with more body fat.[35] Like other great apes, female orangutans enter a period of infertility during adolescence which may last for 1-4 years.[35] Female orangutans also have a 22- to 30-day menstrual cycle. Gestation lasts for 9 months, with females giving birth to their first offspring between the ages of 14 and 15 years. Female orangutan's have eight-year intervals between births, the longest inter-birth intervals among the great apes.

Chimpanzee's

In captivity, where they receive regular nutrition, female chimpanzees may reach sexual maturity between the ages of nine and 10 years. In the wild, it may take female chimpanzees an additional three to four years before they can produce young. Males can sire young at the age of 16. After a successful mating, the female will be pregnant for between 230 and 240 days. The offspring may stay with its mother for up to three years. There may be a gap of five to six years between one baby and the next for a female chimpanzee.

At most any single original female ape world have had only 2 offspring none of which would have there own offspring within the 10 year gap between this and the first film so the population of intelligent apes would not even double in the intervening decade.

Oh Bob, I thought you were going to go with "Bob Chimpman" in your outro credits!

Wait, what's this crap about Doomsday? Are they trying to cram Doomsday into Man of Steel 2: Superman v. Batman v. the Board of Education?

Triaed:
Oh Bob, I thought you were going to go with "Bob Chimpman" in your outro credits!

Ha! I'd have laughed.

LaoJim:

Thunderous Cacophony:
Anyways, I just hope that at some point they do finally do the actual Planet of the Apes movie they are building to. I don't particularly want to see it, but I also don't want an endless stream of prequels.

Actually I don't know. Tim Burton tried just do an reboot of the Planet of the Apes which failed miserably. We don't really need another one just telling about a bunch of astronauts (none of them Charlton Heston) crash landing on another "alien" planet only to discover... (spoiler to 50 year old movie deleted) After all the original is still pretty great even if the effects don't hold up.

I haven't seen the new Apes movie yet, but I'm happy with them doing their own thing of contemporary humans vs intelligent apes. If you look at the original movies they started with the end and then worked their way back through history to show how they got there (I think chronologically the order was something like 3,4,5,1,2), I think here is actually interesting to start at the beginning; at least makes it feel different.

True, it does have a different feeling, and it's nice to see them changing it up. I just look at the ridiculously long titles and I know that the studio wants to make as much money as possible out of the "Planet of the Apes" part. The original is still great, but given that they are going to remake it eventually as part of this cycle, I want them to do it, finish a set number of movies, and put the franchise back to rest, rather than dragging it out as long as possible and ending up with no juice and less funding.

Zontar:
Also: killing Rodney, that's like 7 sins right there. Ding

"Zontar referenced a fantastic series that isn't on the Escapist. Doesn't this comment section know anything about product placement?" Ding

Agayek:

Eddie the head:
Despite what the trailers for the last one said the human body is not "that" weak compared to other grate apes. It's different for sure, but that's what evolution dose.

Eh, yes and no. Humans are, barring statistical outliers, significantly weaker (in terms of deliverable force) than most great apes. We simply don't have the musculoskeletal structure to support the same degree of raw strength.

Well it's a good thing I wasn't talking about "raw" strength then. A high endurance is a type of strength, but whatever I'm not going to start arguing over semantics.

youji itami:

Johnson McGee:

youji itami:
In seriousness the set up for Apes is so, so stupid it makes Transformers look smart which is saying something (just going by the trailers).

I feel the same way about this movie series. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt in how the retrovirus works and what it does, the number of apes on the entire planet is significantly less than a million members among all species combined. Even if every ape on the planet got super intelligent and 99.9% of people got wiped out the apes would still be outnumbered 70:1.

And maybe I'm just getting old but machine-gun gorillas on horseback just looks silly rather than awesome.

It does say a lot when the original 70's series comes up with a better way for apes to overtake humans by being mass breed worldwide as a pet/servant/slave labour force while the human population declines due to decreasing childbirth for why there are more apes than people.

Just look at the breeding rate of natural apes

Gorilla's

Females mature at 10-12 years (earlier in captivity); males at 11-13 years. A female's first ovulatory cycle occurs when she is six years of age, and is followed by a two-year period of adolescent infertility.[38] The estrous cycle last 30-33 days, with outward ovulation signs subtle compared to those of chimpanzees. The gestation period lasts 8.5 months. Female mountain gorillas first give birth at 10 years of age and have four-year inter-birth intervals.

Orangutan's

Female orangutans experience their first ovulatory cycle around 5.8-11.1 years. These occur earlier in females with more body fat.[35] Like other great apes, female orangutans enter a period of infertility during adolescence which may last for 1-4 years.[35] Female orangutans also have a 22- to 30-day menstrual cycle. Gestation lasts for 9 months, with females giving birth to their first offspring between the ages of 14 and 15 years. Female orangutan's have eight-year intervals between births, the longest inter-birth intervals among the great apes.

Chimpanzee's

In captivity, where they receive regular nutrition, female chimpanzees may reach sexual maturity between the ages of nine and 10 years. In the wild, it may take female chimpanzees an additional three to four years before they can produce young. Males can sire young at the age of 16. After a successful mating, the female will be pregnant for between 230 and 240 days. The offspring may stay with its mother for up to three years. There may be a gap of five to six years between one baby and the next for a female chimpanzee.

At most any single original female ape world have had only 2 offspring none of which would have there own offspring within the 10 year gap between this and the first film so the population of intelligent apes would not even double in the intervening decade.

I thought a nuclear war also factored in to the original's backstory, what with the ruined Statue of Liberty that Charlton Heston was screaming about blowing up.
OT: This movie won't have a blatant "SCIENCE BAD" message to it, will it? The TV spots I watched had this one scene of a woman saying the apes aren't at fault, but "scientists in a lab". I at least hope there's some reference to the "future" movies, and Caesar's mate being named Cornelia has caught my trivia-driven fanboy attention.

Thunderous Cacophony:
True, it does have a different feeling, and it's nice to see them changing it up. I just look at the ridiculously long titles and I know that the studio wants to make as much money as possible out of the "Planet of the Apes" part. The original is still great, but given that they are going to remake it eventually as part of this cycle, I want them to do it, finish a set number of movies, and put the franchise back to rest, rather than dragging it out as long as possible and ending up with no juice and less funding.

Agree about the silly titles (and am I the only one who is going to be eternally referring to Lara's new adventure as "Rise of the Planet of the Tomb Raider).

I think they can have a well rounded out series. I don't know what happens in the current movie, but a reasonable arc might be.

1) Humans on top, apes are treated badly
2) Starts with humans/apes at peace and equal, war begins.
3) All out war, humans end up as slaves (nuclear war possible at some point, also how humans stop talking)
4) Generations pass. Humans fight back, some kind of balance is returned to the force.

Depending on how far they've got in 2 then maybe 3 and 4 could be one movie. Knowing studios 1-3 will be one trilogy then 4 will be extended into another trilogy. They don't particularly need a spaceship turning up though a wormhole.

Darth_Payn:

youji itami:
[quote="Johnson McGee" post="6.855104.21171069"][quote="youji itami" post="6.855104.21170547"].

I thought a nuclear war also factored in to the original's backstory, what with the ruined Statue of Liberty that Charlton Heston was screaming about blowing up.
OT: This movie won't have a blatant "SCIENCE BAD" message to it, will it? The TV spots I watched had this one scene of a woman saying the apes aren't at fault, but "scientists in a lab". I at least hope there's some reference to the "future" movies, and Caesar's mate being named Cornelia has caught my trivia-driven fanboy attention.

That was retconed with the 4th film once they realised that global nuclear war would you know kill apes as well as humans.

SeeDarkly_Xero:
Ape with a machine gun? It's been done:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlk63g_young-justice-episode-13-part-1-2_shortfilms
Timestamp :52 | (and that's entirely coincidental and not at all any attempt to be clever)

But not dual wielding like Bob said :D

I think I will go see this, I liked the first one okay, so this should be something i will enjoy too.

I'm afraid I fall on the silly rather than cool side of the fence with this one. I also wasn't a big fan of the first. The bits it did well were great but it was trying so hard to be serious and then every so often it would undermine its hard work with its terrible, terrible caricature villains.

Thunderous Cacophony:

Zontar:
Also: killing Rodney, that's like 7 sins right there. Ding

"Zontar referenced a fantastic series that isn't on the Escapist. Doesn't this comment section know anything about product placement?" Ding

Referencing somebody elses reference for humourous effect. Ding

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