Warcraft - Keep Grinding

Warcraft - Keep Grinding

Warcraft doesn't work, but it doesn't work for more fascinating reasons than why video game adaptations typically fail.

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This is what happens when you hire an unknown director, unknown screenwriters, unknown producers, and unknown actors, and unknown composer whose only famous work is game of thrones but nothing else.

The movie's soundtrack is utterley forgettable and does not sound Warcraft-y enough, this sounds like Warcraft:

Anyway for people who wants to get interested in the lore I suggest reading the Warcraft Chronicles book VOL.1

Since its the ofifcial canon of the games and it litirally starts from their version of the Big Bang to the beginning of the first War.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/World_of_Warcraft:_Chronicle_Volume_1

Also this youtuber famed for Warcraft lore named Nobbel87 already did a few lore videos on the Origin part of Warcraft:

I will admit, I am not into Warcraft (the gaming series) at all, my friends tried to get me into WoW back in 2011, but I was completely away from gaming during that period so I slowly stopped from the very few times I was accessing.

But now this movie gets my interst, I love movies like LoTR that have an entire lore behind it, so even though the movie is not very good, I do get invested if the universe is interesting enough: Jupiter Ascending, Divergent, 5th Wave, Sky High, Starship Troopers, those movies have universes more interesting than the stories they are presenting, from the looks of it, Warcraft is for me.

Samtemdo8:
This is what happens when you hire an unknown director,

He is hardly unknown.

Samtemdo8:
This is what happens when you hire an unknown director, unknown screenwriters, unknown producers, and unknown actors, and unknown composer whose only famous work is game of thrones but nothing else.

Duncan Jones is hardly unknown. The actors are hardly unknown either - Toby Kebell, Paula Patton, and Travis Fimmell are names I know off the top of my head. And I'm pretty sure the composer did the score of Pacific Rim, which is generally well regarded score-wise. Certainly the main theme is.

Igor-Rowan:
I do get invested if the universe is interesting enough: Jupiter Ascending, Divergent, 5th Wave, Sky High, Starship Troopers, those movies have universes more interesting than the stories they are presenting, from the looks of it, Warcraft is for me.

It's perhaps not really my business, but Starship Troopers has an interesting universe? I actually quite like the film (along with Roughnecks and the original novel as well), but I never considered worldbuilding to be any of their strengths. Well, maybe the novel, but that was more based on Heinlein's ideas, and they were more based on society and government rather than the actual setting those questions were being asked in.

I certainly agree wit Jupiter Ascending though. Beautiful film to look at, interesting premise and worldbuilding, but as a movie in of itself? Ugh.

Hawki:
It's perhaps not really my business, but Starship Troopers has an interesting universe? I actually quite like the film (along with Roughnecks and the original novel as well), but I never considered worldbuilding to be any of their strengths. Well, maybe the novel, but that was more based on Heinlein's ideas, and they were more based on society and government rather than the actual setting those questions were being asked in.

I certainly agree wit Jupiter Ascending though. Beautiful film to look at, interesting premise and worldbuilding, but as a movie in of itself? Ugh.

Maybe it wasn't Stormship Troopers, I think it was Event Horizon or something like that (don't ask how I made that leap).

About Jupiter Ascending, its main problem was the "look at this amazing concept and universe that we're going to EXPLAIN to you", the Wachowskis did get better with Sense8, but that was a LOT of wasted potential. When I watch it, I like to imagine Caine with a red hat and overalls, Jupiter in a pink dress and Balem is as reptilian as his army and BAM you get a Super Mario Galaxy movie.

Eh, I quite liked it actually and I don't play WoW but my fiance does (that's why we went obviously) - I felt it was a good enough fantasy movie to interest someone like myself and entertain, but clearly he got more out of it than I did because he's rolling up new characters right now. Lol

Really I mean what did you expect from the thing in all honesty? If it was more than a fantasy tale and some niffty graphics and a few witty one liners made as in-jokes I'm not sure you were setting your sights appropriately.

Additional note: I thin it is a mistake to compare something like this to LOTR movies. Tolkien lore is deep and wide and yet much of it is barely covered in the movies, instead it is either simplified or the movie relies on the knowledge of the viewer from the source material. This movie does some of that as well, but in an attempt to interest people in the Warcraft universe it is also trying to pull people in to the world. The aims are different. A better comparison might be the Hobbit movies to this... although not much better, and if that were the case I would say this was better if only because it condensed material rather than stretching it beyond its capability to stay interesting.

I bet with the sequel to this movie, half of what they said will be retconned.

As a non-fan of the Warcraft fanchise, I can still see myself enjoying this movie for what it is in general... Probably the same way I enjoyed that Ratchet & Clank movie despite already being [somewhat of] a fan of that particular franchise, anyway...

Other than that, on a related unrelated note, aren't adaptions suppose to work for the medium its working with instead of against it?

008Zulu:
I bet with the sequel to this movie, half of what they said will be retconned.

That's not until the second [aka the better] sequel... :p

Honestly not that surprise. I've been a Warcraft player since the original RTS in '93, and I've always felt that the story was the franchise's Achilles heel; its just generic by the numbers D&D guff, with little to make it stand out from any other stock fantasy setting. It was only ever Blizzards insane level of gameplay design and technical polish that made Warcraft a major franchise, with the story never being much more than window dressing to vaguely justify all the action. Divorced from the game elements that actually made it good, I'm not at all surprised to hear that the story falls on its face.

Samtemdo8:
This is what happens when you hire an unknown director, unknown screenwriters, unknown producers, and unknown actors, and unknown composer whose only famous work is game of thrones but nothing else.

The movie's soundtrack is utterley forgettable and does not sound Warcraft-y enough, this sounds like Warcraft:

There's no reason that hiring names is better, it's about talent and suiting the roles. Casting just for how famous people are, stunt casting, is a failure on the part of the director and casting director. And the opinion of the reviewer to whom you're responding is that the actors aren't given room to shine, because they're busy spouting your precious lore.

Marter himself said in the review that Jones is a great film maker.

Unknown composer. Anyone who isn't Hans Zimmer or John Williams is going to be relatively unknown, the question is the strength of the compositions. I checked out the sound track, it's not nearly as bad as you're saying, and to say it's in a different genre or feel is just silly. The track he's best known for is very memorable, and well liked. It's perfectly competent composition too, from the perspective of composing.

As Marter saw it, the problem was that it was too much of an adaptation, and was overburdened with Warcraft Lore, they very stuff you drag into these threads

Recommendation: It's not bad enough to say "don't see it," but it's also not likely worth your time unless you're already a fan of the games.

I'd say this pretty much sums up what I've heard of it so far from critics that didn't just up and shit all over it.

This is quite specifically a movie made for the fans. If you enjoy the lore and world of...ahem...WarCraft, then you'll likely enjoy this film. However to anyone not versed in WarCraft lore, it's pretty hard to penetrate. This is apparently why most critics are shitting all over it. :P

fisheries:

Samtemdo8:
This is what happens when you hire an unknown director, unknown screenwriters, unknown producers, and unknown actors, and unknown composer whose only famous work is game of thrones but nothing else.

The movie's soundtrack is utterley forgettable and does not sound Warcraft-y enough, this sounds like Warcraft:

There's no reason that hiring names is better, it's about talent and suiting the roles. Casting just for how famous people are, stunt casting, is a failure on the part of the director and casting director. And the opinion of the reviewer to whom you're responding is that the actors aren't given room to shine, because they're busy spouting your precious lore.

Marter himself said in the review that Jones is a great film maker.

Unknown composer. Anyone who isn't Hans Zimmer or John Williams is going to be relatively unknown, the question is the strength of the compositions. I checked out the sound track, it's not nearly as bad as you're saying, and to say it's in a different genre or feel is just silly. The track he's best known for is very memorable, and well liked. It's perfectly competent composition too, from the perspective of composing.

As Marter saw it, the problem was that it was too much of an adaptation, and was overburdened with Warcraft Lore, they very stuff you drag into these threads

Well I did mention Screenwriters. And they clearly failed at giving material that makes the actors shine, something I hope the sequals (especially regarding certain characters) will rectify because this franchise does have CHARACRTERS that will not just spout lore exposition and charcacter that you will care about.

And if you think the movie was already overburderned with lore you have not seen nothing yet how big this will get into the future.

Like for example Fel is the product of the Burning Legion, Demons born from the Twisting Nether, lead by a fallen Titan named Sargeras.

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The son of the King character and the son of Durotan the Orc (Named Varian Wrynn and Thrall respecitively) becomes main characrters later in the lore and both are even more interesting than King Llane and Durotan.

Varian Wrynn:

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Thrall, Son of Durotan:

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Having recently just seen the Warcraft movie, I don't get why people are saying it's not good. It works really well. Once you get used to how the orcs look compared to the humans. Like Giant, Wreck-it Ralph hands holding his wife's normal human sized hand). It was neat how readily and frequently the mages cast spells. If there's a complaint to be had is that it looks too good. Like they tried too hard to make every spell look amazing.

The story makes sense. The characters motives are mostly clear except and until the twists are revealed.
I found the actor playing Medeiv (or however his name is spelled, I don't want to google it right now) seemed constantly expressionless it seemed. Crazy-eyes always has his crazy-eyes. The King didn't feel regal enough and kind of stood out a little bit too. The weapons and such were very Warcraft-y in a way that kind of detracts from the realism of a live-action movie but once the action starts you don't seem to notice it.
There's never a moment where "Why not use the Eagle?" because when they can, they do use it. (Hippogryphs, I think they're called in Warcraft lore).
Because it's a prequel to the games and whatnot, there wasn't room for the happy ending and everyone lives together and I'm glad they didn't aim for that. The movie feels complete without forcing it into a corner it didn't belong.

tl;dr: It anything it felt too short. I wanted more by the end.

Odbarc:
Having recently just seen the Warcraft movie, I don't get why people are saying it's not good. It works really well. Once you get used to how the orcs look compared to the humans. Like Giant, Wreck-it Ralph hands holding his wife's normal human sized hand). It was neat how readily and frequently the mages cast spells. If there's a complaint to be had is that it looks too good. Like they tried too hard to make every spell look amazing.

The story makes sense. The characters motives are mostly clear except and until the twists are revealed.
I found the actor playing Medeiv (or however his name is spelled, I don't want to google it right now) seemed constantly expressionless it seemed. Crazy-eyes always has his crazy-eyes. The King didn't feel regal enough and kind of stood out a little bit too. The weapons and such were very Warcraft-y in a way that kind of detracts from the realism of a live-action movie but once the action starts you don't seem to notice it.
There's never a moment where "Why not use the Eagle?" because when they can, they do use it. (Hippogryphs, I think they're called in Warcraft lore).
Because it's a prequel to the games and whatnot, there wasn't room for the happy ending and everyone lives together and I'm glad they didn't aim for that. The movie feels complete without forcing it into a corner it didn't belong.

tl;dr: It anything it felt too short. I wanted more by the end.

Gryphons not hippogriphs the latter appears later in a region called Kalimdor.

And Its pronounced Medivh and he is soon to be a playable character in Heroes of the Storm:

I liked it. There were changes I'm not sure I really liked, but I can live with it. I mostly liked how they changed what went down with blackhand, not so much the Garona stuff. And there were a lot of really important characters, particularly in the orc horde, that got like a second of screentime, but no lines or real presence.

Bilious Green:
Honestly not that surprise. I've been a Warcraft player since the original RTS in '93, and I've always felt that the story was the franchise's Achilles heel; its just generic by the numbers D&D guff, with little to make it stand out from any other stock fantasy setting. It was only ever Blizzards insane level of gameplay design and technical polish that made Warcraft a major franchise, with the story never being much more than window dressing to vaguely justify all the action. Divorced from the game elements that actually made it good, I'm not at all surprised to hear that the story falls on its face.

You say the story is generic D&D stuff as if D&D made anything better :P

So tell name one Fantasy D&D like Story that is done better than some of the best stories in Warcraft?

I meam Dragon Age was an amalgamtion of A Song of Ice and Fire and Lord of the Rings and it was awesome.

Samtemdo8:

fisheries:

Samtemdo8:
This is what happens when you hire an unknown director, unknown screenwriters, unknown producers, and unknown actors, and unknown composer whose only famous work is game of thrones but nothing else.

The movie's soundtrack is utterley forgettable and does not sound Warcraft-y enough, this sounds like Warcraft:

There's no reason that hiring names is better, it's about talent and suiting the roles. Casting just for how famous people are, stunt casting, is a failure on the part of the director and casting director. And the opinion of the reviewer to whom you're responding is that the actors aren't given room to shine, because they're busy spouting your precious lore.

Marter himself said in the review that Jones is a great film maker.

Unknown composer. Anyone who isn't Hans Zimmer or John Williams is going to be relatively unknown, the question is the strength of the compositions. I checked out the sound track, it's not nearly as bad as you're saying, and to say it's in a different genre or feel is just silly. The track he's best known for is very memorable, and well liked. It's perfectly competent composition too, from the perspective of composing.

As Marter saw it, the problem was that it was too much of an adaptation, and was overburdened with Warcraft Lore, they very stuff you drag into these threads

Well I did mention Screenwriters. And they clearly failed at giving material that makes the actors shine, something I hope the sequals (especially regarding certain characters) will rectify because this franchise does have CHARACRTERS that will not just spout lore exposition and charcacter that you will care about.

Yeah, but that is what the critics said. That the screenplay is slow, overburdened with lore, and many found it dull. Your main problem with the music in particular, seems to be that they didn't use the game music, and you've taken that as license to rubbish the composer. I'm guessing you know VERY LITTLE about music or composition. Considering it's what I've been training myself in for the last 2 years, it's rather galling to see such obnoxious comments.

And if you think the movie was already overburderned with lore you have not seen nothing yet how big this will get into the future.

That does not give me any reason to want to watch it.

If I wanted someone to explain to me tiresome backstory and never get to the action, I'd read the Silmarillion. They need to make the lore engaging.

Like for example Fel is the product of the Burning Legion, Demons born from the Twisting Nether, lead by a fallen Titan named Sargeras.

That means nothing to me. I'm guessing that the Burning Legion is where the first WoW expansion gets it's name, but I don't give a flying fuck about any of that.

You've made the same mistake that the film makers reportedly have. You think telling me about the backstory makes it interesting, when it makes me roll your eyes and think, this is too nerdy even for me.

It's like when kids try to explain the in depth details of videogames to their parents who don't play them. They don't know, and don't care, they have no context, you need to use broad strokes and explain why anyone should care. You have to understand the broader audience.

Why should I want to see Demons born from the Twisting Nether? What is a Titan in this universe? These are the things you have to depict in a way that's interesting to actually excite people. You just mentioning is the exact opposite of that.

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The son of the King character and the son of Durotan the Orc (Named Varian Wrynn and Thrall respecitively) becomes main characrters later in the lore and both are even more interesting than King Llane and Durotan.

I don't give a fuck. The film would be a good entry point, but I'm not going to watch a film if I need to read up on the lore to actually enjoy it. I don't mind if it goes at a fast pace and expects me to attain fluency quickly, the first season of Game of Thrones was very much like that, it was much more rewarding on the second pass while I was reading the books, but it didn't sit me down to explain boring shit that I didn't care about, it had real characters who set off at a pace into a plot and intrigue.

Reportedly, this doesn't do that. It's light on the action, slow, the characters aren't likable, and most people seem to just be hoping for a sequel, rather than telling anyone why they should see this one.

And you yourself said the director sucks, the music sucks (It doesn't, but whatever), and the cast sucks, the screenplay sucks. WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I SEE THIS? Why would I do research for a film you have nothing good to say for, and why would I want it to have a sequel?

You've given everybody precisely no reasons to see it, only reasons not to. I hope you comprehend that.

fisheries:

Samtemdo8:

fisheries:

There's no reason that hiring names is better, it's about talent and suiting the roles. Casting just for how famous people are, stunt casting, is a failure on the part of the director and casting director. And the opinion of the reviewer to whom you're responding is that the actors aren't given room to shine, because they're busy spouting your precious lore.

Marter himself said in the review that Jones is a great film maker.

Unknown composer. Anyone who isn't Hans Zimmer or John Williams is going to be relatively unknown, the question is the strength of the compositions. I checked out the sound track, it's not nearly as bad as you're saying, and to say it's in a different genre or feel is just silly. The track he's best known for is very memorable, and well liked. It's perfectly competent composition too, from the perspective of composing.

As Marter saw it, the problem was that it was too much of an adaptation, and was overburdened with Warcraft Lore, they very stuff you drag into these threads

Well I did mention Screenwriters. And they clearly failed at giving material that makes the actors shine, something I hope the sequals (especially regarding certain characters) will rectify because this franchise does have CHARACRTERS that will not just spout lore exposition and charcacter that you will care about.

Yeah, but that is what the critics said. That the screenplay is slow, overburdened with lore, and many found it dull. Your main problem with the music in particular, seems to be that they didn't use the game music, and you've taken that as license to rubbish the composer. I'm guessing you know VERY LITTLE about music or composition. Considering it's what I've been training myself in for the last 2 years, it's rather galling to see such obnoxious comments.

And if you think the movie was already overburderned with lore you have not seen nothing yet how big this will get into the future.

That does not give me any reason to want to watch it.

If I wanted someone to explain to me tiresome backstory and never get to the action, I'd read the Silmarillion. They need to make the lore engaging.

Like for example Fel is the product of the Burning Legion, Demons born from the Twisting Nether, lead by a fallen Titan named Sargeras.

That means nothing to me. I'm guessing that the Burning Legion is where the first WoW expansion gets it's name, but I don't give a flying fuck about any of that.

You've made the same mistake that the film makers reportedly have. You think telling me about the backstory makes it interesting, when it makes me roll your eyes and think, this is too nerdy even for me.

It's like when kids try to explain the in depth details of videogames to their parents who don't play them. They don't know, and don't care, they have no context, you need to use broad strokes and explain why anyone should care. You have to understand the broader audience.

Why should I want to see Demons born from the Twisting Nether? What is a Titan in this universe? These are the things you have to depict in a way that's interesting to actually excite people. You just mentioning is the exact opposite of that.

image

The son of the King character and the son of Durotan the Orc (Named Varian Wrynn and Thrall respecitively) becomes main characrters later in the lore and both are even more interesting than King Llane and Durotan.

I don't give a fuck. The film would be a good entry point, but I'm not going to watch a film if I need to read up on the lore to actually enjoy it. I don't mind if it goes at a fast pace and expects me to attain fluency quickly, the first season of Game of Thrones was very much like that, it was much more rewarding on the second pass while I was reading the books, but it didn't sit me down to explain boring shit that I didn't care about, it had real characters who set off at a pace into a plot and intrigue.

Reportedly, this doesn't do that. It's light on the action, slow, the characters aren't likable, and most people seem to just be hoping for a sequel, rather than telling anyone why they should see this one.

And you yourself said the director sucks, the music sucks (It doesn't, but whatever), and the cast sucks, the screenplay sucks. WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I SEE THIS? Why would I do research for a film you have nothing good to say for, and why would I want it to have a sequel?

You've given everybody precisely no reasons to see it, only reasons not to. I hope you comprehend that.

Right now all of the post prior to my apolgy post was just my frustration venting since I was so upset that this movie is getting panned. And I recognize the criticisms of the movie. Too much world building yet no compelling chararcters to guide us.

And again in my frustration I was so convinced that this movie might bomb hard enough that no sequal will be greenlit. So no possibility for improvement to make a better movie. So I apoligize for the lore spoilers.

They should of made it a 3 hour movie, and made a future sequel to expand on the movie so the pacing wouldn't be so horrendous. I feel if they would of given each faction or set of characters screen time without forcing in the romance / scene jumping without context, the movie would of felt so much better. Least the CGI looks great and the fighting is awesome.

Yet, I don't think I would have the patience or tolerance for this movie. They needed to give this movie the LoTR treatment by making another movie with a 3 hour mark, even if it was expensive to do- would of totally been worth it. Hell, I heard there's 40 minutes of footage cut from the final product. Like holy hell, don't take out so much vital footage to get a 2 hour mark going- give us everything guys!!

this is just another crtic review that favors people that havent touched anything warcraft.make no mistake this movie caters to the fans that have a deep love for the universe.made for us its not for the person that wants to take their loud toddlers and crying baby to see it if your a fan of the series you will atleast like this film. even fans with a small grasp on the lore will like this.

I liked it, I also recognized that the editor of this movie was being backhanded by the studio in some form because sadly it is SO clear that like an hour was cut from this movie. Choppy edits are all that killed it, between those edits was a glimpse at something so perfect and beautiful it just needed MORE. And for that reason alone I'm giving this a thumbs up, because what I expected was far far worse than what we got.
This movie was the antithesis of the Hobbit, I could watch a more indepth 3 hour long version of this movie with ease.

I mean Orcs vs Humans and the small fragments from WC2 is arguably the most boring pieces of lore from the Warcraft Universe yet the groundwork that needs to be laid for the better ones. As much as Thrall pisses me off nowadays, you bet your backside i'll watch a movie about him breaking the Orcs free of the fel and forming the first Azerothian Horde.

If this movie can make it's budget and instill investor confidence I can only imagine how much better they'll get. The critics who pooped on this movie outright and compared it on the same level as pixels, I hope someone pisses in your coffee. That's absurd. I feel like 2 stars was a bit undue as well, it's a solid 3 star, no movie goer I've spoken to (who haven't heard of WoW/WC and saw it anyway) came out feeling ripped off, it was at worst 'an enjoyable experience'.

And the CG in the movie was on point, especially on the Orcs.

I went and watched both this and TMNT 2. Both were movies made to cater to fans old and new, both were huge CGI action fests. I enjoyed Warcraft far more. Durotan was both kingly and tragic, showing glimpses of the horde to come under his son's rule. Gul'Dan made a great foil for the heroes and simultaneously made Medivh's fall make sense. It was....funny seeing the current Preacher and Tulip playing King and Queen of the Alliance but Dominic and Ruth handled their roles with grace. Seeing all the familiar locations on a big screen was admittedly kinda awesome for a former WoW player - almost had me wanting to resub. Almost. The fights were fun to watch, the CGI wasn't terrible - this is Blizzard after all. If this turns into a movie franchise I could think of far worse ways to start - Resident Evil anyone? If they do a movie for each expansion though I very much hope that Pandaria is skipped. The plot of that particular expac was paper thin enough as is. Or perhaps just leave it localized in Orgrimmar with Garrosh orchestrating an uprising of sorts. But here I'm getting nerdy. I enjoyed it, go see it.

Turtles though? Kids stuff, skip it. A live action version of the cartoon sounds good in theory but in practice it doesn't really work.

Most of the negative reviews frankly come off as hipstery smarm-fests. The one complaint I would raise is that the first half feels like it moved a little too fast and tried to cram too much in. Aside from that it was a fun movie, and I look forward to the sequels.

See I'm a huge lore fan and the changes they made to the characters and the story just don't make sense to me. They added in more complications than were really necessary. We didn't have to see ironforge, we didn't have to see Dalaran which is flying for some reason. We didn't have to have a meeting between dwarves, humans and elves. These are expansions in what was a fairly simple story, that could have been a good intro to the Warcraft Universe.

There are so many aspects of this freaking story that were unfaithful to the original lore and changed for the worse. In scraping to big time set up future movies they over complicated the initial story waaaaaaaaaaay more than necessary, while adding some really needless changes to events and character archs.

I haven't played the game. I read the gaming guide with the intention of playing it. Until, I realized there is a monthly subscription for playing the game. Just judging from the game guide, I thought there wasn't a story to World of Warcraft. So, I wasn't surprised by critics claiming that the story was weak. To be honest, after seeing the movie, the story is a good or better than most summer blockbusters. It was well acted. Great special effects. I don't get why there is a backlash to this movie.

It's not a great movie, or could be considered a future classic. It does what it do very well. It's worth checking out even if you are not a fan of the game.

Samtemdo8:

The movie's soundtrack is utterley forgettable and does not sound Warcraft-y enough, this sounds like Warcraft:

sounds like the soundtrack to the movie to be honest.

Bombiz:

Samtemdo8:

The movie's soundtrack is utterley forgettable and does not sound Warcraft-y enough, this sounds like Warcraft:

sounds like the soundtrack to the movie to be honest.

Let me show you more at least:

And this is the most musical and most epic the movie came up with:

They did put a Jason Hayes theme in the credits at least.

Maphysto:
Most of the negative reviews frankly come off as hipstery smarm-fests. The one complaint I would raise is that the first half feels like it moved a little too fast and tried to cram too much in. Aside from that it was a fun movie, and I look forward to the sequels.

I agree that most critics are way harsher on it than they should be but I can see why. Warcraft's biggest failing is the hectic pacing at the start and if you don't get invested in the first half then I think a lot of people just turn off their brain for the 2nd half. People, and critics especially, are suffering from CGI exhaustion so if they aren't invested by the time the big fight scenes roll around they just don't care enough to even enjoy them anymore.

Even as a huge fan of the series I was getting disoriented trying to keep up with that beginning. I want to see the director's cut, which is suppose to have 40 more minutes, to see how much better the pacing is with Duncan's original vision.

It's just such a shame because the last half of this movie is actually really good; But if you fail to get invested in the first half I can see why you wouldn't give a toss about the last half.

wizzy555:
They did put a Jason Hayes theme in the credits at least.

And that one instance where I heard Stormwind's main theme that lasted a few seconds

So, I saw this in cinemas today straight after Finding Dory. Thoughts on that film aside, this was me, a fan of the Warcraft universe since Warcraft III, the one who's played all three RTS games and a bit of WoW, who's read the books, the comics, etc., watching the chickens come home to roost. Is it as terrible as the critics say, or is it the film that breaks the videogame movie curse? The answer is...

...it's okay.

Not bad, not good, just okay. It's probably the best VG-based movie I've seen bar Prince of Persia, but is it "good?" No, not really, and it's primarily due to the editing. Not only does this film move very quickly, but the way scenes are cut, some of the speech just doesn't make sense. For instance, Durotan and Draka are discussing Thrall/Go'el. Then, Durotan says, "whatever happens," and so does Draka. For apparently no reason. It's like an editor cut out part of the dialogue to shave off a few minutes. Now apply this to a plenthora of scenes from the movie, and you can get an idea of why it feels so lacking in areas. It also doesn't help that it ends with sequel bait without any guarantee for a sequel. Satisfying sequel bait, sure (no spoilers, but the final scene bar the final actual teaser is the lines "for the Alliance!"), but sequel bait nonetheless. Also, for a film called "Warcraft," the "war" part of that title is pretty lacking. The fighting scenes are servicable, but nothing spectacular, and I think it's partly due to the human actors interacting with nothing, given how slow and forced some of their movements are. It doesn't help that neither side seems to use tactics bar "charge into the enemy." (i.e. there's not a single human archer to be seen).

And yet, I enjoyed this movie. The imagery is phenomenal - not just the orcs, which downright rival Avatar in how well defined they are (not once did I think they didn't look real), but the aesthetics as well. The film carries the Warcraft aesthetic excellently, ranging from the magic to the armour. The characters are a bit stretched, in that they have limited material, but I liked them all, pretty much - I think Garona steals the show (and for the record, I don't know why people were complaining about her voice, I could understand her perfectly). The writing is decent overall - nothing spectacular, but quite servicable.

In the end, Warcraft is a film that knows what it is - a fantasy film of two races being forced to fight together because despite their efforts, alternatives can't be found (no spoilers, but the film does meet the literary definition of "tragedy" in areas). It is unashamedly high fantasy. It isn't nearly as good as Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings, but it isn't trying to be those things in any way. It's really the editing and lack of character development that hinders the film, but honestly, I'm glad to have seen it. It's not the big successful VG adaptation we've all hoped for, but it's still one of the best out there. As a Warcraft fan, I enjoyed it. As someone who tries to have a critical eye for movies, I could see the flaws, but the flaws don't ever outweigh the cons. If the film fails, then I at least agree with Mater that it fails for reasons other than apathy/indifference to making a fantasy flick that uses Warcraft as its source material.

So, to Duncan Jones, good job. Not a good film per se, but I still enjoyed my time.

Well.... it wasn't as awful as critics say, but it was still kind of bad.

The acting.... holy shit was it bad. It made it incredibly hard to connect with almost any of these characters. Kadgar was particularly awful while Lothar just came across as generic fantasy guy number 5000. The only major character who I felt was acted decently was Mediv. The guy who played him did a great job of seeming extremely mysterious while also struggling with connecting to his own people.

The visuals were actually pretty good. The humans kind of stuck out stylistically, but the trailers really didn't do the rest of the stuff justice. The orcs looked quite good and the world itself was excellent. The action scenes were similar in quality: weird when humans were involved, but pretty good when it was just orcs.

The story itself was mediocre at best. I know this was supposed to be for the fans, but I don't understand why. Is the rest of Warcraft's stories like this? The main antagonist isn't compelling at all. It's just two guys who became evil because of green magic. No motivations besides being evil and wanting more power. That's not interesting. Then there's the romance..... at least it didn't end up with them together because I didn't buy it for a second. She apparently loves Lothar after spending like 3 hours with the guy. Ha! Why would she love him? He has no personality at all. The guy barely batted an eye when his son was slaughtered in front of him. He just has some drinks, throws the fakest tantrum ever, and then goes back to normal dull fantasy guy number 5000. The only part of the story that I found to be any good was the ending.

The funniest thing about this movie is that many fans are claiming that people don't like it because it's hard to follow for people who don't know the lore. What?! It's an incredibly simple story. That's not inherently a bad thing, I'm just saying that I never once felt lost during the entirety of the movie and the only Warcraft I've played are custom games of Frozen Throne.

So ya, not terrible, and probably one of the best video game movies, but still kind of bad. Glad my ticket only cost 5 bucks.

 

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