Avengers - Age of Ultron - Great Fun

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Avengers - Age of Ultron - Great Fun

Avengers: Age of Ultron may not live up to the last Marvel Cinematic Universe team-up film, but it doesn't need to in order to be an incredibly enjoyable experience.

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I have to disagree with the first Avengers being better then Age of Ultron. Sure it was fresh in that it was the first time such a group of heroes was brought together on the big screen in a film which many had thought impossible, but it had a fair deal of pacing issues such as 40 of the first 50 minutes being a drag, and there being plenty of scenes which could have been left out of the film that wouldn't have effected the plot or characterization.

Age of Ultron feels like a more finely tuned machine where the lessons learned from the first Avengers where used to refine the final movie, since despite its runtime it never had a scene which outstayed its welcome.

One thing I am disappointed about is the ending though, which made my whole screening audience either groan, roll their eyes, or in my case yell "oh come on" due to the editing which could not have been unintentional.

Great movie though, I feel as though I'll probably see it at least two more times this month.

Have to agree, the opening scene is definitely a highlight, with all the characters working together, using their synergies to do stuff and such.

What really confused me though were the antagonists.
The twins look and feel like X-Men, which I believe they actually are but also not, propably because copyrights? I don't know, I haven't looked into it too much.
And while Ultron was great, I feel like most of the time he's not too menacing, and a bit too human, which I guess was the point because that was his flaw I guess, but I don't know. He seemed like a nice guy most of the time, and that added something to it as well, but his initial reveal scene was still his best moment.

Still a great movie.

Piorn:
The twins look and feel like X-Men.

Yes, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are from the X-Men franchise, specifically children of Magneto. 20th Century Fox currently has the rights to everything X-Men and mutant related, so Marvel is skirting around the issue by having them be there but not specifically as mutants.

Zontar:

One thing I am disappointed about is the ending though, which made my whole screening audience either groan, roll their eyes, or in my case yell "oh come on" due to the editing which could not have been unintentional.

Do you mean the scene where

Piorn:

Zontar:

One thing I am disappointed about is the ending though, which made my whole screening audience either groan, roll their eyes, or in my case yell "oh come on" due to the editing which could not have been unintentional.

Do you mean the scene where

Honestly, I'm less concerned about the line-up than the director. I mean, who the hell are they going to get that come even close to Whedon's skill with large ensemble casts? I'll miss the classic Whedonesque banter either way, but will the next one even be able to stand under the weight of it's team size? Whoever they get next is going to have to be godly, and I just don't know who it could be.

Piorn:

Zontar:

One thing I am disappointed about is the ending though, which made my whole screening audience either groan, roll their eyes, or in my case yell "oh come on" due to the editing which could not have been unintentional.

Do you mean the scene where

Close, but no cigar.

Scars Unseen:

Piorn:

Zontar:

One thing I am disappointed about is the ending though, which made my whole screening audience either groan, roll their eyes, or in my case yell "oh come on" due to the editing which could not have been unintentional.

Do you mean the scene where

Honestly, I'm less concerned about the line-up than the director. I mean, who the hell are they going to get that come even close to Whedon's skill with large ensemble casts? I'll miss the classic Whedonesque banter either way, but will the next one even be able to stand under the weight of it's team size? Whoever they get next is going to have to be godly, and I just don't know who it could be.

Avengers Infinity War parts 1 and 2 will be directed by the Russo Brothers, who directed Captain America: The Winter Soldier and are also making Captain America: Civil War (which is basically a mini-Avengers movie at this point) so I'm not worried. I actually like their work more then Whedon since there are some clichés his work always has which I'm honestly happy to see leave with him.

Scars Unseen:

Honestly, I'm less concerned about the line-up than the director. I mean, who the hell are they going to get that come even close to Whedon's skill with large ensemble casts? I'll miss the classic Whedonesque banter either way, but will the next one even be able to stand under the weight of it's team size? Whoever they get next is going to have to be godly, and I just don't know who it could be.

The Russo brothers who directed Winter Soldier will direct Avengers 3 as well as Civil War. Also at least I thought the constant joking banter became duller and duller as the movie went on. It's a matter of taste, of course, but I think even the moments when I could've laughed a bit were ruined by the audience chuckling like maniacs in the theatre.

edit: wow those ninja skillz

I liked Winter Soldier, but do they have any experience with ensemble shows? That's going to be the real problem. Whatever else Whedon brings to his work(yeah, his stuff does have cliches, but they're well executed IMO, and not just thrown in lazily... artfully done might be how I'd put it), he's undeniably experienced and skilled at juggling large casts of characters.

Piorn:

What really confused me though were the antagonists.
The twins look and feel like X-Men, which I believe they actually are but also not, propably because copyrights? I don't know, I haven't looked into it too much.
And while Ultron was great, I feel like most of the time he's not too menacing, and a bit too human, which I guess was the point because that was his flaw I guess, but I don't know. He seemed like a nice guy most of the time, and that added something to it as well, but his initial reveal scene was still his best moment.

Still a great movie.

To be honest I think the Twins do more to be awesome in action scenes and good in characterisation (despite Whedon's trademark single character-itis) than the X-Men do in their own films. Though that may be because I love telekenesis and the fast movement thing Quicksilver does. We just need an equivalent of Blink in the next Avengers to make things even more awesome.

Slycne:

Piorn:
The twins look and feel like X-Men.

Yes, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are from the X-Men franchise, specifically children of Magneto. 20th Century Fox currently has the rights to everything X-Men and mutant related, so Marvel is skirting around the issue by having them be there but not specifically as mutants.

Nope there're not Magneto's children anymore in fact originally they weren't then ret-conned to being his kids and now have been ret-conned back to not being his kids "comic's are weird".

Scars Unseen:
I liked Winter Soldier, but do they have any experience with ensemble shows? That's going to be the real problem. Whatever else Whedon brings to his work(yeah, his stuff does have cliches, but they're well executed IMO, and not just thrown in lazily... artfully done might be how I'd put it), he's undeniably experienced and skilled at juggling large casts of characters.

We will get to see in Civil War as the cast so far is

- Captain America
- Iron Man
- Black Widow
- Black Panther
- Scarlet Witch
- Spiderman
- Vision
- Falcon
- War Machine
- Hawkeye
- Ant-Man
- Wasp
- Baron Zemo
- Crossbones
- Winter Soldier

That lot more than Age of Ultron.

Piorn:

The twins look and feel like X-Men, which I believe they actually are but also not, propably because copyrights?.

They're Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. Currently, Fox has the movies rights to not just The X-Men, but to entire concept of Mutants as a whole. There are some loopholes to this, however, such as Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch being considered Avengers characters more-so than X-Men. As such, they can use the characters, but they cannot make any reference to them being Mutants (since Fox has the movie rights to that concept), and they cannot make any reference to Magneto (since Fox has the movie rights to his character). Hence why Captain refers to them as "Enhances" when they show-up on the battlefield. In a better world where movie studios can learn how to collaborate, he would have just referred to them as "Mutants", which I think would have been so much better.

Zontar:

Piorn:

Zontar:

One thing I am disappointed about is the ending though, which made my whole screening audience either groan, roll their eyes, or in my case yell "oh come on" due to the editing which could not have been unintentional.

Do you mean the scene where

Close, but no cigar.

I agree completely. It was kind of a dick move. Hopefully they get enough flack for it that they add it in for the Bluray/DVD release.

wow, i'm so glad i'm not the only one who felt the joss whedon humor was laid on a little thick this time around. don't get me wrong, i loved it, and i laughed at most of it, but at a point it started to feel less like a marvel movie and more like a joss whedon movie. the first avengers found a better balance.

of course my biggest concerns going forward are

My main complaint with AoU is this: Ultron shouldn't have been funny. Seriously, his dialogue had some great lines but then they just ended up being undermined by him doing something kinda stupid (ie: his banter with Stark on the boat). Quite frankly the whole movie should have had significantly less one-liners in general, but even the one-liners the had would have been acceptable had the freaking villain not been one of the ones cracking them. Ultron seemed like a much better villain in the trailers, dark and sinister and complex, but he ended up being (character wise) almost indistinguishable from most of the other characters in the film, except he wanted to blow up the planet. Hopefully Avengers 3 fixes the "humor saturatation" issue since Whedon will no longer be involved.

Also, I felt like they threw Iron Man vs. Hulk in just because. They really should have saved that particular fight for a potential future movie where the Hulk actually goes apeshit instead of just being under telekinetic influence. Or at least had this movie focus more on that dynamic than it really did.

However, Hawkeye was great, as was the very visible tension between Stark and Rogers. I can't wait for Civil War.

For the first time since the first Avengers film Marvel didn't seem to imply some form of bigotry where somehow it was implied that only Christianity was somehow the one true religion when compared to Norse Mythology. Then later on might've left some wiggle room just in case.

I got myself mad in the first Avengers film when Cap declare that God doesn't dress like that when referring to Thor. Now I don't have a problem with the idea that Captain America is Christian. But someone who is representing America in such a way shouldn't be putting their religion above others like its somehow the truth.

Then in Thor 2, Odin declared that the Norse Gods weren't Gods. Because they grow old & die. That just seemed like a pretty week argument. But it was also one that could imply that the Christian god is a real god because he isn't affected by time.

Now for the spoilers for why I think Avengers 2 finally took a dig at Christianity & how they might've left some wiggle room.

martyrdrebel27:
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Actually Aaron Taylor-Johnson the guy who played Quicksilver only agreed to play Quicksilver if he only had to do it for one film.

There's a rumour that the reason for that condition was he talked to Chris Evans who as has been known for a while regrets agreeing to a multi film deal in the first place advised him not to (Can't stress enough that this is a rumour only).

P-89 Scorpion:

Scars Unseen:
I liked Winter Soldier, but do they have any experience with ensemble shows? That's going to be the real problem. Whatever else Whedon brings to his work(yeah, his stuff does have cliches, but they're well executed IMO, and not just thrown in lazily... artfully done might be how I'd put it), he's undeniably experienced and skilled at juggling large casts of characters.

We will get to see in Civil War as the cast so far is

- Captain America
- Iron Man
- Black Widow
- Black Panther
- Scarlet Witch
- Spiderman
- Vision
- Falcon
- War Machine
- Hawkeye
- Ant-Man
- Wasp
- Baron Zemo
- Crossbones
- Winter Soldier

That lot more than Age of Ultron.

Excellent. So what is their experience with ensemble shows that we've seen. My future vision isn't so good these days.

martyrdrebel27:

Evonisia:

martyrdrebel27:

Scars Unseen:

Evonisia:

martyrdrebel27:

shiajun:

Scars Unseen:

Evonisia:

Just got back from seeing it, I thought it was pretty good and on the level with the first movie. I still feel Cap 2 is the best marvel movie so far but Ultron was very entertaining even with how quick everything flew by. You can definitely feel that Whedon influence with the dialogue though, seriously his style is so easy to identify now that I think it pulls a little away from his films because its just too on the nose. I really liked his Firefly series because of the banter between crew members but seeing it in the Avengers just makes me want to roll my eyes a little.

jab136:

shiajun:

Scars Unseen:

RatGouf:
For the first time since the first Avengers film Marvel didn't seem to imply some form of bigotry where somehow it was implied that only Christianity was somehow the one true religion when compared to Norse Mythology. Then later on might've left some wiggle room just in case.

I got myself mad in the first Avengers film when Cap declare that God doesn't dress like that when referring to Thor. Now I don't have a problem with the idea that Captain America is Christian. But someone who is representing America in such a way shouldn't be putting their religion above others like its somehow the truth.

Then in Thor 2, Odin declared that the Norse Gods weren't Gods. Because they grow old & die. That just seemed like a pretty week argument. But it was also one that could imply that the Christian god is a real god because he isn't affected by time.

Now for the spoilers for why I think Avengers 2 finally took a dig at Christianity & how they might've left some wiggle room.

Interesting thought for the spoilered part. However, I think you are thinking too much about Captain America's line in the first movie. It was just a joke, which people are cracking all the time in the movies. To me, Marvel seems pretty keen on declaring there are is no God or gods, just that what people made into gods were just aliens.

Count me in as the few who liked this more the the first. I can see people getting annoyed about the jokes being cracked all the time, but I loved it, especially the one ongoing joke. The fight scenes were much better, with lots more team work involved.

I really appreciated that the MCU films have, by this point, earned the ability to showcase a collection of superheros like this without getting bogged down in character arcs. In any other movie, I would say that the lack of character development was a problem. But we already understand the character transformations of Stark, Thor, and Captain America from their own independent films, so we could accept their characters being static while the film focused on the stories of Hawkeye, Hulk, Black Widow, etc. In my opinion, it was an extremely effective directing decision that virtually no other movie could pull off.

MasterOfHisOwnDomain:

jab136:

shiajun:

Super Cyborg:
Interesting thought for the spoilered part. However, I think you are thinking too much about Captain America's line in the first movie. It was just a joke, which people are cracking all the time in the movies. To me, Marvel seems pretty keen on declaring there are is no God or gods, just that what people made into gods were just aliens.

Count me in as the few who liked this more the the first. I can see people getting annoyed about the jokes being cracked all the time, but I loved it, especially the one ongoing joke. The fight scenes were much better, with lots more team work involved.

Part of me feels like I would calm down if Jesus was a Marvel character who was unworthy of his powers to the point they were given to someone else.

The problem I have with the first Avengers film was the instant alien death. The second Avengers film doesn't have that kind of problem. So I also liked the Second more than the First for that reason. Though I didn't notice whether or not one was more witty than the other as its been awhile since I've seen the first.

I finally watched this today and overall yeah, it felt more like a mindless action movie like Transformers.

What bugged me the most was at the very start, the team are back and kicking Hydra butts but with no pretense. Yes I know they were after Loki scepter but last time I remember, they all went they seperate ways after the first film and they did appear in each other solo movie (well except for Black Widow in Winter Soldier). Iron Man is the worse offender since in Iron Man 3, he stop being Iron Man to show his commintment to Pepper and here we are, he's wearing the suit once again, kicking some arse!

It felt like there should had been a prelude on how and why the team got back together. For now I guessing Thor inform Cap of the gem in the scepter while he was looking for Bucky and somehow gain access to their whereabout and they got the team back together despite Tony protest.

While I do loved Ultron personality but he did became less menacing and more human/ lonely like since he was somewhat dishearted when Wanda betray him and spoke to Black Widow cos he had no one to talked to.

Yeah I also agreed they should had more characters development but consider the film was over 2.5 hours long, they couldn't make it any longer!

RatGouf:

Super Cyborg:
Interesting thought for the spoilered part. However, I think you are thinking too much about Captain America's line in the first movie. It was just a joke, which people are cracking all the time in the movies. To me, Marvel seems pretty keen on declaring there are is no God or gods, just that what people made into gods were just aliens.

Count me in as the few who liked this more the the first. I can see people getting annoyed about the jokes being cracked all the time, but I loved it, especially the one ongoing joke. The fight scenes were much better, with lots more team work involved.

Part of me feels like I would calm down if Jesus was a Marvel character who was unworthy of his powers to the point they were given to someone else.

The problem I have with the first Avengers film was the instant alien death. The second Avengers film doesn't have that kind of problem. So I also liked the Second more than the First for that reason. Though I didn't notice whether or not one was more witty than the other as its been awhile since I've seen the first.

I agree that the climax was much better because there wasn't the alien instant death, among other things that make it better. I feel that with the first Avengers having happened, you can get a better sense of comraderie among everyone, and allow for those better action scenes. Also felt like there was more character there for everyone, and that's not accounting for individual development from other movies.

Also, seems like you have something against Christianity. Might help to not take references to seriously then, because of everything the movies are, they aren't platforms to preach a religion.

Ok, I mostly loved this movie. Ultron was a great villain (James Spader FTW) and the action did a great job of keeping my attention.

I still liked the movie a lot. In fact, it's probably the most fun I've had all year. However, that moment is going to be one I annoy people at parties with for years. :/

I just saw the movie today, I quite liked it.

Super Cyborg:
I agree that the climax was much better because there wasn't the alien instant death, among other things that make it better. I feel that with the first Avengers having happened, you can get a better sense of comraderie among everyone, and allow for those better action scenes. Also felt like there was more character there for everyone, and that's not accounting for individual development from other movies.

Also, seems like you have something against Christianity. Might help to not take references to seriously then, because of everything the movies are, they aren't platforms to preach a religion.

If I could have any gripes with Avengers 2 it would be that I think Falcon didn't get enough screen time.

If it was the other way around. Where Jesus was a fictional character in the Marvel Universe. Who could then be replaced by someone else for now being unworthy. While the majority then believed Thor was their Lord & Savior. Where Marvel could then decide not to make Thor a fictional character because they might offend a lot of people. Well that would still be a form of bigotry. And it annoys me a lot that people who call themselves Politically Correct would intentionally or unintentionally allow this bigotry. Either Marvel should take all religions out of context, respect the religions they're doing fiction on, or not write about real world religions at all.

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