Escape to the Movies: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - There and Back Again

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The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - There and Back Again

Well the Hobbit trilogy is finally complete, but was it worth stretching into three films?

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It might have been awesome to have that Godzilla fight at the beginning, but it still crippled the second film's ending and made it feel even more bloated than it already was.

But since I've finally watched the other two, I will probably see this if only to see how it all turned out.

Edit: I have seen it now. It's easily the best one of the three (on it's own merits), and I love how obvious it is with trying to "fix" the issues of the LotR films as well as Desolation of Smaug.

Well I haven't seen the last one yet I will say that I think the first two could have benefited from a trimming of 20-30 worth of stuff. They were just so damn long and some of the things felt like they were there just to push the movies towards three hours. The second one especially dragged with the both the barrel set and the final Smaug set being far too long (not to mention the total lack of pay off with the Smaug set).

That's the spirit, Bob. If you have fun with something, that's all that really matters.

Sweet. Looking forward to seeing it sometime in January.

I had no idea Jackson was a part of BrainDead. Cool.

I feel weird. I like the Hobbit movies, yet I feel like the fact that I like them is making Tolken roll in his grave. And unlike Lord of the Rings, I actually read the Hobbit in middle school. More times than I could count. I loved the shit out of it. I like the Hobbit movies but...it should've been one movie, two short movies tops, and I feel like maybe we could've benefited from a bit of a lighter tone. Don't get me wrong, some changes I like. The Dwarves actually having a plan to kill Smough as opposed to them realizing when they get there that they took thirteen dwarves and a Hobbit to fight a Dragon that burned two kingdoms to the ground when he was a teenager without a god damn clue of what they were doing. I get that Tolken might be pointing out that people do stupid things when it comes to money, but considering that everyone still got money in the end, even Bilbo a little, it rings a wee bit hollow. Also Gandalf leaving the party because HOLY SHIT NAZGUAL and actually trying to meet up with the Dwarves as opposed to "here's Mirkwood, have fun jackasses." And fleshing out the Dwarves? Perfectly fine with that. In the book the only one I remember getting any character besides Thorin was Bombur. And his character was basically "the fat guy."

Some changes felt unnecessary though. Like the Orcs. Azog was kind of cool, but I feel like it would've been cooler if he was on his own or leading a small pack of dedicated followers as opposed to trying to tie everything to the Lord of the Rings and making him a vanguard of Sauron. Not to mention Sauron is so OBVIOUSLY coming back with all the orcs running around here that you think everyone would've been running around in a panic in the Lord of the Rings Action scenes were a little too much too, after awhile the Orcs just stop feeling like a threat. It's one thing with the tiny goblins who clearly would have to rely on numbers, but the Orcs of Mordor? Or wherever it is they're from? Get out of here.

So...really complicated feelings.

I liked it. It was much better than the 2nd one. Plus I also don't care how much fan service or unnecessary it was:

i'm happy with the bloat its a well made world with nice production values and im more then happy to sit and watch it.

Lets be honest if they did this in 1 or even 2 movies then this winter would really suck.

I'll happily take a bloated Hobbit movie over nothing

the one thing i didn't like was Legolas dad telling him to go north at the end of the movie and why.

You know if you have fun with the movie I think that's ok. That's what these were supposed to be I think. I mean a bedtime story for kids usually is supposed to be light hearted or fun. These were never going to meet the grandeur of Lord of the Rings. Ever. So the fact that these turned out good and fun I think is about as much as we could've hoped for. Honestly though about a year from now I'll finally own all the films because you know there is going to be a 6 film collectors edition with all the extended editions of both the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings movies.

I'm not going to pretend that I won't see it, I did not feel it worth the effort to see the midnight premiere like I did with all the Lord of the Rings films and the two previous instalments of The Hobbit. The last one was just too disappointing. I don't mind fun action scenes, but when they come at the cost of the heart of Tolkien's works, I inevitably get disappointed, thus I have far less fun. (Though I'm far from surprised, we all saw it coming when it was announced that it would be another trilogy.) And I frankly think it's irrelevant how well the actors in it perform: the additional lame, unoriginal and unnecessary side plots are still lame, unoriginal and unnecessary.

Gizmo1990:
I liked it. It was much better than the 2nd one. Plus I also don't care how much fan service or unnecessary it was:

Ok, *that* I look forward to seeing...

bobdole1979:
i'm happy with the bloat its a well made world with nice production values and im more then happy to sit and watch it.

Lets be honest if they did this in 1 or even 2 movies then this winter would really suck.

I'll happily take a bloated Hobbit movie over nothing

the one thing i didn't like was Legolas dad telling him to go north at the end of the movie and why.

Yeah, about that. I haven't read the books or anything, but i was under the impression that the Hobbit took place 50 or 60 years before Lord of the Rings. Yet they phrased that last scene with Legolas in such a way that it seemed as if

was already born. Like i said, i didn't read the books, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't supposed to be in his 60's in LotR.

What I'd really love to see is Bob do an episode (maybe on big picture instead of escape to the movies) covering what he thinks of the extended edition once they are all out. I just saw the extended of Desolation a couple days ago, and let me tell you, it elevated that movie from probably a solid 7/10 to full on 10/10. All the pieces of the adaptation that I had WANTED to be in the theatrical movie were right where they were supposed to be, and certain parts of the plot (including WHOLE CHARACTERS COMPLETELY ERASED FROM SCENES) were right where I had wanted them to be. I am holding off on seeing the one for Journey until they release all three together in a box set, but I expect that the films are much better when everything that was left on the cutting room floor is put back where it belongs..

Ulquiorra4sama:

bobdole1979:
i'm happy with the bloat its a well made world with nice production values and im more then happy to sit and watch it.

Lets be honest if they did this in 1 or even 2 movies then this winter would really suck.

I'll happily take a bloated Hobbit movie over nothing

the one thing i didn't like was Legolas dad telling him to go north at the end of the movie and why.

Yeah, about that. I haven't read the books or anything, but i was under the impression that the Hobbit took place 50 or 60 years before Lord of the Rings. Yet they phrased that last scene with Legolas in such a way that it seemed as if

was already born. Like i said, i didn't read the books, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't supposed to be in his 60's in LotR.

Hes actually well into his 80's as of LOTR... The Dunedain are Men who are far longer lived. If I remember correctly he lives to be 400 or so.

GamerLuck:

Ulquiorra4sama:

bobdole1979:
i'm happy with the bloat its a well made world with nice production values and im more then happy to sit and watch it.

Lets be honest if they did this in 1 or even 2 movies then this winter would really suck.

I'll happily take a bloated Hobbit movie over nothing

the one thing i didn't like was Legolas dad telling him to go north at the end of the movie and why.

Yeah, about that. I haven't read the books or anything, but i was under the impression that the Hobbit took place 50 or 60 years before Lord of the Rings. Yet they phrased that last scene with Legolas in such a way that it seemed as if

was already born. Like i said, i didn't read the books, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't supposed to be in his 60's in LotR.

Hes actually well into his 80's as of LOTR... The Dunedain are Men who are far longer lived. If I remember correctly he lives to be 400 or so.

Interesting. I was not aware of that. Perhaps its time i got my lazy ass back in that couch and did some reading. Guess it all checks out then. Thank you for clearing that up for me!

Interesting, probably going to see it no matter what bob said thought.

While I'm one of the people who think The Hobbit shouldn't have been a trilogy, It's good to hear it goes out with a bang in this installment. Just imagine how all the actors feel about this whole thing being over.

If this is the new standard of bad in Hollywood then we're in for a glorious future.

Butt cereal, I understand peoples complaints but the movies have so much effort and fun I can't bring myself to not love the crap out of them. The Smaug stuff should have concluded in the last film but I enjoyed it regardless.

Honestly, I'm still so pleasantly gobsmacked by the LotR trilogy that I'm good with giving Jackson et al a victory lap, full stop.

That being said, I would've really liked to have seen him take the Hobbit and, using the same setting / look and feel, use his Super Awesome Directorial Skills to retain the kid-friendly simplicity of the books. And to cover it in a single movie.

It's not that what I've seen so far (first two of the Hobbit) has been bad. It just seems so crazy easy to have done on almost every level it comes off as a gratuitious victory lap. But, eh, back to my opening comment.

Gizmo1990:
I liked it. It was much better than the 2nd one. Plus I also don't care how much fan service or unnecessary it was:

"You should have stayed dead." Best. Line. Ever.

I enjoyed this movie a lot. I loved the battles in the Lord of the Rings movies, and this movie is literally just that. While I do admit that you could tell this movie was bloated, stretched, and cutting the whole thing into three movies instead of two wasn't the greatest idea, I'm in the same camp as Bob. The movies were fun, and this was a nice little trip back to Middle-earth.

Question! I was the only person in my theater to laugh at the end of the movie when a joke was made about relation of Bilbo's. Did anyone else here get the joke, or am I alone here?

Wait... there were actually supposed to be rams in the movie?!

1:07 Chariot being pulled by rams...
1:40 an entire DWARVEN RAM CAVALRY?!

Why the hell were they cut from the german screening? They're charging extra for an overlong film and then they cut what looks like a badass scene AND even explains where Thorin & co got their mounts from!

In the version I saw, there haven't been rams in the entire movie until the point where they saddle up.

We even made some jokes about MMO-style pocket mounts after the movie -.-

Enjoyed the film when I saw it on Tuesday (yay UK got a film first again) and even though it was mostly action it didn't feel like it dragged on to long like some films manage (the final fight in Godzilla).

Spiderman in the Avengers why do people want this? I have only read a few Spiderman comics, my Spiderman is from the 90's cartoons were he is a competent young adult but when ever they have put him in with the Avengers in a cartoon it's always as the incompetent kid sidekick and I hate that. If they did that in a film it would just ruin it for me as Spiderman is a big hero not a sidekick.

See, the question of whether or not The Hobbit would be a 'worthy successor' to Lord of the Rings, outside of just been worth watching in their own right was never a big deal for me. I love LOTR. I think The Hobbit is fun but ultimately pretty forgettable besides Smaug himself, and The Hobbit existing and not being quite as good does nothing to diminish the knowledge that I have LOTR on DVD and can go back and watch it as many times as I damn well please... which is a lot.

Also, I have to ask... was anybody REALLY expecting The Hobbit to land the same kind of impact as LOTR did a decade ago, regardless of what Jackson did with it?

P.S. If Spidey does ever show up in the MCU, I'm rooting so hard for Miles Morales. Peter Parker already has two movie canons in the past 15 years dammit. If we're really gonna have to face down another ground-up reboot, don't give us more of the same. You're Marvel, half the fun of going to your movies 7 years after Iron Man is that you can still surprise me.

Sniper Team 4:

Gizmo1990:
I liked it. It was much better than the 2nd one. Plus I also don't care how much fan service or unnecessary it was:

"You should have stayed dead." Best. Line. Ever.

I enjoyed this movie a lot. I loved the battles in the Lord of the Rings movies, and this movie is literally just that. While I do admit that you could tell this movie was bloated, stretched, and cutting the whole thing into three movies instead of two wasn't the greatest idea, I'm in the same camp as Bob. The movies were fun, and this was a nice little trip back to Middle-earth.

Question! I was the only person in my theater to laugh at the end of the movie when a joke was made about relation of Bilbo's. Did anyone else here get the joke, or am I alone here?

Nope I got the joke. Think I was the only one in my showing as well.

Ugh. I've been saying since the first Hobbit film that this is a disaster of Star Wars Prequel levels, and I still think history will be on my side in this. Not even considering that these films are structured and written awfully, "epic showdowns" in the context of the Middle-Earth universe isn't cool, it's contrived, infantile, and most importantly, contrary to the creator's vision. It's tantamount to neck beards sitting around having "who would win between"-discussions (which I guess is painfully accurate). Hell, even the most grandiose fight scenes from the Silmarillion were tinged with tragedy and melancholy more than anything else.

That this is now the "face" of the franchise is utterly devastating.

Gizmo1990:

Sniper Team 4:

Gizmo1990:
I liked it. It was much better than the 2nd one. Plus I also don't care how much fan service or unnecessary it was:

"You should have stayed dead." Best. Line. Ever.

I enjoyed this movie a lot. I loved the battles in the Lord of the Rings movies, and this movie is literally just that. While I do admit that you could tell this movie was bloated, stretched, and cutting the whole thing into three movies instead of two wasn't the greatest idea, I'm in the same camp as Bob. The movies were fun, and this was a nice little trip back to Middle-earth.

Question! I was the only person in my theater to laugh at the end of the movie when a joke was made about relation of Bilbo's. Did anyone else here get the joke, or am I alone here?

Nope I got the joke. Think I was the only one in my showing as well.

Out of interest what was the joke? I haven't had chance to go to the cinema yet.

Haven't seen the last one yet. But I've surprisingly enjoyed the first two way more than the Lord of the Rings movies. I don't hate LotR, but I also never really got into them too much either. In comparison... they got really boring, especially during the middle bit of the trilogy. But Hobbit, to me, has been mostly fun the entire way through, though unnecessarily long. More meaning or not, I'd still rather rewatch hobbit over LotR just on that logic alone.

Ulquiorra4sama:

GamerLuck:

Ulquiorra4sama:
Yeah, about that. I haven't read the books or anything, but i was under the impression that the Hobbit took place 50 or 60 years before Lord of the Rings. Yet they phrased that last scene with Legolas in such a way that it seemed as if

was already born. Like i said, i didn't read the books, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't supposed to be in his 60's in LotR.

Hes actually well into his 80's as of LOTR... The Dunedain are Men who are far longer lived. If I remember correctly he lives to be 400 or so.

Interesting. I was not aware of that. Perhaps its time i got my lazy ass back in that couch and did some reading. Guess it all checks out then. Thank you for clearing that up for me!

If you don't want to read it is also in the movies as well. Not in the theatrical release but in the extended version.
In The Two Towers Eowyn talks to Aragon and he reveals he is 87 at the time.

So yea he is alive during The Hobbit.

Hu I'm surpised Bob liked it. You never know...

All in all its good, LOTR was heavy and over the top so this being in the shadow of greatness without pissing on itself is a good thing. You are always going to get off adaptations depending on the drugs despeanced. So in all good, I'd like to see more doubt it tho but still its a good thing. If you have a large enough IP you can stipulate more things and even have some creative control, if you are big enough that is but I doubt it would make the project better just because in visual some mediums you are going to have to get enough average consumer support to make it worth anyone's time....

I'll give the whole thing a free pass if someone can confirm one thing for me; Does Bilbo still get knocked out prior to the battle starting? As long as they kept that part accurate, all the junk that happens after is completely fine to me.

ccggenius12:
I'll give the whole thing a free pass if someone can confirm one thing for me; Does Bilbo still get knocked out prior to the battle starting? As long as they kept that part accurate, all the junk that happens after is completely fine to me.

Not at the very beginning of the battle, but around before the eagles showed up. He doesn't wake up until the rest of the battle is more or less over. I do think that's about how it was in the book.

I do not recall the battle being all that detailed in the book, so I guess Jackson had some leeway in determining on how it went.

Mahorfeus:

ccggenius12:
I'll give the whole thing a free pass if someone can confirm one thing for me; Does Bilbo still get knocked out prior to the battle starting? As long as they kept that part accurate, all the junk that happens after is completely fine to me.

Not at the very beginning of the battle, but around before the eagles showed up. He doesn't wake up until the rest of the battle is more or less over. I do think that's about how it was in the book.

I do not recall the battle being all that detailed in the book, so I guess Jackson had some leeway in determining on how it went.

Thanks for that info. And yeah, in the book it basically goes "oooh, there's like, five armies and junk", and then Bilbo get's cold cocked within a couple seconds of the fight starting, regaining consciousness after the whole thing is over.

Is it just me or does it seem that recent adaptations of Tolkien's works seem to miss out on his "war only creates misery and tragedy" message?

I mean the entertainment can certainly be (and often is) fun, but I can't help but also feel that it's a sign of our times where "justifiable evil", in the form of military interventions and wars against global terrorist franchises, causes awful amounts of misery and refugee numbers comparable to World War 2.

Anyhow I'll wait for the inevitable extended versions of all 3 movies on DVD. Might as well get the complete experience at a lower price, kind of like buying games once all the DLC is included and at a discount. I'm cynical like that.

Ulquiorra4sama:

bobdole1979:
i'm happy with the bloat its a well made world with nice production values and im more then happy to sit and watch it.

Lets be honest if they did this in 1 or even 2 movies then this winter would really suck.

I'll happily take a bloated Hobbit movie over nothing

the one thing i didn't like was Legolas dad telling him to go north at the end of the movie and why.

Yeah, about that. I haven't read the books or anything, but i was under the impression that the Hobbit took place 50 or 60 years before Lord of the Rings. Yet they phrased that last scene with Legolas in such a way that it seemed as if

was already born. Like i said, i didn't read the books, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't supposed to be in his 60's in LotR.

He was, actually. Aragorn was at least in his 50's.

He's part numenorean, aka superhuman.

ccggenius12:

Mahorfeus:

ccggenius12:
I'll give the whole thing a free pass if someone can confirm one thing for me; Does Bilbo still get knocked out prior to the battle starting? As long as they kept that part accurate, all the junk that happens after is completely fine to me.

Not at the very beginning of the battle, but around before the eagles showed up. He doesn't wake up until the rest of the battle is more or less over. I do think that's about how it was in the book.

I do not recall the battle being all that detailed in the book, so I guess Jackson had some leeway in determining on how it went.

Thanks for that info. And yeah, in the book it basically goes "oooh, there's like, five armies and junk", and then Bilbo get's cold cocked within a couple seconds of the fight starting, regaining consciousness after the whole thing is over.

Not exactly, Bilbo goes "this is idiotic" after like five minutes and throwing some rocks and instead gives himself a bruise and finds someplace to hide under a rock until the fighting is over.

CoffeeOfDoom:
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I will put it in spoilers just in case

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