Zero Punctuation: Titanfall 2 vs Call of Duty Infinite Warfare

Titanfall 2 vs Call of Duty Infinite Warfare

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Titanfall 2 and Call of Duty Infinite Warfare.

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For me Titan Fall 2 suffers from that urge to want it quickly followed by losing interest because I own the original Steel Battalion for the original Xbox. In other words I own the best giant robot experience where every other giant robot experience seems weak in comparison.

CoD on the other hand suffers from either I don't care for reality or I'd rather play as The Arbiter from Halo 2.

Now if only I could save money I would really feel smug right about now.

Call of Duty is clearly on the decline, but opinions differ as to where the decline started and how bad it's gotten. I'd say the decline started after World at War, but only turned into a nosedive at Ghosts. If anything, Infinite Warfare is an improvement over the last three CoD games. While Infinite Warfare may not be great, it is also not completely retarded.

darkrage6:
Wonder if Yahtzee is going to do a double review of Titanfall 2 and Infinite Warfare next week since they share some similarities.

Well done, This Guy.

Respawn seem to have taken over the role of "the EA studio who know how to make a good shooter". Be a shame if this game performs poorly and they don't get to keep making them. Granted, it wouldn't be so bad, since Respawn is only partnered with EA and not owned by them outright, so getting let go would just mean having to find another publisher to work with that won't force their games to be Origin exclu- actually I think I might be OK with EA dropping them like a hot potato.

I never plyed Titanfall 1 because because, but I've heard from many others 2 is the way to go as a sequel, improving on everything the original had going for it, sadly it is destinied to fail because EA crunched it between Battlefield 1 and COD: IW and its accolades at the might be snubbed by ND's pretty boy, Blizzard's cool kids and idSoftware's BFG.

Proper giving it to fat grandma this episode... she do, or forget something? :D

Lot of name changes in this one. Yahtzee must be getting ready for his first 'Merica Thanksgiving.

Steve the Pocket:

darkrage6:
Wonder if Yahtzee is going to do a double review of Titanfall 2 and Infinite Warfare next week since they share some similarities.

Well done, This Guy.

Respawn seem to have taken over the role of "the EA studio who know how to make a good shooter". Be a shame if this game performs poorly and they don't get to keep making them. Granted, it wouldn't be so bad, since Respawn is only partnered with EA and not owned by them outright, so getting let go would just mean having to find another publisher to work with that won't force their games to be Origin exclu- actually I think I might be OK with EA dropping them like a hot potato.

Too late, Titanfall 2 has already sold poorly, even EA has admitted it. You know, because it released within a month of THREE other AAA multiplayer focused bro shooters (Gears 4, BF1, COD:Whatever). One of them was even released by EA!

Laughably, it's even the best of the rotten bunch, though that isn't saying much.

I believe I heard Yahtzee give more praise to Battlefield 1 in this video than he did in that game's review last week, so he at least appreciates the attempt to be historical. And it sounds to me like CoD: Indefinite Warbler stole the plot of one of the Red Faction games and switched the sides around. Jaysus, guys, are you out of original ideas already?

Jacked Assassin:
For me Titan Fall 2 suffers from that urge to want it quickly followed by losing interest because I own the original Steel Battalion for the original Xbox. In other words I own the best giant robot experience where every other giant robot experience seems weak in comparison.

CoD on the other hand suffers from either I don't care for reality or I'd rather play as The Arbiter from Halo 2.

Now if only I could save money I would really feel smug right about now.

If Dark Souls ruined RPGs for some, Steel Battalion has ruined mech combat games for you and I.

ANYWHO...

Battlefield One did nothing with its setting and straight up insults its setting by basically making a WWII shooter of a WWI-themed game.

Titanfall 2 was only fun when you weren't playing with the giant robot advertised on the box.

COD: IW was, after the dust settles, "just another COD game" rather than "the Antichrist's piss taken video game form".

So all three spunkgargleweewee shooters are just more spungargleweewee? Whoda thunk it?

So...something, something, fat grandmas, chocolate, something? 0_0

09philj:
Call of Duty is clearly on the decline, but opinions differ as to where the decline started and how bad it's gotten. I'd say the decline started after World at War, but only turned into a nosedive at Ghosts. If anything, Infinite Warfare is an improvement over the last three CoD games. While Infinite Warfare may not be great, it is also not completely retarded.

World at War? Really? Gonna have to disagree with you there. I dont think there is a decline. Infact, I dont think there is that much change across game popularity, and think its been rather leveled the whole time. CoD4 is overrated by nostalgia, and if there was a peak, it was probably Modern Warfare 2 if anything.

I mean really, Im betting each game sells more than the last. Maybe not by any crazy amount, but I think people are just used to Call of Duty existing, rather than it falling out of favor. Kind of like Pokemon. We dont act like we did in the 90's, but Pokemon is probably more popular than ever.

09philj:
Call of Duty is clearly on the decline, but opinions differ as to where the decline started and how bad it's gotten.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvN51r1o1Nc&t

You're welcome. ;)

Darth_Payn:
And it sounds to me like CoD: Indefinite Warbler stole the plot of one of the Red Faction games and switched the sides around.

Actually, the idea of "planetary imperialism/independence/rebellion" goes at least as far back as 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress', and the idea of Mars specifically rebelling against Earth goes at least as far back as the 'Mars Trilogy' (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars'). Red Faction came out half a decade after those novels, and the idea of Mars seeking independence from Earth has, off the top of my head, been explored in Babylon 5, The Expanse, Red Rising, and Marathon.

I can't comment on Infinite Warfare's plot so much, but at the least, I don't think any one piece of media can claim ownership over the idea of Mars rebelling against Earth.

Jacked Assassin:
For me Titan Fall 2 suffers from that urge to want it quickly followed by losing interest because I own the original Steel Battalion for the original Xbox.

I wouldn't call Titanfall 2 a Giant Robot game, it's more like flipping between playing The Scout and The Heavy from Team Fortress 2. Except Heavy is voiced by Optimus Prime.

Saelune:
CoD4 is overrated by nostalgia, and if there was a peak, it was probably Modern Warfare 2 if anything.

Modern Warfare 2 was definitely the start of Infinity Ward's decline.

CoD4's campaign was so impactful because it subverted what were the established tropes of the time, as well the setting being a marked difference from the sea of World War Two shooters fronted by American Sergeants with Tommy Guns. The ostensible hero dies (pointlessly) half way in, the day is only partly saved and the story doesn't have a particularly happy ending.

With the exception of the M82 the multiplayer was very well balanced and addictive too. It wasn't overly laden with gimmicks either. On PC at least it's still played fairly widely now.

Modern Warfare 2 set the tone for Call of Duty's decline. It was more of the same, but louder. What was unexpected in CoD4 was routine in MW2, the multiplayer was again more of the same but laden down with more gimmicky perks and much less balanced as a result. Activision cheaping out of the cheat protection and server infrastructure didn't help it either.

In two years Call of Duty went from exciting and unexpected to totally stagnant, it wouldn't be until now that an Infnity Ward game even vaguely altered the formula.

Away from the Infinity Ward games Black Ops 2/3 and Advanced Warfare I quite liked though, BlOps is gleefully crazy and AW had Kevin Spacey bringing ALL THE HAM, which made it worthwhile.

Call this a hunch...but I'm beginning to feel like you might have some unresolved issues revolving around your grandmother and her metabolism problem...

Hawki:

09philj:
Call of Duty is clearly on the decline, but opinions differ as to where the decline started and how bad it's gotten.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvN51r1o1Nc&t

You're welcome. ;)

Darth_Payn:
And it sounds to me like CoD: Indefinite Warbler stole the plot of one of the Red Faction games and switched the sides around.

Actually, the idea of "planetary imperialism/independence/rebellion" goes at least as far back as 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress', and the idea of Mars specifically rebelling against Earth goes at least as far back as the 'Mars Trilogy' (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars'). Red Faction came out half a decade after those novels, and the idea of Mars seeking independence from Earth has, off the top of my head, been explored in Babylon 5, The Expanse, Red Rising, and Marathon.

I can't comment on Infinite Warfare's plot so much, but at the least, I don't think any one piece of media can claim ownership over the idea of Mars rebelling against Earth.

If you want to focus just on Mars.

Hell, my first thought of the plot is they are ripping of the original 70's Gundam, with Earth defending against rebellious space colonies.

fix-the-spade:

Jacked Assassin:
For me Titan Fall 2 suffers from that urge to want it quickly followed by losing interest because I own the original Steel Battalion for the original Xbox.

I wouldn't call Titanfall 2 a Giant Robot game, it's more like flipping between playing The Scout and The Heavy from Team Fortress 2. Except Heavy is voiced by Optimus Prime.

Saelune:
CoD4 is overrated by nostalgia, and if there was a peak, it was probably Modern Warfare 2 if anything.

Modern Warfare 2 was definitely the start of Infinity Ward's decline.

CoD4's campaign was so impactful because it subverted what were the established tropes of the time, as well the setting being a marked difference from the sea of World War Two shooters fronted by American Sergeants with Tommy Guns. The ostensible hero dies (pointlessly) half way in, the day is only partly saved and the story doesn't have a particularly happy ending.

With the exception of the M82 the multiplayer was very well balanced and addictive too. It wasn't overly laden with gimmicks either. On PC at least it's still played fairly widely now.

Modern Warfare 2 set the tone for Call of Duty's decline. It was more of the same, but louder. What was unexpected in CoD4 was routine in MW2, the multiplayer was again more of the same but laden down with more gimmicky perks and much less balanced as a result. Activision cheaping out of the cheat protection and server infrastructure didn't help it either.

In two years Call of Duty went from exciting and unexpected to totally stagnant, it wouldn't be until now that an Infnity Ward game even vaguely altered the formula.

Away from the Infinity Ward games Black Ops 2/3 and Advanced Warfare I quite liked though, BlOps is gleefully crazy and AW had Kevin Spacey bringing ALL THE HAM, which made it worthwhile.

I think you over-estimate the low points. Im not saying they arent lower points, but they arent series killers like some people act like they are.

Its not like they dropped the way Assassin's Creed as a series has.

Thanatos2k:

Steve the Pocket:

darkrage6:
Wonder if Yahtzee is going to do a double review of Titanfall 2 and Infinite Warfare next week since they share some similarities.

Well done, This Guy.

Respawn seem to have taken over the role of "the EA studio who know how to make a good shooter". Be a shame if this game performs poorly and they don't get to keep making them. Granted, it wouldn't be so bad, since Respawn is only partnered with EA and not owned by them outright, so getting let go would just mean having to find another publisher to work with that won't force their games to be Origin exclu- actually I think I might be OK with EA dropping them like a hot potato.

Too late, Titanfall 2 has already sold poorly, even EA has admitted it. You know, because it released within a month of THREE other AAA multiplayer focused bro shooters (Gears 4, BF1, COD:Whatever). One of them was even released by EA!

Laughably, it's even the best of the rotten bunch, though that isn't saying much.

Turns out releasing it A DAY after their huge Battlefield entry was a terrible fucking idea. Though TBH, Titanfall 2 is the most fun I've had with a multiplayer FPS in a looong time.

(Also, I'd generally advise against bothering with iron sights unless you've got a sniper rifle. The hipfire's really accurate, and that weapon mod that lets you shoot while sprinting is godlike. You're actively denying yourself fun if you play it the hidey-pokey whackamole COD style: It'll work in the singleplayer, but bouncing between walls in and out of guns-blazing powerslides is just as effective and way more interesting.)

I kind of saw this comparison coming from the moment I played the first Titanfall - Titanfall felt like one of those 'realistic military shooters' in the future, but pulled the controls off better than Infinite Warfare. Plus, I am partial to Titanfall because it had giant robots in it. Oddly, I got a lot of what I was wanting in a competitive online shooter.

Titanfall 2 is pretty good, honestly, but people can't really give it a chance when it's getting released within weeks of popular franchises by popular companies that are always going to be hits. Like, how were people honestly going get into Battleborn when a freaking Blizzard game, and a brand new IP, at that, was slated almost directly after? Titanfall could have stood to be a 2017 summer title and just got get away from Shooter Season 2016 altogether.

But I felt like Titanfall's basic set-up and control-feel felt like that's where Call of Duty was eventually going to end up.

Sheo_Dagana:

Titanfall 2 is pretty good, honestly, but people can't really give it a chance when it's getting released within weeks of popular franchises by popular companies

EA and Activision are "popular companies?" 0_0

Hawki:

Sheo_Dagana:

Titanfall 2 is pretty good, honestly, but people can't really give it a chance when it's getting released within weeks of popular franchises by popular companies

EA and Activision are "popular companies?" 0_0

Among those who don't keep up with the news? As in, the vast majority? Yes.

Hawki:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvN51r1o1Nc&t

You're welcome. ;)

OMG, someone else knows about Noah Caldwell. I love that guy.

In other words, 'Let's put Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare head to head with a more normal-quality modern game and check all the different ways that it falls short in comparison'.

Sort of like that article a while back where he compared Lost Planet 3 to Metroid Prime. Maybe if IW had mechs, which it could totally have done due to the setting, even in the multiplayer.

I hope Yahtzee takes a massive dump on Dishonored 2.

darkrage6:
I hope Yahtzee takes a massive dump on Dishonored 2.

He made some comments to that effect during this week's stream.

Johnny Novgorod:

darkrage6:
I hope Yahtzee takes a massive dump on Dishonored 2.

He made some comments to that effect during this week's stream.

is there an archive for said streams? lost track or where to follow him after he moved to the US.

InflatableHippo:

Johnny Novgorod:

darkrage6:
I hope Yahtzee takes a massive dump on Dishonored 2.

He made some comments to that effect during this week's stream.

is there an archive for said streams? lost track or where to follow him after he moved to the US.

You can check out the videos archived in the EscapistMagazine Twitch channel here.

https://www.twitch.tv/escapistmagazine/videos/all

The videos tend to not be labeled properly so look for Wednesday uploads + lots of views (Yahtzee's videos have the highest views). I think Twitch erases videos after about 2 months but there's been some talk about uploading them to YouTube. In the mean time, there they are.

Jacked Assassin:
For me Titan Fall 2 suffers from that urge to want it quickly followed by losing interest

Welcome to AAA gaming.

Now come on, Titanfall 2's protagonist had a reasonably memorable name! It was...

...

Errr, gimme a sec...

...

I'm sure it was some white, grizzled Pronoun of some sort...

...

...Me?

Johnny Novgorod:

darkrage6:
I hope Yahtzee takes a massive dump on Dishonored 2.

He made some comments to that effect during this week's stream.

Awesome! I can hardly wait til tomorrow.

Hopefully the bubble is bursting so the bankruptcies can start and from the ashes real talent will arise. Either that, or we will be overrun by indie Unity prefab pretend games, made by one or two people, that take five years to admit they never they were just coasting on the prefab author's work, while looting the profits (left over from Steam's 80% cut) for pizza pockets and rubbing alcohol to wash them down.

 

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