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Hi everyone. Long time "lurker"; I felt the need to register to express how awful this comic is. I feel bad to register with such a profoundly negative purpose, but ESCAPIST - get your act together.

Aaron Williams, people are saying your work elsewhere is good. This certainly is not.

Person above me is correct; this comic's crap.
A web comic is a visual medium, but all of FFN's 'humour' is delivered in really big speech bubbles. Nobody can be bothered wading through all the text to find whatever the gag of the day is.

Take a look at Critical Miss on this website; they well understand the point of visual gags for a web comic.

Lord Quirk:
Person above me is correct; this comic's crap.
A web comic is a visual medium, but all of FFN's 'humour' is delivered in really big speech bubbles. Nobody can be bothered wading through all the text to find whatever the gag of the day is.

Take a look at Critical Miss on this website; they well understand the point of visual gags for a web comic.

Gonna refer you to the Sunday comic section of your local newspaper. There's not a huge amount of visual gags outside of one panel comics. I'll also refer you to the multitude of writing Bill Waterson's done on the comic strip medium.

I thought it was pretty funny. Haters can feel free to not read it. It takes no time or effort to do so :D

Seriously, escapist, this is shit.
I tried to like it this time, but it's just not that funny. If you're so desperate for content, then why not bring Unforgotten realms back as a webcomic? People would actually be excited for something like that.

Not this giant wall of text with uninspired characters that never emote.

...I don't get it.

There are not a lot of posts ahead of mine but people seem to really not like this comic. I'm...indifferent about it but can someone explain to me what the joke was? I feel kind of dumb having to ask but I'm going to feel even more dumb if I can't figure it out.

tippy2k2:
...I don't get it.

There are not a lot of posts ahead of mine but people seem to really not like this comic. I'm...indifferent about it but can someone explain to me what the joke was? I feel kind of dumb having to ask but I'm going to feel even more dumb if I can't figure it out.

PCs doing questionable things "for the exp".

Like how I justify picking every lock in Fallout: New Vegas "don't worry guys I'm not gonna steal your stuff, I just want the xp" or picking whatever choice in the story nets you the greatest xp reward <_<

Corey Schaff:

tippy2k2:
...I don't get it.

There are not a lot of posts ahead of mine but people seem to really not like this comic. I'm...indifferent about it but can someone explain to me what the joke was? I feel kind of dumb having to ask but I'm going to feel even more dumb if I can't figure it out.

PCs doing questionable things "for the exp".

Like how I justify picking every lock in Fallout: New Vegas "don't worry guys I'm not gonna steal your stuff, I just want the xp" or picking whatever choice in the story nets you the greatest xp reward <_<

That's kind of what I thought but panels #2 and #3 confused me. I suppose that makes sense still since the PC is trying to convince the NPC that what he's doing is not evil (like your lock picking example).

Either way, thanks for the quick explanation.

I thought it was funny, I guess the Haters don't get subtlety.

This strip is pretty awful. CAD-tastic proportions of awful. All wordswordswords, zero expression and no punchline. Comedy is but a happy accident for these people.

008Zulu:
I thought it was funny, I guess the Haters don't get subtlety.

Criticism equals hatred, and haters are stupid. How mature.

I enjoy this one. I do have an odd sense of humor though. And yeah. Don't let those NPCs get uppity...

I don't get it either.

Can someone explain the continuity between the panels?

I guess doing anything for XP could make someone an inhuman abomination. I suppose. But, I don't really recall there being a lot of pointless slaughtering in Baldur's Gate 2, unless you purposefully played it that way?

And the deleting? What's that about? It would make thematic sense if he was threatening to pick-pocket/kill the NPC for questionable XP, but what....

Add another to the pile of dislike.

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Watterson meta'd this point once and only once because he's right - this format is terrible for comics.

If you insist on dialogue-or-monologue-only jokes, at least take cues from Critical Miss, where he gives some panels for the characters to emote, make dumb faces, and play around with the word balloon format.

Comics are a combination of visual art and text. Use both. If your comic can be converted to plainitext using a single line of context ("The PC completes a sidequest in Pillars of Eternity") and then nothing but written dialogue, you're not doing a good job. At least the aforementioned Critical Miss comic requires extra lines to describe Elliot's actions and Erin's expressions.

That last panel doesn't really follow, and the strip doesn't really have a punchline. It's not a terrible setup, but it really needs to capitalize on it.

Versuvius:
I thought it was pretty funny. Haters can feel free to not read it. It takes no time or effort to do so :D

Haters as opposed to Likers? Or is this what we call fanboyism, or an apologist? Bloody oath. Anyone else want to use these stupid labels?

I'm just here to read the comments. XD

This comic already had it's three strikes two strips ago, but five bad comic strips in a row is certainly impressive. This comic series has been going on since 2001, and it still violates the cardinal rule of y'know, making them good: Not flooding the page with wordswordswords.

At this point, I am only really reading them to see how awful they are.

Yeah, I'm sorry to say I don't find these particularly funny, either. People said in the comments of the earlier ones near the start of the series, that there are really clever and funny strips on the main page, but if The Escapist only gets the runoff, then I don't know why I'd want to read this series here. Or there, honestly, because what we see here doesn't put the comic's main page in a particularly positive light, either. I guess it wouldn't matter to folks who are already fans of the comic, but to those of us who didn't know it yet, this is not the best advertisement.

justmyopinion:
you know, every time i check the comments on this webcomic, i see the same trolls crying "too many words - this sucks" and "i don't get it - this sucks"

Quit clicking the dang links, idiots.

I'm sorry for you that your mental abilities barely cover tying your shoes. I weep for the future of mankind that has such lazy, stupid, ignorant individuals in it. To quote Handy, "Read a book, you're makin' us look stupid!"

The jokes are funny, there is a punchline, if there's too many words and it makes your brain hurt to understand things beyond "poop - fart - dick" go back to your mindless video games and porno-flash-toons and just STFU already.

If the humor is too high-brow for you, quit coming back. You don't need to tell us, we already know you're too dumb to get it. No need to remind us, TRUST US we know you are there.

Uh oh, someone didn't pass Criticism 101 OR read the terms that he agreed to when he made his account!

If you honestly think that you're in the moral superiority because you like a comic that's all words and no comic, then I weep for the future of the medium, albeit not mankind (I'm not THAT dramatic). Read a Bill Watterson interview or two, you'll figure out the real problem we have with it.

I've done the quest in the subject, I understand the reference completely, I also get how you can create characters to fill out your party with the game - and it still isn't funny.

Had a good setup and it fell flat with the gamer arguing with a construct of his own design?

justmyopinion:
you know, every time i check the comments on this webcomic, i see the same trolls crying "too many words - this sucks" and "i don't get it - this sucks"

Quit clicking the dang links, idiots.

I'm sorry for you that your mental abilities barely cover tying your shoes. I weep for the future of mankind that has such lazy, stupid, ignorant individuals in it. To quote Handy, "Read a book, you're makin' us look stupid!"

The jokes are funny, there is a punchline, if there's too many words and it makes your brain hurt to understand things beyond "poop - fart - dick" go back to your mindless video games and porno-flash-toons and just STFU already.

If the humor is too high-brow for you, quit coming back. You don't need to tell us, we already know you're too dumb to get it. No need to remind us, TRUST US we know you are there.

What a first post! Welcome to the Escapist, stay out of the basement. Do make an effort to read the rules, sir or madam.

OT: The comics aren't too intelligent or too subtle, they're just not very funny (for several of us anyway). Maybe some people didn't get the reference with this one since it's a relatively new game. An intelligent comic strip, with subtlety would be Calvin and Hobbs (as has already been mentioned). I find it very hard to believe that the problem with this strip is that the people who enjoy Calvin and Hobbs are too stupid to get Williams'jokes.

RedDeadFred:

justmyopinion:
you know, every time i check the comments on this webcomic, i see the same trolls crying "too many words - this sucks" and "i don't get it - this sucks"

Quit clicking the dang links, idiots.

I'm sorry for you that your mental abilities barely cover tying your shoes. I weep for the future of mankind that has such lazy, stupid, ignorant individuals in it. To quote Handy, "Read a book, you're makin' us look stupid!"

The jokes are funny, there is a punchline, if there's too many words and it makes your brain hurt to understand things beyond "poop - fart - dick" go back to your mindless video games and porno-flash-toons and just STFU already.

If the humor is too high-brow for you, quit coming back. You don't need to tell us, we already know you're too dumb to get it. No need to remind us, TRUST US we know you are there.

What a first post! Welcome to the Escapist, stay out of the basement. Do make an effort to read the rules, sir or madam.

OT: The comics aren't too intelligent or too subtle, they're just not very funny (for several of us anyway). Maybe some people didn't get the reference with this one since it's a relatively new game. An intelligent comic strip, with subtlety would be Calvin and Hobbs (as has already been mentioned). I find it very hard to believe that the problem with this strip is that the people who enjoy Calvin and Hobbs are too stupid to get Williams'jokes.

I enjoyed this strip which is the 2nd I've seen of these guys, and I was planning to skim over it just like I do critical miss, and I had no idea what was going on, so I had to go back and read it for comprehension, and thought it was great. We need more comics like these imo.

Colour Scientist:
I'm just here to read the comments. XD

Glad to see I'm not the only one. I might have felt bad for enjoying the fallout every time these guys make a comic if I was the only one.

This is pretty weak, I am sorry to say. The idea is okay but the joke itself is poorly delivered with blocks of boring, unfunny dialogue. This is sincere criticism because otherwise I think your comic is a neat concept and the art is pretty good.

For several weeks its been bothering me about what this comic series reminds me of... And it just clicked!

Guys! Girls! Is it just me or is this an even more unfunny version of game dogs?! I mean, its even worse! And i didnt even think that was possible! The same flat dialogue, comics that have no punchline and are just mind numbingly dull!

Capatcha: mumbo jumbo

Could not have said it better myself!

This is the first comic I've read of the strip. I clicked on it because I thought it was going to be about the censorship in PoE, which is a topic that interests me right now.

I can't say I hated it as much as all the other complainers, but it wasn't that good. I thought it was pulling some abortion joke, and then just meandered away to something else about game mechanics? Maybe playing PoE would change that perception, but this was still a pretty poorly delivered comic. I didn't even see a punchline.

I dunno. It took me a second to get it, and I didn't laugh out loud or anything, but I thought this one was pretty neat...

So, I've chuckled at some of the earlier ones (the one from Besiege comes to mind), but this one just felt...off. It seemed like it came from the desire to make a comic for the new game, not make a comic because it was funny or interesting. I don't mind text walls, I mean

is one my favorite PA Strips - but they text is used for a point of ridiculousness, and makes sense for Tycho to talk that much. It also helps that in instances where characters are playing a game, most strips like Penny Arcade or Critical Miss will put the main strip's character's face or features on the video game avatar. I have no idea who the speaking character is in today's strip, so I have nothing to compare their behavior to. I assume they're one of the "real world" characters from before, but the full armor and helmet means I can't assume who it is.

I'm okay with comics using games for punchlines, but the strip should still make some form of sense when the reader hasn't played the game. This strip just seems clunky - what is that elixir? Why are you bringing up new elements (Baldur's Gate II, another character who knows they're in a game) at the end of the strip instead of a punchline continuing from the earlier panel?
Using another PA example:


I've never played Rainbow Six: Black Arrow, but the visual is goofy, I can tell there's a problem with the game's hit detection, and the punchline has a nice dry humorous tone. It was a comic strip about games that didn't require the player to have spent hours playing to get the joke.

The X-Files strip last time was another strip I chuckled at, even as someone who hasn't finished X-Files. The joke made sense, the premise (A rebooted series) was established early, and there was enough text to explain without over wording the situation. It was a nice, contained strip. This one starts with "already in progress," (which isn't needed, and could have remained only in the title), and just had an adventurer returning the quest item. Here, the joke just doesn't make sense - I got hung up on the elixir name, which caused me to over read every other part of the comic looking for an explanation. The Player Character idea is interesting, but we've established that THE PC is explaining the upsides of being a player character. Why would there be a second player character in a single player RPG? How would saying "don't' worry, someone else will control your child's every action" be of a comfort?

I think it could have worked much better if the Knight only said "Don't worry, I don't have a soul, and look how I turned out," followed by the mother's statement and the follower's (sort of out of place) question, with the knight's response as the punchline.

I don't know how many strips you've written - I'm only going off of what I see here. And I see a reliance on verbosity that cuts off the punchline or undermines it with poor pacing. The art's pretty good - let that carry some of the writing. It's a comic strip, not a text adventure.

EDIT: Reading above comments I've realized that some party members can be created by the player to flesh out the grouping - giving multiple PCs in a single player RPG. That said, for an element that the comic relies on so heavily, that should have been better explaining in the context of the joke (such as with the X-Files where the characters discuss the reboot).

Whoa, first page of comments and three users got warning? Talk about flying of the handle!

OT:
I found the joke kinda funny. Not Critical Miss or IAMARG funny, but still funny enough to make me giggle. And it's not like those aforementioned comics poop gold on every issue either.

True, there is a bit too much text in comparison to art - characters and text split the panels almost 50/50, while being closer to 75/25 in favour of characters might be preferable. The characters do emote, but due to how tiny they are it gets lost.

For those calling people not getting the joke stupid: sure, because everyone gets every joke Critical Miss makes, right?

For those who didn't get the joke:
The Knight (PC) is trying to manipulate that mother-to-be into giving birth to a monster so he can later slay it for XP. The blond NPC (is that a guy or a gal?) calls him out on it bringing BG2 save-game as evidence and the Knight contemplates killing that NPC, possibly for more exp.

(nitpick: when there is a choice of good/evil, good quest lines actually award more XP in BG2, thus actively discouraging evil play-through. The only evil quests without good alternative I can recall is finishing the evilonly leather armor and Dorn's quest line in EE; meaning the Bhaal-spanw would really have to honour his father and murder everything, which he could, for this comic to make sense)

Time for me to chime in pointlessly and add to the echo chamber of discussion.

I dont like this comic or the others done by this guy, i have absolutly nothing against the content or nature of the jokes, i just do not find it fun. You might say i am too simple to 'get it' but honestly i've understood the humor in all the comics thus far but it hasn't so much as made me smile.

Granted this sort of thing is going to be different for everyone because humor is extremely subjective, i guess so far nothing has struck a cord for me. I do agree with some of the critcism leveled in this thread though, you rely way too much on dialogue and alot of it is flat and uninteresting. The artwork is servicable but the characters don't realy show much emotion of any kind, or to be more generous the subtle changes to expression are easy to miss.

Whatever my opinion though it is certainly more talented than anything i could make and despite my early reservations i will keep reading even if it is just to be proven wrong.

dangoball:

For those who didn't get the joke:
The Knight (PC) is trying to manipulate that mother-to-be into giving birth to a monster so he can later slay it for XP. The blond NPC (is that a guy or a gal?) calls him out on it bringing BG2 save-game as evidence and the Knight contemplates killing that NPC, possibly for more exp.

I interpreted the joke differently, what i saw was that allowing the child to be born as a player would infact not save it's soul as the mother thinks because the player character himself is souless, he is willing to commit attrocities in order to win. There is no guarantee the child will be a good person if given free choice to do what they like within the game enviroment.

The line about needing XP certainly gives more creedence to your explanation than mine, but having an additional party memeber with free will could also help them gain XP even if said memeber is a murderer.

To be honest i think your explantion is more accurate, it certainly requires less context to justify.

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