189: A Nation of Pirates

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theultimateend:

Ragnarok Online + Brazillians (known as BR's) is actually the combination that almost made me a fiery hateful racist.

However I stopped playing RO and have since been able to think about Brazil without wanting to waste it with napalm and nuclear warheads.

Just thought it was slightly relevant to the conversation.

dont worry mate! I know what you mean. me and a lot of other people do really want to nuke these guys too, specially because they make things really hard for us - brazilians who does not go fu**ing around on servers.

cheers!

How ignorant of everybody. Game publishers don't want to deal with places and Brazil and most every other poor country in the world TO sell them legit products.

Know why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE S$%T FOR MONEY!

I spent 2 years in Iraq, everything was bought there from 2 sources (for electronics) Black market bazaars on nearly every military post in the country, completely supported by all the soldiers who inhabit them, because they, also, are pretty poor people.

Iraq itself never had much opportunity in the last 20 years to buy legit products because it's government's money was squandered. They've been living off cheap Turkish knock-offs of everything since the 80s.

Brazil isn't exactly a financial powerhouse, either.

Quit complaining about ethics when you obviously haven't been to many places in the world and let articles like this be written by more well-informed people who aren't afraid the anti-piracy lobby will prevent them from writing anymore.

GROW BALLS.

SICK0_ZER0:
earning a profit from pirated games? eurghhh lazy free loading trash. what if you steal a pirated game from these guys? 'HOW DARE YOU STEAL I'LL CALL THE POLICE ON YOU!'

More like "You stole from me?" -budda budda budda-
If you know what I mean.

theultimateend:

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A Nation of Pirates

Piracy in the U.S. and Europe usually takes place behind closed doors. But in Brazil, it's wide out in the open for everyone to see. Pedro Franco examines the state of the gaming economy in his home country and how the situation got to be so dire.

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Ragnarok Online + Brazillians (known as BR's) is actually the combination that almost made me a fiery hateful racist.

However I stopped playing RO and have since been able to think about Brazil without wanting to waste it with napalm and nuclear warheads.

Just thought it was slightly relevant to the conversation.

Not just RO, believe me. I used to play Tibia and I'm not lying if I say 99% of Brazillians I've met in my 5 years of playing either ran up and killed me, spamming me with hysterical laughter afterwards, or started obnoxiously begging for free items.

EDIT: Just noticed this post sounds kinda anti-Brazillian. But rest assured that I have met my share of decent people from there, too.

I disagree with the premise that piracy eliminated the legal market. What happened as a matter of fact is that Sony never entered the Brazilian market and Nintendo ceased to be the main dog (for a while). I'm not even sure if NES was actually distributed by Nintendo. When the Atari 2600 generation came to Brazil, they came as _licensed_ products, an artifact of Brazilian law where toys are concerned. That's not how Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft -- the big dogs nowadays -- work.

.N.o.M.a.D.:
Brazil seems a separate case, mainly because they pirate due to lack of income.

Not true. Sure, there are many people who pirate because of lack of income, but my gamer co-workers paid over US$500~US$1000 for each console (Wii, PS3 and 360), own big LCD or Plasma screens, have, coincidentally, and all recently purchased their own apartments -- for over US$50,000.00. I could go on on other purchases they did make, but let it be. They OPT not to buy games.

And legit console game prices are certainly the culprit. The US$125~US$150 price tag is insane. Now, maybe people think of Rock Band, and think of the standard US$60 price tag on console games these days -- in the US -- and think that's not so bad. But, just to make it clear: there is no used market for games and there is sale bin for games. The game might be sold on a magazine for a lower price (it pays less taxes if sold that way), but, otherwise, that's the MINIMUM price for ALL console games if you want to stay legit.

You can't love games and afford those prices at the same time. So my friends are perfectly willing to pay for absurdly overpriced game consoles, but just won't buy legit games.

Me? I'm a PC gamer. PC games can be bought for US$40~US$50 dollars. They are "software", not "toys", so the taxes are quite different for them. Which is tragically funny for multi-plataform titles.

mercutio22:
Very good account! And as a Brazilian, I abhor the moralist tone of rest of the text. You see, while certainly in a country where the people is not overtaxed, it makes sense to condemn piracy and all the harm it causes game publishers. Why should they pay for the problems of foreign countries? I don't think they should be the ones sustaining the burden of a corrupt foreign government. Neither should Brazilian gamers have to pay around 50-100 USD PLUS around 25%(yes, that much, still disconsidering the fact our currency is crap compared to USD) taxes for being able to play the latest title.

The pricing is completely out of context. No average young brazilian can pay that much.

I think there are two issues here that should be of concern: The game publishers should adjust the prices of their games to conform to the Brazilian economy, and the taxing here should be lowered.

If neither is done, it is expected that regular people, not regular criminals, resort to piracy if thats the only alternative.

Don't expect people to stop playing on moral grounds: That behavior is expected of idiotic Cristian faith heads living in their carefully constructed fake world of miracles and pseudo-righteousness, not to be expected of real people in the real Darwinian world of restricted resources and fierce competition - thats Brazil.

So what to do as a gamer?

IMAO, I think piracy is the most appropriate act of civil disobedience in the Brazilian gaming scenario. I would not advocate for people to buy games in the black market, but to download them in p2p networks like bittorrent. That way, drug dealers and criminals aren't financed (directly at least).

Further, it is still possible to download some games from Steam for its real price -- the Brazilian Government still ignores downloadable content. So there still is a way to reward the games you really like, and get all the advantages of buying the original games such as playing online multiplayer games, score ranking and so on.

For the low quality titles, they deserve to be pirated anyways. How's that for a righteous attitude?!

Cheers

I would disagree with you and I think your just trying to justify theft. I work in retail shop in Canada selling computers and we get a lot of tourist from Brazil. Obviously these are not the people making $12000 a year. They buy computers and other technology up like crazy. During the summer I think 1/4 of all computers I sell are to these customers.

Let me tell you every time I try to sell them software like Microsoft Office for example I always get the same reply 'oh we can get that much cheaper back home, just the computer please.' Software isn't overprice and overtaxed here and these people are not poor and can obviously afford it. It's just piracy has become so prevalent its just the way things are done.

okkervil:

Let me tell you every time I try to sell them software like Microsoft Office for example I always get the same reply 'oh we can get that much cheaper back home, just the computer please.' Software isn't overprice and overtaxed here and these people are not poor and can obviously afford it. It's just piracy has become so prevalent its just the way things are done.

and that is the awful true, unfortunately.

as I said on a previous post in this topic, people laugh at me when i say Im thinking about buying a NDS game...

cheers!

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