Jimquisition: Corrupt, Censoring, Suicidal Indie Devs

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Corrupt, Censoring, Suicidal Indie Devs

You'd think big publishers want to silence critics, but no. Sadly, the indie world spawns the most corrupt individuals, and it makes even the good guys look bad.

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Jim, I know Konami blacklisted you, but did even they go so far as to try and have your negative reviews taken down?

Well that was easily one of my favourite build ups to the "thank God for me" line. Maybe it is this juvenile, maybe it is just because their feelings being hurt. At least big developers are just that, big, so that anything they say will have to go through some some uninterested PR person. The smaller you are, the more raw your nerves are.

Censorship of valid criticism is bullshit, and indie devs who try that deserve a good spanking.
Thank god for you Jim, for exposing fuckwits.

Very nice. It is important to be able to take valid criticism if you want your work to ever improve, or have a chance at being better. Attempting to silence your work from criticism still leaves you with a product not worth the players, or the buyers time.

Let's try and remember though that these are in fact rogues and not representative of the entire indie development teams...

At least they aren't a strong representative of Indie development quite yet. It's never too late for it to become all too common to be ignored as to common a norm.

IMO, the most remarkable thing about the false copyright takedowns (after the first one) is that after clear proof that it does not work, and that the repercussions of such an act may well be the demise thier game and studio, is that they went and tried it anyway.

Bad idea: Antagonizing the review editor of a major publication.

Did anyone think of Cobra (GI Joe)? Cobra studios could be a an attempt by Cobra commander to take over the world through video games. Man that sounds stupid.

OT: Censorship on the internet won't work unless the individual doing it controls it as well. So yeah we maybe hearing stories of indie devs behaving like this for a long time.

This whole video game industry nonsense is a microcosm of what's wrong with the U.S.'s unregulated market. But that's me being political.

Well thought-out and insightful episode, Jim!

To be fair, Best of Steam Greenlight is not criticism. It's comedy. It's pisstaking. I'm not saying that justifies abuse of Youtube's system, but when your content consists of taking the piss out of someone else's work without any constructive analysis, then I feel it would be best to be a bit more mild about potential backlash, kind of like what Retsupurae does with their content (they take it down themselves immediately if the target objects to it).

tm96:
Did anyone think of Cobra (GI Joe)? Cobra studios could be a an attempt by Cobra commander to take over the world through video games. Man that sounds stupid.

I was waiting for Jim to make a Cobra Commander joke, especially at the end. Alas, a missed opportunity.

HA! xD The *scary voice* "And I'm going to crush you." part was awesome.

I was wondering what you were going to do for this to make it not just the same thing as the last time someone did this.

Glad you took the chance to update us on what happened to the older offenders. :)

Thank God for you, Jim.

I guess the bright side of this is the channels these devs try to silence get extra material instead.

xD Fools!

Am I the only one finding it ironic that Sterling is making an argument about censorship on a website that remove your comment for simply asking "Why"?

EnterElysium also posted a video in support of you this morning Jim.

Anyway, Thank God For Jim in this matter and we can only hope that this trend dies off sooner or later. When there are enough scare stories about this kind of BS hopefully the bad eggs in the indie industry will stop trying use censorship as an easy way out.

Goliath100:
Am I the only one finding it ironic that Sterling is making an argument about censorship on a website that remove your comment for simply asking "Why"?

Probably, especially if your comment was literally just the word "Why".

Carnagath:
To be fair, Best of Steam Greenlight is not criticism. It's comedy. It's pisstaking. I'm not saying that justifies abuse of Youtube's system, but when your content consists of taking the piss out of someone else's work without any constructive analysis, then I feel it would be best to be a bit more mild about potential backlash, kind of like what Retsupurae does with their content (they take it down themselves immediately if the target objects to it).

Fair point, but Kobra did not behave in a manner that could be truthfully said to be "mild"; as the episode made clear, a copyright takedown is a unilateral action with serious consequences for the channel that it is used against - three strikes and the channel will be completely deleted.

The channel has no defense, other than to I) file a counter-claim and hope that Youtube bureaucracy finds in its favour, II) fight it in court or III) lay back and take it, always mindful that it only has to happen two more times before it's curtains. Only this time, Jim decided to take the fourth option: mobilize outrage at the grassroots level in order to expose Kobra's own wrongdoing, and to shame it into backing down.

It's the nuclear option, basically, and once Kobra decided to exercise it, it'd better be prepared for the fallout.

DataSnake:
Jim, I know Konami blacklisted you, but did even they go so far as to try and have your negative reviews taken down?

Seeing as he brought them up while saying, "Not even those AAA A-holes tried this crap", I'm guessing they didn't.

<.< Unless they blanked out Jim's memory of it.
Though, if they has such technology, they'd probably use it to make us forget that Silent Hill 2 remake. ;p

A Dev dumb and lazy enough to steal thier own avatar was dumb and lazy enough to make a crap video of a bad looking game which they were dumb and lazy enough to try to ban critism of... say it aint so.

Still livens up my afternoon to hear about another idiot developer I should avoid.

That was probably the most awesome segue into the ending "Thank God for Me" I've ever heard in one of these videos.

wetfart:

tm96:
Did anyone think of Cobra (GI Joe)? Cobra studios could be a an attempt by Cobra commander to take over the world through video games. Man that sounds stupid.

I was waiting for Jim to make a Cobra Commander joke, especially at the end. Alas, a missed opportunity.

Not the stupidest plan Cobra's come up with.
And Jim, I had no idea indie debs could pull such heinous bullshit! I'm more used to the Big Publishers Bad / Indie Studios Good dichotomy (that you yourself have drilled into my mind), but It's surprising to learn it's not that black-and-white after all.

It is always nice to see people like this get what they deserve. Considering all the examples with TB I am suprised anyone thinks they can get away with this.

On a side note everyone really should sub to Jim's youtube channel the stuff he has going on there is hilarious.

"When people hear the name 'Jim Sterling', they think of Jim Sterling. When people hear the name 'Kobra Studios'... they think of Jim Sterling."

BANG BANG

SHOTS FIRED

SOMEONE CALL AN AMBULANCE WE'VE GOT A DEV DOWN

You'd think this would be self evident by now. Besides Jim's you tube channel may be small but he still has a bigger voice in the industry then most youtubers. Clearly a case of not knowing who they were messing with. I just hope those with smaller voices can find ways to deal with such nonsense as well. That's where it stops being farcical on the part of the dev and starts being a little dangerous.

Carnagath:
To be fair, Best of Steam Greenlight is not criticism. It's comedy. It's pisstaking. I'm not saying that justifies abuse of Youtube's system, but when your content consists of taking the piss out of someone else's work without any constructive analysis, then I feel it would be best to be a bit more mild about potential backlash, kind of like what Retsupurae does with their content (they take it down themselves immediately if the target objects to it).

I disagree. It's comedy, yes, but I have a very distinct critical point with the series overall. The series points out problems with, say, bad framerates in conjunction with camera pans. Yeah it's comical, but I *do* consider it criticism, in the same vein as I would with the kind of way Yahtzee does stuff.

Glad to see a Jimquisition episode that tears indie-devs down a peg or two. I've always felt that while the AAA-scene has its problems, the indie-scene also isn't the oasis of creativite drive and artistic integrity some people in the "hardcore" community make it out to be.

Big publishers are stupid, but they're not THAT stupid. They know that it's best to keep most developers FAR away from the media, and those they allow to speak are often given PR training.

Hey indie devs - treating your customers like you would people in some 4chan forum or youtube comments is not how you run a business. That's what you're trying to do, right? Run a business? Not go OUT of business?

Has anyone created a website to publicly black list developers/studios that do this kind of shit?

I would like to bookmark that site.

As an experienced indie developer who is actually making a game (and not a scam), I'm glad these bad actors get called out. So thanks Jim.

On the other hand, I paused the video when you said "You do not start shit with a media personality" and that really struck me.

Because what do you do if a media personality goes out of his way to start shit with you, not because your game is bad (ours is in development so only we've played it) but because you expressed an opinion about the game industry in an unrelated forum/on your blog/etc that media personality didn't like?

Media is the check on bad-actor developers, but who is the check on media personalities with enough twitter followers that they can get away with saying whatever they want even if it's factually false, simply to censor the indie developer's opinion on a random topic.

One media personality with a bug up his butt on some issue can destroy an otherwise hardworking, honest, indie developer and honestly ruin a bunch of people's lives. So be aware of that side too.

So watching and reading through the different sites that have been covering this unfortunate, but hilarious, fallout I've been wondering if cultural misunderstandings factor into some of these issues considering they are Russian devs. I've seen a couple of comments mention similar problems with Russian and other foreign devs. Also a forum board on the Greenlight page was interesting, and again funny, to see playout where a supposed French dev asked for suggestions for his MMORPG and then lashed out at someone's very constructive criticism about grammar in games saying it was pointless advice and that he spoke French, but the guy who posted didn't even know that as it was never previously mentioned. So obviously it probably doesn't help, but curious what your thoughts are on how much that factors to these and similar, but still inexcusable, issues?

tm96:
Did anyone think of Cobra (GI Joe)? Cobra studios could be a an attempt by Cobra commander to take over the world through video games. Man that sounds stupid.

I was half expecting an Angry Joe Corporate commander cameo when I heard the name.

I guess once Ubisoft and EA were finished putting their foot in their mouths, the well ran dry.
While true, this is a very redundant episode.

"Sterling career"

I see what you did, Jim. Well played.

I think one of the biggest reasons we tend to look at big pubs as the problem is that they have so many damn games. It's easier to see a pattern. A lot of the problematic indie devs will have a game or two, far from enough to establish a larger pattern. EA has done so much stupid stuff that every time they take any action, we look at them with scrutiny, but Random Dev Limited? Well, they're only just now releasing "Indie Game 1.1" so we don't have a history to work with.

Also, because everyone's watching EA or Ubisoft or Activision or Konami, that probably further tempers their actions. Which makes you wonder how stupid EA is when they think nobody's looking. But I'm being a touch unfair to EA.

gigastar:
IMO, the most remarkable thing about the false copyright takedowns (after the first one) is that after clear proof that it does not work, and that the repercussions of such an act may well be the demise thier game and studio, is that they went and tried it anyway.

They may have thought it'd work this time. Why?

KDR_11k:
Bad idea: Antagonizing the review editor of a major publication.

These were guys too lazy to bother hiding their plagiarism. I doubt they even bothered to find out who "Jim Sterling" was.

Carnagath:
To be fair, Best of Steam Greenlight is not criticism. It's comedy. It's pisstaking.

Thos are in no way mutually exclusive and, from a quick look at Jim's videos, it looks like he qualifies at least most of the time as criticism or commentary.

Goliath100:
Am I the only one finding it ironic that Sterling is making an argument about censorship on a website that remove your comment for simply asking "Why"?

Actually, they rarely remove comments like that. Worst case, you get a warning and your post is noted as such. But are you seriously comparing removal of criticism to a warning for a glorified +1?

Jimothy Sterling:

Carnagath:
To be fair, Best of Steam Greenlight is not criticism. It's comedy. It's pisstaking. I'm not saying that justifies abuse of Youtube's system, but when your content consists of taking the piss out of someone else's work without any constructive analysis, then I feel it would be best to be a bit more mild about potential backlash, kind of like what Retsupurae does with their content (they take it down themselves immediately if the target objects to it).

I disagree. It's comedy, yes, but I have a very distinct critical point with the series overall. The series points out problems with, say, bad framerates in conjunction with camera pans. Yeah it's comical, but I *do* consider it criticism, in the same vein as I would with the kind of way Yahtzee does stuff.

Well... I mean, any kind of pisstaking can be interpreted as containing some measure of criticism if you really want to force it, but I hope you get my point. Yahtzee's videos have got nothing to do with Best of Steam Greenlight. They are reviews with an emphasis on comedic exaggeration, but if one were to extract that, they would be left with a coherent piece of criticism that often goes in considerable depth. Your series has more in common with Retsupurae's Kickstarter Nonstarters, which is why I mentioned their policy as a fair way to deal with backlash without letting things get too out of hand and bloody, by having an understanding with the targets of your comedy. Because if you don't, you get copyright strikes on one hand and "fuck you, deal with it" 's on the other hand and everyone is miserable.

What about take a Jimquisition and highlight 10 indie games that are good that no one is pay attention to?

Lol. Those last lines. Your so full of shit Jim. Hehehe

The way I see it, triple AAA can be good or bad, nothing extreme (well, it doesn't seem so right now), but Indie Devs can be great or an absolute pain in the ass. With more freedom you can expect to see the best and the worst. I know that's a little too general.

Also, I can't wait to see your Youtube channel now. Those teasers and trailers need a good kick up the bum too.

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