The Big Picture: Stay Classy, San Diego

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Stay Classy, San Diego

MovieBob looks back at San Diego Comic-Con 2014.

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Hmm, oddly enough from the title of this I thought it would be about sexual harassment at Comicon since I've been hearing about about that lately.

I've never seen one of these people Bob was talking about. They're like Dodo's to me. I know they existed but I've never seen one.

Bob your not a film critic your a youtube personality that a small website started to employ at best, GET OVER IT.

Worgen:
Hmm, oddly enough from the title of this I thought it would be about sexual harassment at Comicon since I've been hearing about about that lately.

And I thought this would at least contain a reference to the C&D sent to an unrelated press event (whose name escapes me) over the use of "Comic-Con".

Nice video, Bob. You're right, the San Diego Comic-Con was surprisingly uneventful... Well, except for that panel for The Big Bang Theory, where someone asked why there were so many merciless jabs at Aquaman in that show, only for Craig Ferguson, the moderator of the panel, to shout her down by saying Aquaman isn't a superhero, he sucks, blah blah blah, and when the laughter and applause died down, the person in question revealed herself to be the granddaughter of the creator of Aquaman. Awkwardness ensued.

youji itami:
Bob your not a film critic your a youtube personality that a small website started to employ at best, GET OVER IT.

Actually, he IS a critic; he's getting paid to criticize movies, and whatever stupid reasons you find to disagree with him or belittle his opinion, that's not going to change. So YOU GET OVER IT!

Meh. I've never much cared about the opinions of film critics. Oh, and Bob, the phrase is "I couldn't care less." To say you could care less means that you DO care.

So Comic Con is dying off like E3 or was it just a dull Comic Con this year?

Still I guess it can't be helped.

I suppose everything that might've been big news at Comic Con was already revealed.

contla:
I've never seen one of these people Bob was talking about. They're like Dodo's to me. I know they existed but I've never seen one.

You have to remember that Bob is extremely biased in this particular instance. He adores the MCU and upholds it as a force of good in both cinema and the world, so it's only natural that he views people who criticize the MCU as "snobby film elitists" or "(wannabe) old-guards", because they rail against this popular thing that he adores.

What's funny is that Bob himself is incredibly (and similarly) dismissive of the Call of Duty franchise. A popular thing that also became a cultural phenonomenon.

contla:
I've never seen one of these people Bob was talking about. They're like Dodo's to me. I know they existed but I've never seen one.

A perfect example would be Jeff Wells, of Hollywood Elsewhere fame.

That is why I love video games, not as much as I did in the past, but I still love them. Artsy can meet with popular like in Last of Us, Bioshock, CoD 4 and many others.

Yes. CoD 4 just replay it as a single title and see how many interesting points this game can make. The franchsing of modern warfare was terrible.

Sylocat:

contla:
I've never seen one of these people Bob was talking about. They're like Dodo's to me. I know they existed but I've never seen one.

A perfect example would be Jeff Wells, of Hollywood Elsewhere fame.

I went to his twitter and Bob was the only person who I follow who follows him . And I follow about 500 people so I guess it's really Isolated to Bob's "niche"(?) but that's the most of the internet anyway.

MB202:
Actually, he IS a critic; he's getting paid to criticize movies, and whatever stupid reasons you find to disagree with him or belittle his opinion, that's not going to change. So YOU GET OVER IT!

He makes capsule reviews, which is criticism-lite. That's not a put-down, by any means, I happen to think he does quite well given the limitations of his format.

That said, seems Bob is just as eager to put down the "middle of the road" stuff that the aging out of touch critics enjoy, as they are to put down super-hero stuff.

Personally, I'm with Mark Twain on the subject of popularity: "Fame is a vapor, popularity an accident." I've seen some really good stuff that got popular and some real shit that didn't get popular, just as I've seen stuff that was really good that didn't get popular and stuff that was shit that got popular. Popularity is an accident of circumstance, determined by whatever manages to perfectly strike the arbitrary and changing whims of the masses. It's not a determiner of quality, good or bad, it's just a phenomenon that happens. To consider yourself superior because you don't like what's popular is just ego stroking and it can cut you off from some real quality stuff.

MovieBob:
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Good vid, but just one little niggle...

kurupt87:

MovieBob:
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Good vid, but just one little niggle...

Bah, ninja'ed was about to ask him how much less he could care...

I want to know more about how Miller's Batman and the Death of Superman are creaky relics of eras and trends that nearly destroyed their medium!

Triaed:
I want to know more about how Miller's Batman and the Death of Superman are creaky relics of eras and trends that nearly destroyed their medium!

He explaied it a bit already here
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/7047-Comics-in-The-90s-What-Happened

I found Bob's segment interesting but only on a "haven't we heard this before?" kind of way. Also of interest was the whole total disconnect between the imagery and the discussion. It must be tough having a news cycle be such a colossal let-down. I feel your pain Bob. (It's almost as though we are all holding our breath until the release of Guardians of the Galaxy. Bob, can you release your GotG trailer on Thursday please?)

templar1138a:
Meh. I've never much cared about the opinions of film critics. Oh, and Bob, the phrase is "I couldn't care less." To say you could care less means that you DO care.

Yeah "I could care less" means there is some caring going on. However "Like I could care less" actually means the same thing as saying "I couldn't care less" because of the inferred "but I couldn't". So while Bob said "I could care less", "like I could care less" has actual meaning.

So this Friday I can expect a spoiler ridden review just glowing in the praise of Guardians of the Galaxy? Why wait? it seems that Bob has already made up his mind on the thing. I've really gotten tired of Bob forming opinions on movies months before they come out, by already holding an opinion towards something it's going to colour your viewing of the work. Other critics of other forms of entertainment have often said that they try to avoid promotional material for their preferred entertainment media, however, because of The Big Picture that's not an option for Bob. I feel that his two shows are actively working against each other, which is unfortunate because I'm a big fan of the Big Picture and I enjoy Escape to the Movies when Bob is reviewing a movie that he hasn't already decided whether or not he likes it.

I always find it amusing when Bob reconciles his inner or outer nerd with his job as a film critic, then takes a step back and observes where that puts him in regard to the rest of critics.

Bob's right, though. To understand a culture, you have to look at the nexus. Like it or not, SDCC is a center for all things in a certain sphere of popular culture.

And honestly, I do get some satisfaction from knowing that the Anton Egos of the film critic business all have their panties in a twist because a bunch of people are going to see, and likely enjoy, a movie with a talking raccoon wielding a gun. Too bad for them. Guardians is likely going to be the only film I see this year, at least in terms of my own desire to see something. If my friends want to go see a movie, then I might go, but that's more of a social thing, not because I have burning desire to see whatever movie it is. I'm soured on movies. They just aren't doing it for me anymore. I'd rather play a game, read a book, or watch a TV series than go see a movie. It just seems that aside from these continuity focussed movies, nothing interests me anymore.

MB202:

youji itami:
Bob your not a film critic your a youtube personality that a small website started to employ at best, GET OVER IT.

Actually, he IS a critic; he's getting paid to criticize movies, and whatever stupid reasons you find to disagree with him or belittle his opinion, that's not going to change. So YOU GET OVER IT!

Please don't feed him. He has so little of value to input, in fact this isn't even his first account on the website, his old one got banned for railing on Bob all the time. He's simply learned to craft his comments better so he can rail on Bob without breaking the rules of the website. He's here to stay, it's just best to ignore him.

mattawbrown:
So this Friday I can expect a spoiler ridden review just glowing in the praise of Guardians of the Galaxy? Why wait? it seems that Bob has already made up his mind on the thing. I've really gotten tired of Bob forming opinions on movies months before they come out, by already holding an opinion towards something it's going to colour your viewing of the work. Other critics of other forms of entertainment have often said that they try to avoid promotional material for their preferred entertainment media, however, because of The Big Picture that's not an option for Bob. I feel that his two shows are actively working against each other, which is unfortunate because I'm a big fan of the Big Picture and I enjoy Escape to the Movies when Bob is reviewing a movie that he hasn't already decided whether or not he likes it.

I imagine he has already seen the movie

All I got from any of the news is that 2014 has been a bit of a dull year. 2014 just exists to connect us to 2015 as everyone gave it their all last year and are waiting for next year to release their next big things.

mattawbrown:
So this Friday I can expect a spoiler ridden review just glowing in the praise of Guardians of the Galaxy? Why wait? it seems that Bob has already made up his mind on the thing. I've really gotten tired of Bob forming opinions on movies months before they come out, by already holding an opinion towards something it's going to colour your viewing of the work. Other critics of other forms of entertainment have often said that they try to avoid promotional material for their preferred entertainment media, however, because of The Big Picture that's not an option for Bob. I feel that his two shows are actively working against each other, which is unfortunate because I'm a big fan of the Big Picture and I enjoy Escape to the Movies when Bob is reviewing a movie that he hasn't already decided whether or not he likes it.

So you think that Bob should avoid all pre release stuff and review all the products without any bias? That's silly. If the studios release any information about the product, then you're allowed to both read/watch and form an opinion on what you see. Why else would anybody else watch these films they've otherwise heard nearly nothing about? He watched the trailer and read the news, he likes what he sees so far (and I assume he's watched the film by now, too). Just because other critics choose to not indulge in pre-release information doesn't mean Bob has to.

Also, I think his previous Big Picture episode Baggage covers this, too: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/8384-Baggage

youji itami:
Bob your not a film critic your a youtube personality that a small website started to employ at best, GET OVER IT.

"You're".

Also. He critiques films. That makes him a film critic in my mind. Is there something more to it?

OT: Man. I really cant wait to see Guardians of the Galaxy.

Triaed:
I want to know more about how Miller's Batman and the Death of Superman are creaky relics of eras and trends that nearly destroyed their medium!

Ditto. Bob, your move. (topmost quote, this is the correct use of your).

templar1138a:
Meh. I've never much cared about the opinions of film critics. Oh, and Bob, the phrase is "I couldn't care less." To say you could care less means that you DO care.

Generally, people care even less about people who get riled about the "could/couldn't distinction in this context.

Bob,

As a lifelong fan of Friday the 13th movies who started watching them in the 70s, thanks for giving Jason the shout out.

I love those movies, and I don't care how "bad" they are. They had a meaningful impact on my life. Some folks like roller coasters, some folks like romance novels, for me it's always been silly over-the-top slasher flicks. Literally since I was a boy. :)

-Paul

Critics hate on comicon? Granted most of the critics i listen too are pretty fresh, independent and from geek culture but generally outsode of those circles I've never really seen derision or even singling out of the culture of things like comicon as anything negative. Actually many old Guard critics don't want to end up looking like Roger Egbert waving his old-man fist at 'Fight Club' or any other movie that would go on to become some kind of dark-horse modern classic.

Generally most of the grandstanding i see against people like Micheal Bay who is generally reviled in traditional "Nerd Culture". Can you point me to some examples? If someone really is deriding superhero movies or "Nerd Movies" in general the ratings and reviews don't seem to bare it out. Winter Soldier is currently sitting on a cool 90% on RT. I would say the mainstream and even old-guard critics are keen to champion this cinema as a smarter and more inventive alternative to the action shlock we saw in the early 2000s.

Worgen:
Hmm, oddly enough from the title of this I thought it would be about sexual harassment at Comicon since I've been hearing about about that lately.

Considering how much of a SJW Bob tends to be I was expecting this too. I'm actually really glad he didn't.

contla:
I've never seen one of these people Bob was talking about. They're like Dodo's to me. I know they existed but I've never seen one.

Just go to rotten tomatoes and look at the negative reviews on any successful well liked super hero movie ever. The only negative review on GotG right now is some guy claiming that Marvel movies are too overly serious. It's like what? Did you even Thor: The Dark World? They're easy to ignore but I understand why they upset Bob so much because they sure do upset me as well.

Guys! You're nitpicking Bob's use of "I couldn't care less" but haven't linked to the appropriate Weird Al video from his new album? For shame!

LobsterFeng:

Worgen:
Hmm, oddly enough from the title of this I thought it would be about sexual harassment at Comicon since I've been hearing about about that lately.

Considering how much of a SJW Bob tends to be I was expecting this too. I'm actually really glad he didn't.

A hundred times yes.

I don't think that a lot of critics have a lot of problems with comics. Comics have been considered an art form, especially in critical and academic circles. Even the oldest critics grew up in the 60's or 70's when the world say great comics especially in underground and counter culture circles.

I think people don't go there for the same reason I wouldn't want to. It sounds like a nightmare. Any time I see comic con I see people who I could not stand in real life. Get sold something every 2 seconds. Weird nerd guys. Girls dressed in skimpy outfits I am supposed to feel bad about being aroused by. Watch actors get cheeto crusted handjobs while they shovel their new movie. You get your comic signed by the guy who drew it. Have a bunch of people cavorting around acting like kids. See the same shit teased the same way year after year. The smell

I LOVE comic books & movies but comic con sounds like a fucking nightmare to me. I am happy to click on a picture of Wonder Woman and feel bad about wanting to jack it.

I also strongly agree with the episodes main argument. Being a critic is subjective. A critics opinion on movies when they don't represent a film as an entity separate to the actors careers and studio politics, or taken in by advertising. My favorite critics are strongly open minded, but opinionated. Not all toeing the same ideal. If a critic who LOVES horror films says to check out something, I know it's probably going to be good, even if I don't like the look of it. That's not to say that same guy will like superhero films, I still respect his opinion. Better he at least be unbiased about them. He will view it as a FILM and not go looking for fucking easter eggs to impress his twitter followers.

This really just comes across like Bob complaining that some critics aren't paying attention to his preferred favourite movies. The weird jab at Boyhood at the end is particularly ironic considering how many times he claimed not to care about what movies other people do or do not like.

Fascinating observation, Bob. I always get a good giggle at your take-downs of "traditional" movie critics who think they're superior for liking "artsy" independent films over big summer blockbusters. For good or bad, Comic-Con is a cultural powerhouse and it's here to stay. I am surprised you said something positive about Wonder Woman's movie costume (and I concur; looks good & can't wait to see her in action).

I find these conventions largely superfluous except as a gathering place for cosplayers. Most of the big news is covered on social media anyway.

canadamus_prime:
I find these conventions largely superfluous except as a gathering place for cosplayers. Most of the big news is covered on social media anyway.

Seeing Comic Con for the first time on G4 back in 2008 or something, that was my first impression. It is not surprising that no panel had anything new to show when PR divisions can't wait to tease or reveal new things.

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