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Avengers, Represent

Was that time he turned into a frog because of SJW's too?

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Ok I don't know who Angela is so that doesn't mean much to me. As to Marvel's attempts at diversity in general I have to question why they're messing around with their established characters instead of creating new ones. Probably because the former is less work.

canadamus_prime:
Ok I don't know who Angela is so that doesn't mean much to me. As to Marvel's attempts at diversity in general I have to question why they're messing around with their established characters instead of creating new ones. Probably because the former is less work.

"Hey, should we make an original female and an original african american character?"

"Nah, just gender swap Thor and make the Cap black. That'll make us look diverse enough for a while."

Also, Erin's face in the third panel is priceless.

*sad face. I like Angela! Was one of the many Image comics I collected back in the day.

Hunter85792:
"Hey, should we make an original female and an original african american character?"

"Nah, just gender swap Thor and make the Cap black. That'll make us look diverse enough for a while."

Also, Erin's face in the third panel is priceless.

The Captain America thing seems fine because it's not some random new guy taking over the role: It's the Falcon, who is an established ally of Cap. This isn't the first time Steve Rogers has stepped down and handed the shield to somebody else. That specific swap could easily be an intentional part of character development by writers.

The "random unknown character is suddenly Thor" thing is almost certainly just intentionally gimmicky newsmaking though.

canadamus_prime:
Ok I don't know who Angela is so that doesn't mean much to me.k.

shes from SHHHHPAWWWWWN!!!

the most intellectually stimulating comic ever

Falterfire:
The Captain America thing seems fine because it's not some random new guy taking over the role: It's the Falcon, who is an established ally of Cap. This isn't the first time Steve Rogers has stepped down and handed the shield to somebody else. That specific swap could easily be an intentional part of character development by writers.

The "random unknown character is suddenly Thor" thing is almost certainly just intentionally gimmicky newsmaking though.

Gimmicky newsmaking?!?! From Marvel? (Even though their movie division is all but printing money right now.) Not those guys.
Still I'm waiting for the new Falcon comic with Steven Colbert as the Falcon.
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2014/07/stephen-colbert-flies-high-as-marvels-all-new-falcon/
Real or not, I demand this happen. They wouldn't let him be president they could at least let him have this damnit.

Falterfire:

Hunter85792:
"Hey, should we make an original female and an original african american character?"

"Nah, just gender swap Thor and make the Cap black. That'll make us look diverse enough for a while."

Also, Erin's face in the third panel is priceless.

The Captain America thing seems fine because it's not some random new guy taking over the role: It's the Falcon, who is an established ally of Cap. This isn't the first time Steve Rogers has stepped down and handed the shield to somebody else. That specific swap could easily be an intentional part of character development by writers.

The "random unknown character is suddenly Thor" thing is almost certainly just intentionally gimmicky newsmaking though.

Well yeah, agreed about Captain America.

But the Thor things is just too weird. Same name, same appearance, just with ovaries. I mean you'd think they might want to give her a bit of a distinct personality or something... unless this is just going to be immediately retconned in 12 months.

Look out Iron Man, I don't know what they're going to do to you but your ass is next.

Roganzar:

Falterfire:
The Captain America thing seems fine because it's not some random new guy taking over the role: It's the Falcon, who is an established ally of Cap. This isn't the first time Steve Rogers has stepped down and handed the shield to somebody else. That specific swap could easily be an intentional part of character development by writers.

The "random unknown character is suddenly Thor" thing is almost certainly just intentionally gimmicky newsmaking though.

Gimmicky newsmaking?!?! From Marvel? (Even though their movie division is all but printing money right now.) Not those guys.
Still I'm waiting for the new Falcon comic with Steven Colbert as the Falcon.
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2014/07/stephen-colbert-flies-high-as-marvels-all-new-falcon/
Real or not, I demand this happen. They wouldn't let him be president they could at least let him have this damnit.

Would auto-subscribe to that. :)

I thought they just got Angela so that Marvel/Neil Gaiman(sp?) could just piss off Todd Macfarlane?

I wonder if the legal battle coming from Jack Kirby's estate over rights to characters he created/helped create has something to do with Marvel's changing the guard at this particular time. Even if that does have something to do with it Marvel can't do this with all of the characters he created--there are too many of them.

OT: I disagree with the assertion that Angela is there to appeal to morons: The way she's always been drawn--with as little clothing as possible--makes her primarily eye-candy for adolescent boys. Even more so than most female comic book characters, I mean. ;)

Burnouts3s3:
I thought they just got Angela so that Marvel/Neil Gaiman(sp?) could just piss off Todd Macfarlane?

Yep. ^_^

canadamus_prime:
Ok I don't know who Angela is so that doesn't mean much to me.

They literally explain the joke below the strip.

As to Marvel's attempts at diversity in general I have to question why they're messing around with their established characters instead of creating new ones. Probably because the former is less work.

Thor and Cap have been retooled dozens of times, sometimes even being played by different people. The only thing that's different this time is that Thor's got boobs. Even Black Cap has sorta been done before. By the same guy. In the 60s. Hell, Iron Man's getting a retool right now, too, and as far as we know he's still Tony Stark. Though Iron Man was black for a while, too.

Roganzar:

Gimmicky newsmaking?!?! From Marvel? (Even though their movie division is all but printing money right now.) Not those guys.

In fact, it's so common that one wonders why Thor getting a uterus is even worthy of the statement.

Vault101:

shes from SHHHHPAWWWWWN!!!

the most intellectually stimulating comic ever

Well, she was very "stimulating" to a lot of folks' "intellects."

The whole Thor is now a lady sounds silly (unless it's the regular Thor who has gone through a sex change, which i understand it is not).
Like someone being given an Iron Man armor and being told "You are now Tony Stark"

As for Falcon as Captain America, eh, depends how they do it.

Personally though, i'd have preferred an Avengers team with Falcon being Falcon, and some uber powerful thundergod woman being an uber powerful thundergod woman without taking in a name from someone else.
Pele? Oya?Probably not Whaitiri due to the whole cannibalism thing...
hmmm, there seems to be a rather severe shortage of thunder goddesses, wikipedia gave me just 6.
Bronte or Astrape maybe, but they seem more of Zeus's servant gods than their own actors.

Copper Zen:
I wonder if the legal battle coming from Jack Kirby's estate over rights to characters he created/helped create has something to do with Marvel's changing the guard at this particular time.

But didn't he have a hand in creating many of the new lineup, too? Seems like that would kill this.

I love Falcon, I love him so much that the idea of him becoming Captain America is insulting to me. If you want Cap to retire, or to temporarily replace him with a black character then I prefer it be some new character introduced for this purpose. OR, you bring back Isaiah Bradley and have him take up the mantle again. Hell Patriot getting aged up to become Cap would also be cool.

As For Thor. Well Since Thor isn't losing his name, someone else is just going to be calling themselves Thor also this is going to be very confusing. We'll be having Non powered Thor Odinson, and Powered Female Thor.

nyysjan:

hmmm, there seems to be a rather severe shortage of thunder goddesses, wikipedia gave me just 6.

Yeah, but since they didn't go too well SJWs decided just to steal Thor's fame instead of doing something original from scratch. Seems like they needed a gift from the blonde white men to actually have something.

canadamus_prime:
Ok I don't know who Angela is so that doesn't mean much to me. As to Marvel's attempts at diversity in general I have to question why they're messing around with their established characters instead of creating new ones. Probably because the former is less work.

Because if they don't modify their existing characters then even the illusion that their characters are making progress is broken.

Thor's been swapped out before: Red Norvell, Beta Ray Bill, Eric Master, just to name a few. This is just the first time he's swapped out for a woman. Caps also has a half dozen or so alternates. The serum has been removed from his body on several occasions. Iron Man has been several people, and non-entities like Robots before. I suspect Superior Iron Man is a Robot from Avenges AI at the moment.

If they didn't do things like this you'd realize that individual character development has never occurred.

Eh, give it a few months and they'll go back to usual again.

As a plausible Moron I'm offended by the idea I like Angela from Spawn.... I'd rather have Angela from Gargoyles.... Come on.... Disney's Gargoyles ought to be in the Marvel Universe.... Or better yet instead of either Angela how about Maggie from the Mutates who were also in Disney's Gargoyles?

Winnosh:
I love Falcon, I love him so much that the idea of him becoming Captain America is insulting to me. If you want Cap to retire, or to temporarily replace him with a black character then I prefer it be some new character introduced for this purpose. OR, you bring back Isaiah Bradley and have him take up the mantle again. Hell Patriot getting aged up to become Cap would also be cool.

As For Thor. Well Since Thor isn't losing his name, someone else is just going to be calling themselves Thor also this is going to be very confusing. We'll be having Non powered Thor Odinson, and Powered Female Thor.

Actually, I think Thor still has his power. He just doesn't have his hammer anymore. I hear he's got an axe now though, so he should be fine. ;D

OT: Liking Marvel mixing things up a bit. Should be neat to see where it goes. Plus, with the new Cap. A. formerly being the Falcon, they have a way to replace Cap in the movies when his actor quits.

Then we get a black Captain America, :D who can fly! (Seriously. If they make the Falcon give up his wings to be Cap, that would be a waste. ;p

Vault101:

canadamus_prime:
Ok I don't know who Angela is so that doesn't mean much to me.k.

shes from SHHHHPAWWWWWN!!!

the most intellectually stimulating comic ever

Are you trying to say a story about a mercenary who gets killed, ends up working for a demon/the devil, feeds on evil, and fights God who is in the form of an old woman is dumb? xD

Because don't you think it speaks for itself? ;p

As for Erin's manner? xD Well Grey, he works with what you give him.

Hunter85792:

Falterfire:

Hunter85792:
"Hey, should we make an original female and an original african american character?"

"Nah, just gender swap Thor and make the Cap black. That'll make us look diverse enough for a while."

Also, Erin's face in the third panel is priceless.

The Captain America thing seems fine because it's not some random new guy taking over the role: It's the Falcon, who is an established ally of Cap. This isn't the first time Steve Rogers has stepped down and handed the shield to somebody else. That specific swap could easily be an intentional part of character development by writers.

The "random unknown character is suddenly Thor" thing is almost certainly just intentionally gimmicky newsmaking though.

Well yeah, agreed about Captain America.

But the Thor things is just too weird. Same name, same appearance, just with ovaries. I mean you'd think they might want to give her a bit of a distinct personality or something... unless this is just going to be immediately retconned in 12 months.

Really? Having Thor lose his hammer and it going to a woman is too weird?

This is Marvel. Have you seen the things they have done!

Plus, they have had a female Thor before, just like they had a black Captain America before.
For Marvel, this isn't all that new.

And as I showed you, they can get WAY weirder. xD

We dont yet know this person is a random character she could be someone special. They just havent revealed it yet so until the reveal people should wait and then make there claim.

I watched a few episodes of Spawn when I was little, all I remember is lots and lots of ang/st/er but not much else... but Angela has nice legs I guess... yay.

canadamus_prime:
Ok I don't know who Angela is so that doesn't mean much to me. As to Marvel's attempts at diversity in general I have to question why they're messing around with their established characters instead of creating new ones. Probably because the former is less work.

Also because you have an established fanbase, rather than some new character nobody has ever heard about, so you don't reallyhave to worry so much about it being cancelled due to lack of popularity - or at least, not nearly to the extent as you would have with a new character. Plus, draws former readers back to print, and it gives continuity nut something to masturbate to while they make a web of connections that nobody but themselves can read.

Hunter85792:
But the Thor things is just too weird. Same name, same appearance, just with ovaries. I mean you'd think they might want to give her a bit of a distinct personality or something... unless this is just going to be immediately retconned in 12 months.

Well she is taking up the mantle of an already-established position, a god, specifically, so I imagine that she doesn't get to bedazzle her armour, use a laser rifle, or change the name. Gotta fit the part, you know? Same thing happened to Thor in the past, just not with somebody who had breasts.

rbstewart7263:
We don't yet know this person is a random character she could be someone special. They just havent revealed it yet so until the reveal people should wait and then make there claim.

Yeah, there was an interview with someone on the comic who said it's someone from the comics and that there are clues to who it is in the previous comics.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54083

My guess is they are calling her Thor because

1. She's kind of taking (male)Thor's job.

And 2. Because even Odin doesn't know who she is, so they just call her the name on Mjolnir.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/462/83017-176623-mjolnir.jpg

Hunter85792:
But the Thor things is just too weird. Same name, same appearance, just with ovaries. I mean you'd think they might want to give her a bit of a distinct personality or something... unless this is just going to be immediately retconned in 12 months.

I'm going to have to agree with Imp Emissary here: Thor becoming a woman is, like, Tuesday in the Marvel Universe. I mean, come on, there was a frigging space horse called Beta Ray Bill who also had the power of Thor.

canadamus_prime:
Ok I don't know who Angela is so that doesn't mean much to me. As to Marvel's attempts at diversity in general I have to question why they're messing around with their established characters instead of creating new ones. Probably because the former is less work.

Also because, comics being comics, new characters don't get even close to the amount of attention that old ones do. Team books are great for having a diverse lineup of characters who might not be able to hold their own solo series - it's what Young Avengers and Mighty Avengers are for - but a new character in a new solo series is probably going to get cancelled within a year. Changing who holds the name Captain America, not for the first time I might add, sends a much stronger message than just creating a new character who's almost inevitably doomed to obscurity.

Whatever argument people use to explain why Cap has been race-swapped seems bogged by the fact that they gender-swapped Thor as well at exactly the same time. Come on people, I know there's a canon reason for ANYTHING if you want to nitpick a comic, but think about the WHY, not the HOW for 2 seconds.

Falterfire:

Hunter85792:
"Hey, should we make an original female and an original african american character?"

"Nah, just gender swap Thor and make the Cap black. That'll make us look diverse enough for a while."

Also, Erin's face in the third panel is priceless.

The Captain America thing seems fine because it's not some random new guy taking over the role: It's the Falcon, who is an established ally of Cap. This isn't the first time Steve Rogers has stepped down and handed the shield to somebody else. That specific swap could easily be an intentional part of character development by writers.

The "random unknown character is suddenly Thor" thing is almost certainly just intentionally gimmicky newsmaking though.

Yeah, but it makes the feminists all happy about it, because switching out the race or gender of a character arbitrarily always makes them better, as long as you don't turn them white or male.

Shakesville was going on and on about how great it was that they were making Thor a woman the day it was announced, for example.

Was there this kind of uproar when Carol Danvers became Captain Marvel? Did the original Captain Marvel just suck that much?

It's not like Captain American has never been filled in by a black person before, or any handful of characters replaced by other gender/race in all of the Marvel Universe, but it really seems like the negative reaction is really over blown.

All I can think of is that it's mostly people (predominantly white men) who don't regularly read the comics and mostly watch the movies who are pissed about this. It's a really ballsy move to use two characters that are active in the Marvel movie universe, it has reached the non-comic book reading audience that otherwise would have not cared.

Thor isn't becoming a woman.

Another, new character, is being given the title of Thor.

Regular Thor will still be named Thor.

Johnny Novgorod:
Whatever argument people use to explain why Cap has been race-swapped seems bogged by the fact that they gender-swapped Thor as well at exactly the same time. Come on people, I know there's a canon reason for ANYTHING if you want to nitpick a comic, but think about the WHY, not the HOW for 2 seconds.

"Why" I think is very easy. Because different writers will come in and act like their manure doesn't stink. Then others writers will come in & eventually undo said manure. Then If & When the next writers after that come in with their own manure that they think doesn't stink you'll at least have a fan base that will point to previous different writers manure & declaring it to be okay.

So on some level if Bruce Wayne were to decide to become Pedobear there would at least be a fan base that would point at Robin & declare that its okay because they've done this before.

I'm expecting Tumblrites in this comment section throwing a sissyfit over the fact that Trans people aren't represented.

Johnny Novgorod:
Whatever argument people use to explain why Cap has been race-swapped seems bogged by the fact that they gender-swapped Thor as well at exactly the same time. Come on people, I know there's a canon reason for ANYTHING if you want to nitpick a comic, but think about the WHY, not the HOW for 2 seconds.

:D Okay.

Why for Thor(male/female)?
Thor(male) did some bad junk and became "unworthy" of Mjolnir.
What did he do? Well, someone told me he broke a whole bunch of Asgard, helped Loki break into their vault, and generally just caused a lot of misfortune and what not.

How has Thor(female) become "Thor" now?
Well instead of waiting for Thor(male) to get worthy again (like in the movie), it went to someone else. An unnamed woman happens to be the person Mjolnir finds worthy to have it. Apparently the woman is someone from the comics, but we don't know who(not even Okin knows), so they just call her Thor. Thor(male) has a new weapon apparently and I assume is off taking care of business.

Why for Cap being replaced?
Long story short, while saving a country from getting destroyed by a big ass robot, Cap gets hit by some needles right before he saves the day, that remove his super soldier serum, and age him 60 years.
He isn't dead,(i think), but as an 80 man now he can't do much super soldiering.

How does Falcon replace him?
Well....He just does. Puts on some stars and stripes, picks up the old shield, and flies off(hopefully literally ;D) to save the day and what not.
Also heard that he also got some super soldier serum too, but not sure.

Why did these things happen at near the same time?

Because Marvel was bored and this sounded fun?

How did they do it?

Because they're Marvel. They kind of have a history of doing this a lot. ;D

Ronack:
I'm expecting Tumblrites in this comment section throwing a sissyfit over the fact that Trans people aren't represented.

Actually, what's more interesting is that people are so conditioned to white male figures as superheroes, that they can't see any change in race/gender of a character mantle as anything but a gimmick.

Schadrach:

Yeah, but it makes the feminists all happy about it, because switching out the race or gender of a character arbitrarily always makes them better, as long as you don't turn them white or male.

Shakesville was going on and on about how great it was that they were making Thor a woman the day it was announced, for example.

Because eliminating diversity to give white dudes one more extra person to root for next to all eleventy billion they have already is totally equivalent to losing one white dude from all the eleventy billion they have to root for to give more diversity.

Losing that one white dude from the eleventy billion hurts the white dudes so much more. Wont everybody feel the white dudes pain?

RA92:

Ronack:
I'm expecting Tumblrites in this comment section throwing a sissyfit over the fact that Trans people aren't represented.

Actually, what's more interesting is that people are so conditioned to white male figures as superheroes, that they can't see any change in race/gender of a character mantle as anything but a gimmick.

There's a trans character in the recent batgirl run, and the new creative team on it are promise more LGBT represntation.

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