5 Ways J.J. Abrams Could Ruin Star Wars

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5 Ways J.J. Abrams Could Ruin Star Wars

We don't know if Abrams will do to Star Wars what he did to Star Trek, but there are a lot of ways he could misstep with this fan-favorite. These are some of them.

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Retconning in an Illuminati style master plan sounds unfortunately plausible.

I own the literary copy of Dreamcatcher and have read it. I have also seen the movie (and consider it a fucking abortion, if you're conducting a poll). So, while I understand what the shit-weasels are, I don't get what all that about redeeming them and how we'll love them all is supposed to mean. Anyone mind sharing the story on that?

5 ways J.J. Abrams can ruin Star Wars? Oh, that's easy!

1. By directing it
2. By helping someone direct it
3. By doing any other major role, like writing or producing it
4. By starring in it
5. By being present in the same building where someone else is making it

There, question answered! :)

Phil Owen:
5 Ways J.J. Abrams Could Ruin Star Wars

We don't know if Abrams will do to Star Wars what he did to Star Trek, but there are a lot of ways he could misstep with this fan-favorite. These are some of them.

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Every point you have made I have made in the past year or so about Episode VII being not only a bad movie, but a bad Star Wars! (But then again great minds think alike.. :D)
As a huge fanboy all I care about he gets the lore right because almost anything can be done in the Star Wars universe... A story about a scientist being hunted for his work, a man on the quest to save his family only to find out about betrayal of loved ones, space cowboys, military.. but I guess those things fit better with spin-offs than the actual movie.
I just want them to get the world(s) of SW right and maybe a reference to KOTOR every now and then.

But fuck the whole Illuminati idea. Just no.. No...

& as an honourable mention: 6. Using Lens Flare // But that is a visual aspect rather than a story one // It'll still ruin the films thou because the man doesn't know the meaning of the words 'over use'

-M

1. Possible, though I suspect its more likely going to be stealing from Star Wars Legacy. Sets up a conflict for the empire to be still doing stuff, has a Sith bad guy. I mean that rumour about Jedi hunter a while ago (probably mainly false) sounds a little like the opening to Legacy.

2. might work if you had it as another level of Sith controlling the galaxy and all are leaders of megacorps etc. This wouldn't be impossible considering early idea of the emperor being a puppet and Bane's rule of two being thrown away. On the other hand the idea doesn't really fit into the star wars style and would remind people too much of the separatists from the prequels.

3. Another strong possibility though I would go larger, what if fox takes the view that the hate for the prequels means we don't want to see massive alien cities and loads of world and galactic politics. Instead we get a smaller scale story across a few worlds using the recycled continued rebellion idea (would feed into the idea of using Legacy).

Jandau:
5 ways J.J. Abrams can ruin Star Wars? Oh, that's easy!

1. By directing it
2. By helping someone direct it
3. By doing any other major role, like writing or producing it
4. By starring in it
5. By being present in the same building where someone else is making it

There, question answered! :)

Or you could sum it up with "by being JJ Abrams" and save four slots.

I don't think Abrams is necessarily bad, but hooboy are there a lot of ways he could ruin Star Wars. And many of them don't involve the actual story the movie will be telling.

I read the artical and it was a good laugh. But now I have this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that in a year's time we will look back on this artical and think 'Damn, if only the movie was as good as these suggestions'.

exobook:
2. might work if you had it as another level of Sith controlling the galaxy and all are leaders of megacorps etc. This wouldn't be impossible considering early idea of the emperor being a puppet and Bane's rule of two being thrown away. On the other hand the idea doesn't really fit into the star wars style and would remind people too much of the separatists from the prequels.

Plus, that always struck me as a cheap out on storytelling. "Oh no, the bad guy from the past 3 movies/year of comics/series of novels/etc/ is actually being controlled by this other person/ Guess you have to go and fight them!" It undercuts the entire threat that the original person posed if they were just a secret lieutenant.

OT: This felt kind of like a Chris Bucholz article from Cracked; started with a plausible premise, then gradually became more insane. I liked it.

You talk about the first KOTOR, and proceed to use an image from the much better second game.

This must have been the most difficult '5 list' ever. Regardless even if it was a 5000 list, JJ, will still find 5000 other ways to ruin SW.

I'll mostly be let down if he makes a high octane action movies stuffed with explosions and lightsaber duels. I'm hoping for something a bit more patient, something that takes its time, just like the old movies. If he delivers that, then i don't think i can be too dissapointed. I know he's capable of something like this, the first half of Super8 had a lot of potential, just too bad that Abrams has problems ending his movies, something Kasdan might be able to fix.

the fact he's actually built life sized sets for the falcon and other ships and seems to be aiming for a more original trilogy feel for the film makes me hope he's going to avoid the usual jjisms and tell a really fun star wars story....im expecting lens flare though as a jj film without it just doesnt seem possible :)

Phil Owen:
Because this is a J.J. movie, we're probably not going to know anything about the plot or story before the metaphoric film (RIP) begins to metaphorically roll into theaters around the world...

Or rather we will, but he will tell us we don't and the movie will pretend we didn't, until we are ultimately shown we've actually known for months.

5 five ways J.J Abrams could make Star Wars better

1. Kill Jar Jar Binks
2. Use practical effects instead of relying to CGI
3. Have multiple people to guide him like Lucas's first film.
4. No Lens flare
5. Don't overhype everyone like Phantom Menace.

Bonus* Make it fun again. People are more open to Wangst when they are connected to the characters. Make them fun and lovable instead of putting them into crisis mode.

Less sabre action. In the prequels they were used for everything and it made them boring. I bet they would open a can of beans with them if they couldnt fine the can opener.

As someone who mainly enjoyed the giant space battles of the originals, just do more of that than the prequels did JJ.

After midichlorians and Jar Jar, apart from recruiting high school students to star in it, could it really get worse?

1.) I don't think this could work because we got to see Vader's face just as he died in Return of the Jedi... Or are we forgetting about him taking off his mask so he could see Luke for the first time with his own eyes? Also there is the whole him appearing as a force ghost in the final scene in the original edit which also confirms that he did actually die... Oh yea and we saw quite a bit of Anakin during the prequel trilogy which again makes it hard to suddenly completely change the character into someone else.

I highly doubt this idea would come to pass in any form unless it involved bringing someone like Boba Fett back but again we saw him as a child in Attack of the Clones and he was also featured in the animated series The Clone Wars.

2.) Something tells me Disney/Lucasfilm aren't looking to retcon anything from the original trilogy. Considering how upset fans have gotten in the past over minor tweaks and edits to the original cuts going in and overhauling pretty much everything to completely change relationships, character development, conflicts, and the over all setup seems like a great way to leave pretty much everyone upset at the whole situation.

3.) Again this just seems like a really obviously bad idea that Disney wouldn't let fly. Pretty much the biggest appeal of Star Wars is use of the force, Jedi vs. Sith, light saber battles, all of that. Suddenly stripping that away because the prequel trilogy dealt with it (are we forgetting that's the whole damn setup of the original trilogy too?) sounds about as stupid as you can get. Abrams may be directing but he's working for Disney/Lucasfilm and they aren't about to let him make incredibly bad decisions like this.

4.) And once again we're looking an obviously bad idea. Midichlorians was a much hated aspect of the prequel trilogy and I doubt they would make Episode VII all about midichlorians let alone even mention them. Abrams is working for a Disney/Lucas Film and neither of those companies are about to let that sort of train wreck out of the station let alone even consider using it in the first place.

5.) This one makes zero sense... Dreamcatcher was an obviously bad film and came out over 10 years ago. I'm not sure why Phil Owen thinks Kasdan has some sort of special attention to the... shit weasels... and wants to force them onto the world but here I am repeating myself once again by stating that Disney/Lucasfilm are overseeing this and both Abrams and Kasdan work for them. I doubt shit weasels are making their way into anything Disney will be producing ever and least of all a Star Wars film that is supposed to get back to the original trilogy.

I feel like this entire list was written with the use of common sense or even a vague understanding of how movie making happens. Abrams and crew aren't the ones calling all the shots and don't have the end all be all power to decide where this movie goes from here. This isn't Abrams company doing a film he wrote and his company is backing, he was hired on to direct and everything has to get approved for production by Disney/Lucasfilm. Does Phil Owen think that someone like Kathleen Kennedy is just gonna let this movie tank because Abrams had some weird idea about the plot which makes no sense or Kasdan wants shit weasels in this?

A vast majority of this list can be immediately tossed out because of Disney/Lucasfilm's involvement and/or past experiences with fans turning on the franchise over bad decisions made with the script.

Keji Goto:
1.) I don't think this could work because we got to see Vader's face just as he died in Return of the Jedi... Or are we forgetting about him taking off his mask so he could see Luke for the first time with his own eyes? Also there is the whole him appearing as a force ghost in the final scene in the original edit which also confirms that he did actually die... Oh yea and we saw quite a bit of Anakin during the prequel trilogy which again makes it hard to suddenly completely change the character into someone else.

I highly doubt this idea would come to pass in any form unless it involved bringing someone like Boba Fett back but again we saw him as a child in Attack of the Clones and he was also featured in the animated series The Clone Wars.

2.) Something tells me Disney/Lucasfilm aren't looking to retcon anything from the original trilogy. Considering how upset fans have gotten in the past over minor tweaks and edits to the original cuts going in and overhauling pretty much everything to completely change relationships, character development, conflicts, and the over all setup seems like a great way to leave pretty much everyone upset at the whole situation.

3.) Again this just seems like a really obviously bad idea that Disney wouldn't let fly. Pretty much the biggest appeal of Star Wars is use of the force, Jedi vs. Sith, light saber battles, all of that. Suddenly stripping that away because the prequel trilogy dealt with it (are we forgetting that's the whole damn setup of the original trilogy too?) sounds about as stupid as you can get. Abrams may be directing but he's working for Disney/Lucasfilm and they aren't about to let him make incredibly bad decisions like this.

4.) And once again we're looking an obviously bad idea. Midichlorians was a much hated aspect of the prequel trilogy and I doubt they would make Episode VII all about midichlorians let alone even mention them. Abrams is working for a Disney/Lucas Film and neither of those companies are about to let that sort of train wreck out of the station let alone even consider using it in the first place.

5.) This one makes zero sense... Dreamcatcher was an obviously bad film and came out over 10 years ago. I'm not sure why Phil Owen thinks Kasdan has some sort of special attention to the... shit weasels... and wants to force them onto the world but here I am repeating myself once again by stating that Disney/Lucasfilm are overseeing this and both Abrams and Kasdan work for them. I doubt shit weasels are making their way into anything Disney will be producing ever and least of all a Star Wars film that is supposed to get back to the original trilogy.

I feel like this entire list was written with the use of common sense or even a vague understanding of how movie making happens. Abrams and crew aren't the ones calling all the shots and don't have the end all be all power to decide where this movie goes from here. This isn't Abrams company doing a film he wrote and his company is backing, he was hired on to direct and everything has to get approved for production by Disney/Lucasfilm. Does Phil Owen think that someone like Kathleen Kennedy is just gonna let this movie tank because Abrams had some weird idea about the plot which makes no sense or Kasdan wants shit weasels in this?

A vast majority of this list can be immediately tossed out because of Disney/Lucasfilm's involvement and/or past experiences with fans turning on the franchise over bad decisions made with the script.

You said it better than me... except I'd like to add that like it or not Abrams' Star Trek reboots have been successful and critically acclaimed. And I'm part of the rottentomatoes 90% who loved Into Darkness.

No mention of lenses flare? Guess not ;)

Imperioratorex Caprae:

Keji Goto:

-snip-

You said it better than me... except I'd like to add that like it or not Abrams' Star Trek reboots have been successful and critically acclaimed. And I'm part of the rottentomatoes 90% who loved Into Darkness.

Thank you for that.

And I wasn't a fan of the original Star Trek show or movies so I'm not in that group loved the originals. However I did enjoy both films for what they were and look forward to seeing where the third movie goes from here.

Keji Goto:

Imperioratorex Caprae:

Keji Goto:

-snip-

You said it better than me... except I'd like to add that like it or not Abrams' Star Trek reboots have been successful and critically acclaimed. And I'm part of the rottentomatoes 90% who loved Into Darkness.

Thank you for that.

And I wasn't a fan of the original Star Trek show or movies so I'm not in that group loved the originals. However I did enjoy both films for what they were and look forward to seeing where the third movie goes from here.

I actually loved both the originals and the reboots but also realize they're different things and both exist in different timelines. I must be a rare person because I don't let my past loves color new things. I judge them on the merits they have as is. Of course I'm also a gamer who liked ME3, and other unpopular things... Sometimes I feel I don't fit with the majority of this site with my opinions, but that's ok with me. I like being the outsider.

Well at least if JJ ripped of KOTOR it would get a few more people into SWTOR and they could afford to actually make some content for once.

Dear God,
the second way scares me more than anything else.

The Emperor/Palpatine is a perfect villain, in that there's nothing left to add to or take from him that could be an improvement. If they change anything about him, then they're undercutting all the other movies.

Which sounds exactly like the sort of thing you'd do if you wanted to make the new movie relevant. Fuck me.

Imperioratorex Caprae:

Keji Goto:

Imperioratorex Caprae:

You said it better than me... except I'd like to add that like it or not Abrams' Star Trek reboots have been successful and critically acclaimed. And I'm part of the rottentomatoes 90% who loved Into Darkness.

Thank you for that.

And I wasn't a fan of the original Star Trek show or movies so I'm not in that group loved the originals. However I did enjoy both films for what they were and look forward to seeing where the third movie goes from here.

I actually loved both the originals and the reboots but also realize they're different things and both exist in different timelines. I must be a rare person because I don't let my past loves color new things. I judge them on the merits they have as is. Of course I'm also a gamer who liked ME3, and other unpopular things... Sometimes I feel I don't fit with the majority of this site with my opinions, but that's ok with me. I like being the outsider.

I'm in the same boat as you over here. Adore the Original Star Trek shows and movies (except for half the TNG movies, Enterprise... and sometimes Voyager.) And I like the reboot movies (the first more than the second) and really enjoy the Ongoing Comic based on those movies. Also being a comic fan I never complain or nitpick about differences between the comics and movies.

Also liked the ME3 ending.

Hmm... are you sure you're not me?

DeimosMasque:

Imperioratorex Caprae:

Keji Goto:

Thank you for that.

And I wasn't a fan of the original Star Trek show or movies so I'm not in that group loved the originals. However I did enjoy both films for what they were and look forward to seeing where the third movie goes from here.

I actually loved both the originals and the reboots but also realize they're different things and both exist in different timelines. I must be a rare person because I don't let my past loves color new things. I judge them on the merits they have as is. Of course I'm also a gamer who liked ME3, and other unpopular things... Sometimes I feel I don't fit with the majority of this site with my opinions, but that's ok with me. I like being the outsider.

I'm in the same boat as you over here. Adore the Original Star Trek shows and movies (except for half the TNG movies, Enterprise... and sometimes Voyager.) And I like the reboot movies (the first more than the second) and really enjoy the Ongoing Comic based on those movies. Also being a comic fan I never complain or nitpick about differences between the comics and movies.

Also liked the ME3 ending.

Hmm... are you sure you're not me?

Well, could be a quantum event that tossed one of us into this timestream... Who knows?

Imperioratorex Caprae:

Well, could be a quantum event that tossed one of us into this timestream... Who knows?

Well I'll just bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish. Then I'll use my multi-spectral quantum tachyon anti-proton device and we'll see if we can get this all sorted out.

DeimosMasque:

Imperioratorex Caprae:

Well, could be a quantum event that tossed one of us into this timestream... Who knows?

Well I'll just bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish. Then I'll use my multi-spectral quantum tachyon anti-proton device and we'll see if we can get this all sorted out.

We could do a slingshot around the sun and pray our shields and SIF hold up under the stress.

I don't think Mr Abrams can ruin Star Wars anymore than Lucas did in the prequels. The bar is so low that just about anything would be an improvement.

th3dark3rsh33p:
I don't think Mr Abrams can ruin Star Wars anymore than Lucas did in the prequels. The bar is so low that just about anything would be an improvement.

To loosely adapt a quote from the Plinkett reviews:
"Well it can't be worse than the Prequel Trilogy. Maybe we'll just look back at those as 'those really bad ones'. You try to rationalize that at least this time there wasn't going to be a little kid or anything. You had no idea that the nightmare of your existence had only just begun."

VoidWanderer:
After midichlorians and Jar Jar, apart from recruiting high school students to star in it, could it really get worse?

Pardon my presumption, but I'm less worried about Star Wars getting worse and more worried that it won't get any better.

How do I explain this concisely..

OK, remember Star Trek?
Rick Berman spent a decade mismanaging Star Trek, eventually fans got fed up and fled the franchise in droves.
Eventually it died.

Years later, during this explosion of Hollywood nostalgia-sploitation, some exec decided to reboot Star Trek for easy money, and handed the project to J.J. Abrams.

So Abrams took what he knew of Star Trek, dissected the culturally recognizable bits, and plopped them into a generic Hollywood action movie.

Star Trek 09' has Star Trek on the label and it has some flavorful bits from Star Trek in it...but it isn't Star Trek.
It's the Bacos version of Star Trek. Either way, the public loved it, so naturally it was a "successful" reboot.

But I can't help but feel that nothing has really improved for Star Trek as a result because...it isn't really Star Trek.
I don't hate the films, but I never once had this sense that I was watching Star Trek; just a bunch of references to them.

5 years later, and I find myself in an eerily familiar situation with Star Wars.

I won't beat around bush here: George Lucas obviously had no idea how to write a good script for the prequels, and ended up making three shitty, but popular action movies. While Lucas made a lot of money, hindsight has not been kind to the prequels.

And once again Abrams is up to bat to bring an old franchise back to the public eye...
Hell, even the elimination of the Expanded Universe feels kinda similar to how Abrams eliminated the original canon universe from the equation in his Trek films. Or at least that's how I take it.

So I'm apprehensive about this. Will Star Wars still be Star Wars with Abrams at the helm?

He will destroy it the following way:

Episode VII: Abrams will create some sort of mystery and he'll end the movie with a huge cliffhanger. We won't know anything about this mystery except that it's exciting!
Episode VIII: You'd expect at least some hints on how the mystery will resolve, do you? Nope. Even more mystery around that mystery!
Episode IX: Abrams remembers: "oh! That mystery! Right... You know what? I didn't even think about what the mystery even is about... some sort of resolution... Can't think of anything that makes sense. Here, take some overly convoluted stuff that explains nothing instead."

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