No Right Answer: Is Destiny Bullsh*t?

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Is Destiny Bullsh*t?

When Escapist Editor-in-Chief Greg Tito dared to mention his dissatisfaction in Destiny, the boys took it upon themselves to debunk (or verify) his statement. What do you think?

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The thing about WoW is that it is, to my knowledge, up front about its costs. People should have expected expansions, because Destiny was up front, but it seems as though they've gone into the realm of Activision's (?) proposed "pay for the ending" model for the story, and I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. And remember when everyone was mad over just the though of that occurring?

My main issue with Destiny is that it was marketed with a lie. Destiny is an MMO. The game was set up to be an MMO, the grinding system is from and MMO, the dungeons is layed out like an MMO. Does Destiny suck as a first person looter (Like Borderlands)? Yes, it is terrible but it isn't one. Does Destiny suck as a first person shooter MMO (that can only have 16 people in one area, so not very MMO)? Well, no I think it did a good job with that. Not a bad game but not a great one either. Great gameplay but not story to provide context and broken multiplayer. I would have been less disappointed with the game if I knew it was an MMO and then I could set my expectations. I was exporting something different and was disappointed when that wasn't what is was. Oh well. Still have fun for the 20 hours that I played it.

Borderlands series is much better.

I'll admit, that blun title made me laugh

Aren't all the bits where Destiny was compared to WoW rather irrelevant to this conversation? The question isn't "Is Destiny Better than WoW?" It's "Is Destiny a Load of Bullshit?"

To be fair, I haven't played the game so I really can't judge one way or another, all I know is that in terms of the story everything I've heard out of friends that have played the game is that it is indeed bullshit. Apparently Yahtzee's review of it was right on the mark when he said "It sure sounds like a lot of amazing stuff is going on in this war...too bad you're never a part of it." Jim's review said pretty much the same, that your character is supposed to be some super important person but really exists outside of the story.

Just a fun fact: all my friends that had bought Destiny (of which there were 5) have already returned it. :P

Destiny IS Bullsh*t.

1) It's boring.
2) It kicks you out of the mission even when your solo-ing because 'always on'is apparently the future.
3) If you don't pay for Xbox Live / PS+ then grinding is a huge pain.
4) No local Multiplayer.
5) Long loading times.
6) Constantly having to go back to the Tower.
7) Exploring can, and most likely will, get you killed by high level monsters.
8) Having to explore the same terrain over and over again.
9) Story didn't engage me, probably because the game encourages players to disregard it to play Multiplayer.
10)Anytime a story doesn't end right, instant bad mark. Paid DLC is insult to injury.

17 uses of the phrase "bull shit." It may be a record for you guys, but it's got nothing on that episode of South Park that said the word "shit" over 100 times UN-BLEEPED.

No public events in a shooter before? Tabula Rasa would like to disagree with you. It may not have been the best game ever, but it still beat Destiny to that particular milestone by 7 years.

Zachary Amaranth:
The thing about WoW is that it is, to my knowledge, up front about its costs. People should have expected expansions, because Destiny was up front, but it seems as though they've gone into the realm of Activision's (?) proposed "pay for the ending" model for the story, and I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. And remember when everyone was mad over just the though of that occurring?

I'd argue that the story in Destiny was weak as a whole, not that they are specifically holding out a conclusion for DLC. It tried to provide a worthwhile experience on it's own, while clearly (as Bungie shouted repeatedly to anyone within earshot) the first of many titles in the Destiny universe for people to buy at a later date.

OT: Come on, NRA; everyone knows Waldorf and Statler don't say, "Bahahahaha", they say, "DOH-Ho-Ho-Ho-Hoh".

The gameplay is good and is very solid and addicting, but the story is non-existent. It seems like what they wanted to do was sequel bait everyone, but the bait doesn't work if there was nothing to bite onto. Typically in a story where there is unknown and mystery things are discovered and the world is made whole. In Destiny nothing was ever explained.

Now, I play Destiny a lot because the gameplay is fun and I pretty much go on the patrol and put myself on auto-pilot. It is a time waster I play to just have something going on much like Tetris, Bejeweled or SimCity 2013. That doesn't mean I think Destiny is good as a whole. Same is true of games with great stories and meh gameplay. I have pushed myself through a game with meh gameplay because I needed to know what happened next. Final Fantasy XII comes to mind. I love those characters (outside of Vaan and Penelo) and the story and have good memories of that game.

There is a story to Destiny. it isn't just about running around killing Fallen and the other alien guys (I forget what they are called), but to find out about that story you need to read about it on Bungie's website. From playing the game, I have no idea who the Awoken are or who the Exos are. There is no point in even having different character races because everyone just uses the same dumb intro. It doesn't even matter most of the time because everyone is running around in helmets so all you can actually tell is the character's gender.

I do not care about their conflict, I do not care about who they are and when I started a new character I didn't feel like I was starting over because I never got the sense that I made any progress.

In other words - Destiny = Planetside? All right then. Pass.

I mean, I didn't like it when Borderlands did it. Too much repetition, not enough meat on its bones. But, also like Borderlands, I'll probably pick it up when the complete game is 5 bucks.

TorchofThanatos:
Does Destiny suck as a first person looter (Like Borderlands)?

I would like to credit you for putting the phrase "First Person Looter" into my head. This may be a common thing to others but I'd never heard it before. Thank you.

orangeapples:
Now, I play Destiny a lot because the gameplay is fun and I pretty much go on the patrol and put myself on auto-pilot. It is a time waster I play to just have something going on much like Tetris, Bejeweled or SimCity 2013.

While this isn't what you were saying, "Destiny : FPS Bejeweled" is pretty much exactly how I've been thinking of it, though hadn't had the words so clearly put before I read what you wrote. Thanks to you, too!

If your best defense is "Well, sure it's bad, but it's not as bad as this", you have no defense. It doesn't matter how bad WOW's pay system is, it doesn't matter that Destiny is a refined Halo. Bungie didn't deliver on their promises and is forcing players to pay more to get any semblance of a storyline, and that's bullshit.

LOL, you think they are going to conclude or even give you a story in the expansions? Don't hold your breath. I will be SHOCKED if there is really more to the dlc story than is in the leaked opening cinematic. Crota has returned, go kill him.

I've never played WOW. But I'm under the impression that it has a lot of big locations and TONS of unique equipment? Where as destiny has 4 small location and like 3 variations of generic equipment per class with like 2 dozen exotics that are actually unique. Of which you can only use 1 weapon and 1 armor. So even when you are maxed at the end game you are still basically the same look as you were in the beginning with maybe a cool helmet or gun.

Oh, and WOW isn't grindy because its fun. Its grindy so you have to play FOREVER to get stuff and keep paying monthly. Its basically an arcade machine. So why did Destiny copy that? Its NOT fun to play the same mission 100 times or more to try and level your stupid equipment, which is scaled during play so whats the point?

I can only assume its to keep you from selling the game, and to force you to buy the dlc just to have something new to do.

Sucks to be them, Destiny is such a disappointment its the first game I've sold back, maybe ever. Certainly since ps2. Screw Bungie, in 10 years when I can get basically the master chief collection for Destiny I might buy it. It might have a real story at that point. But I doubt it. Who will want such a dated grindy mess at that point.

Heres a hint. In this day and age when you claim to huge and expansive you need to remember we've all played skyrim or GTA. We know what expansive and interesting actually is, and heres a funny thing, it comes with both a story and a huge world. FU Bungie, Destiny has NEITHER.

Kahani:
No public events in a shooter before? Tabula Rasa would like to disagree with you. It may not have been the best game ever, but it still beat Destiny to that particular milestone by 7 years.

Firefall also has them... And that is 100% free AND expansive!
It has awesome bikes and flying.

Dan, you called Destiny "a solid platform to build on" (or sth alike)... but how about they make the platform BEFORE releasing the GAME. Cause people wanted a game, not a platform for whenever.

Kenjitsuka:
Dan, you called Destiny "a solid platform to build on" (or sth alike)... but how about they make the platform BEFORE releasing the GAME. Cause people wanted a game, not a platform for whenever.

Hes wrong there too. What platform did destiny make? That solid platform is all Halo.

What did destiny actually do new? Mind numbing grinding, horrible load times, terrible loot system, abysmal match making. Its not even a good interface. Guess what you made the console lead platform, don't design for a mouse. Idiots.

"So, you liked that thing with the Dinklebot and the Traveler and you having a... wait for it... DESTINY because that's the name of the game? Well, GIVE US MOAR MONEY, YOU PEASANT!"

This is how I'm interpreting the Destiny PR since the game's release. A cousin of mine keeps showing me screengrabs of his supposedly epic Hunter or however you call the basic "grunt" class in this thing. Every time, my response is something along the lines of "You DO know you're essentially ponying up hard cash for a 1080p cow clicker, right?"

His response is disheartening. "Yeah, I know, man, but I just like the grind."

If only different gear pieces significantly changed your playstyle or forced you to go back and forth between a more cautious approach and an aggressive one, I'd have some leniency to spare. The Diablo series is pretty great at making a single character evolve and shift over time, with entire build plans being laid to waste because of *one* incredibly lucky drop. Patch or no patch, I hear that the Engram drops remain terrible.

I'm fairly confident Bungie's much-vaunted ten-year plan won't mean much more than a few extra bells and whistles tossed in the Season Pass, followed by Destiny 2 and more Season Pass bullshit.

Is Destiny Bullshit?

Well, let me answer that question with another question.

Ya know what was the funnest part of Destiny for me? Shooting the Loot Cave....No really.

Not to be snide either. It really was fun. You get together with a bunch of people (who you don't have to chat with), shot aliens coming out of a hole for a couple hours, and every once in a while two mobs from the alien factions come out to fight you so you can test out some of that loot you got and fight with your shooting buddies against stronger enemies.

It really was FUN! :D

-_- And then Bungie killed it, because we were having fun the wrong way.....xp

RJ 17:

Just a fun fact: all my friends that had bought Destiny (of which there were 5) have already returned it. :P

Turing in my copy today. Didn't technically buy it (no it isn't stolen), it came with My PS4. So hopefully I can get some cash for it to use on a better game. ;p

Also, a Herman No Right Answer is Best No Right Answer. =w= b (<-Thumbs up face)

"We couldn't come to a conclusion because, like Destiny, we're more interested in stringing people along than closure."

How my mind finished Dan's end of episode summary.

Hey, at least I didn't say "bullshit!" ;p

Destiny IS bullshit and people like him saying otherwise is full of shit. The only thing it has going for it is the basic Halo style combat which is tight and fun. Everything else on the other hand is terrible. The story is barely there with no character or world development and no feeling of resolution at the end. The final boss is just three of the same one you fought earlier on the same planet with no changes to it. Endgame is just grinding the same 5-6 strikes that all take too long with bosses that take too fakking long to kill even with high end gear, all for one shot at a loot drop at the mercy of the RNG making that time spent feel even more like a waste. No trading between players, no social or LFG options in game for high end raids, background info hidden in grimoir cards you cant even read while in game, no choice how your character looks and few options in creation, and so on...

Having DLC planned in not an excuse, if you expect people to pay more for all the expansions just to get the story then fuck you. The Mass Effect games told a larger over aching story, yes, but each one still had a complete story of their own with a start middle and conclusion. Destiny on the other hand is like your grandpa reading a bedtime story but falls asleep after the first 5 minutes only to wake up sporadically and mumble incoherently about some vague darkness and shit you don't know cuz he never told you anything.

I happily pay a subscription in WoW because I get a quality product that I get my money's worth out of. Destiny I traded back to Best Buy after two weeks because it wasn't worth my time or money. And they are already working on Destiny 2 so that's just Activision saying "thanks for your cash, suckers!"

Destiny tries to be Borderlands, except Destiny trips over its own ambition and fails to deliver.

I'd love to give the Bladedancer a run, but having no story nor proper end game at this pricetag (and the fact that Activision is the publisher...) makes it a no deal for me.

My feelings on Destiny are a lot like Dragon Age 2. Both were over-hyped and became repetitive while having a story that really isn't there.

Bungie's biggest mistake was letting Activisions PR department start to hype the game years before launch and then they started to make comments about how "it will be redefining gaming" which it doesn't for it really doesn't feel like they are doing anything new, just taking ideas and concepts from other games.

What I think is probably one of the biggest bone-headed decisions as well is they decided not to release Destiny on the PC, but that is the market they probably would have wanted to release on the most because that is where a lot of people who play games like this reside with a lot of the grind-fest and light on story MMO's there are out there.

Heck I consider the base Diablo 3 to have a better story then Destiny and if anyone asks I would suggest they pick up Diablo 3 over Destiny.

Shjade:
"We couldn't come to a conclusion because, like Destiny, we're more interested in stringing people along than closure."

How my mind finished Dan's end of episode summary.

Hey, at least I didn't say "bullshit!" ;p

If you're going to make comments like that, you need a mic to drop.

Destiny is something that was intended to be something, then apparently internal strife mucked the hell out of it (particularly that head writer guy leaving and apparently having enough control or ownership of the story that they had to rewrite the entire thing in a few months and slap it in with minimal production values.) and Activision most likely forced them to hurl it out in its current state anyways.

Its reasonable enough shooter to hop on and have some fun with buddies. Anyone expecting a viable singleplayer experience clearly didn't do their research beforehand.You are clearly playing a mesh of content thats been heavily shuffled and repurposed though, and there's been obvious cases of even Developer's being confused about things (the ongoing roundtable of Iron Banner balancing for instance)

Time will tell if they can patch it up and fill in with DLC (paid or free) enough to get respect back for the sequel.

I am not going to lie here folks, I love Destiny. There is solid truth that the story is garbage but I find that it is overshadowed by solid gameplay, fluent combat, and eerily balanced PvP. If you disagree, thats fine, I understand why some people dont like. Destiny keeps me invested in playing the game with a perpetual device that Im not afraid to admit I love, and this device is also present in Borderlands (one of my favorite series).

I'm a simple man with simple desires...kill things to get better things that help you kill things better.

Hey, you don't put six places in your bullshit counter, then only get into double digits. #Checkov'sBullshitCounter

Does this mean we need a sequel episode with Greg Tito in it?

Yes. It is bullshit. Pure and simple.

It was marketed on a lie[1] and continues to prove just how shallow and vacuous it is, despite content updates.

That constitutes 'bullshit', as far as I'm concerned.

Kahani:
No public events in a shooter before? Tabula Rasa would like to disagree with you. It may not have been the best game ever, but it still beat Destiny to that particular milestone by 7 years.

That and Team Fortress 2. They do no less than three major, several-week-long events each year, and at times quite a bit more, depending on what content is being added.

[1] Or, in the very least, by generating false expectations.

Destiny is INDEED bullshit mainly because of the always online if they take that away i may give it a look. but it still looks like all spectacle and no substance. kind of like COD.

Shooters have done public events before. Planetside and Tabula Rasa (granted, it wasn't a pure shooter) both did public events. Planetside 2 has done holiday and anniversary events, though the developers didn't make any in-game appearances.

Nope its bullshit. They go on about a 10 year life for this game and they already talking about a fucking Destiny 2. Thats bullshit even more so when the game we have.....does not feel very complete or very much like what they told us. Story is abit.....no there. If it were not for the fact Bungie did Halo im sure this would not be doing as well as it is.

You are awakened when the need is most dire. You don your highly advanced armor and set off by yourself to defend mankind though you may meet an ally to fight with you along the way, albeit temporarily. A little floating robot helps you on your journey and proves to be very invaluable. You fight your way through several different alien enemy types ranging from small to medium to big. You weapons consist of pistols, shotguns, assault rifles, sniper rifles and rocket launchers and although its the far future, a more sufficient way to reload guns other than manually has yet to be discovered. Your armor provides you a shield that self regenerates but if you take too much damage after the shield goes down then you are killed. When you finish the game, a nice, heavy "To Be Continued" is dropped on your foot.

Am I talking about Halo or Destiny?

Answer: Yes

Was it just me or was the pro-Destiny side... trying too hard to be pro-Destiny? I get the feeling he wasn't feeling his own hype. Makes me wonder if the ones responsible for promoting this... bull... felt the same way.

If Borderlands was the Diablo 2 of shooters, then Destiny is the Diablo 3 of shooters: grind to the next grind to the next grind to the next grind, and RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG...

So sad now. Glad I have Freedom Wars, one of the few games this year to have both functional single-player and multi-player from the get go.

Is it Bullsh*t. I'd say no. Very disappointing? Yes.

Most of the blame can be thrown on Activision or whomever was in charge of promoting this game. They tried to sell it as something it totally wasn't. Gameplay is really tight and fun. But there are no reasons to play the game beyond playing with friends because the very limited amount of content caused fatigue, very quickly. Even when playing with friends.

I've long since given up on doing my dailies as the game doesn't hold any grip on me anymore. I'm holding onto a small hope that the DLC in December will help it out. But all it looks like it is going to do is keep me busy for a day before I am bored of the maps again. But it seems like 2014 is the year for disappointments. As there was a few good games but for the most part just flops.

It does suck as I did have a lot of faith in Bungie to put out a great game, but it seems when they sold their sold to Activision that any creative spirit was removed from the project. I hope they will be shocked when Destiny 2 comes out and it doesn't sell half as well, but knowing the gaming market as it is now. It'll probably still sell a ton.

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