Jimquisition: EA Access ... Denied

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EA Access ... Denied

Welcome to an incoming age of subscriptions, subscriptions everywhere!

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I took one look at the title of this video and knew what was coming.

'Triple A shitehawkes'

I love you for bringing the word 'shitehawkes' to the world at large.

Thank God for Jim.

YEah I can see where you're coming from jim. It might be pessimistic, but it is the safest way to deal with what this industry's being doing lately.

It's sad though, that you have to be so cautious and pessimistic in what should be a ENTERTAINMENT industry. you know, something that's supposed to be fun?

To be honest the cumulative money thing is the only reason I would want to avoid this deal (besides the fact that I don't tend to play EA games anyway). More money spent on being able to access features of games rather than spent on the actual games is not a good thing.

Unless Jim gets a weekly bit on CNN or some other major news outlet on tv, the majority of the public will not know any different and most likely the industry will continue on as he speculated and just get worse because the largest chunk of the buying public is doing so ignorant of this stuff. They just walk into a store, grab what they like, and play what they like, and so fuel all this junk. Same with services like this, see it on tv, in a game insert, on the console new feed, and think HEY KOOL and go for it. They don't know what might happen, what will change, etc etc.

So Jim, get yer ass on TV damnit. If all else I'd love to see you on a Fox news show bitch slapping half their anchors when they try and counter argue you. :)

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt213/evilkinggumby/Jim-Sterling-on-CNN.jpg

I am getting a 404 error.

Magmarock:
I am getting a 404 error.

Same, my access whas... Denied

But Jim! For EA to even have my attention, much less my trust, they must publish a game that even looks appealing.

Mosesj:
It's sad though, that you have to be so cautious and pessimistic in what should be a ENTERTAINMENT industry. you know, something that's supposed to be fun?

Well if what i hear about people with histories in marketing departments running the game industry are true, we damn well better be cautious and pessimistic. People such as them made thier careers on selling to the naive and easily persuaded, after all.

As always, I agree with Jim entirely and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Ubisoft and Activision are already working more their own 'access' programs. I've got enough subscriptions to worry about and really don't want more, even if it does look good. I'm still amazed EA came out with a program that's considerably better then one Sony came up with, ie Playstation Now.

Even since EA lobotomized Mythic Entertainment (the creators of Dark Age of Camelot amungst other things), I've lead a very happy EA free life and I recommend everyone else do the same. It's quite liberating. Granted they've locked in some proper nouns, such as NFL and Star Wars, but as far as gameplay goes you can get pretty much everything they offer elsewhere, only better.

It's $5/$30. That doesn't require massive amounts of trust.

And, yeah, eventually they'll try to screw us. But they'll do that anyway. I don't see why it'll be worse with subscriptions.

And really, are we so enamoured of the current AAA publishing model? I'm not, so why fight to defend it? A subscription model could end up encouraging a less short term approach, if retaining customer loyalty becomes more important than covering holes in your cash flow with rushed releases.

gigastar:
But Jim! For EA to even have my attention, much less my trust, they must publish a game that even looks appealing.

Mosesj:
It's sad though, that you have to be so cautious and pessimistic in what should be a ENTERTAINMENT industry. you know, something that's supposed to be fun?

Well if what i hear about people with histories in marketing departments running the game industry are true, we damn well better be cautious and pessimistic. People such as them made thier careers on selling to the naive and easily persuaded, after all.

Most tech companies (with a few exceptions) are run by people not with tech degrees but marketing degrees. Meaning they know shit all about the products they are selling, and only know how to apply marketing. If we could like institute a law where people with marketing degrees can only work in management positions that are part of a marketing company or the marketing department of a corporation.

You're a fearmonger, Jim!

Well you told us to call you one...

Seriously, though, I don't think you're completely off base, but I think it's hard to judge a service on what it might become. By that logic, we should pretty much avoid buying any current game because what its publishers might do down the road once they've got a taste of our money.

I don't have an Xbone and I don't know if I'll own a system that includes the service, but taking it as it is and working from there? It's not bad. 30 bucks to play is half a game. Which means the service still has some value as long as you play even one EA game a year. And if the service becomes a problem, drop it.

Hell, this might be great for me. I could subscribe on a monthly basis, play all the EA games I want, and once I've had my flll, still have 27 days to try out other titles. Or it could suck.

I'd drop PS plus if I thought it wasn't a value, too.

False Messiah:

Same, my access whas... Denied

You need to sign up for Jim Sterling's new service. >.>

It played fine for me, though, so I'm betting it's back up.

Next up, subscriptions for each individual game.

Magmarock:
I am getting a 404 error.

Sorry about that, there was an issue with the server sessions that should be resolved now.

Aaaaaaand Electronic Arts proves Jimquisition's point within forty-seven minutes!

http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/11/5991063/madden-nfl-15-no-demo-ea-access

In the words of Timon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuhgHzuPYiI

WildFire15:
As always, I agree with Jim entirely and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Ubisoft and Activision are already working more their own 'access' programs. I've got enough subscriptions to worry about and really don't want more, even if it does look good. I'm still amazed EA came out with a program that's considerably better then one Sony came up with, ie Playstation Now.

It's always easy when you go second. Just look at Xbone v PS4. I'm betting Ea got a look at the response to PSNOW and said "hell, even we're not that stupid."

And then hastily revised their plans for a similar pricing structure.

Wulfram77:
It's $5/$30. That doesn't require massive amounts of trust.

And, yeah, eventually they'll try to screw us. But they'll do that anyway. I don't see why it'll be worse with subscriptions.

And really, are we so enamoured of the current AAA publishing model? I'm not, so why fight to defend it? A subscription model could end up encouraging a less short term approach, if retaining customer loyalty becomes more important than covering holes in your cash flow with rushed releases.

If I may approximate a Jimism, that's like saying "Ooh well they're gonna fuck us in the arse eventually so I might as well lube them with the moist demanding chasm of my mouth in the meantime"!

Madness.

Thanks.

This urged me to buy some more gog.com games which I've been thinking about. No client or subscription there and if the site goes down, I keep my games.

Not that I'd buy any of the subscription crap anyway, but I'll rather support some of the few companies that don't screw me over. Or rather, which even can't screw me over even if they wanted, due to their business model. (Or so I hope at least.)

I thought they announced that EA Access doesn't require an xbox live subscription. Did that change or am I just making stuff up?

The thing about this kind of "trust" is that it's based on precedents that aren't primarily about the online passes, pre-order miniature bonuses, and botched launches. Precedents in this case are primarily about what these services have been: venues to allow subscribers to play games that range from indies (e.g. Guacamelee and Don't Starve) to 2K and Deep Silver games (e.g. Bioshock Infinite and Saints Row 3) to first-party exclusives (e.g. Halo 3 and inFamous 2). Even if the services leap up in price to $100/year, they would still be valuable as ways to play such games.

I can't speak for myself on how good EA Access would be, but there sure are people who like the new Battlefields and Maddens.

I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.

What's most pathetic is you see Bowners defending this garbage simply because it's Bone only. And that's just sad seeing someone defend the (former) Worst Company in America. Don't they realize what they're doing to themselves?

Do you seriously believe EA when they claim they'll never shut off your access to the games? Are we just supposed to ignore a decade of EA shutting down games and servers and studios and apps and think they really mean it this time? They just shut down the FTP Ultima game, rendering any ACTUAL MONEY people spent on it null and void with no compensation.

EA is never, ever to be trusted.

I told people that eventually, some horrible company would start charging people for demos. And surprise surprise! EA is the one leading the charge. Wake up, people.

So how long before an EA access subscription is needed to play multiplayer in EA games? (On top of Xbox live of course)

Because we know it's coming.

I'm a little tired of all the early access/dlc talk. I do get it, and I don't pre-purchase anything, and I don't like buying dlc. I have made all these points to my friends already. I don't know who doesn't get it, but it's definitely not your audience.

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, your show and I'll watch it even if this line of conversation continues, it just feels like it's been the point of conversation quite often lately. This was happening a few years ago, and I believe it will naturally kill itself because people don't want to play this shitty game.(By that I mean the game where the publishers search your wallet for more money.)

More and more I think that are system of trade is becoming a problem. The worst thing for me here is that these people exist in an industry where they can sell something that costs no ongoing overhead, and are now developing a system to take the money before they actually PRODUCE something. We aren't so stupid as a people to keep falling for this, right? right??

...oh god...

Jimothy Sterling:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.

I called the "pay for demos" years ago and no one listened.

My next prophecy for garbage corporate scum bullshit game publisher actions is that they will eventually start charging for patches, under the "Well the dev team spent effort on this don't they deserve compensation" bullshit excuse.

Capcom has been dancing around it for years, but one of EA, Activision or Ubisoft will finally cross the line and do it.

kennyloo69:
I thought they announced that EA Access doesn't require an xbox live subscription. Did that change or am I just making stuff up?

You're correct, XBox live is not needed to use EA Access. Though, if you want to play those titles online, you'll need both subscriptions.

Yeah where others see a good deal, I see a slippery slope getting lubricated.

Jimothy Sterling:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.

That is indeed why we thank You for You. Now then, in the spirit of things, between Activision's announcement of all the subscription games and Ubisoft's announcement of everything will need a subscription and an always online internet connection, you should announce a subscription service. All Access Jim, all the time, just thirty dollars per year.

Yeah giving it a wide birth until it proves itself. However what happens should all that stuff come to pass? Simple. Valve and Nintendo will simply rule everything. Everyone will go to them because Steam is free with good sales and Nintendo CONSISTENTLY finishes its games with very very very little DLC ever added to them. Of course that's all a big if but that's what I see happening. People running to the two companies that don't actively cut content or try to screw everybody over.

The Grim Ace:

Jimothy Sterling:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.

That is indeed why we thank You for You. Now then, in the spirit of things, between Activision's announcement of all the subscription games and Ubisoft's announcement of everything will need a subscription and an always online internet connection, you should announce a subscription service. All Access Jim, all the time, just thirty dollars per year.

And immediately gate off "The Vault" of Jimquisition episodes, which of course can be accessed only if you subscribe to Jim's Premium Plan.

Am I the only one who doesn't care about EA's games?
Another Madden, another FIFA, another game to rival CoD (BF/MoH), another disappointing Bioware game, ANOTHER Need for Speed game every. single. year, why is this franchise still alive?

Jimothy Sterling:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.

Quickly, suggest that someone should remake Startopia and have it not be shit!

I find this all hilarious because EA doesn't even believe in this. "Here's a new subscription service we thought you would really like because it gives you access to loads of cool stuff...but only the things that aren't making us any more money." Titanfall things aren't included because it is currently making them money, but once they've milked it dry they'll allow people to have it. It is a brilliant joke by EA, but it will wear thin quickly.

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