Suicide Squad - Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?

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Suicide Squad - Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?

Suicide Squad needed to be a hit for Warner Bros. to hold our interest in the DCEU.

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Here before people say that there's an "anti-DC film conspiracy".

So is it the first or second act that's weak? Because different reviews seem to have different opinions on that part. Could it be that it was just composed of too many different segments, that there was too little crossover in appeal?

Better watch out, there'll be a petition to remove the Escapist from the internet now they've had a bad review of Suicide Squad.

Though the general trend of "meh" that this movie is leaving in its wake is honestly disappointing. I'd been hoping this one would have been good, just because it would seem to suit the grit-smeared aesthetic WB is going for with the DCCU. Superman might not have been a fit for it, but a team of bad guys going into a war zone where they're outright expected to die? Well thats the sort of shit that could get dark and work. Shame they messed it up

Can anyone answer me one question about the movie? Why on earth would anyone put Harley in the team? She doesn't have powers, she's a decent level acrobat and that's about it, and she brings multiple maladies and instabilities into a team. Harley actively makes a team worse for her being in there. I feel like the only reason she's in the team is "Hey she's related to joker and that's the only batman villain people know so put her in"

So you're saying it's a DCappointment?

...

Please don't hurt me.

fluxy100:
Can anyone answer me one question about the movie? Why on earth would anyone put Harley in the team? She doesn't have powers, she's a decent level acrobat and that's about it, and she brings multiple maladies and instabilities into a team. Harley actively makes a team worse for her being in there. I feel like the only reason she's in the team is "Hey she's related to joker and that's the only batman villain people know so put her in"

Probably because Harley was part of the Suicide Squad in DC's 2011 reboot continuity. That's where a lot of this team comes from.

Also, Margot Robbie in skimpy clown punk outfits and a Rainbow Dash dye job sells tickets really easily.

So which of the two is worth watching now for me? The BFG (I loved the cartoon film as a kid) or this? Don't say neither as I got alot of free time at the moment and I WILL go to the cinema to watch either one of the two!

Right now I don't know who to believe anymore:

Anyway I will be honest even if this movie ended up "good" I was not that excited for Suicide Squad even from the first trailer, Just didn't like the premise.

ugh, a movie where Wil Smith belongs to the funniest characters...

says it all I guess.

Marter:
The action isn't anything special, the characters are thinly written, it's tonally inconsistent, it's difficult to care much about what's happening, and it ultimately amounts to nut not very much at all. Could it have been worse? Of course!

Don't mind me, just your resident English major putting my worthless degree to use. :3

Samtemdo8:
Right now I don't know who to believe anymore:

It should be noted that - at least from the few things I've seen/heard - there appears to be a disconnect between average fans (of which I would count Angry Joe since he's not an official movie critic) and actual movie critics. The critics hate it, but average fans have enjoyed it. AJ's review mirrors what I've heard from a number of friends that have seen it, but Marter's review mirrors what I've heard/read from official movie critics.

Honestly not even surprised in the slightest that it turned about to be mediocre at best.

fluxy100:
Can anyone answer me one question about the movie? Why on earth would anyone put Harley in the team? She doesn't have powers, she's a decent level acrobat and that's about it, and she brings multiple maladies and instabilities into a team. Harley actively makes a team worse for her being in there. I feel like the only reason she's in the team is "Hey she's related to joker and that's the only batman villain people know so put her in"

From what I have read in another review she is suppose to have all sorts of criminal contacts which obviously help in this type of thing.

RJ 17:

It should be notice that - at least from the few things I've seen/heard - there appears to be a disconnect between average fans (of which I would count Angry Joe since he's not an official movie critic) and actual movie critics. The critics hate it, but average fans have enjoyed it. AJ's review mirrors what I've heard from a number of friends that have seen it, but Marter's review mirrors what I've heard/read from official movie critics.

Most comic book fans, critics or otherwise, seem to have enjoyed it to varying degrees. Official critics cite disjointed and convoluted plot or a waste of time as the primary issues, which means that A) They're correct about that much and B) They may be viewing the movie from a different lens than the other part of the audience that legitimately likes it.

Stewie Plisken:

RJ 17:

It should be notice that - at least from the few things I've seen/heard - there appears to be a disconnect between average fans (of which I would count Angry Joe since he's not an official movie critic) and actual movie critics. The critics hate it, but average fans have enjoyed it. AJ's review mirrors what I've heard from a number of friends that have seen it, but Marter's review mirrors what I've heard/read from official movie critics.

Most comic book fans, critics or otherwise, seem to have enjoyed it to varying degrees. Official critics cite disjointed and convoluted plot or a waste of time as the primary issues, which means that A) They're correct about that much and B) They may be viewing the movie from a different lens than the other part of the audience that legitimately likes it.

Historically speaking, Critics and Summer Blockbusters, Critics and Action Movies, Critics and Movies with dark undertones or villain protagonists, and Critics and Sci-Fi/Other "Geek" Movies have generally had a pretty rocky relationship, and commonly been divided drastically in opinion.

Glancing through reviews, I'd expect its probably an enjoyable popcorn flick at the least, but don't expect any huge depth or Oscar nods.

Marter:
Suicide Squad - Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?

Suicide Squad needed to be a hit for Warner Bros. to hold our interest in the DCEU.

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Marter my friend, I usually agree with you on most of your movie reviews or at least can understand the whys of your critical views. However I disagree wholly.

I'll not go into it big, but I believe you viewed from the wrong expectations. What I saw was a B+ semi-serious comedy. I loved it. It had flaws, sure. However I felt it did a great job being a Comic Book Stylized movie. Hell Kevin Smith loves Suicide Squad and praised the crap out of David Ayer.

I guess it comes down to subjectivity and perception, maybe even expectation. BvS shattered a lot of folks faith in WB/DC movies and that may still be a sore open wound which permeated into the Suicide Squad reviews.

Well I respectfully disagree with your opinion Sir Marter, I'm sorry you couldn't see it through my eyes. Maybe you'd love it too then ;)

Marter:
Suicide Squad - Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?

Suicide Squad needed to be a hit for Warner Bros. to hold our interest in the DCEU.

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Sir, I respect your opinion. I like you here, and I like how you even said positive things about this film, however...this is one of those times where I say "I want to see it for myself." I have heard mixed reviews on this film. Most hate it, some like it. (If only because of how much it feels like they're actually ENJOYING themselves than in Batman Vs Superman: Dawn of Pretension.) This looks like a load of fun, am I aware it isn't great? Oh yeah. But, I want to give this film a fair chance, and I hear little from the reviews that would merit a thirty-something percentage on Rotten Tomatoes. It looks like a high 60 or 70 to me. I want to see this for myself, and see if this really is decent.

Pallindromemordnillap:
Better watch out, there'll be a petition to remove the Escapist from the internet now they've had a bad review of Suicide Squad.

Though the general trend of "meh" that this movie is leaving in its wake is honestly disappointing. I'd been hoping this one would have been good, just because it would seem to suit the grit-smeared aesthetic WB is going for with the DCCU. Superman might not have been a fit for it, but a team of bad guys going into a war zone where they're outright expected to die? Well thats the sort of shit that could get dark and work. Shame they messed it up

Dammit beat me to it.

Scarim Coral:
So which of the two is worth watching now for me? The BFG (I loved the cartoon film as a kid) or this? Don't say neither as I got alot of free time at the moment and I WILL go to the cinema to watch either one of the two!

I saw the BFG yesterday and felt that it was generally worth watching but not worth watching twice. The BFG himself is good throughout but most of the stuff around him is rather lacklustre. The other giants weren't remotely threatening and had no real impact compared to the far more ogre-like ones in the cartoon version (though since I'm about 20 years older than when I first saw the cartoon it's hard to judge how much of that is down to me)

Giant country is rather dull and the dream catching and moving between worlds stuff felt a bit too ordinary. This film, to me, is a prime example of CGI making everything seem less magical and imaginative by making everything too grounded and indistinct.

The bits in Buckingham palace are a lot better though and made me wish that the film spent more time there and got there earlier when it finally came around. Overall I would have been disappointed if I hadn't already seen the mediocre reviews and the cartoon version is still better.

fluxy100:
Can anyone answer me one question about the movie? Why on earth would anyone put Harley in the team? She doesn't have powers, she's a decent level acrobat and that's about it, and she brings multiple maladies and instabilities into a team. Harley actively makes a team worse for her being in there. I feel like the only reason she's in the team is "Hey she's related to joker and that's the only batman villain people know so put her in"

Well actually, she's also a genius. She's a top class psychiatrist.

She's definitely more than an 'above average' acrobat. She's able to go toe to toe with Batman to an extent (she loses to him in most hand to hand fights, but she has enough skill to last a while).

She has also spent a lot of time around the Joker. Moreso than anyone else. And while it was enough to drive her insane as a therapist, the Joker was basically her mentor. It taught her how to be pretty dangerous.

And as someone else pointed out: She's been in since the reboot. And she's one of DC's most popular villains, so there's that.

Samtemdo8:
Right now I don't know who to believe anymore:

Anyway I will be honest even if this movie ended up "good" I was not that excited for Suicide Squad even from the first trailer, Just didn't like the premise.

The world is not an objective place. Believe no one absolutely :P...

I enjoyed it.

Many critics didn't enjoy it. That's fine and their opinion. They're entitled to their opinion as I am to mine.

It's fine to disagree on opinions.

fluxy100:
Can anyone answer me one question about the movie? Why on earth would anyone put Harley in the team? She doesn't have powers, she's a decent level acrobat and that's about it, and she brings multiple maladies and instabilities into a team. Harley actively makes a team worse for her being in there. I feel like the only reason she's in the team is "Hey she's related to joker and that's the only batman villain people know so put her in"

Have you actually read the Suicide Squad comic books? Let's just start with that...

So... It's going to be harder to convince others to watch this movie with me... especially in theaters...

Other than that, since I haven't seen any [legit] version of BvS, I can feel the disappointment "after" instead of "before"! :p

fluxy100:
Why on earth would anyone put Harley in the team?

Because she's willing to wear hotpants that are sucked so far up her butt you'd think her sphincter was a Hoover.

Samtemdo8:
Right now I don't know whom to believe anymore:

Do what most people do, and believe the people who affirm your preconceptions.

The review is actually pretty accurate; it's a very middling-quality movie with some exceptional character acting and some really awful, cringe-inducing editing.

As for why we'd care about DC's franchise...well, I actually liked Batman v Superman. And Suicide Squad failing to take off makes it less likely that I'll see a Wonder Woman trilogy and an Affleck-directed Batman solo film. So if I had to answer "why do we care," it's because we're keen to see the characters on screen and because there was stuff we actually really liked (Wonder Woman) that they haven't fucked up yet.

You know, the whole thing is like watching a guy trying to make love to a beautiful woman, only every time he lines his Johnson up it slips to the side, and every time he gets a good rhythm going it slides out, and all the while there's a huge studio audience booing every time he fucks it up, and ten feet away there's an adult film shooting and the performers are doing all kinds of acrobatics you wouldn't think a human penis could endure.

The porn star is Marvel, in this analogy.

Solkard:
So is it the first or second act that's weak? Because different reviews seem to have different opinions on that part. Could it be that it was just composed of too many different segments, that there was too little crossover in appeal?

Mostly the first. I felt it improved in the second act, when the squad actually gets together and starts doing stuff. The entire first act is pseudo-edgy exposition that clumsily sets up every character in the film.

Some reviews I read actually had the opposite opinion; that only the first act was worth watching, and the rest was standard superhero fare. Maybe I'm wrong; or maybe those reviewers are dumb, and they need to go to stupid person jail for first-degree ignorance.

fluxy100:
Can anyone answer me one question about the movie? Why on earth would anyone put Harley in the team? She doesn't have powers, she's a decent level acrobat and that's about it, and she brings multiple maladies and instabilities into a team. Harley actively makes a team worse for her being in there. I feel like the only reason she's in the team is "Hey she's related to joker and that's the only batman villain people know so put her in"

In a lot of appearances, Harley is the Joker's muscle, in that she fights Batman for him while he escapes. Anyone who fisticuffs with Batman on a semi-regular basis probably deserves to be on the team.

In reality, it's just that she's a popular but still secondary villain character, and the Suicide Squad comics were entirely based around the idea of taking a bunch of popular-but-still-secondary villains and having them do a team-up. Hence Deadshot, Killer Croc, etc. etc. So you're mostly right on that part; the reason this doesn't bother me is because I fucking love Harley Quinn, and Margot Robbie nailed the role so hard it was walking funny the next morning.

Zhukov:
So you're saying it's a DCappointment?

...

Please don't hurt me.

Man, they outta put you on a suicide squad just for making that pun.

..."Pun Platoon."

I care about the DC filmverse, insofar that I want to see how bad it gets before WB scrap it and reboot. If history is any indicator, 5 years.

Went to see the movie today and there's things I agree with ya, but also things I can overlook in Suicide Squad.

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The movie's ... got flaws. Pretty big ones that can't really be glossed over. Is it as bad as people say it is? No, it's even pretty good. Just the flaws in this movie hurt it quite a lot, to the point it could of been great if the start wasn't trying to give each and every character a backstory within a 2 hour or so movie. Another huge problem is how certain actions from certain characters don't make much sense, and not in the "because they're crazy lawl" sense. Like, one of them did something so out of character most people in the theater started saying 'what?' aloud. I think it's more of a 3.4 star movie, quite good but not great ... still, I enjoyed it.

Harley Quinn and Deadshot made the movie as good as it could of been. Everyone else did a decent or meh job in all honesty.

Yeah, BvS killed DC for me. I had little to no interest in this movie. This review, along with others, has done nothing to change that feeling.

Caramel Frappe:
Harley Quinn and Deadshot made the movie as good as it could of been. Everyone else did a decent or meh job in all honesty.

Would it be accurate to say that Harley and Deadshot added a star to your rating? And without them the movie has little to no redeeming quality. That's sort of the feeling I get from what you're saying here.

Saltyk:

Caramel Frappe:
Harley Quinn and Deadshot made the movie as good as it could of been. Everyone else did a decent or meh job in all honesty.

Would it be accurate to say that Harley and Deadshot added a star to your rating? And without them the movie has little to no redeeming quality. That's sort of the feeling I get from what you're saying here.

Pretty much. If they weren't in the movie (the actors, not the characters) this movie would of flopped for sure. They did their absolute best in making their characters work with the mediocre plot and they succeeded, yet even they couldn't make the movie great sadly.

"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"

Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...

Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well. :(

Caramel Frappe:

Saltyk:

Caramel Frappe:
Harley Quinn and Deadshot made the movie as good as it could of been. Everyone else did a decent or meh job in all honesty.

Would it be accurate to say that Harley and Deadshot added a star to your rating? And without them the movie has little to no redeeming quality. That's sort of the feeling I get from what you're saying here.

Pretty much. If they weren't in the movie (the actors, not the characters) this movie would of flopped for sure. They did their absolute best in making their characters work with the mediocre plot and they succeeded, yet even they couldn't make the movie great sadly.

To be fair, I was certain that Will Smith would be the best part of the movie. He's the best part of pretty much every movie he has ever been in. I'll also say that I knew Harley would either be a highlight, or eye roll worthy. Good to hear she was a highlight.

Caramel Frappe:

Saltyk:

Caramel Frappe:
Harley Quinn and Deadshot made the movie as good as it could of been. Everyone else did a decent or meh job in all honesty.

Would it be accurate to say that Harley and Deadshot added a star to your rating? And without them the movie has little to no redeeming quality. That's sort of the feeling I get from what you're saying here.

Pretty much. If they weren't in the movie (the actors, not the characters) this movie would of flopped for sure. They did their absolute best in making their characters work with the mediocre plot and they succeeded, yet even they couldn't make the movie great sadly.

Was Will Smith good because he portrayed Deadshot well, or because he was being Will Smith? From the trailers I feel like he's just playing Agent Jay or the guy from I Am Robot again.

OT: Watching it anyway to support a fundraiser. Honestly, I do think that the mainstream audience will enjoy this way more than the critics. I haven't heard a single non-critic say its as horrible as the Tomatometer makes it look.

Hawki:
"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"

Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...

Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well. :(

While it may not be the alternative you're looking for, in contrast, none of the DC TV series suck. Going by what I've heard, the worst one is Supergirl and it's still miles better than Agents of Shield.

Also, take a look into Gods of Egypt and The Last Witch Hunter. While they may not be superhero films, they're damn near close.

Transdude1996:

While it may not be the alternative you're looking for, in contrast, none of the DC TV series suck. Going by what I've heard, the worst one is Supergirl and it's still miles better than Agents of Shield.

Also, take a look into Gods of Egypt and The Last Witch Hunter. While they may not be superhero films, they're damn near close.

The DC TV series? Okay...

Well, Arrow was quite good for the first two seasons, then it took a nose-dive in season 3, and from what I've heard, that continued into season 4. Seen season 1 of The Flash, not really my thing for various reasons, part of which is that the "Arrowverse" as a concept is drastically different from the series that started it. Supergirl probably won't change that, and Gotham isn't my thing either, or at least it wasn't in the few episodes I've seen.

Bear in mind this isn't me saying "I like superheroes, give me good stuff," it's more "okay, what can this genre offer me?" In recent times, very little, and in the moviescape, nothing.

As for Gods of Egypt, I've seen it. It's bad. Genuinely enjoyable, but still a bad film at the end of the day if one applies a modicum of critical thought. It's wearing its influences on its sleeve, but I'd still categorize it as "fantasy" more than "superhero." At the least, it's more in the "swords and sandals" sub-genre of film. But it's still the 6th worst movie I've seen this year, which is at least a step up from BvS (4th worst).

To be fair, by movie standards, both Marvel and DC are generally mediocre. Not even close to quality cinema (bar a few minor exceptions or scenes that REALLY are quite good, even if the movie ain't). So in a sense people care because... I am unsure. Blockbusters + modern mythology with these characters.

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