X-Men - Apocalypse - It's the End of the World as We Know It

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X-Men - Apocalypse - It's the End of the World as We Know It

X-Men: Apocalypse is the worst X-Men film in a while, and it's not even close.

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It's a shame to see the final movie lack bite. I enjoyed the last two. Perhaps this is a symptom of being forced by FOX to do "the hero trilogy" which they seem determined to carry out. But then...how many times do we have to be threatened with the apocalypse? Are they desensitising us to the real thing so we can continue consuming and consuming and consuming until we guzzle and squander everything that's left, everything but the vast hordes of money?? Argh, i just spiralled in my head! Need a drinkie to kill it dead.

I already watched it and it isn't as bad per say well terribly bad.

The Strider part did felt like complete fillers. I mean seriously you can't be arse to snatched the entire mutant students???

Also yeah that disaster CGI scene was crap thought.

We can only hope Marvel will pull a SpiderMan on them and just offer to take the whole stale franchise and finally do a good version of it.
MovieBob said it best in his review. Looking back, the Xmen movies as a whole are really bad. Xmen 1 has a few good scenes, Xmen 2 is watchable, and First Class is good.
Every single other movie shouldn't exist.

I agree this movie is the weakest of the trilogy. It's really not all bad. Then again, I don't expect comic book movies to be great or critically acclaimed. It's nice when a comic book movie does break through and be great. My expectations from these movies is to be entertained by special effects and action scenes. X-Men Apocalypse does have a weak story and so-so special effects. My biggest complaint was the movie was too backward looking. Seriously, they had multiple scenes that features moments from the last 2 movies. I was also disappointed that Oscar Isaac wasn't able to do much with his character. He was basically a monotone character with an one-track mind.

Man, and this review doesn't even touch upon some of the worst bits of the movie. Godawful acting from both the main cast and supporting actors that seems to have been plucked straight from the street, baffling editing decisions and tonality that is all over the place.

It was so bad, I was glad I'm not invested in the X-Men as such. A friend of mine I went to see it with was very sad about it but it was unintentional comedy. The crowning jewel? That bit with Wolverine. Oh my God my sides.

I never really understood what made First Class such a stand out beyond 'they have colourful suits now'. That movie had horridly flat cinematogrophy, the worst CGI in the series, lame mutants, and a German speaking Kevin Bacon talking about chocolates that I WASN'T supposed to laugh at.

As for Apocalypse, that movie's writing was on the wall the minute the titular character got revealed. Poor Oscar Isaac.

We are going to need to see these big, bloated superhero movies re-invented before long, and I'm not talking in the Deadpool or Guardians of the Galaxy sort of way. Feels like a VERY long time since The Dark Knight did exactly what I'm talking about. Or the original Matrix. We can't settle for this stuff.

Well, I WAS geared up to see this next weekend (going to Fanime in San Jose for this one), but now I'm not so sure.

Silentpony:
We can only hope Marvel will pull a SpiderMan on them and just offer to take the whole stale franchise and finally do a good version of it.
MovieBob said it best in his review. Looking back, the Xmen movies as a whole are really bad. Xmen 1 has a few good scenes, Xmen 2 is watchable, and First Class is good.
Every single other movie shouldn't exist.

He didn't go super-entitled fanboy in his review, did he? Man, he gets so whiney when he does that.

Darth_Payn:
Well, I WAS geared up to see this next weekend (going to Fanime in San Jose for this one), but now I'm not so sure.

Silentpony:
We can only hope Marvel will pull a SpiderMan on them and just offer to take the whole stale franchise and finally do a good version of it.
MovieBob said it best in his review. Looking back, the Xmen movies as a whole are really bad. Xmen 1 has a few good scenes, Xmen 2 is watchable, and First Class is good.
Every single other movie shouldn't exist.

He didn't go super-entitled fanboy in his review, did he? Man, he gets so whiney when he does that.

Not really. he said that the X-Films pre-First Class don't hold up (parts of them do) and that he was too kind to DoFP (for the people remembering that he enjoyed the film overall), but he didn't reach the levels of Fant4stic, DoJ or ASM2.

"He has an immeasurable, indescribable, and not terribly well defined amount of powers, because how else would he pose a threat?"

To be fair, at least that?s quite the same, as in the comics.His powers have always been quite nebulous but very, very super duper.

This film deserves that star score ... lets just put an elephant sized pin in the fact that apocalypse looks like it cost ?2.50 to make his suit.

Half the film is that stupid "sand moving CGI" thing, psylocke goes out in a whimper, angel breaks physics, apocalypse can only grow in size in his mind and the plot you can accurately guess before seeing the film, you can even guess all the clich? moments

You don't have to see this movie to see this movie 'cos you've seen it 10 times. It is a rom com, it's so formulaic that watching it is a waste of time.

I thought this movie was very good. Not sure where the negativity is coming from. The villain was cool and the actor playing him did a great job. Jean Grey and Quicksilver were standout, great to watch and I liked the introduction of other XMen.

The end battle scene was a bit poo and OTT on special effects but it's otherwise a good film. I think Fox have done a largely great job with the franchise and don't agree that XMen are needed in the MCU. Considering the way movie rights work, why not suggest DC let Superman and Batman into the MCU? Not all XMen movies have been great, neither recent Superman movie was even watchable and MCU is flagging a little too. Can't have them all hits. BUt I think Apocalypse was good.

The real question is what happens now. We had the original trilogy, we have one more before a Wolverine solo trilogy and now the First Class trilogy is done. More movies with the newer XMen? Should they recast/reboot? Same question applies to MCU now...Iron Man and Captain America only have Avengers 3 (split into two parts) and they're done. Thor has one more solo movie and Avengers 3 and he's done. Will the characters be killed? recast? Retired? Paid gazillions?

Silentpony:
We can only hope Marvel will pull a SpiderMan on them and just offer to take the whole stale franchise and finally do a good version of it.
MovieBob said it best in his review. Looking back, the Xmen movies as a whole are really bad. Xmen 1 has a few good scenes, Xmen 2 is watchable, and First Class is good.
Every single other movie shouldn't exist.

While I agree that the X-Men films have a questionable record (of all the ones I've seen, the only one I'd actually call "good" is First Class), I'm not keen on them being auctioned off back to Marvel. In that:

a) I'm not sure how the X-Men would fit into the MCU. The idea of mutants seems a thing in of itself, it feels redundant when everyone and their grandma either has superpowers, or the technology equivalent of superpowers.

b) More competition means, in theory, the drive for better films.

c) For me, the X-Men films have one good film. That isn't much, except for me, the MCU has two good films. The MCU has produced overall better films than Fox's X-Men IMO, but I can't say I'm really that enamored with any of them.

d) Turning them over would mean another reboot. Please...no...more...reboots. :(

I sort of dropped out of the whole X-men thing as it is my point of view that following more than one 'hero' franchise/universe WILL make shit seem stale before long.

Besides, the WB and FOX owned properties strike me as run by people who aren't very passionate about their projects. Marvels movies do not always hit a homerun, but they always strike me as being respectful of their property and driven to tell an epic narrative.

It's a pity, because 'House of M' could have been freakin' awesome, but it is a story that won't ever be told. And I still weep for Victor Von Doom.

I didn't think it was that bad, but it certainly wasn't good.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the effects were horrid. That scene with Psylocke and Angel wouldn't have looked out of place on a CW show.

And holy shit, are their costumes either ugly as fuck or bland as hell.

But I disagree with you on the Quicksilver scene, I really enjoyed it. But then I also really like his character.

Cowabungaa:
Man, and this review doesn't even touch upon some of the worst bits of the movie. Godawful acting from both the main cast and supporting actors that seems to have been plucked straight from the street, baffling editing decisions and tonality that is all over the place.

It was so bad, I was glad I'm not invested in the X-Men as such. A friend of mine I went to see it with was very sad about it but it was unintentional comedy. The crowning jewel? That bit with Wolverine. Oh my God my sides.

I watched Mr. Sunday Movie's Wolverine Kill Count video, and holy shit, how have his action scenes gotten worse? Even his claws look barely better than Origins'. My sisters were outright laughing after he ran out into the snow, he looked ridiculous.

I'm still mad about the Finnish translation of 'X-Men' to 'X-Meneja' (for those who don't know: an utterly broken double plural, also it's supposed to be an ?). I send the distridutor an e-mail about it and they said it was done on purpose in order to not confuse the audience. Aagh, the world is truly ending.

Hawki:

Silentpony:
We can only hope Marvel will pull a SpiderMan on them and just offer to take the whole stale franchise and finally do a good version of it.
MovieBob said it best in his review. Looking back, the Xmen movies as a whole are really bad. Xmen 1 has a few good scenes, Xmen 2 is watchable, and First Class is good.
Every single other movie shouldn't exist.

While I agree that the X-Men films have a questionable record (of all the ones I've seen, the only one I'd actually call "good" is First Class), I'm not keen on them being auctioned off back to Marvel. In that:

a) I'm not sure how the X-Men would fit into the MCU. The idea of mutants seems a thing in of itself, it feels redundant when everyone and their grandma either has superpowers, or the technology equivalent of superpowers.

b) More competition means, in theory, the drive for better films.

c) For me, the X-Men films have one good film. That isn't much, except for me, the MCU has two good films. The MCU has produced overall better films than Fox's X-Men IMO, but I can't say I'm really that enamored with any of them.

d) Turning them over would mean another reboot. Please...no...more...reboots. :(

Totally agree on First Class. I never understood why people like Ian McKellen as an old and frail Magneto. I also think the movies did way too much destruction of the source material to be very enjoyable for me. I want Marvel to get X-Men back though.

a) It doesn't really have to. I know everyone is loving the MCU thing they are doing with Avengers and all but that is kind of what Avengers is. Plus, you know, Infinite Gauntlet. X-Men can actually be detached from all the Avengers stuff and still be under the umbrella flag and still remain true to the spirit of its comic. There should be no pressure to even bring them into the Infinite Gauntlet because they were background filler at best there anyways.

b) I don't think this theory is proving itself enough for this to be credited. Marvel is using the source material as inspiration and DC is "trying not to be Marvel". While Fox is butchering Fantastic 4 and Xmen. Brian Singer even told the actors in the first movies not to read the comics because he didn't want the source material to 'interfere' with their performance. Seems Marvel is the only one who knows what the fans want... To see the stories we know and love that sold comics for decades on the big screen. No one is competing for that.

c) MCU has produced 11 good films to me. They have really only missed with Thor 2 and Ant Man for me. Kinda Deadpool too, they did a good job, but I am not a big Deadpool fan. Of all the other comic movies I own Batman Begins, Dark Knight, First Class, and Man of Steel. Marvel is batting extremely high right now and Xmen was a favorite growing up and would like to see them have it so fox will quit butchering it.

d) Reboots don't bother me if they are good. Actually, a good reboot gets me excited.

But I am an old Marvel Fanboy so have a grain of salt to go with my opinion. :)

I think the point with this movie and especially the cast is that they've been too hell bent on trying to cast "hot young actors" to actually cast the right people for the right job.
This has been a thing previously but some actors are cringeworthy either because they're too recognizable as their debut persona or just because they seem to fail to act out of their debut roles.

Both go for Sansa Turner ehhhh I mean Sophie Stark, she just sticks out like a sore thumb and is definitely nothing near what I expect in an on screen version of that character.

Just saw it today ... Marter wasn't kidding. I felt like they didn't know how to make the villain OP without one-shoting most of the cast, so they threw in excuses as to how our heroes survived / managed to fight the big baddie. Only scene I really enjoyed was with Quick Silver doing his thing like the previous movie, but that's about it. Everything else was just so bad man ...... so, generically bad.

Movie itself wasn't horrific on terms of Avatar: The Last Airbender directed by M. Night Shyamalan, but it wasn't remotely good either.

All Apocalypse ever does in the comics is try to destroy the world. So how is this movie lazy?

Caramel Frappe:
Just saw it today ... Marter wasn't kidding. I felt like they didn't know how to make the villain OP without one-shoting most of the cast, so they threw in excuses as to how our heroes survived / managed to fight the big baddie. Only scene I really enjoyed was with Quick Silver doing his thing like the previous movie, but that's about it. Everything else was just so bad man ...... so, generically bad.

Movie itself wasn't horrific on terms of Avatar: The Last Airbender directed by M. Night Shyamalan, but it wasn't remotely good either.

The matter manipulation thing only works on inorganic material.

DevilMayhem666:
All Apocalypse ever does in the comics is try to destroy the world. So how is this movie lazy?

Exactly, I say finally an X-men movie story line that does not have them fighting the humans. That alone made me happy to see this movie.

Zenja:

Totally agree on First Class. I never understood why people like Ian McKellen as an old and frail Magneto.

Eh, I liked him well enough. McKellan is a powerhouse of an actor at even the worst of times, and while saddled with the material, he did give some gravitas to the role.

Zenja:

b) I don't think this theory is proving itself enough for this to be credited. Marvel is using the source material as inspiration and DC is "trying not to be Marvel". While Fox is butchering Fantastic 4 and Xmen. Brian Singer even told the actors in the first movies not to read the comics because he didn't want the source material to 'interfere' with their performance. Seems Marvel is the only one who knows what the fans want... To see the stories we know and love that sold comics for decades on the big screen. No one is competing for that.

c) MCU has produced 11 good films to me. They have really only missed with Thor 2 and Ant Man for me. Kinda Deadpool too, they did a good job, but I am not a big Deadpool fan. Of all the other comic movies I own Batman Begins, Dark Knight, First Class, and Man of Steel. Marvel is batting extremely high right now and Xmen was a favorite growing up and would like to see them have it so fox will quit butchering it.

Deadpool is a Fox film, not an MCU one.

Anyway, bear in mind that the average film goer like myself isn't going to care about source material. And even in the event where I'm familiar with the source material before seeing the film adaptation, I'm far more interested in seeing a good movie than a loyal adaptation. Sure, if it can be loyal, that's good, but it's secondary to overall quality. Off the top of my head, Starship Troopers and Apocalypse Now are terrible if viewed as adaptations, but if viewed as independent entitites, they're good/excellent.

So, for me, I've seen four X-Men films, only one of which is "good" (First Class), and eight MCU films, only two of which are "good" (Iron Man, Iron Man 3). That's technically an equal ratio of "good" to "average" in both cases. Still better than the DCEU (one "average," one "bad,"), but still a far cry before the days of Rami Spider-Man or The Dark Knight Trilogy. Y'know, films that were good/excellent on their own merits, without me having to do homework to understand what the heck is going on. Maybe the competition theory is flawed, but I haven't seen anything from Marvel that makes me believe that they'd automatically do a better job with the X-Men. Maybe a more accurate representation, but that's about it, and not something that I or the average person are going to be invested in.

DevilMayhem666:
All Apocalypse ever does in the comics is try to destroy the world. So how is this movie lazy?

Maybe it could...I dunno...do something to make him a bit more interesting?

Granted, the whole "I want to start over/shatter it all" CAN be done well at times, but most of the time it's a sign of lazy writing. As someone who's seen the trailer more times than I care for in cinemas, I'm left to reflect "yes, we get it, you want to destroy the world...yay..." Even the disaster porn of Independence Day, while disaster porn, still has a clearer motivation for the aliens (resources, conquest, etc.) then "destroy it all because I'm evil."

i think it wasnt too bad. not great but certainly far from bad. some scenes were kind of questionable but it also filled in some parts that we saw in in the original 3 movies without knowing what has happened before. at least it was about mutants fighting each other instead of fighting humans. the one playing storm and gene were the least convincing acting in this movie. the rest were either very good to solid.
quicksilver was indeed the best part. also the most enjoyable character.

over all, i still had a good time watching it, and thats what i care about as well. and i even dont mind last stand.

Hawki:

Maybe it could...I dunno...do something to make him a bit more interesting?

Granted, the whole "I want to start over/shatter it all" CAN be done well at times, but most of the time it's a sign of lazy writing. As someone who's seen the trailer more times than I care for in cinemas, I'm left to reflect "yes, we get it, you want to destroy the world...yay..." Even the disaster porn of Independence Day, while disaster porn, still has a clearer motivation for the aliens (resources, conquest, etc.) then "destroy it all because I'm evil."

Apocalypse didn't want to destroy the world "because he's evil" but because he is a social darwinist with a god complex that thinks the weak shouldn't be ruling this world, that was made very clear in the film.

DevilMayhem666:
And Apocalypse didn't want to destroy the world "because he's evil" but because he is a social darwinist with a god complex that thinks the weak shouldn't be ruling this world, that was made very clear in the film.

So...evil.

"Social Darwinism" as a character trait isn't a particuarly interesting one, hence the above point.

Hawki:

Anyway, bear in mind that the average film goer like myself isn't going to care about source material. And even in the event where I'm familiar with the source material before seeing the film adaptation, I'm far more interested in seeing a good movie than a loyal adaptation. Sure, if it can be loyal, that's good, but it's secondary to overall quality. Off the top of my head, Starship Troopers and Apocalypse Now are terrible if viewed as adaptations, but if viewed as independent entitites, they're good/excellent.

So, for me, I've seen four X-Men films, only one of which is "good" (First Class), and eight MCU films, only two of which are "good" (Iron Man, Iron Man 3). That's technically an equal ratio of "good" to "average" in both cases. Still better than the DCEU (one "average," one "bad,"), but still a far cry before the days of Rami Spider-Man or The Dark Knight Trilogy. Y'know, films that were good/excellent on their own merits, without me having to do homework to understand what the heck is going on. Maybe the competition theory is flawed, but I haven't seen anything from Marvel that makes me believe that they'd automatically do a better job with the X-Men. Maybe a more accurate representation, but that's about it, and not something that I or the average person are going to be invested in."

I know there is no accounting for taste so that has to be said up front. However, Marvel Studios has been staying fairly true to the source material and when they deviate they stick true to the spirit of the source material. This has given them 3 movies in the Top 10 highest grossing of all time. (Avengers, Avengers 2, Iron Man 3) with Civil War still climbing. (CW already in the top 20) I would say the average movie goer is pretty pleased with what Marvel is doing and it makes sense. Oddly enough Marvel is trying to give us live acted comic books using actual storylines with the same kind of suspense the comics use.

Staying true to the source material isn't just what the costumes look like or minor details in the story. Robert Downey Jr. reinvented Tony Stark and it worked marvelously. Yet the enjoyment of fans wasn't lost because Iron Man was always about the suits anyways. Its why I always preferred War Machine more, because it was Rhodey that was more comical. However, I like it better since they flipped as it makes WAY more sense. Even though it isn't 100% accurate, the dynamic between these two is still there.

I am by no means a purist fanboy. I like the creative liberties they have taken to adapt these comics to movie format. Almost every one of them has worked well. Even Guardians of the Galaxy a relatively unknown IP before its movie, managed to pull in $770 million. That is pretty impressive considering that movie proved it was on word of mouth alone. Especially considering Guardians did better at the box office than any of the X-men movies despite being a new unknown IP. I have to say that I think Marvel Studios is doing a pretty exceptional job both for fans and the general public. It may not be to your tastes but I think the average movie goer is pretty entertained by their works as are the fans. This convinces me that Marvel would in fact do the X-men better than Fox, personally.

When M Night Shyamalan can make a better Superhero movie than you, you are doing something wrong.

Hawki:

So...evil.

"Social Darwinism" as a character trait isn't a particuarly interesting one, hence the above point.

Its only staying true to the source material.

VoidWanderer:
When M Night Shyamalan can make a better Superhero movie than you, you are doing something wrong.

Uh, Unbreakable is widely considered a great movie.

I enjoyed it. Quicksilver is kinda a slacker. He's a gamer that lives in his mom's basement. so him not telling dad that he exists really stays in character for him. Apocalypse was cool and explaining how his powers work without involving mountain-sized spacemen actually worked. In this, his reasons for wanting Charles make sense. And we finally got an honest to god Phoenix on screen outside of the animated series. This, plus the little snippet about Moira having a kid

could lead to some cool stories in the future. Not every hero movie can be Steve Bourne...err Rogers. The X-Men, like Spider Man, have been at this for a long time and their old motivations are largely known. Just reaching the point where we can have villains like Apocalypse on screen without it being cheesy is a very positive step. If an actual version of the Phoenix Saga isn't in the plans for the future, I'd be surprised. A lot of critics seem to be suffering from superhero fatigue and I have yet to see a review from CineMarter that I've agreed with - he just kinda dumps on everything kinda like MovieBob as of late. Stop expecting academy performances from these movies and you'll enjoy them more. This isn't Dicaprio, this is X-Men. Enjoy the fireworks, it's memorial day.

DevilMayhem666:

Hawki:

So...evil.

"Social Darwinism" as a character trait isn't a particuarly interesting one, hence the above point.

Its only staying true to the source material.

Which doesn't immunize it, or any other adaptation, from critique.

Remus:
A lot of critics seem to be suffering from superhero fatigue and I have yet to see a review from CineMarter that I've agreed with - he just kinda dumps on everything kinda like MovieBob as of late. Stop expecting academy performances from these movies and you'll enjoy them more. This isn't Dicaprio, this is X-Men. Enjoy the fireworks, it's memorial day.

Um...what?

Deadpool and Civil War were both highly rated - far higher than I thought either of them warrented, but that's another issue. Critics don't seem to be suffering from superhero fatigue, they seem to be ranking what they consider to be good movies (at the least, I can argue with them that Batman v Superman was a mess). Also, MovieBob? As in, the guy whose YouTube channel is devoted almost entirely to superheroes (the remainder being devoted to pop culture in general), who's gone on record saying that he doesn't believe in the concept, and that for him, even if never stated outright, that superheroes/superhero movies are the best thing since sliced bread? And Marter is "dumping on everything" despite recently giving positive reviews to Neighbors 2, The Nice Guys, How to Plan an Orgy, Midnight Special, Mr. Right, Civil War, The Jungle Book, and High Rise, all of which were reviewed in the month of May alone?

Lord knows I've been suffering superhero fatigue for the better half of a decade, but for the people who enjoy these films, you're hardly in the minority as far as critical consensus goes.

Only read the bottom line, cause I'm seeing it Tuesday, but that sounds unfortunate. Then again, Psylocke is jumping most of her history, and Cyclops is now Havok's younger brother, and the X-Men movies have been well, not the best.

I guess tanking is good though, if it means one day maybe X-Men can finally go home. (Wishful thinking)

I enjoyed it, but it was undoubtedly the weakest of the new trilogy. Mostly because it was simultaneously very long and yet also rushed.

However, I also think it's worth pointing out how unfair the comparisons have been to Civil War. Apart from their release dates, the two films are very different in terms of their set-up. It would be far fairer to compare Apocalypse with Age of Ultron, against which it doesn't do too badly (and the disappointment of which I don't think people properly recognise): that film also had an impossible-to-empathise-with villain, motivated to take over the world for frighteningly little reason, poor set-up of the villain's accomplices (with poor faux East European accents to boot) etc.

In fact, the most fair comparison will be when Infinity War(s) are released.

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