The Big Lie of Brandon Crisp

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This is the actual show...
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2008-2009/top_gun/video.html
...now register your disgust, people. ;-)

This show was entirely about demonizing video games and had nothing to do about Brandon Crisp. I hope Brandon's parents are not too offended by the Fifth Estate's obvious agenda. This is one of the reasons why I haven't watched TV in over 5 years.

The fifth estate was one of the few decent expose-style news shows on TV, and then they had to fuck with videogames. No news group (North American at least) has ever, EVER made a pro-gaming article. They all seem to jump on the anti-gamer bandwagon like every man and his FOX.

Nowadays, if the name Brandon Crisp is mentioned, you can be sure a shitstorm of half-baked anti-gamer arguments is on its way. Which is a shame cause, from what I can tell, Brandon was a good kid. It's a real shame that anti-gamers decided to try to capitalize on his death. Fucking bastards.

I don't know what the CBC's website policy is for commenting on shows, but the "discussion" is now closed on the Top Gun episode. Don't let that stop you from emailing them though. ;-)

I am personally privy to the fact that the CBC is completely full of stupidity,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie_Giant#Controversies

I'm James G. Gardiner's Great Grandson, my Grand Mother being his last surviving daughter. She doesn't really care about a CBC special one way or another, but there was alot of buzz about this when it went down.

The point is that The CBC is a sensationalist outlet that rarely checks its facts.

This case is no different.

Wow. This is by far my favorite article on The Escapist. If it wan't real it would be hilarious.

I know that this is just a cycle, like how comic books and Elvis were demonized when they were new to the scene, but this "award-winning" news program doesn't help their credibility by pandering like this. And like Andy suggested, watching the show got me riled up enough that I sent a message to the program. ( http://www.xfire.com/blog/laserwulf/ if anyone's curious.)

Haven't watched it yet, and not sure I will... sounds like I'll end up being a little ashamed of my home and native land.

Funny, you don't get this kind of bullshit attitude towards gaming here in the Czech Republic. Well, at least not yet - we're a bit behind the curve when it comes to entertainment, interactive media, and touchy matters like this.

Besides, who needs video games when you've got hooliganism and, at the opposite end of the spectrum (though just as stupid), pseudo-anarchism?

Something worries me here in that we all might be falling for some Machiavellian ruse. Let's face it, if someone condemns lorry drivers for allegedly killing prostitutes, then there's lots of angry letters.
If someone accuses videogames though? Hordes and hordes of angry slathering...stereotypes. Let's face it, for every one of us normal looking people, there's at least two "Comic Shop Guy"s out there who just help to boost the shows ratings.

The interesting thing would be to have said TV company contact a Mr. Obama about his Wii.

I keep waiting for these sorts of articles to go away now that video games have been around for a few generations, and have become more or less mainstream (even the so-called hard core ones these news people are so fond of criticizing.) When is the media going to wake up and realize that not only is this stuff mostly harmless, it's a large part of our culture now?

So...Video games are responsible for him falling out of a tree? Say What?

How much you wanna bet the last thing his parents said to him was "Go play outside like we did when we were kids!"?

Not just in games, but our culture as a whole, the notion has spread that the people who should be looking out for children includes everyone EXCEPT their parents. When the child does wrong or seems odd, the parents had nothing to do with that development, and why wasn't someone essentially doing their work for them? But if the child should excel, who's the first people looking for high fives when they had absolutely nothing to do with the field the kid's doing so well in?

Though I know it won't happen as businesses like TV producing companies must preach to their choir constantly or they may get bored and walk away, it's time to start holding People and not Items or Concepts as responsible for stunted development.

Billy's doing badly in Science because he's playing video games rather than doing his homework? Maybe he's doing that because you're watching poorly-made TV rather than trying (just TRYING) to help him when he's stuck.

MA7743W:
Well, isn't this just the kind of ignorant crap that removes my faith in humanity.

Did you watch the programme?

To quote Bill Hicks : "One more retard dead? How am I going to sleep through the night". If he was such a bright kid as his friends claimed, he would have known to make the difference between what's really important and what is not.

laserwulf:
I know that this is just a cycle, like how comic books and Elvis were demonized when they were new to the scene...

Yes, I'm definitely seeing parallels with the demonisation of Dungeons & Dragons that happened during the late 70's and early 80's. I'm just hoping that as soon as everyone either plays video games or knows someone who does who isn't an Axe Crazy type then it'll all pass.

It looks like video games may have to go through their own version of Pat Pulling.
http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

SharPhoe:
This... this is just... Ugh.

I think I'm gonna have an aneurysm from too much STUPID.

I see what you did there.

I wonder when Videogames will transcend its status as "For Kids" in the eyes of the unwashed. You see, the only reason stuff like these happen is because Gaming is labeled as being "For Kids". And when something that is clearly "For Adults" enter that realm, bad shit will happen. It's all a farce, and what's difficult to swallow is that there are not enough people who will be the standard bearers against this type of idiocy.

Pretty terrible stuff.

The CBC actually did a documentary a couple years back called Gamer Revolution.

http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/gamerrevolution.html

Not nearly as overtly negative as this Brandon Crisp garbage, although there are a few subtle jabs (LAN parties portrayed as endless rows of computers, people hunched over screens, nobody talking to each other in the dark, etc.). It was rather insulting, now that I think about it, but was probably the closest thing to an even-handed perspective as I've ever seen on TV. That's sad.

Screen media hates video games, because video games steal attention away from them.

As a Canadian, I have to say it's really disappointing to see some of my tax dollars go to drivel like this. Yeah, the CBC gets money from the government to this bullshite.

Echolocating:
This is the actual show...
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2008-2009/top_gun/video.html
...now register your disgust, people. ;-)

"This discussion is now closed"

Lol.

Weener:
Great article, but I wish you would've mentioned the fact that the CBC is canadas publicly funded TV channel, and it is us Canadian taxpayers who are literally paying for this garbage. It is also well known that the CBC panders to the government of the moment (currently the conservatives) to ensure more funding, which could explain the bias in this "news" story. Personally, I think we should outlaw trees :P

That is utter nonsense. The CBC does not pander to the ruling government. It is as red liberal as humanly possible, because it knows that any conservative party that tries to cut its budget or impose any sense of quality control (which it badly needs - now that Air Farce is off the air and TSN has the rights to CFL games, the only things worth watching on the whole network are "This Hour" and "Hockey Night in Canada") will be demonized as "attacking Canadian culture" by the yuppies in Toronto and the granola eaters in Vancouver, as though all distinctively Canadian culture will instantly disappear the second anyone tries to impose standards (or for that matter even the slightest bit of objectivity) on the network.

You want Canadian content that also contains some quality? Watch TSN and CTV.

Wow I live an hour from his home town. It is a shit storm right now. Danm this is goig to be bad for Canadian and American gamers.

Edit: I have seen the fifth estate (Canadian show) it may help calm things if we could get a spot on it.

PumpItUp:
The fifth estate was one of the few decent expose-style news shows on TV, and then they had to fuck with videogames. No news group (North American at least) has ever, EVER made a pro-gaming article. They all seem to jump on the anti-gamer bandwagon like every man and his FOX.

Nowadays, if the name Brandon Crisp is mentioned, you can be sure a shitstorm of half-baked anti-gamer arguments is on its way. Which is a shame cause, from what I can tell, Brandon was a good kid. It's a real shame that anti-gamers decided to try to capitalize on his death. Fucking bastards.

well when my parents split I turned to games for comfort, so what I say is there must be something going on in his life to make him game so much, not just because video games are evil he could have been abused or bullied. (During my parents divorce when I was 6 I must have put 200 hours in pokemon gold)

the cbc is paid for by the canadian gov which is bad enough but when they don't show both sides of the story that is wrong they have a habit of this , as for the crisp family the loss of there son is sad but he should not have been playing cod in the first place and to blame the game industry is just ignorance

Lol

CBC correspondent
Pro gaming team

'You know that kids under 17 play M games'
'Yeah but they are getting to it through parents'
'They are probably just going to these tournaments'
'There's a required parental consent form for players under 16'
(cut to next footage)
(voice over)'However those kids can easily play those games online'

Circular logic FTW!

... Why has Natural Selection failed us?

This kind of garbage almost isn't even worth combating anymore.
"MY GOD MAN. We're going to blow the doors wide open on this INTERWEB MURDER-SIMULATOR GAMING BULL-SHIT! These kids will know the wrath of RESPONSIBILITY."
There's no rational way to respond to that. You might as well beat your head against a brick wall for all the effect writing letters to these idiots would have.

"It wasn't easy but I watched the entire show and you should, too. Not because there's an ounce of journalistic value to it but because this sort of damaging nonsense is being fed to a viewing public that in many cases will swallow it whole unless other people take the initiative to counter the half-truths and misleading statements with facts."

Some people are stupid. The people who made that show aren't, but they know that other people who are will watch the show. Writing to them to tell them that we also know that stupid people will watch their show is like telling a weather reporter that rain comes from clouds. People aren't stupid because of the show; on the contrary, the show exists because stupid people exist. In a world full of unstupid people, no such show would ever be made (because it would have no audience).

As a wise man once said: you can't fix stupid. I'm not going to try.

I'm glad I watched the entire show (quick linky in case no one else posted it: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2008-2009/top_gun/video.html). It makes my bitching about how fucked up the media is feel grounded with evidence, rather than speculation.

By the end of it all, the programme finally gets out and says it: gaming isn't a 'real sport' like hockey supposedly is. If the kid had run away over his parents banning him from hockey practice when he was just a bit away from achieving some prominence, I bet the spin on the story would be entirely opposite; namely: 'what the fuck is wrong with these parents, who don't care to support their child's interest and are ashamed of him for being so good at it?' That's what it all boils down to - a tragic incident for this family, who understand they did something wrong, but completely miss the point of what they did wrong: they didn't get involved with their kid, they discounted his gaming interests as rubbish, and they didn't allow their own views to be moulded by their kid. Their regret was in giving their kid a gaming system instead of making him do 'real world important stuff' like hockey (freakin' hockey makes the world go round, of course >_<). They still believe that they were morally right. I wish I couldn't believe that, but I have to.

It's quite pathetic really. Not only because it demonizes videogames (plenty more room on that bandwagon!) but because so much attention has been drawn to this case. The documentary painted Brandon almost like a person falling into a downward spiral from a drug addiction and just for that they should be fucking ashamed of themselves. Had it been the flipside and he was over-enthusiastic about hockey I doubt this story would have got out. In fact I doubt anyone would give a shit, which isn't to be deliberately callous but it's true isn't it?

Nothing will ever reach people in the news unless there's a way to get ratings out of it. That means manipulating it in any way possible. To use this story in this way is absolutely despicable and suggesting that a 15 year old could be so... possessed, by a videogame is insulting. To the rest of us gamers but his memory especially. Do you think he would've wanted to be remembered as the-boy-who-fell-out-of-a-tree-over-videogame-row, rather than (to paraphrase) a boy who 'wanted to be the best at everything he tried'? No, yet this story is doing just that. All this was, was a case of over-ambitiousness gone ignored and unguided by parents who couldn't see any future in it but could've done in time. It's just tragic that the outcome happened to be this. That's right, this was a tragic accident, with very little, if nothing, to do with videogames.

This demonization of videogames has to stop. It gives gamers as a whole a bad name and to the people directly affected it's very condescending to suggest people lose rational thought while playing them. Why not report something truthful for once? (Stop laughing...)

you know i had just posted about that on my website when it showed up in the edmonton sun, thanks for the link to the video so i can show everyone who is intrested in video gaming =) btw check out my site tehlanparty.com, im trying to make a site that makes it easy for essentially anyone to get into gaming

Well, I left a reply with them... I don't know if it'll stop them outright lying about video games, but I can hope.

Also, just because a boy gets angry at his parents over a console and falls out of a tree means it's the console's fault?

Booze Zombie:
Also, just because a boy gets angry at his parents over a console and falls out of a tree means it's the console's fault?

(Not responding in particular to you - this little line just summarizes the whole problem with the TV media quite well :] ) Therein lies the media's dilemma - they can't blame anything else. They can't blame the kid in this case (that would look horrendously insensitive), and they can't blame the parents in this case (that would alienate their audience - recall that it's people like those parents, with very limited exposure to gaming themselves but who have children who are exposed to it, that are most likely to watch this video and agree with it). The media certainly won't blame itself, so what party is left? Videogames, of course.

So even if the media WAS well-aware that videogames are not nearly as large a factor as they presume, I doubt that they would spin the story away from them. It's just too easy to get good ratings by blaming today's rock&roll, Elvis, Socrates, you name it. Videogames currently have that little mainstream media blame spotlight on them, and it's simply another incident of a media station exploiting that for ratings. It's completely ridiculous.

(It reminds me of commercial aircraft accidents and incidents - the leading cause of which is simply failure to properly inspect and maintain the craft, which is the job of the airline (who run the airframe), not the manufacturer (who build it). Even though most failures are the fault of the airline, manufacturers are very reluctant to blame them, as they don't want to lose their business. So the manufacturers themselves typically take the brunt of public disapproval over airframe accidents/incidents. In this case, though, the manufacturer is both journalist and scapegoat, since it's they who are expected to run tests and release notices about the accident/incident. It's a pretty shitty situation, and to be honest, I'm just glad that airframes are so damn well made that they don't constantly fall out of the sky, or explode, or rip in half, or rip in half a different way, or.... (look, if Materials Science has taught me anything, it's that there are lots of ways for things to fail).)

How great it is to see that people in the media have any sense of logic....Oh wait.

Seriously, this is one of the most retarded things i've read all day, lets try and see if their logic works under any circumstance:

I get into an argument with my girlfriend about me using the internet to much, then i go for a drink at the local bar to blow off some steam, and i get hit by a truck in a freak accident, is the internet to blaim?

I get into an argument with my mom about me failing a test at school, then i go for a walk to cool down, but on my way there a gasleak in a nearby building accidently explodes, killing me, is the school to blaim for giving me a test?

Answer to both of these are (obviously): NO

How is it that me, a 19 year old swedish kid with about average IQ can figure out that's complete and utter bullshit yet people who are in their 30's and are educated waaaay above my level cant?

I've watched 15 minutes of it and in no way is it biased or evil or against gaming. It is quite reasonable. I was outraged when I heard everyone calling this boy a stupid kid and how his parents were bad and all that on the initial forum. Am I too sane and intelligent for this forum? Frankly, I think you're all stupid, except the people who aren't anti-everything that suggests gaming could be negative. They bark like dogs in the same way Palin supporters do, chanting "U.S.A." the second she says anything emotional and starts roaring whenever she says "socialism" or "muslim" or whatever. You're all dogs, now quit barking.

Lonan:
I've watched 15 minutes of it and in no way is it biased or evil or against gaming. It is quite reasonable. I was outraged when I heard everyone calling this boy a stupid kid and how his parents were bad and all that on the initial forum. Am I too sane and intelligent for this forum? Frankly, I think you're all stupid, except the people who aren't anti-everything that suggests gaming could be negative. They bark like dogs in the same way Palin supporters do, chanting "U.S.A." the second she says anything emotional and starts roaring whenever she says "socialism" or "muslim" or whatever. You're all dogs, now quit barking.

Is that sarcasm? If so, it's not very good, if not, it's not very good.

A woman saying there's no rating system when there is, is not biased or false?

I believe that the majority of the population is indifferent to the issue and the anti-gaming movement is solely the work of a vocal minority with agendas that have nothing to do with the welfare of children or anyone except themselves. That report was just stupid, children have been arguing with their parents, climbing trees and falling out of them since before the radio was invented.

Booze Zombie:

Lonan:
I've watched 15 minutes of it and in no way is it biased or evil or against gaming. It is quite reasonable. I was outraged when I heard everyone calling this boy a stupid kid and how his parents were bad and all that on the initial forum. Am I too sane and intelligent for this forum? Frankly, I think you're all stupid, except the people who aren't anti-everything that suggests gaming could be negative. They bark like dogs in the same way Palin supporters do, chanting "U.S.A." the second she says anything emotional and starts roaring whenever she says "socialism" or "muslim" or whatever. You're all dogs, now quit barking.

Is that sarcasm? If so, it's not very good, if not, it's not very good.

A woman saying there's no rating system when there is, is not biased or false?

She never said that there wasn't a rating system, she said that there wasn't a huge banner saying "PARENTS: DO NOT BUY THIS GAME FOR YOUR CHILDREN IF THEY ARE UNDER 17" or something to that effect. And there was absolutely no sarcasm in there at all, did you really think I was making fun of the program? How the hell could you think that? It was blatantly for it. How in God's name do you get the idea that this is an evil anti-gaming program? I heard this before when the the minions of this site railed against this boy and his parents and the media when he left home, and somehow thought that he was dumb, and his parents and the media were the anti-game or something. I also heard someone saying his parents shouldn't have been against him for playing more games than sports. With sports, you actually move around and it's good for your body. Do you care about nothing more than games? Also, have you considered the effects of your huge electricity use on the environment?

Lonan:
She never said that there wasn't a rating system, she said that there wasn't a huge banner saying "PARENTS: DO NOT BUY THIS GAME FOR YOUR CHILDREN IF THEY ARE UNDER 17" or something to that effect. And there was absolutely no sarcasm in there at all, did you really think I was making fun of the program? How the hell could you think that? It was blatantly for it. How in God's name do you get the idea that this is an evil anti-gaming program? I heard this before when the the minions of this site railed against this boy and his parents and the media when he left home, and somehow thought that he was dumb, and his parents and the media were the anti-game or something. I also heard someone saying his parents shouldn't have been against him for playing more games than sports. With sports, you actually move around and it's good for your body. Do you care about nothing more than games? Also, have you considered the effects of your huge electricity use on the environment?

There's this thing called choice, I might just make different ones than you.

I think the anti-sports argument has to do with the large amounts of aggression some of us associate with sports.

By the way, I got the impression it was an anti-gaming program from the article this very thread is about.

Have you considered the effects the electricity you're using could have on the environment?

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