Escape to the Movies: Jupiter Ascending - Tries But Fails

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Jupiter Ascending - Tries But Fails

Jupiter Ascending feels like something was left on the cutting room floor.

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I was expecting it to just be poorly executed, at least judging by the trailer. I didn't realise that it was a film that just couldn't reach the heights that it had originally planned to surpass.

I was on the fence on this one for a while, glad to see your cold is finally gone.

Also wtf is pixels?

Fun fact, The Matrix was also supposed to be much smarter than it was... that ridiculous twist about the human bodies being used to "power" the Matrix? The high-concept was originally supposed to be that the brains of the humans were being used for processing power of the robots' machines, with the consciousnesses being dumped into a simulation to keep them occupied... and when Neo still had his powers after manifesting in the real world, that was supposed to be another "layer" of the Matrix, with the added social commentary that the cut-and-pasted "Revolution" Formula has already been merchandized, and if you really want to rebel against the system, you need to think outside the "Outside-The-Box Box" as well. But studio execs felt that the audience was too dumb to understand distributed computing (I'm not sure why they ditched the other twist, though... maybe someone wanted to keep the reassuring "fight-the-man" message at the expense of pointing out that it's really not that simple?). And now it looks like their vision has been cut down again?

But of course, in the days of the original Matrix, they didn't have Director's Cuts on DVD. I'll probably still see Jupiter Ascending in theaters for the sheer spectacle of the thing (and, I confess, just to support a new IP from the Wachowskis... it's a shame they didn't title this "Marvel's Jupiter Ascending, it'd make so much money that, well, that the Wachowskis would be signed to direct five sequels to it), but still, I too am looking forward to the Deleted Scenes at least.

Sylocat:
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Do you have a source for all this, or is it just fan speculation?

I particularly enjoyed Bob's use of images to emphasize his points in this video. Top notch and I'm sad this movie didn't hit the mark. I was really hopeful. Unfortunately this is the genre that Bob and I usually agree with so I don't have much hope that it'll turn out differently if I actually see it.

That's heartbreaking. The earliest trailers showed so much potential for a universe spanning, socio-economicly themed, political intrigue infused, sci-fi action laden space opera, but in the context of a Hollywood blockbuster vehicle, its nigh impossible to get all those parts working within a theatrical run-time. Its hard to say at this stage if the action focus came out of mutually agreed necessity or studio interference, but I would have loved what the film was trying to be. It seems like the best kind of science fiction literature a la Dune or Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but falls short cinematically. I still want to buy my ticket to see it, even if only to support the effort to maybe do this again next time, but I expect the film to only further diminish the studio clout of the Wachowskis.

Goliath100:

Sylocat:
Fun fact, The Matrix was also supposed to be much smarter than it was... that ridiculous twist about the human bodies being used to "power" the Matrix? The high-concept was originally supposed to be that the brains of the humans were being used for processing power of the robots' machines, with the consciousnesses being dumped into a simulation to keep them occupied... and when Neo still had his powers after manifesting in the real world, that was supposed to be another "layer" of the Matrix, with the added social commentary that the cut-and-pasted "Revolution" Formula has already been merchandized, and if you really want to rebel against the system, you need to think outside the "Outside-The-Box Box" as well. But studio execs felt that the audience was too dumb to understand distributed computing (I'm not sure why they ditched the other twist, though... maybe someone wanted to keep the reassuring "fight-the-man" message at the expense of pointing out that it's really not that simple?). And now it looks like their vision has been cut down again?

Do you have a source for all this, or is it just fan speculation?

I have this for the distributed-computing thing. I confess I thought the theory about Zion being part of the Matrix was confirmed instead of a theory, but it makes so much sense, and would have that added commentary whether or not it was intentional.

Well I must admit "the matrix in space" sounds a lot more appealing than "the hunger games" in space which was what I originally took it for.

Something that's been distracting me is the disgusting fucked up lips on who I assume is the main shit head sibling. The one who rises out of the pool of blue, rich space man goop.
He has like, C-List porn star levels of gross plastic surgery lip going on.
It's honestly kept me away from the film.

Perhaps the cinema gods (industrial complex) will see fit to give us a director's cut, with all the weightier stuff in it when she goes to DVD? One can only dream.

I get the feeling this is going to be one of those movies where the Directors/Extended cut is going to be very sought-after come home video release.

This movie always made me nervous.
Ive been waiting for a big budget original sci-fi IP for what feels like forever and when I saw this the first time it just seemed like a waste.
I couldn't get over the whole toilet scrubber inherits universe and must use their everyperson non powers to save the world concept.

Goliath100:

Sylocat:
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Do you have a source for all this, or is it just fan speculation?

I've heard this speculation before from people who wanted the sequels to be smarter. It's a compelling theory, but I don't know if the Wachowskis have would ever confirm it.

Of course, since Star Trek: Voyager did it, I don't know who would want to do it again.

If your speculation is indeed accurate, I certainly look forward to maybe seeing a Director's Cut version of the film someday. But as is, it seems like something I could stand to skip in its current form.

Also that one dude has gross lips.

Sylocat:
Fun fact, The Matrix was also supposed to be much smarter than it was... that ridiculous twist about the human bodies being used to "power" the Matrix? The high-concept was originally supposed to be that the brains of the humans were being used for processing power of the robots' machines, with the consciousnesses being dumped into a simulation to keep them occupied... and when Neo still had his powers after manifesting in the real world, that was supposed to be another "layer" of the Matrix, with the added social commentary that the cut-and-pasted "Revolution" Formula has already been merchandized, and if you really want to rebel against the system, you need to think outside the "Outside-The-Box Box" as well. But studio execs felt that the audience was too dumb to understand distributed computing (I'm not sure why they ditched the other twist, though... maybe someone wanted to keep the reassuring "fight-the-man" message at the expense of pointing out that it's really not that simple?). And now it looks like their vision has been cut down again?

I prefer the "battery" approach myself. Yeah, it doesn't make much sense, since they could just hook up a shitload of elephants for the same result, but humanity being enslaved to serve as consumption feels way more dire than humanity being enslaved because the machines need more RAM.

Jman1236:
I was on the fence on this one for a while, glad to see your cold is finally gone.

Also wtf is pixels?

Based on what I could dig up via IMDB,it's about when aliens misinterpret video signals from Earth (specifically, an arcade) to think it's an open declaration of war, a group of 1980's arcade players have to team up with the military to fight off the aliens. The trailer looks cool enough, then you learn Adam Sandler's in it. /facedesk

Meh. I was on the fence as well. was looking forward to a fantasy double-feature. But both this and Seventh Son seem to be getting a shrug and nothing more from reviewers. I may do it anyway, just to turn my brain off and escape for a day.

Yep don't see this show those film studio bosses that only sequels and remakes make money and original IP's are pointless /s

We all know that MCU 11 and Star Wars 7 are going to be the highest grossing films this year right?

Also yeah I can see WB cutting a big chunk off of this while turning a short book into a trilogy, goddamn fuck film studio bosses.

Oh it could just be that even the Director's Cut will suck because the Wachowskis have been, for lack of a better term, washed up. It happens. Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas flopped for a reason: because they weren't very good. And this is their third in a row. I think it's safe to say the world has left them behind.

Aiddon:
Oh it could just be that even the Director's Cut will suck because the Wachowskis have been, for lack of a better term, washed up. It happens. Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas flopped for a reason: because they weren't very good. And this is their third in a row. I think it's safe to say the world has left them behind.

Hey, I liked Speed Racer and I didn't even know that the Wachowski's made it until you said so. Sure, it wasn't the best movie ever but it perhaps is one of the best anime-based western movies out there.

OT: Shame, I'm hoping we get our hit original IP space opera but it seems this wasn't it.

Aiddon:
Oh it could just be that even the Director's Cut will suck because the Wachowskis have been, for lack of a better term, washed up. It happens. Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas flopped for a reason: because they weren't very good. And this is their third in a row. I think it's safe to say the world has left them behind.

Can't comment on "Speed Racer" because I haven't seen it but Cloud Atlas WAS very good, brilliant even. It was kinda impenetrable though and I can forgive people for giving up in the first hour or so if it hasn't gripping them. It's expecting quite a lot from an audience to keep track of six different stories that are only related thematically and even that isn't very obvious until well over an hour.

It only really flopped in the U.S, as is my understanding, it did pretty well in the rest of the world.

Casual Shinji:

Sylocat:
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I prefer the "battery" approach myself. Yeah, it doesn't make much sense, since they could just hook up a shitload of elephants for the same result, but humanity being enslaved to serve as consumption feels way more dire than humanity being enslaved because the machines need more RAM.

To each their own, but I think if the situation is less "dire," then it has more moral complexity. I liked the idea of the machines being less over-the-top cartoonishly evil.

Aiddon:
Oh it could just be that even the Director's Cut will suck because the Wachowskis have been, for lack of a better term, washed up. It happens. Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas flopped for a reason: because they weren't very good. And this is their third in a row. I think it's safe to say the world has left them behind.

Dude, Speed Racer was amazing, what are you talking about?

Hope that they release a Director's cut version on DvD that adds meat to the skeleton?
I really would love to see this film. But I don't want to pay cinema viewing price for something that's not working.

So this is the Matrix/fight club/blade runner effect again. It'll gain some huge cult following once the directors cut comes out. (Not all those became cult classics because of a directors cut, I just mean the at home version).

Thats a shame, it's been proven several times now that audiences don't care about run time. I hate that they keep doing this.

Sylocat:

Casual Shinji:

Sylocat:
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I prefer the "battery" approach myself. Yeah, it doesn't make much sense, since they could just hook up a shitload of elephants for the same result, but humanity being enslaved to serve as consumption feels way more dire than humanity being enslaved because the machines need more RAM.

To each their own, but I think if the situation is less "dire," then it has more moral complexity. I liked the idea of the machines being less over-the-top cartoonishly evil.

Aiddon:
Oh it could just be that even the Director's Cut will suck because the Wachowskis have been, for lack of a better term, washed up. It happens. Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas flopped for a reason: because they weren't very good. And this is their third in a row. I think it's safe to say the world has left them behind.

Dude, Speed Racer was amazing, what are you talking about?

I don't know it bored me to tears, but I never liked the original either.

The plot of Pixels sounds a hell of a lot like an episode of Futurama.

piscian:

Aiddon:
Oh it could just be that even the Director's Cut will suck because the Wachowskis have been, for lack of a better term, washed up. It happens. Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas flopped for a reason: because they weren't very good. And this is their third in a row. I think it's safe to say the world has left them behind.

Dude, Speed Racer was amazing, what are you talking about?

I wasn't really following movies around the time it came out so I might not be remembering correctly, but I thought critics largely demolished Speed Racer. Nowadays Bob and a few other people plug it some I'm wondering if there really was something being left out of the conversation?

vid87:

piscian:

Aiddon:
Oh it could just be that even the Director's Cut will suck because the Wachowskis have been, for lack of a better term, washed up. It happens. Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas flopped for a reason: because they weren't very good. And this is their third in a row. I think it's safe to say the world has left them behind.

Dude, Speed Racer was amazing, what are you talking about?

I wasn't really following movies around the time it came out so I might not be remembering correctly, but I thought critics largely demolished Speed Racer. Nowadays Bob and a few other people plug it some I'm wondering if there really was something being left out of the conversation?

I don't think Bob was actually praising it. He was more talking about the Bros thinking out of the box in terms of design and presentation. speed racer is universally panned for have cool bright color and action but lacking in cohesion in the storyline. Its very pretty to look at but just kind of boring.

Lightknight:
I particularly enjoyed Bob's use of images to emphasize his points in this video. Top notch and I'm sad this movie didn't hit the mark. I was really hopeful. Unfortunately this is the genre that Bob and I usually agree with so I don't have much hope that it'll turn out differently if I actually see it.

It's the images he uses that sell it, like Shigeru Miyamoto at "God", and what looked like Nick Park-animated sheep (I think, it went by pretty fast). I was hoping Bob would make fun of that whole "I'm better than all the sheeple around me" mentality some more. People who think like that are incredibly arrogant, and usually have no idea they're just following a different shepherd.

OT: I might see this if I have time, just for the wiz-bang action beats and crazy visual effects. But to me, the "deliberate over-population of planets to harvest body parts" scheme makes even less sense to me than The Matrix's.

Wasn't pixels a short video made years ago that had a tv exploding, video game stuff starting to attack, and eventually a bomb of some sort pixelizing the world into a cube?.....and they're making an entire movie off of that?!

What I took from Bob's review is that this is either a good movie that was poorly edited together. And as someone else mentioned, it may be better to wait for the "actual" movie, when it's released as the director's cut.

Or...

This is a premise that could've been a good movie, but was gutted of its potential, and dumbed down into a generic sci-fi action flick.

Not sure which point he was pushing.

The ads did look a little scattered, sad to hear that seems to be true of the whole movie.

I'm assuming Seventh Son is also a mess, but has anyone seen it to confirm/deny?

Translation: Wait for the Director's cut.

what you've said about jupiter ascending is the exact same scenario for destiny

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