Zero Punctuation: Dishonored 2

Dishonored 2

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Dishonored 2.

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Gotta say that the voice acting is my biggest quibble with Dishonored too. I'm sitting there practically begging the characters to throw some damned inflection into their voice and emote for God's sake.

Yahtzee slipping in a Count of Monte Cristo reference for good measure.

Oh MAN this was a good one. XD

Cruella de ville and Gaston's momentary appearance and the vengeance of the blink power bits had me laughing my ass off so much I had to pause the video.

I think an example of NPCs' dialouge being important is in Arkham City.

Every enemy has voice acting that sounds like they're depressed criminals in a deserted wasteland of a city. They also yell taunts at Batman while fighting and they exchange small lines of dialogue when they don't see Batman. Hell they even have conversations about the situation they are currently in. Sometimes they talk about how they feel about their leader or sometimes they just want to make fun of each other.

These lines of dialogue made the world of Arkham City seem so real and authentic. It made the world feel like an actual Batman setting and it worked so well.

I don't really play it for the dialog. I like it because the stealth is a bit better, like how they notice open doors or when their patrol buddies go missing. There's plenty of excitement there that I don't get from other stealth games.

Huh. No epic gender-based wildfire to put out. Guess everyone is still mentally exhausted from the election.

There is a game with that time travel mechanic: Singularity by Raven Software from 2010.

You even reviewed it http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1883-Singularity

So in short, fun gameplay but kinda bleh story?

Silentpony:
Huh. No epic gender-based wildfire to put out. Guess everyone is still mentally exhausted from the election.

To be honest, outside of some really weird people, no one really had a problem with Emily and Yahtzee taking pokes at that just kind of feel like he's really reaching to get a reaction.

erttheking:

Silentpony:
Huh. No epic gender-based wildfire to put out. Guess everyone is still mentally exhausted from the election.

To be honest, outside of some really weird people, no one really had a problem with Emily and Yahtzee taking pokes at that just kind of feel like he's really reaching to get a reaction.

TBH I didn't even know there was a girl in the game until this review. And good for it, yadda yadda. Just surprised by the lack of attention, both pro and con.

K.ur:
There is a game with that time travel mechanic: Singularity by Raven Software from 2010.

You even reviewed it http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1883-Singularity

Except like most spunkgargleweewee games, that element is only used at fixed points for set pieces, and not (as in here) as a functioning on/off switch for a period of time.

erttheking:
So in short, fun gameplay but kinda bleh story?

Pretty much. I just finished a low chaos run with Emily, and quite enjoyed it, but the story isn't anything to write home about. It's not particularly bad, it's just not that good. There are a couple of story threads that unfurl quite nicely, but for the most part it's pretty standard.

And other than effecting chaos levels, it didn't seem that your choices regarding most of the targets made much of a difference other than some obligatory NPC dialogue - I think the first game handled this a little better from memory.

On the positive side, the world building is excellent, the various areas are well laid out and for the most part give multiple options for progressing, and the game feels just about long enough but not too long for you to get bored. I'll probably do a play through with Corvo at some point, but that will be more to enjoy a different gameplay style as opposed to a different story.

Silentpony:

erttheking:

Silentpony:
Huh. No epic gender-based wildfire to put out. Guess everyone is still mentally exhausted from the election.

To be honest, outside of some really weird people, no one really had a problem with Emily and Yahtzee taking pokes at that just kind of feel like he's really reaching to get a reaction.

TBH I didn't even know there was a girl in the game until this review. And good for it, yadda yadda. Just surprised by the lack of attention, both pro and con.

Yeah, bit weird for him to put it in, since the same can be said for the argument of making most protagonists male. And I actually found it a bit weird that Corvo is an option for the game, since one of Dishonored's endings showed Emily visiting his grave. Guess this occurs before that? Regardless, it didn't occur to me that her gender had anything to do with being a playable character. Just thought it was a continuation of a story already in progress. Corvo was never particularly important outside of her, after all. His whole existence revolved around Emily and her mother.

But just to stir up the controversy he wanted: asking for female playable characters in a multiplayer game in which you can choose different character models and respective voice actors.... isn't the same thing as asking for them as main protagonists. Since Unity was his specific reference.

Milenkov:
Except like most spunkgargleweewee games, that element is only used at fixed points for set pieces, and not (as in here) as a functioning on/off switch for a period of time.

Never played, it looked to much of a spunkgargleweewee. *shoulder shrug*

I can't help but feel the game would be longer and more satisfying if it only had one main character. Corvo should just die in the opening act or just be presumed dead. He should be well into his 40's or 50's at a minimum. I can only suspend belief so far until elderly Spiderman is running around and it just seems silly.

Gluff:
I think an example of NPCs' dialouge being important is in Arkham City.

Every enemy has voice acting that sounds like they're depressed criminals in a deserted wasteland of a city. They also yell taunts at Batman while fighting and they exchange small lines of dialogue when they don't see Batman. Hell they even have conversations about the situation they are currently in. Sometimes they talk about how they feel about their leader or sometimes they just want to make fun of each other.

These lines of dialogue made the world of Arkham City seem so real and authentic. It made the world feel like an actual Batman setting and it worked so well.

Funny. The NPC dialogue is a mayor reason I never replayed Arkham City. I'm not a comic book reader, so I can't vouch to the faithfulness of replicating the Batman setting. But I don't think the intended effect of the dialogue was to make me wish for Batman to hand Dr Strange the fucking matches and help him burn the whole place to the ground. Halfway through that game my response to the start of another overheard conversation was "Oh goody, are these assholes going to tell me how much they enjoy murder, rape* and torture, or about how much worse their bosses are. Yeah, I figured that out already. How about some dialogue that gives me a reason why I wouldn't want to see them all killed? Cause at this point, what alternatives are there? Between this game and the last one, I think we've pretty much established that putting them in a jail or mental hospital doesn't even stop them from committing mass murder while they're still inside the building, let alone once they get out during Gotham's bi-weekly jailbreak."

*I literally cannot think of a single instance of mook dialogue to or about any female character that didn't include speculating or suggesting having sex with them, with consent being very much not a concern.

K.ur:
There is a game with that time travel mechanic: Singularity by Raven Software from 2010.

You even reviewed it http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1883-Singularity

The game that came to my mind at that part was The Prince of Persia: Warrior Within, with the Prince jumping back and forth between the past and present on that island.
I remember from the first Dishonored that the dialogue was unbelievably flat. As in, it was so flat, I could not believe in the game's story or world. I constantly heard the voice of Harold Zoid in my head, yelling "No! You've got to EMOTE, dammit!" And since when could Corvo talk?

You can alter the timeline on that mission which brings some nice changes to the last Karnaca bit, so it's more than just a one off gimmick.

Also if you are a hearthless motherfucker, you can leave the other protagonist petrified and rule alone on High Chaos.

Even as Corvo, dubbed Corvo the Black.

So things will definetly change.

There are more little changes to the endings (I've heard you can somehow make Corvo the ruler of Karnaca as Emily, which sounds cool, I guess you need to off the important NPCs), I'm waiting for the NG+ patch to start another playtrough, but there is definetly a high replay value. No powers run on very hard was damn awesome, that's one reason to replay atleast for everyone.

Damn it. Pointy end goes in to target. Pointy goes in.

Was expecting Yahtzee to suggest this is called Dishonored Two as they pretend it actually has one more degree of replayability than the first, since we can now play as two genders (yes, there are many more you genderist). They already know we are playing in pure stealth, since the violent path was designed to be a cakewalk.

Silentpony:
Huh. No epic gender-based wildfire to put out. Guess everyone is still mentally exhausted from the election.

This whole site has been a ghost town for ages now, and it seems to have been a largely constant decline. I haven't crunched the numbers, but look at the comment counts on some of his older videos; they're in the hundreds. These days we're lucky if we can crack two pages.

erttheking:
To be honest, outside of some really weird people, no one really had a problem with Emily and Yahtzee taking pokes at that just kind of feel like he's really reaching to get a reaction.

It's not the people who "had a problem with Emily" that he's baiting here, though.

Steve the Pocket:

Silentpony:
Huh. No epic gender-based wildfire to put out. Guess everyone is still mentally exhausted from the election.

This whole site has been a ghost town for ages now, and it seems to have been a largely constant decline. I haven't crunched the numbers, but look at the comment counts on some of his older videos; they're in the hundreds. These days we're lucky if we can crack two pages.

erttheking:
To be honest, outside of some really weird people, no one really had a problem with Emily and Yahtzee taking pokes at that just kind of feel like he's really reaching to get a reaction.

It's not the people who "had a problem with Emily" that he's baiting here, though.

The point I'm trying to get across is that there were never really any arguments around Emily, so trying to stir things up in that regard is like trying to get water out of solid rock.

erttheking:

The point I'm trying to get across is that there were never really any arguments around Emily, so trying to stir things up in that regard is like trying to get water out of solid rock.

Emily isn't the point of his argument at all.

Steve the Pocket:

This whole site has been a ghost town for ages now, and it seems to have been a largely constant decline. I haven't crunched the numbers, but look at the comment counts on some of his older videos; they're in the hundreds. These days we're lucky if we can crack two pages.
It's not the people who "had a problem with Emily" that he's baiting here, though.

You've only just realized? It's been that way for literally years now, although recently it has gotten a lot worse. I'm pretty sure it's the fact that ZP is now on youtube that really did it in - When that happened the comment count on his videos decreased dramatically almost immediately, even though he's still very popular (his videos regularly break the million views mark on youtube). Everyone has always said that ZP carries The Escapist basically single-handedly, and this is pretty much proof of that. Once people didn't need to come here to see Zp videos and most of all didn't need to log in to share their views on a site they don't even use otherwise, people just had no reason to come around anymore.

If Zp/Yahtzee ever goes indie... Phew

The Dead Singer:

erttheking:

Steve the Pocket:

This whole site has been a ghost town for ages now, and it seems to have been a largely constant decline. I haven't crunched the numbers, but look at the comment counts on some of his older videos; they're in the hundreds. These days we're lucky if we can crack two pages.

It's not the people who "had a problem with Emily" that he's baiting here, though.

The point I'm trying to get across is that there were never really any arguments around Emily, so trying to stir things up in that regard is like trying to get water out of solid rock.

Emily isn't the point of his argument at all.

I know, but it's the point of my argument. That this was a nontroversy.

Look, 90% of game protagonists are ruggedly handsome white males, something Yahtzee has complained about in the past. If you can choose the exact quirky outfit of your character, but there's no story reason for them to be explicitly male, it's fucking ridiculous that you can't also play as a female if you so choose. There's a reason no one complained about Franklin in GTA V.

erttheking:

The Dead Singer:

erttheking:

The point I'm trying to get across is that there were never really any arguments around Emily, so trying to stir things up in that regard is like trying to get water out of solid rock.

Emily isn't the point of his argument at all.

I know, but it's the point of my argument. That this was a nontroversy.

Isn't that exactly what he said though? I think the whole bit was started with something to the effect of "Whatever happened to all the controversy about female VG characters?". He pointed out that there was no controversy and then aired out some of his annoyances over what used to be a controversy and it only makes sense because this game likely would have have been fuel on that fire if that fire was still burning, was in development while the fire was burning, only to come out after the fire had been reduced to embers.

Yahtzee has a really big thing for story, so if he felt the story was harmed by its needing to work for either of two distinct characters in the singular lead role in order to meet a gender choice requirement, it makes sense to bring up the conditions that may have led to the gender choice being included even if those conditions are no longer present.

It's a real shame the voice director didn't figure out how to make the characters/actors actually emote, seems like it'd be a relatively simple thing to do. At least it seems like the sneaking has been polished a bit, and failures penalized a bit more harshly (I recall dealing with a group of guards being somewhat trivial in D1 unless you were being strict with a nonlethal run).

K.ur:

Milenkov:
Except like most spunkgargleweewee games, that element is only used at fixed points for set pieces, and not (as in here) as a functioning on/off switch for a period of time.

Never played, it looked to much of a spunkgargleweewee. *shoulder shrug*

It's sorta like if Mirror's edge strapped on a jump jet and nicked COD's guns. And then got in a big stompy robot.

So about 30% SpunkGargleWeeWee, 30% wallrunning/jumping/sliding/climbing, 30% Gundam, and 10% swinging around on grappling hooks/turning invisible/doing the Tracer undo thing.

"Look at ME, I don't mind playing a female character while the industry caters to my demo the remaining 90% of the time"

That's very progressive of you, hon.

Milenkov:

K.ur:
There is a game with that time travel mechanic: Singularity by Raven Software from 2010.

You even reviewed it http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1883-Singularity

Except like most spunkgargleweewee games, that element is only used at fixed points for set pieces, and not (as in here) as a functioning on/off switch for a period of time.

Singularity has nothing in common with modern military shooters.

bificommander:

Gluff:
I think an example of NPCs' dialouge being important is in Arkham City.

Every enemy has voice acting that sounds like they're depressed criminals in a deserted wasteland of a city. They also yell taunts at Batman while fighting and they exchange small lines of dialogue when they don't see Batman. Hell they even have conversations about the situation they are currently in. Sometimes they talk about how they feel about their leader or sometimes they just want to make fun of each other.

These lines of dialogue made the world of Arkham City seem so real and authentic. It made the world feel like an actual Batman setting and it worked so well.

Funny. The NPC dialogue is a mayor reason I never replayed Arkham City. I'm not a comic book reader, so I can't vouch to the faithfulness of replicating the Batman setting. But I don't think the intended effect of the dialogue was to make me wish for Batman to hand Dr Strange the fucking matches and help him burn the whole place to the ground. Halfway through that game my response to the start of another overheard conversation was "Oh goody, are these assholes going to tell me how much they enjoy murder, rape* and torture, or about how much worse their bosses are. Yeah, I figured that out already. How about some dialogue that gives me a reason why I wouldn't want to see them all killed? Cause at this point, what alternatives are there? Between this game and the last one, I think we've pretty much established that putting them in a jail or mental hospital doesn't even stop them from committing mass murder while they're still inside the building, let alone once they get out during Gotham's bi-weekly jailbreak."

*I literally cannot think of a single instance of mook dialogue to or about any female character that didn't include speculating or suggesting having sex with them, with consent being very much not a concern.

dialogue seems like a silly complaint if the gameplay is fun.

 

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