Logan - X-Men's Dark Knight

Logan - X-Men's Dark Knight

Logan is the best X-Men film and a perfect sendoff for Hugh Jackman.

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I have no interest in the X-Men saga, would lose all interest in Super Hero Movies if they had to be PG-13, or actual Westerns as I associate that with Republicans.
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I basically saw Logan because it was Rated R & liked it.
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Not to say R guarantees a good movie. It does however guarantee that the audience you'll have to deal with will be less irritating.

Youve sold me, Ill go and see it.

Although Ive never really cared for the x-men movies.

It does not belong to Marvel, yet still was a great movie, what is Fantastic Four's excuse to keep sucking? At least this movie will shut the fanboys that say that everything Marvel sold should be given back with an apology card.

Went to see Logan and holy crap ... what a ride. Not in the excitement / action-y sense but the emotional side of life was very present in this film. Everything was incredible, and the character interactions were very personal but realistic in my eyes.

Loved it. An easy 8.5 / 10 and got me to tear up ... a superhero movie got me emotional. Easily my top 10 favorite movies now.

Igor-Rowan:
It does not belong to Marvel, yet still was a great movie, what is Fantastic Four's excuse to keep sucking? At least this movie will shut the fanboys that say that everything Marvel sold should be given back with an apology card.

Never true. I will always want X-Men in the MCU. Hell, I want Stewart and McKellen to just be moved over to MCU.

I want Wolverine in The Avengers, I want Black Panther and Storm to get together, I want Spider-Man and Deadpool to mock eachother, etc.

I want the actual Civil War plotline.

Igor-Rowan:
It does not belong to Marvel, yet still was a great movie, what is Fantastic Four's excuse to keep sucking? At least this movie will shut the fanboys that say that everything Marvel sold should be given back with an apology card.

Actually, people always saw the X-Men movies as "the best thing right after Marvels own stuff" because most of the time, they were still good. There were some bad ones and some great ones, too.
Why only them (and Deadpool) work as a movie outside of Marvels own doing is a mystery but maybe it's the same reason it's nowerdays almost impossible to create a good DC Movie that is not based on solely on Batman.

Saelune:

I want the actual Civil War plotline.

I want you to think really hard about what you just said.

Kenbo Slice:

Saelune:

I want the actual Civil War plotline.

I want you to think really hard about what you just said.

I want you to elaborate.

Saelune:

Kenbo Slice:

Saelune:

I want the actual Civil War plotline.

I want you to think really hard about what you just said.

I want you to elaborate.

The comic was trash? Characters acting out of character. Blatantly making it obvious that Captain America was right and Iron Man was wrong, as opposed to the movie which did a better (however, still not perfect) job of not making Iron Man the villain.

Kenbo Slice:

Saelune:

Kenbo Slice:

I want you to think really hard about what you just said.

I want you to elaborate.

The comic was trash? Characters acting out of character. Blatantly making it obvious that Captain America was right and Iron Man was wrong, as opposed to the movie which did a better (however, still not perfect) job of not making Iron Man the villain.

Iron Man shouldnt have been a villain then.

Saelune:

Kenbo Slice:

Saelune:
I want you to elaborate.

The comic was trash? Characters acting out of character. Blatantly making it obvious that Captain America was right and Iron Man was wrong, as opposed to the movie which did a better (however, still not perfect) job of not making Iron Man the villain.

Iron Man shouldnt have been a villain then.

Yeah, he shouldn't have been. Because that was way out of character in the comics and made no sense. Also Reed Richards acted out of character too.

I would much rather follow the characters in this movie than the current X-men Fox universe we have, both because X23 is awesome and Apocalypse was meh-riffic.

The title doesn't quite work for me. I liked Batman Begins better than The Dark Knight. I finished rewatching the Nolan trilogy a few hours ago and think Begins is still the best Batman movie. The Dark Knight is overrated.

Ezekiel:
The title doesn't quite work for me. I liked Batman Begins better than The Dark Knight. I finished rewatching the Nolan trilogy a few hours ago and think Begins is still the best Batman movie. The Dark Knight is overrated.

I think the comparison is apt. I know Marter meant in more of a "Logan is the best X-men movie, like TDK which is the best Batman movie" kind of way, but there is a clear similarity between the two. Logan is a great movie, but it's barely an X-men movie (not that I care, I think the idea of the X-men is obsolete). If anything, Logan is so good because it is so different from a normal comic book movie, it intentionally distances itself from the comics.

The Dark Knight is similar, we got a different look at Batman, one somewhat grounded in reality. After years of Burton-esque wacky shit, it was such a refreshing take on the character. Begins on the other hand isn't afraid to deal with out of this world comic book concepts. In that way, it is the most Batman-y Batman movie. Just like how Days of Future Past is the most X-men-y X-men movie.

TLDR Both Logan and TDK are so highly regarded because besides just being good movies in general, they bucked the trend and and gave new takes on the characters (which happen to both be "gritty and realistic").

Saw the movie yesterday and really didn't like it. Something about the whole thing simply did not work for me. My friends said the same thing, though I'm not yet able to put my finger on as to why. I got pretty much what I expected, but was mostly untouched by what was happening and almost fell asleep when Logan and the girl arrived at the thing near the end.

I guess I was already out in the very first scene when Logan's first word is "fuck" and he starts his berserker mode.

Bindal:
Actually, people always saw the X-Men movies as "the best thing right after Marvels own stuff"

Always? X-Men had three films in the series before Marvel even started making their own films; as a franchise it's twice as old as the Marvel Cinematic Universe. People seem to forget, but the X-Men films are the main reason superhero films are popular at all - before they showed how it could be done all we had were the increasingly silly Batman films and a memory of when Superman had a couple of good films a couple of decades earlier. Then X-Men came along and everyone wanted to join in; having had no superhero films to speak of we suddenly we had Fantastic Four, Hulk, Superman Returns, Batman Begins, and finally the MCU joined in later. X-Men weren't just "the best ones after Marvel", they were the ones who started the whole thing and for quite a while were really the only team in town.

Igor-Rowan:
It does not belong to Marvel, yet still was a great movie, what is Fantastic Four's excuse to keep sucking? At least this movie will shut the fanboys that say that everything Marvel sold should be given back with an apology card.

Actually Hugh Jackman said that he'd continue to play Wolverine if he was to be included in the MCU. so that should be reason enough. So while hopefully Fox has figured out how to make a good superhero movie finally, I'd still love to see the X-Men alongside The Avengers.

https://moviepilot.com/p/hugh-jackman-keep-playing-wolverine-in-mcu-marvel/4213489

Kahani:

Bindal:
Actually, people always saw the X-Men movies as "the best thing right after Marvels own stuff"

Always? X-Men had three films in the series before Marvel even started making their own films; as a franchise it's twice as old as the Marvel Cinematic Universe. People seem to forget, but the X-Men films are the main reason superhero films are popular at all - before they showed how it could be done all we had were the increasingly silly Batman films and a memory of when Superman had a couple of good films a couple of decades earlier. Then X-Men came along and everyone wanted to join in; having had no superhero films to speak of we suddenly we had Fantastic Four, Hulk, Superman Returns, Batman Begins, and finally the MCU joined in later. X-Men weren't just "the best ones after Marvel", they were the ones who started the whole thing and for quite a while were really the only team in town.

What do you mean X-Men was the only game in town? It had one movie before Spider-Man came out in 2002 and was already a work in progress before X-Men came out. Additionally it was the only movie to ever knock a Star Wars Movie off the top spot in the domestic box office. I'd attribute the genre being so popular due to that fact alone.

Caramel Frappe:
Went to see Logan and holy crap ... what a ride. Not in the excitement / action-y sense but the emotional side of life was very present in this film. Everything was incredible, and the character interactions were very personal but realistic in my eyes.

Loved it. An easy 8.5 / 10 and got me to tear up ... a superhero movie got me emotional. Easily my top 10 favorite movies now.

I agree completely. It was a very subdued and emotional movie which I really enjoyed. Marter says

It's not looking for easy entertainment - and, in fact, might not even be that "entertaining" in the traditional sense. It's an emotional ride, one that isn't a lot of fun - but that's all the more fitting.

And that pretty much sums up my opinion on it. It's a slow burn with nuggets of really intense and violent action. The story and the characters call for this and it's wonderful even if it's not 100% riveting the entire way through.

So the last X-men movie i watched was X-men first class. Do I need to watch any other X-men movie or can i jump in to this no problem?

I don't think every movie HAS to make a political statement to be good, so I don't see why Marter was bothered by this movie not making it more obvious.

Drejer43:
So the last X-men movie i watched was X-men first class. Do I need to watch any other X-men movie or can i jump in to this no problem?

Not necessarily, but this one's directed by the same guy as The Wolverine (which is also good), and picks up a few things from Days of Future Past and Apocalypse, along with a few other call-backs to older X-Men movies.

Logan - X-Men's Dark Knight

Overrated, pretentious and boring?

So, I got back from seeing this in the cinemas. It's the best X-Men film I've seen, but that's a pretty low bar, and I haven't seen that many either. I also wouldn't call it "X-Men's Dark Knight" - oh, sure, it does have analogies to issues such as refugees, mechanization, 'future soldiers', and international boundaries, but that's just it - analogies. Granted, The Dark Knight was analogy as well, but a far more satisfying one.

Still, like I said, Logan is "good" on its own merits, certainly better than anything the MCU has produced, and certainly the type of movie the MCU would never produce. I will say that it's Laura/X-23 who steals the show, but Stewart and Jackman are in top form as well.

So, you dun good Fox, ya dun good.

I don't know enough words to praise this film. It's not a super hero movie that is made to be fun and exciting. It's a brutal and tragic drama. It's freakin' fantastic and everyone should see it.

Caramel Frappe:
Went to see Logan and holy crap ... what a ride. Not in the excitement / action-y sense but the emotional side of life was very present in this film. Everything was incredible, and the character interactions were very personal but realistic in my eyes.

Loved it. An easy 8.5 / 10 and got me to tear up ... a superhero movie got me emotional. Easily my top 10 favorite movies now.

Agreed. I'd honestly consider it to be more of a character drama with bursts of intense violence peppered throughout.

I actually enjoyed it, and I have no real investment in the X-men franchise. Never did, even as a kid.
I liked this a lot though.

Saelune:
Iron Man shouldnt have been a villain then.

Kenbo Slice:
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He really was not. The movie was a bit complex and fun though there was plenty wrong... (still bought the 3D bluray. Better with pizza and beer) I liked one review that stated if you came out of it thinking you had concluded who was wrong... you were the one that was wrong.

I can sympathize with Xavier, but at one point, he could have killed all humanity with a thought (Xmen 2 and maybe the spectacular "Legion" series). That OK to un government monitor? But do we license people to simply live with their biological features? Not easy to answer.

On topic: I see Logan tomorrow with a buddy (at a theater so Pizza and Beer have to wait till after. We see it at 9:30 AM) Loved Movie Bob's take on it: he hates Jackman's take on the character and loves the swan song! He's so confused by that! I like Jackman's Logan. Mixed bag initially for visual reasons. I see the character as Charles Bronson not pretty. Young Jackman? Pretty. Now? Grizzled enough for me to buy him.

EDIT: Saw it, really liked it a lot.

Gorfias:

Saelune:
Iron Man shouldnt have been a villain then.

Kenbo Slice:
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He really was not. The movie was a bit complex and fun though there was plenty wrong... (still bought the 3D bluray. Better with pizza and beer) I liked one review that stated if you came out of it thinking you had concluded who was wrong... you were the one that was wrong.

I can sympathize with Xavier, but at one point, he could have killed all humanity with a thought (Xmen 2 and maybe the spectacular "Legion" series). That OK to un government monitor? But do we license people to simply live with their biological features? Not easy to answer.

On topic: I see Logan tomorrow with a buddy (at a theater so Pizza and Beer have to wait till after. We see it at 9:30 AM) Loved Movie Bob's take on it: he hates Jackman's take on the character and loves the swan song! He's so confused by that! I like Jackman's Logan. Mixed bag initially for visual reasons. I see the character as Charles Bronson not pretty. Young Jackman? Pretty. Now? Grizzled enough for me to buy him.

EDIT: Saw it, really liked it a lot.

Sacking Movebob was the best move The Escapist ever made. That guy has issues, and towards the end they overcame his ability to sometimes be entertaining and on-point.

Anyway, I enjoyed the movie, too. It was depressing, sure, but hope was the theme, reinforced very nicely by the third act. If I have any serious criticism of the move, it's the shallow political commentary.

90sgamer:

Anyway, I enjoyed the movie, too. It was depressing, sure, but hope was the theme, reinforced very nicely by the third act. If I have any serious criticism of the move, it's the shallow political commentary.

Wonder if it is still too soon to not have to use spoiler warning! Ah me. For now,

RealRT:

Logan - X-Men's Dark Knight

Overrated, pretentious and boring?

Yes, except it's actually overrated, pretentious and boring.

 

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