Doctor Who Review: The Doctor's Going to Some Dark Places

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Doctor Who Review: The Doctor's Going to Some Dark Places

Though the premiere episode, Deep Breath, isn't a stunner, it's not a bad introduction to Peter Capaldi's Doctor, either.

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Capaldi was not the Bad Guy in Fires of Pompeii. Now that is out of the way, see Curse of Fenric for some dark Doctor action. Capaldi has a way to go yet. Somehow I don't see him trying to steal Colin Baker's remaining regenerations.

The only thing that saved the episode for me was everyone's favourite inter species lesbian consulting detective couple and their homicidal, gender perception challenged butler.

For me it was trying to hard to be a sitcom of all things

I rather liked this episode. The show was still getting it's legs the last time we saw a companion deal with a new face, and while it's true that Deep Breath may in some way suffer by cribbing from an earlier episode I think it also serves to mirror the entire idea of putting a new face on a familiar concept.

This is one of those episodes that has the basic elements of Dr. Who but uses them instead as a framework for a smaller and more intimate story and I can't fault it for that.

At the end of the day I'm still not sure how Capaldi is going to handle being the Doctor, since the bulk of the episode is spent with him in a post regenerative delirium but what I've seen so far has been pretty good.

If I had to pick anything about this episode that makes me slightly wary of the upcoming season it's the reveal of Missy.
Obviously we don't really have any firm grasp on her or her motivations just yet but I sincerely hope that the series villain isn't going to just be an overzealous fan girl.

What I got from this episode is that it's trying way too hard to stay rooted in the past. Where Smith's run started with a new face, a new screwdriver, a new Tardis, a new companion, and a relatively new universe, this time around we still have Clara and other supporting characters, the Tardis looks like it did last time, and the references to previous Doctors and their adventures don't seem to stop. I'm starting to think Moffat wants to wring every bit of nostalgia he can from referencing Tennant's episodes, while Capaldi is trying very hard to act like some of the old-fashioned Doctors. No idea if any of this is going to help the show get better, but by the end of the episode I started thinking it wasn't going to be too bad.

And it looks like I'll need to update my avatar soon...

ehhh...it was mediocre. Considering it was 75 minutes long, Moffat still "solved" everything in the last five minutes. And considering "The Girl in the Fireplace" is one of my favourite episodes, which was written by Moffat with the same robots, it's a shame this one was so bland.

There was also far less Doctor than what I consider to be enough, didn't really get a chance to establish Capaldis persona.

Also, and I hope I'm not the only one who picked up on this: What the hell was with that phonecall from Matt Smith? The phone call was good as a "goodbye" considering he'd not had a chance to say goodbye to Clara in his personal timeline as of that phonecall, but he has ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of knowing or to think that he'd be regenerated.

As far as Smith was concerned he was going to die with no coming back, that was his last regeneration, it's only because the Time Lords appeared and gave him a new cycle, which wasn't until hundreds of years later for Smith. The only reason he'd /have/ to make that phonecall was because he knew he was going to die on Trenzalore, either fighting or old age.

Missy was interesting though, looking forward to where they're going with her, as long as it's not a River Song expy.

Not sure how I felt about the whole episode as a whole. This was honestly my first sitting down to watch an episode, otherwise I've only ever caught episodes kind of randomly.

I was kind of disappointed that there was a lack of Capaldi but I understood the point to it, and what I saw at the end of the episode gave me a lot of hope. I know Capaldi has the chops to pull it off, he was one of my favorite actors even before Doctor Who.

Otherwise, I was kind of tickled that a great deal of the episode seemed directed at people who were mad about Capaldi being the Doctor. I think this will be a good season, and honestly think it will be Capaldi as an actor that makes it great, but honestly I'm probably a little bias.

I don't really think we do know what the new Doctor is like. He spent the majority of the episode struggling to remember anything, including which character was a lizard person.

I liked the Doctor translating in his sleep, if he was translating and not just dreaming.

The new theme tunes a bit weird.

What the hell was that at the end?

The Dinosaur gave me a feeling that they skipped ahead from the regeneration to the start of the new episode.
And we mist out on a story there.

Diddy_Mao:

At the end of the day I'm still not sure how Capaldi is going to handle being the Doctor, since the bulk of the episode is spent with him in a post regenerative delirium but what I've seen so far has been pretty good.

Indeed, but that was to be expected.
It probably take another 2 or 3 episodes to really get a take on him as the doctor.

If I had to pick anything about this episode that makes me slightly wary of the upcoming season it's the reveal of Missy.
Obviously we don't really have any firm grasp on her or her motivations just yet but I sincerely hope that the series villain isn't going to just be an overzealous fan girl.

Hard to say where they a going with her just yet, but she had some interesting choice of words though.
"I do like his new accent though, think i might keep it"
And revering to him as "boyfriend"

And there is some talk that the garden has the same layout as a T.A.R.D.I.S.
I agree, but that's pure speculation.

Can't wait to find out.

The show definitely makes great use of their actors. The writing hasn't been very good since Moffat took over, but the performances of Matt Smith, and Karen Gillan, and Peter Capaldi transcend it's badness (Usually).

Can Madame Vastra and company have their own spin-off, please? They have a great dynamic, one I'd rather see given it's own spotlight, instead of constantly stealing it from the Doctor.

Mcoffey:

Can Madame Vastra and company have their own spin-off, please? They have a great dynamic, one I'd rather see given it's own spotlight, instead of constantly stealing it from the Doctor.

I've seen rumours - largely from other users on these same forums, so don't ask me to source them - that Moffat is pushing for a Paternoster Gang spin-off, which might be why they got such a prominent part of this episode. Personally I can't stand them - and not because I hate LGBT representation or anything, just because I don't really rate the acting of Vastra or (especially) Jenny and I think they're shoehorned in a lot of the time so Moffat can fill a quota of diversity or something. The real reason might, of course, just be that he likes them and thinks they're fun, which is much less insidious, but I still don't like them.

Mcoffey:
Can Madame Vastra and company have their own spin-off, please? They have a great dynamic, one I'd rather see given it's own spotlight, instead of constantly stealing it from the Doctor.

I thought they were very obnoxious, if nothing else. They're a bit annoying and detracted from the arc of this episode. And the entire lesbianism thing between Vastra and the maid felt forced.

I enjoyed it.

The discussion between bad guy and the doctor in the 'escape pod' about not reaching paradise, and exactly who is lying about their 'programing' was delicious to me.

I honestly hope that this doctor is a bit darker. With the Day of the Doctor episode, he's no longer on the run, but has a mission: To find home - and... he doesn't expect to make it there alive? Oh dear

I for one look forward to seeing where this goes

webkilla:
I enjoyed it.

The discussion between bad guy and the doctor in the 'escape pod' about not reaching paradise, and exactly who is lying about their 'programing' was delicious to me.

I honestly hope that this doctor is a bit darker. With the Day of the Doctor episode, he's no longer on the run, but has a mission: To find home - and... he doesn't expect to make it there alive? Oh dear

I for one look forward to seeing where this goes

I think it's more that he knows that while he may save his homeworld he will likely not be welcome there after he does than not thinking he's going to go all Moses in the desert.

Capaldi is more my kind of Doctor. Mainly because he isn't some floppy haired git with an innate ability to act like a particularly lackluster child in Public School uniform.

Not that Doctor Who has done anything to endear me to him since Eccelston left, but hey. Here's to episode two, or whatever.

I actually think Missie might be evil future Clara, because she referred to the Doctor as "boyfriend".

Also, I disagree, the darkest I've ever seen the Doctor, at least in New Who, was either 9's lunch with the Slitheen woman or 11 to House, when House took over the TARDIS: "Fear me, I've killed hundreds of Time Lords." "Fear me, I've killed them all." His casual dismissal of that was scary.

elvor0:

Also, and I hope I'm not the only one who picked up on this: What the hell was with that phonecall from Matt Smith? The phone call was good as a "goodbye" considering he'd not had a chance to say goodbye to Clara in his personal timeline as of that phonecall, but he has ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of knowing or to think that he'd be regenerated.

Yeah he did O.o that was after he got given the new cycles, he zipped into the Tardis and saw Clara again before he regenerated, they even talked a little.

I mean, it's a little dumb he somehow f*cking called her when he could have done it WHEN he regenerated.

Diddy_Mao:
If I had to pick anything about this episode that makes me slightly wary of the upcoming season it's the reveal of Missy.
Obviously we don't really have any firm grasp on her or her motivations just yet but I sincerely hope that the series villain isn't going to just be an overzealous fan girl.

This. Although to add to that, I'll bet there's fan theories going around right now that she's actually The Rani. Or a future regeneration of the Doctor. One of these theories is currently being passed around right now, I swear.

elvor0:
ehhh...it was mediocre. Considering it was 75 minutes long, Moffat still "solved" everything in the last five minutes. And considering "The Girl in the Fireplace" is one of my favourite episodes, which was written by Moffat with the same robots, it's a shame this one was so bland.

There was also far less Doctor than what I consider to be enough, didn't really get a chance to establish Capaldis persona.

Also, and I hope I'm not the only one who picked up on this: What the hell was with that phonecall from Matt Smith? The phone call was good as a "goodbye" considering he'd not had a chance to say goodbye to Clara in his personal timeline as of that phonecall, but he has ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of knowing or to think that he'd be regenerated.

As far as Smith was concerned he was going to die with no coming back, that was his last regeneration, it's only because the Time Lords appeared and gave him a new cycle, which wasn't until hundreds of years later for Smith. The only reason he'd /have/ to make that phonecall was because he knew he was going to die on Trenzalore, either fighting or old age.

Missy was interesting though, looking forward to where they're going with her, as long as it's not a River Song expy.

Well, the Matt Smith Phone Call is like Day of the Doctor, or the whole business with Clara being scattered across the Doctor's timeline, or the watering down/inbreeding going on with the Daleks and Cybermen - Moffat gives not one fuck about previously established continuity. Despite the fact that the whole Trenzalore thing now possibly can't happen (at least with Matt Smith - causality would demand that Peter Capeldi and other future Doctors be erased from time too, or at the very least summon a horde of Reapers for interfering with the timeline). So yes, moreso than Missy, that Phone Call was weird, out of place and quite possibly bad writing.

Also - don't give Moffat ideas! Missy might well turn out to be evil River Song! X3

OT: This episode was...forgettable mostly. It was alright, but asides the Robots who harvest organs and the rather unsubtle callbacks to "The Girl in the Fireplace" (which Moffat also penned) it is one we're going to be forgetting about quickly.

Incidentally, next episode might be another turn to adapt a Big Finish story.

snappydog:

Mcoffey:

Can Madame Vastra and company have their own spin-off, please? They have a great dynamic, one I'd rather see given it's own spotlight, instead of constantly stealing it from the Doctor.

I've seen rumours - largely from other users on these same forums, so don't ask me to source them - that Moffat is pushing for a Paternoster Gang spin-off, which might be why they got such a prominent part of this episode. Personally I can't stand them - and not because I hate LGBT representation or anything, just because I don't really rate the acting of Vastra or (especially) Jenny and I think they're shoehorned in a lot of the time so Moffat can fill a quota of diversity or something. The real reason might, of course, just be that he likes them and thinks they're fun, which is much less insidious, but I still don't like them.

CosmicCommander:

Mcoffey:
Can Madame Vastra and company have their own spin-off, please? They have a great dynamic, one I'd rather see given it's own spotlight, instead of constantly stealing it from the Doctor.

I thought they were very obnoxious, if nothing else. They're a bit annoying and detracted from the arc of this episode. And the entire lesbianism thing between Vastra and the maid felt forced.

It feels like he's introducing them for the first time each time they show up. Like, he's got to go over the important character beats every time: Vastra is a Silurian who fights crime in victorian London, Jenny is her maid who is also her wife and she's sassy, Strax is a lovable oaf who wants to kill things. He does this every time, and they show up a lot so it feels grating after a while. I'd hope if they got their own show, Moffat could trust the audience not to immediately forget they exist after each episode.

I think Rory and Amy talked about their marriage enough that it's not him "shoehorning" diversity as much as it is he's not a super great writer and doesn't expect much of his audience.

thetoddo:

webkilla:
I enjoyed it.

The discussion between bad guy and the doctor in the 'escape pod' about not reaching paradise, and exactly who is lying about their 'programing' was delicious to me.

I honestly hope that this doctor is a bit darker. With the Day of the Doctor episode, he's no longer on the run, but has a mission: To find home - and... he doesn't expect to make it there alive? Oh dear

I for one look forward to seeing where this goes

I think it's more that he knows that while he may save his homeworld he will likely not be welcome there after he does than not thinking he's going to go all Moses in the desert.

Sounds good to me - can't wait to see what'll happen with that

CaptainMarvelous:

elvor0:

Also, and I hope I'm not the only one who picked up on this: What the hell was with that phonecall from Matt Smith? The phone call was good as a "goodbye" considering he'd not had a chance to say goodbye to Clara in his personal timeline as of that phonecall, but he has ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of knowing or to think that he'd be regenerated.

Yeah he did O.o that was after he got given the new cycles, he zipped into the Tardis and saw Clara again before he regenerated, they even talked a little.

I mean, it's a little dumb he somehow f*cking called her when he could have done it WHEN he regenerated.

Which was much later in Smiths personal timeline than the one that called her.

/Eventually/ Smith got to say good bye. The version that called Clara hadn't yet done so though, so it makes sense that he'd want to so on the basis that he was going to die. The Smith that called her was a much earlier one, one that had only been on Trenzalore for a while (though still quite a long time clearly), one that hadn't seen Clara in however many decades after sending her back home so he could protect the Town of Christmas, and as far as he was concerned, that was his final regeneration, he'd have no reason to think that Clara would still be with The Doctor, because he intended to die of old age or in battle in Trenzalore.

EDIT: Actually scrap that, my mistake, sorry ><. As per this guy and just checking the episode
It would appear that I got the timelines mixed up. Blame the wibbly wobbly. Still don't really buy that The Doctor would actually /need/ to make the call though, Claras already seen three incarnations of the doctor in person and travelled though his timeline, she doesn't need regeneration explaining to her. This was just audience meta quibble.

AliasBot:
Am I misremembering Time of the Doctor? I thought there was a pretty clear space in that episode for the phone call:

Old Doctor gets infused with time energy, blows up Daleks -> Old Doctor goes to the TARDIS -> Clara goes to the TARDIS -> Clara finds young-again Doctor -> Doctor regenerates.

Watching the episode Saturday, I thought it was pretty clear that the phone call was supposed to be taking place on 11's side after he had already reverted to his "starting" age, and so knew he was going to regenerate, but before Clara found him in the TARDIS. It still doesn't explain why he made the call - maybe he thought Clara wouldn't find him in the TARDIS until after he had finished regenerating? - but the "when" fits in pretty clearly. Again, unless I'm remembering incorrectly from Time.

chetoos:
I actually think Missie might be evil future Clara, because she referred to the Doctor as "boyfriend".

This.. This is extremely credible.

On the episode, it's hugely better than almost everything I've seen recently, but my fingers are so crossed for a return to some self-contained "monster of the week" episodes. I agree with the article that there is simply too much metaplot in Doctor Who nowadays.

Sir Shockwave:

elvor0:
-snip-

Well, the Matt Smith Phone Call is like Day of the Doctor, or the whole business with Clara being scattered across the Doctor's timeline, or the watering down/inbreeding going on with the Daleks and Cybermen - Moffat gives not one fuck about previously established continuity. Despite the fact that the whole Trenzalore thing now possibly can't happen (at least with Matt Smith - causality would demand that Peter Capeldi and other future Doctors be erased from time too, or at the very least summon a horde of Reapers for interfering with the timeline). So yes, moreso than Missy, that Phone Call was weird, out of place and quite possibly bad writing.

Also - don't give Moffat ideas! Missy might well turn out to be evil River Song! X3

OT: This episode was...forgettable mostly. It was alright, but asides the Robots who harvest organs and the rather unsubtle callbacks to "The Girl in the Fireplace" (which Moffat also penned) it is one we're going to be forgetting about quickly.

Incidentally, next episode might be another turn to adapt a Big Finish story.

I still kinda find it quite sad and dumbfounding that Moffat is so poor at running the show. The Doctor Dances, Blink(though only for the Weeping Angels), Silence in the Library and The Girl in the Fireplace are some really great stories that he wrote, I was really excited to have him take over, Fireplace in particular is one of my favourites. But they don't seem like they're written by the same man who's been running the show for the last few years(Angels take Manhatten was pretty great though).

In contrast to most of Moffats attempts at running things the episodes are well paced, have proper foreshadowing, no narrative hammerspace, the stories, characters and characterization are excellent, plot points arn't just glossed over or never explained, nothing feels forced, everything works and he doesn't forget established continuity. Even worse is that now he's in charge he forgets his /own/ fucking continuity, from ONE FUCKING EPISODE AGO.

hm... well the woman at the end cant be an evil river song because she has no regenerations left after giving them to the doctor.
the valeyard was at his last regen, as an alternate universe version of the doctor. those alternate universes are closed so they shouldnt realy use than as an excuse to make an alternate 'verse river to be bad with.

(besides, all we realy need from her on the tv side, is to see capaldi take her out for her birthday and give the that special sonic. while the river at trenzalore was supposed to feel like the end of the river song story, that was the mental projection / memory stored version of her, probably accessint the tardis somehow to cary on visiting becasue he never properly said goodbye to that version. we cant realy see the end of the physical rivers story fully untill we see him give her that sonic to complete the circle for his timeline.)

personaly, im hoping that we get more spin offs. i would be happy to see jenny (the doctors daughter) get her own show. this would mean there wasnt any need to change the dr who show much, and give them the female doctor as it were, without having to change / destroy the current show. i mean. why change perfectly good working characters genders just becasue *reasons and feminism*? you want strong female characters? they are all over games shows and stories. take THEM and make them into something wonderfull, as their own fully formed personas. not just clagging on a pair of tits to a male and saying look, i have boobs now.
i would not be averse to a spin off with the paternosta gang...but please give them a full hour too, not some 25min kids show. i allready know what happens to lesbian couples that fall afoul of the usa's ideas of kids show programming *points to mangled sailormoons with haruka and michiru being 'just good friends'*
we realy dont need another save our sailors over them.

as to the woman....you guys do know that the doctor is Times Champion yes? the first thoughts that occured to me are 'is that the tardis?' not meaning are they inside the tardis, but is that woman the personficiation of the tardis?
the seccond being 'i wonder if that is Time Herself?'
after all, he has been Her Champion for most of his life i think lol.

elvor0:
I still kinda find it quite sad and dumbfounding that Moffat is so poor at running the show. The Doctor Dances, Blink, Silence in the Library and The Girl in the Fireplace are some really great stories that he wrote, I was really excited to have him take over, Fireplace in particular is one of my favourites. But they don't seem like they're written by the same man who's been running the show for the last few years(Angels take Manhatten was pretty great though).

In contrast to most of Moffats attempts at running things the episodes are well paced, have proper foreshadowing, no narrative hammerspace, the stories, characters and characterization are excellent, plot points arn't just glossed over or never explained, nothing feels forced, everything works and he doesn't forget established continuity. Even worse is that now he's in charge he forgets his /own/ fucking continuity, from ONE FUCKING EPISODE AGO.

We'll agree to disagree on Blink, but yes - it's hard to imagine the guy who approved of turning the Cybermen into Borg Knock offs* wrote those episodes. The amount of badness creeping in, well, as I put it in conversation with others -

"The good news - we're getting a new Doctor! Bad news - Moffat is still running the show."

...Wait, it was seriously one episode ago? I think that's a new record.

*While Moffat did not write Nightmare in Steel, he had to approve the script, allocate funds etc etc.

Sir Shockwave:

Diddy_Mao:
If I had to pick anything about this episode that makes me slightly wary of the upcoming season it's the reveal of Missy.
Obviously we don't really have any firm grasp on her or her motivations just yet but I sincerely hope that the series villain isn't going to just be an overzealous fan girl.

This. Although to add to that, I'll bet there's fan theories going around right now that she's actually The Rani. Or a future regeneration of the Doctor. One of these theories is currently being passed around right now, I swear.

Back when they were still playing off the mystery of who and what Clara was I made mention a few times that I was hoping for her to be some sort of recurring incarnation of a fragment of the TARDIS still trying to reconnect with the Doctor after it exploded.

Obviously that turned out to be false.

So maybe it's my own desire to have my dopey fan theory turn out to be correct but I'm kinda hoping that Missy turns out to be some manifestation of the TARDIS. They've always hinted at the fact that it can be fussy, and jealous, and overprotective, and quite possibly a bit damaged.

I hope Missy turns out to be The Rani or a warped Romana.

I wasn't a fan of this episode for many of the reasons why I wasn't a fan of much of Matt Smith's tenure - it's become Clara's Story rather than Doctor Who. Clara isn't a particularly interesting character, and quite frankly I found the idea of 11 treating her as if he was her boyfriend more a sop for the shippers than anything borne out of their interactions. I hope that Capaldi can put his own stamp on the character, but I don't hold much hope.

Regarding 'Missy', much as I'd like her to be a representation of The Valeyard or a future Clara she reminds me of nothing so much as a female Master. Hell, even her name sounds like a shortened form of 'Mistress'. Although Michelle Gomez looks like Kate O'Mara I don't see bringing back The Rani as likely, at least in the live action series.

Sir Shockwave:

elvor0:
I still kinda find it quite sad and dumbfounding that Moffat is so poor at running the show. The Doctor Dances, Blink, Silence in the Library and The Girl in the Fireplace are some really great stories that he wrote, I was really excited to have him take over, Fireplace in particular is one of my favourites. But they don't seem like they're written by the same man who's been running the show for the last few years(Angels take Manhatten was pretty great though).

In contrast to most of Moffats attempts at running things the episodes are well paced, have proper foreshadowing, no narrative hammerspace, the stories, characters and characterization are excellent, plot points arn't just glossed over or never explained, nothing feels forced, everything works and he doesn't forget established continuity. Even worse is that now he's in charge he forgets his /own/ fucking continuity, from ONE FUCKING EPISODE AGO.

We'll agree to disagree on Blink, but yes - it's hard to imagine the guy who approved of turning the Cybermen into Borg Knock offs* wrote those episodes. The amount of badness creeping in, well, as I put it in conversation with others -

"The good news - we're getting a new Doctor! Bad news - Moffat is still running the show."

...Wait, it was seriously one episode ago? I think that's a new record.

*While Moffat did not write Nightmare in Steel, he had to approve the script, allocate funds etc etc.

Well, agreed that Blink itself isn't /that/ good as an episode, I should clarify and perhaps edit my post: I like it because of the Weeping Angels as a monster.

but i have to ask..why would the rani help the doctor?
she should still be pissed at him for leaving her rattling around the vortex, trapped in her own tardis, at the mercy of recently rebelled tetraps?

i also have a feeling, that the woman who voted against the time lords comming out of the space-time lock was romana.
assuming the books are considered somewhat cannon, we know that she becaem president of gallifrey some time befor the time war and that she was (probably peacefully voted off) replaced by a resurected rassilon becasue he was an old school timelord, from an earlier, more warlike time. (the woman timelord who you see covering her face with her hands in the tennant episode where the master and rassilon have a powers fight)

i have a feeling (after reading movie bob's review of the ep as someone who is semi-clueless about dr who lol)that alot of the stuff we saw in this episode is aimed at those who arent happy wbout capaldi beign the doctor...whole teenage girls and 20 somethings that were wailing and gnashing their teeth becasue hes old, hes ugly, hes scottich (so was david tennat XD and you allwanted to take him round the back of the tardis for a snog...)

i dont think hes old. hes mature. the doctor is allways mature, but hes never old. he grows older. but never grows up.
and clara is just having regen-shock. some companions get it when they are so used to the doctor they have allways had, they cant realy see them for the doctor they now have. rose was lucky in that she saw him change first hand. none of the others realy have seen him change. they hear about it but they dont realy *see* it. and we humans tend to only realy belive it when we see or feel it lol.

I like the darker direction this new doctor is taking. I always liked the more serious doctors, like Eccleston, Pertwee, and McCoy While I really enjoyed Tenant, it wasn't until his second series that he had a darker turn and I began to like him more. I really can't say the same for Smith; I felt like they changed the series to appeal to teenyboppers and hyped him up as a love interest with that strange love (quadrilateral? triangle? trapezoid?) garbage. Perhaps he's better for a different demographic, but what I loved about the Doctor(s) was his multi-demographic/ multi-generational appeal, at least among the fans I associate with.

Am I misremembering Time of the Doctor? I thought there was a pretty clear space in that episode for the phone call:

Old Doctor gets infused with time energy, blows up Daleks -> Old Doctor goes to the TARDIS -> Clara goes to the TARDIS -> Clara finds young-again Doctor -> Doctor regenerates.

Watching the episode Saturday, I thought it was pretty clear that the phone call was supposed to be taking place on 11's side after he had already reverted to his "starting" age, and so knew he was going to regenerate, but before Clara found him in the TARDIS. It still doesn't explain why he made the call - maybe he thought Clara wouldn't find him in the TARDIS until after he had finished regenerating? - but the "when" fits in pretty clearly. Again, unless I'm remembering incorrectly from Time.

Anyway, the episode was fine for me. I've never been super-nitpicky or critical when it comes to fiction, so unless something is glaringly out of place it doesn't faze me. My only big issues were Clara freaking out about the regeneration when she knows all about them - even discounting the whole falling-through-the-time-stream thing that doesn't appear to have had any impact going forward at all, she's still personally met two other regenerations of the Doctor, including one that looked older than Capaldi - and the tying together of a 51st century spaceship named after a long-dead French historical figure with a 19th century spaceship named after a French historical figure that had been dead for under a century, while the familiarity with dinosaurs implied that they had been around for much, much longer than that. What, did they fall through a hole in time from the distant future into the distant past, and we're just meeting them when they're close to getting caught up? Why was there such a massive disparity in time between the two ships? Why link them together at all, and then not explain at all how the link could possibly make sense?

...in short, Clara was the wrong companion to have a post-regeneration crisis and the linking of the Victorian droids to the Girl in the Fireplace droids was unnecessary and nonsensical, but everything else was solid. Once they'd gotten past re-introductions, I enjoyed the Twelve-Clara dynamic (old married couple actually is a pretty good way to describe it), and I'm looking forward to seeing more of that over the course of the season. Some of the hanging plot points felt a little unnecessary - the deal with who put the ad in the paper, who Missy is supposed to be - but some made sense to leave unresolved for now, simply because there's no reason they would know the answers yet, like why the Doctor took Caecilius's face. I'm intrigued to see exactly how they address that.

Was I the only one that thought Missy might be The Master (or Mistress in this case, which i would expect from Moffat)?

Sir Shockwave:

Diddy_Mao:
If I had to pick anything about this episode that makes me slightly wary of the upcoming season it's the reveal of Missy.
Obviously we don't really have any firm grasp on her or her motivations just yet but I sincerely hope that the series villain isn't going to just be an overzealous fan girl.

This. Although to add to that, I'll bet there's fan theories going around right now that she's actually The Rani. Or a future regeneration of the Doctor. One of these theories is currently being passed around right now, I swear.

You betted correctly; that she is The Rani was mine and a friend's response. Partly from hoping that there might be a villainous Time Lord appearance that isn't The Master.

MasterOfHisOwnDomain:

Sir Shockwave:

Diddy_Mao:
If I had to pick anything about this episode that makes me slightly wary of the upcoming season it's the reveal of Missy.
Obviously we don't really have any firm grasp on her or her motivations just yet but I sincerely hope that the series villain isn't going to just be an overzealous fan girl.

This. Although to add to that, I'll bet there's fan theories going around right now that she's actually The Rani. Or a future regeneration of the Doctor. One of these theories is currently being passed around right now, I swear.

You betted correctly; that she is The Rani was mine and a friend's response. Partly from hoping that there might be a villainous Time Lord appearance that isn't The Master.

If it is, it'll be long overdue. And maybe stop people bemoaning about the lack of a female Doctor X3

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