Zero Punctuation: Mass Effect Andromeda

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Mass Effect Andromeda

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Mass Effect Andromeda.

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So was I just not paying attention when autistic started to mean retarded or have people always been using it like that?

I think I'm happy enough with NieR:Automata.

An entertaining and informative video as always, but I feel like a certain point was missed, from the beginning of the video I get the impression that this takes place after ME3, and while it certainly does, as traveling to Andromeda is a slow matter, the journey itself was supposedly initiated before the entire Reaper crisis. That fact being misrepresented detracts a fair bit from the video, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Its legit tragic how shit this game is

And now you understand why continuing a franchise directly isn't always a good idea.

Strange though. It should have been easy for them to figure whatv to continue off of based on I dunno, checking for a save file. And in the absence give the player a choice to pick.

As for the absence of Paragon and renegad...wtf

Thanks for the video post! Lots of fodder to poke at with this game. I saw one of posts where they downgraded the FemRyder even further after the patch update which makes me wonder exactly what direction they are trying to drive their character development.

It will also be interesting to see how much and how well their patches address several of the player posted issues. I like the whole new frontier aspect and developing settlements. It will be interesting to see if the devs enhance it further or skip the already completed settlements and opt for other nearby planets.

shinyelf:
An entertaining and informative video as always, but I feel like a certain point was missed, from the beginning of the video I get the impression that this takes place after ME3, and while it certainly does, as traveling to Andromeda is a slow matter, the journey itself was supposedly initiated before the entire Reaper crisis. That fact being misrepresented detracts a fair bit from the video, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, he's wrong about that, but since ME:A pretty much avoids the ending to ME3 entirely it really doesn't matter either way. Since you never find out the "Cannonical" ending, I guess you're supposed to presume everything worked out fine.

Anyway, I get the feeling he didn't like it.

emanresu2:
I think I'm happy enough with NieR:Automata.

Same here, and Gravity Rush 2.

That was a fun review, gets me all smiling.

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Johnny Novgorod:
That was a fun review, gets me all smiling.

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Will you ever get bored of posting that picture?

Dornedas:

Johnny Novgorod:
That was a fun review, gets me all smiling.

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Will you ever get bored of posting that picture?

I mean look at it. No.
I'll stop posting if Bioware sends me a cease and desist though.

Dalisclock:

shinyelf:
An entertaining and informative video as always, but I feel like a certain point was missed, from the beginning of the video I get the impression that this takes place after ME3, and while it certainly does, as traveling to Andromeda is a slow matter, the journey itself was supposedly initiated before the entire Reaper crisis. That fact being misrepresented detracts a fair bit from the video, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, he's wrong about that, but since ME:A pretty much avoids the ending to ME3 entirely it really doesn't matter either way. Since you never find out the "Cannonical" ending, I guess you're supposed to presume everything worked out fine.

Anyway, I get the feeling he didn't like it.

Be that as it may, I'd say it misrepresents Bioware, makes it seem as if the choices we made in ME3 is entirely ignored. I don't really mind criticising the game based on actual flaws, of which there are more than a fair amount, but we really shouldn't conjure up imaginary flaws just for the heck of it.

Besides it feels like the game is getting an unjustifiably great amount of hate, I've played about 35 hours, and beside the occasional crash, some annoying unskippable scenes, the strange faces, and Cora Harper I don't have any complaints.

I've come to the conclusion that MEA is actually a fantastic thing. The game's many flaws and the drama surrounding it has provided far more entertainment than the game itself would had is not been such a cock up. MEA may fall by the wayside, but we'll always treasure the memes it gave us.

my experience with the game so far is that bioware have managed to create a direct to dvd game thats jumping up and down screaming im AAA pay attention to me

If Elon Musk wants to make any video game's future happen, it's most likely going to be Deus Ex. He's launching something called Neuralink, to connect human brains to computers.

Worgen:
So was I just not paying attention when autistic started to mean retarded or have people always been using it like that?

That's a fair question; that bit in the video made me go "Wait, what?"

Johnny Novgorod:
That was a fun review, gets me all smiling.

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Regarding that.

I feel as if the Bioware fans are looking at the previous 3 games through rose-tinted goggles.

ME:A doesn't look any worse, nor any better than any of the other ME games, and the voice acting isn't a dip in quality either.

MrFalconfly:

Johnny Novgorod:
That was a fun review, gets me all smiling.

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Regarding that.

I feel as if the Bioware fans are looking at the previous 3 games through rose-tinted goggles.

ME:A doesn't look any worse, nor any better than any of the other ME games, and the voice acting isn't a dip in quality either.

Dunno, I feel the faces/heads were a bit better in 2 and 3, at least as a whole. both Anderson and Hackett looked amazing, while most of the characters in Andromeda look rather plain, not really sure I'd be able to tell an important non-crew NPC from pretty much any other non-crew NPC.

Darth_Payn:
If Elon Musk wants to make any video game's future happen, it's most likely going to be Deus Ex. He's launching something called Neuralink, to connect human brains to computers.

Worgen:
So was I just not paying attention when autistic started to mean retarded or have people always been using it like that?

That's a fair question; that bit in the video made me go "Wait, what?"

Pretty sure people have been using it that way for a while. Though of course that doesn't make it any less confusing as to how it fits or why.

shinyelf:

MrFalconfly:

Johnny Novgorod:
That was a fun review, gets me all smiling.

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Regarding that.

I feel as if the Bioware fans are looking at the previous 3 games through rose-tinted goggles.

ME:A doesn't look any worse, nor any better than any of the other ME games, and the voice acting isn't a dip in quality either.

Dunno, I feel the faces/heads were a bit better in 2 and 3, at least as a whole. both Anderson and Hackett looked amazing, while most of the characters in Andromeda look rather plain, not really sure I'd be able to tell an important non-crew NPC from pretty much any other non-crew NPC.

I don't.

The facial animations in the entire ME trilogy was just as wooden as it is said to be in ME:A. Eyes vacant, and face as stiff as plastic.

like this one from ME:3
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And I've yet to see any characters in ME:A (including the much commented about, Director Addison) whose voice acting was as wooden, and phoned in, as Alistair's from DA:O.

MrFalconfly:
I don't.

The facial animations in the entire ME trilogy was just as wooden as it is said to be in ME:A. Eyes vacant, and face as stiff as plastic.

like this one from ME:3
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And I've yet to see any characters in ME:A (including the much commented about, Director Addison) whose voice acting was as wooden, and phoned in, as Alistair's from DA:O.

I don't know, while the expressions weren't all that good the faces themselves seemed more realistic and better proportioned, Andromeda seems to have a whole lot of vertically compressed heads. Disregarding the heads themselves even the Shepard smile is better than the smile you posted from Andromeda, I don't actually believe human lips can stretch like they do in the Andromeda screenshot.

shinyelf:

MrFalconfly:
I don't.

The facial animations in the entire ME trilogy was just as wooden as it is said to be in ME:A. Eyes vacant, and face as stiff as plastic.

like this one from ME:3
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And I've yet to see any characters in ME:A (including the much commented about, Director Addison) whose voice acting was as wooden, and phoned in, as Alistair's from DA:O.

I don't know, while the expressions weren't all that good the faces themselves seemed more realistic and better proportioned, Andromeda seems to have a whole lot of vertically compressed heads. Disregarding the heads themselves even the Shepard smile is better than the smile you posted from Andromeda, I don't actually believe human lips can stretch like they do in the Andromeda screenshot.

I can only say I disagree.

Also, the pic of Ryder wasn't mine. That was Johnny Novgorod

As for her lips stretching. I can do that. I look stupid as hell doing it, but I can do it.

MrFalconfly:

I can only say I disagree.

Also, the pic of Ryder wasn't mine. That was Johnny Novgorod

As for her lips stretching. I can do that. I look stupid as hell doing it, but I can do it.

My bad on the poster. But yeah, we probably won't agree on this one, but that aside, it doesn't make the game unplayable, or anywhere near as bad as a large part of the internet seems to think.

shinyelf:

MrFalconfly:

I can only say I disagree.

Also, the pic of Ryder wasn't mine. That was Johnny Novgorod

As for her lips stretching. I can do that. I look stupid as hell doing it, but I can do it.

My bad on the poster. But yeah, we probably won't agree on this one, but that aside, it doesn't make the game unplayable, or anywhere near as bad as a large part of the internet seems to think.

Not at all.

I just find it funny that so many seem to think ME:A looks so ugly, and then seem to be blind to the exact same things in the previous games.

shinyelf:

MrFalconfly:

I can only say I disagree.

Also, the pic of Ryder wasn't mine. That was Johnny Novgorod

As for her lips stretching. I can do that. I look stupid as hell doing it, but I can do it.

My bad on the poster. But yeah, we probably won't agree on this one, but that aside, it doesn't make the game unplayable, or anywhere near as bad as a large part of the internet seems to think.

That's a matter of perspective isn't it? If someone cares mostly about the shooting+powers gameplay then it probably doesn't make it unplayable or affect it much at all. But some people pay for a game like this with the expectation it will immerse them, and it's really, really hard to stay in that immersion bubble when the uncanny valley keeps rearing its head and/or the animations keep glitching out.

MrFalconfly:

Regarding that.

I feel as if the Bioware fans are looking at the previous 3 games through rose-tinted goggles.

ME:A doesn't look any worse, nor any better than any of the other ME games, and the voice acting isn't a dip in quality either.

I have this exact opinion, and will very much like the game when I get it. The last three games weren't exactly the pinnacle of buggy perfection and yet everyone is just shitting all over Bioware.

To quote myself, yet again;

I've been watching a No Commentary playthrough of it, and I feel that a lot of the complaints people have are kind of petty. Awkward dialog? Who cares. Overlarge UI? I don't think so. Some characters don't blink sometimes? Holy shit.

Every point of complaint I've seen on early access reviewers seem like things I'll just get used to in time. Yes, human animation is a little wonky. I'll agree with that but it's hardly a major dealbreaker as far as I'm concerned. I also think the autoswitching of quest focus is a bit irritating but that's one of the easiest kinds of things they can just patch up.

Beyond that, it looks like they went back do its roots. A lot more running around that the first game in 2007 had, except these days it flows better.

I understand the cautious optimism people have but I think it's going to be fine. Gamers are just, as a whole, entitled little shits who are overstimulated so any flaws a triple A game has they're ready to pounce on and tear apart. It's just silly.

MoltenSilver:

shinyelf:

MrFalconfly:

I can only say I disagree.

Also, the pic of Ryder wasn't mine. That was Johnny Novgorod

As for her lips stretching. I can do that. I look stupid as hell doing it, but I can do it.

My bad on the poster. But yeah, we probably won't agree on this one, but that aside, it doesn't make the game unplayable, or anywhere near as bad as a large part of the internet seems to think.

That's a matter of perspective isn't it? If someone cares mostly about the shooting+powers gameplay then it probably doesn't make it unplayable or affect it much at all. But some people pay for a game like this with the expectation it will immerse them, and it's really, really hard to stay in that immersion bubble when the uncanny valley keeps rearing its head and/or the animations keep glitching out.

Thing is, if the uncanny valley in ME:A is so bad that "those people" find it unplayable, they WOULDN'T have played any other Bioware game either.

It's the exact same dead-eyed, plastic-faced, goofy looking dipshits your looking at in ME:A as it was in ME 1, ME 2 ME 3, DA:O, DA2 and DA:I.

Granted, some of the detractors may actually be consistent and feel the same with the rest of Biowares games, but if you're coming from the previous ME trilogy, and now start complaining about the facial animations of all things, you aren't being internally consistent.

MrFalconfly:
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It's the exact same dead-eyed, plastic-faced, goofy looking dipshits your looking at in ME:A as it was in ME 1, ME 2 ME 3, DA:O, DA2 and DA:I.

Granted, some of the detractors may actually be consistent and feel the same with the rest of Biowares games, but if you're coming from the previous ME trilogy, and now start complaining about the facial animations of all things, you aren't being internally consistent.

The issues with the game aren't the uncanny valley. Even if it's worse han previous ME because of "uninspired" artistic direction and rushed QA.

ME: A is a downgrade in every strong points of ME: characters, activities, story, RPG, direction, immersion, sci-fi themes.

ME was never about realistic visuals. It was about a galaxy with diverse creatures who had to cooperate to face an incredible threat, and you happened to be at the center of it.

This ME is a scooby gang with no drive or legitimacy, lost in cardboard mockups. A very very bad fanfiction of what a sci-fi/space opera setting should be.
It's a watered down, 10 years older than 10 years old stuff. Only the jetpack, and the nomad, are salvageable.
Well, ok, female ryder is quite of endering. But only if you consider her as a hemiplegic sociopath trying to fit in while being terrible at it. I highly doubt she was written that way, despite bioware claims about "inclusion of diversity".

Well, I might as well chime in with my thoughts on the game, since I did sink 46 hours into it...

Now this is entirely subjective, so you may disagree if you wish. Also, I AM a Mass Effect-fan, so take that into account...

Overall, I enjoyed my time with Mass Effect: Andromeda... but I can definitely see why some people don't enjoy it or even outright hate it. It's a Mass Effect-game, warts and all, which means of course it's going to have wooden animations and blank expressions, so that doesn't bother me, and I did like having a new Bioware-game to play, but at the same time Mass Effect hasn't changed significantly enough in 5 years to make me feel like the wait was neccessarily worth it. I also can't say how well this works as a start for new players, seeing as I've played all the other games twice each, and if you don't like Mass Effect this game is not going to turn you over.

If you like Mass Effect, check it out. If not, skip. If you're on the fence, wait until the price drops a bit if you decide to give it a chance.

mtarzaim02:
ME: A is a downgrade in every strong points of ME: characters, activities, story, RPG, direction, immersion, sci-fi themes.

I've not played it yet as I'll only buy it after one or two major patches, but c'mon, every one of those is entirely subjective, with immersion being perhaps the winner of the Most Subjective award in that group. An identical game can have wholly different levels of immmrrrrsion for different people, be it some primary hued Nintendo game or S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

This ME is a scooby gang with no drive or legitimacy, lost in cardboard mockups. A very very bad fanfiction of what a sci-fi/space opera setting should be.

"Should be"? My subjectivity alarm's going off again...

Dragon Age II got a right kicking, and I adored that game, so the more I hear about ME:A's crimes-against-gaming, the more I think I might really enjoy it...

Either way, cracking vid by Yahtzee, even if I pretty much disagree with almost every point he made about BioWare, because I always seem to entirely disagree with him about BioWare games (DAII being a prime example).

Personally, I'm enjoying it. Not as much as the other Mass Effect games (and ME2 is still my favorite), but I'm having fun, which is really all I'm in this gig for anyway.

I see very little reason to play this game and plenty of reasons not to, and that's putting aside the fact that it has EA's name attached to it.

I didn't see the review yet, but looking at the title made me cringe. I will never forgive the developers for screwing this game up.

shinyelf:
An entertaining and informative video as always, but I feel like a certain point was missed, from the beginning of the video I get the impression that this takes place after ME3, and while it certainly does, as traveling to Andromeda is a slow matter, the journey itself was supposedly initiated before the entire Reaper crisis. That fact being misrepresented detracts a fair bit from the video, at least as far as I'm concerned.

The events of ME:A do take place chronologically after ME3, thanks to the 600+ years it takes to get to Andromeda (it is a journey of two million-plus light years, after all), it's stated clearly that the expedition left in 2185, which is the year before the Reaper War started.

Zydrate:

MrFalconfly:

Regarding that.

I feel as if the Bioware fans are looking at the previous 3 games through rose-tinted goggles.

ME:A doesn't look any worse, nor any better than any of the other ME games, and the voice acting isn't a dip in quality either.

I have this exact opinion, and will very much like the game when I get it. The last three games weren't exactly the pinnacle of buggy perfection and yet everyone is just shitting all over Bioware.

To quote myself, yet again;

I've been watching a No Commentary playthrough of it, and I feel that a lot of the complaints people have are kind of petty. Awkward dialog? Who cares. Overlarge UI? I don't think so. Some characters don't blink sometimes? Holy shit.

Every point of complaint I've seen on early access reviewers seem like things I'll just get used to in time. Yes, human animation is a little wonky. I'll agree with that but it's hardly a major dealbreaker as far as I'm concerned. I also think the autoswitching of quest focus is a bit irritating but that's one of the easiest kinds of things they can just patch up.

Beyond that, it looks like they went back do its roots. A lot more running around that the first game in 2007 had, except these days it flows better.

I understand the cautious optimism people have but I think it's going to be fine. Gamers are just, as a whole, entitled little shits who are overstimulated so any flaws a triple A game has they're ready to pounce on and tear apart. It's just silly.

Even if that is the case, it's been ten freaking years, and a new console generation! It's not exactly "entitled" to expect freaking improvements at this point!

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