Can we bury gamergate yet?

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Ya I get it, your not dead yet. Many people have declared gamergate dead and it has still lumbered on being all gatey. However, I think GG has lost all meaning and has no reason to exist anymore. A simple glance at KIA or the other GG hangouts lets us know they have given up on all their old ideas. They attack games for having the wrong politics (or if they think do), they spread the worst most biased news around, They have become a more conservative version of all they said they hated. The final nails, they barely talk about games now a days. Any role they use to play in gameing is gone now.

OK we are at agreement. GG is dead. If anyone has any last words I say we bury it and bury this forum.

No, even though the phenomenon is no longer as specific to gaming as it used to be.

Why? Because the wrong has not been corrected.

It's the inevitable life cycle of cranks. They never really go away, they just confine themselves to their small tribes and blame everyone else for their unhappiness. We don't need to bury Gamergate. They've already retreated to the caverns beneath the Misty Mountains.

StatusNil:
No, even though the phenomenon is no longer as specific to gaming as it used to be.

Why? Because the wrong has not been corrected.

I am not going to bother asking what the wrong is because at this point I don't think it matters what it is. If they haven't got it done by now then they have no chance. GG has only gone down hill in clout and power.

No-one posted on this subforum for almost three weeks before you made this thread, so yeah, it's dead.

Long as the media keeps "game-dropping"(citing GamerGate for various things), no, it will never truly die.

It was dead until you made this thread

Thanks

Most moved on from keeping politics and bias out of games and game journalism to supporting Trump (no pun intended)

We like to thank the TS for helping to keep GG alive with this thread.

American Tanker:
Long as the media keeps "game-dropping"(citing GamerGate for various things), no, it will never truly die.

Maybe the OP can take their suggestion of burying it to them.

StatusNil:

American Tanker:
Long as the media keeps "game-dropping"(citing GamerGate for various things), no, it will never truly die.

Maybe the OP can take their suggestion of burying it to them.

And most articles I've seen mention Gamergate in the past tense, as that shitty thing that happened two years ago. So yeah, not bringing it up is a good first step in finally moving on from that shit storm
(Hard to believe it's been two years already, and nothing much has changed. If anything I think things are a little better for the other "side" nowadays)

It needs outrage to feed itself and quite frankly, accusations of ethics violations among non-controversial people tend to be pretty dull. I'm sure there have been plenty of cases where, lets say, a glowing review was written for a game whose lead developer was one of the writer's close friends or when a review is made on a game the writer has a financial stake in. That just isn't sexy.

StatusNil:
No, even though the phenomenon is no longer as specific to gaming as it used to be.

Why? Because the wrong has not been corrected.

Yeah, I'm gonna go with this.

nomotog:

I am not going to bother asking what the wrong is because at this point I don't think it matters what it is. If they haven't got it done by now then they have no chance. GG has only gone down hill in clout and power.

You're right in that it's far too late for the simple "sorry our bad" that could have ended this on day two, but I'm not sure about that whole bit about "going downhill" in "clout and power". Why, last I heard, we were actually electing US presidents, which, let me tell you, is a particularly impressive feat for the non-Americans (like me) among us.

nomotog:
They attack games for having the wrong politics (or if they think do), they spread the worst most biased news around, They have become a more conservative version of all they said they hated.

Aside from a very brief period, they were always doing that.

More conservative version? They were never liberal. When you're clanking glasses with Matt Forney and Christina Hoff Sommers, you ain't leftist, baby.

BeetleManiac:
It's the inevitable life cycle of cranks. They never really go away, they just confine themselves to their small tribes and blame everyone else for their unhappiness. We don't need to bury Gamergate. They've already retreated to the caverns beneath the Misty Mountains.

Then again, Smaug the Golden still came out and the results weren't pleasant...

Do us anti GamerGaters need to keep the black arrows on hand?

Ogoid:

StatusNil:
No, even though the phenomenon is no longer as specific to gaming as it used to be.

Why? Because the wrong has not been corrected.

Yeah, I'm gonna go with this.

nomotog:

I am not going to bother asking what the wrong is because at this point I don't think it matters what it is. If they haven't got it done by now then they have no chance. GG has only gone down hill in clout and power.

You're right in that it's far too late for the simple "sorry our bad" that could have ended this on day two, but I'm not sure about that whole bit about "going downhill" in "clout and power". Why, last I heard, we were actually electing US presidents, which, let me tell you, is a particularly impressive feat for the non-Americans (like me) among us.

Oh no, I wouldn't blame trump on GG. That would be just unfair.

This subforum's a ghost town, and nobody really mentions it any more. (Except maybe those who are hardcore into it and saw it as something much bigger than what it actually was).

Shit's buried, imo.

The heck are you talking about? It's been dead. The occasional person writing bitter webcomics about it doesn't magically make it relevant.

Well, the alleged "dark armies of the Alt-Right" and the evil Gamergators didn't actually do anything, so I suppose all the hysteria about an organized terror network was all complete cack drummed up to garner attention.

And then we had Kotaku, Polygon et al. adding disclosures to their articles, the retraction for Brad Wardell, the FCC cracking down on native advertising...

Almost as if there was some merit to the idea journalists should have integrity and some level of professionalism. BUT THAT CANT POSSIBLY BE THE CASE RIGHT?!

Considering the Brad Wardell retraction happened before Gamergate existed, and their interaction with the FCC was "bugged them enough that they got a line added to the FAQ of the crackdown the FCC was doing anyway", so.....

Yeah. Gamergate, the whole medium splitting, purity test demanding, mega-thread having, jiggle physics defending, savior-of-the-games-industry/scourge-of-the-games-industry, FBI investigated, kicked off of 4chan and Reddit for spreading fox and harassment thing, had the net effect of being one of the reasons games media has slightly more disclosures, although the FCC, who were in the middle of cracking down on that anywway, probably had more to do with that.

altnameJag:
although the FCC, who were in the middle of cracking down on that anywway, probably had more to do with that.

Wardell article was still up at the time to be fair, and that doesn't cancel out their begrudging policy change regarding disclosure.

Can't let the Them have a point in any way though, you do that and MegaTrump would destroy the planet.

Ninjamedic:

Almost as if there was some merit to the idea journalists should have integrity and some level of professionalism. BUT THAT CANT POSSIBLY BE THE CASE RIGHT?!

That had plenty of merit. Shame that GamerGate went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past it and decided it would rather be an inquisitorial body to ensure that games were "free of SJW content".

Ninjamedic:

altnameJag:
although the FCC, who were in the middle of cracking down on that anywway, probably had more to do with that.

Wardell article was still up at the time to be fair, and that doesn't cancel out their begrudging policy change regarding disclosure.

Can't let the Them have a point in any way though, you do that and MegaTrump would destroy the planet.

I mean, yeah, it exists, although it's been edited, explained, and corrected, and had a follow up published in September of 2013, but apparently that still counts for Gamergate, because reasons.

So yeah, after the shooting threats, bank fraud, and doxed phone numbers being used to call certain critics hundreds of times a week to tell them how shit they were (all in the FBI report), Gamergate's great achievement is threatening to report some game sites to the FCC and those sites updating their policy to be FCC compliant. Which could've been done without the movement that broke the Escapist's back.

Smithnikov:

Ninjamedic:

Almost as if there was some merit to the idea journalists should have integrity and some level of professionalism. BUT THAT CANT POSSIBLY BE THE CASE RIGHT?!

That had plenty of merit. Shame that GamerGate went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past it and decided it would rather be an inquisitorial body to ensure that games were "free of SJW content".

Not gonna disagree here, but then again it can be said that given the reaction to the initial blowback the games press was unbridled hostility and declaring all conversations verboten, it helped to fuel the demagogues that appeared to shill themselves.

altnameJag:

So yeah, after the shooting threats, bank fraud, and doxed phone numbers being used to call certain critics hundreds of times a week to tell them how shit they were (all in the FBI report),

Given the amount of scrutiny we place on constant "X person said something therefore all leftists are evil" posts on this site, I'm going to assume you're not implying I don't condemn any of this. I will say though, that if we're going to declare ideas or opinions invalid by association, this kills damn near everything that gets posted on the internet.

It then opens the can of worms that is the opposition to recent right-wing pundits with the disproportionate reactions they end up with.

Gamergate's great achievement is threatening to report some game sites to the FCC and those sites updating their policy to be FCC compliant.

So no different from any other online movement really, better than driving a man to breakdown over a shirt at least.

Which could've been done without the movement that broke the Escapist's back.

You must have been not browsing for the 3 years beforehand then.

Ninjamedic:

Given the amount of scrutiny we place on constant "X person said something therefore all leftists are evil" posts on this site, I'm going to assume you're not implying I don't condemn any of this. I will say though, that if we're going to declare ideas or opinions invalid by association, this kills damn near everything that gets posted on the internet.

It then opens the can of worms that is the opposition to recent right-wing pundits with the disproportionate reactions they end up with.

Gamergate's great achievement is threatening to report some game sites to the FCC and those sites updating their policy to be FCC compliant.

So no different from any other online movement really, better than driving a man to breakdown over a shirt at least.

A) A dude crying a bit while making a heartfelt apology isn't a "breakdown" so much as it's incredibly common. (Watch more sports)
B) The people "responsible" accepted the apology and then both they and the scientist moved on, unlike people who still bring it up.
C) It's not like Gamergate did any of this politely, if the FBI is to be believed. Which makes your two statements here hilarious.

Ninjamedic:

Smithnikov:

Ninjamedic:

Almost as if there was some merit to the idea journalists should have integrity and some level of professionalism. BUT THAT CANT POSSIBLY BE THE CASE RIGHT?!

That had plenty of merit. Shame that GamerGate went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past it and decided it would rather be an inquisitorial body to ensure that games were "free of SJW content".

Not gonna disagree here, but then again it can be said that given the reaction to the initial blowback the games press was unbridled hostility and declaring all conversations verboten, it helped to fuel the demagogues that appeared to shill themselves.

"Declaring all conversations verboten"? Yes, why would games journalists decline to entertain a party that managed to get kicked off of 4chan or caused Reddit to go into lockdown due to waves of dox about Zoe Quinn overwhelming human moderation.

altnameJag:
Which makes your two statements here hilarious.

Um... How? I pointed to another example of handwringing over nothing and enabling of abuse on the internet as a remark on how most (if not all frankly) of these shitstorms amount to nothing and yet you still try to lend credibility to it's nonsense as saying he "apologised" as if he committed a wrongdoing by wearing a shirt people didn't like. And again, you choose to downplay what he went though, why?

What makes one excusable and the other utterly contemptible? It's still outrage and abuse against a human being after all.

Ninjamedic:
How? I pointed to another example of handwringing over nothing and enabling of abuse on the internet as a remark on how most (if not all frankly) of these shitstorms amount to nothing...

Glad we agree

altnameJag:
Glad we agree

I guess so then.

Snark aside, I do appreciate the responses here.

Nah. It has been reduced to a dull whimper, but it isn't truly dead. In a certain sense the GG cry of ethics in journalism has actually gotten broader with this whole "Fake News!" spree we're having, it is just no longer flying the GG banner. You even see the same arguments from both sides. It is kinda ironic as it was one of things people were blaming from Hillary's loss, but has now turned into a rally cry of those against the left.

I was in it, so I think it's dead. I didn't know they were conservatives because I was in an angry bubble, but I think most retreated to the Alt-right. I became the very thing I "hated", and became sort of a proto-social justice warrior seeing as how I re-tweet BLM, and LGBTQ stuff nowadays against Trump, and also joined the democratic socialists, I was mainly converted to this by rationalwiki which has a great page on them.

If you have any questions about them you can ask me.

Edit: Turns out most of the media I was ranting about is also progressive sites like Salon, and Vox who do great pieces on stuff like gerrymandering.

It's alive like Terry Schiavo (sp) was alive.

...too soon?

Gergar12:
I was in it, so I think it's dead. I didn't know they were conservatives because I was in an angry bubble, but I think most retreated to the Alt-right. I became the very thing I "hated", and became sort of a proto-social justice warrior seeing as how I re-tweet BLM, and LGBTQ stuff nowadays against Trump, and also joined the democratic socialists, I was mainly converted to this by rationalwiki which has a great page on them.

If you have any questions about them you can ask me.

Edit: Turns out most of the media I was ranting about is also progressive sites like Salon, and Vox who do great pieces on stuff like gerrymandering.

I remember you from the mega-thread. If memory serves, you were pretty pissed at the gaming press and felt like they were attacking their audience (like a lot of folks in the thread). When did you start to move away from GG? Was there any one thing that kicked it off for you, or was it an accumulation of things? And has your opinion of the gaming press changed, or was this more about your opinion of GG changing?

I realize it's a meme to call GG dead, but it really does seem like it is, at this point. We can see this by looking at the traffic figures for the various 'GG hubs'; this very subforum is a prime example.

Even KiA's traffic statistics paint a rather grim picture:
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/about/traffic/
There's a steady trend downwards. In fact, while the number of subscribers is in the 5-figures, the number of actual active users is typically only in the triple-digits.

So yah, it's dead.

Gergar12:
I didn't know they were conservatives because I was in an angry bubble, but I think most retreated to the Alt-right.

That hasn't been my experience, more like they were disgusted by how the mainstream media they used to trust to some degree at least was so quick to join the Narrative peddled by the gaming hacks. And that of course was how they came to be called "alt-right" by that same media. You're not allowed to disrespect the self-appointed script editors of Reality itself by filthy peasant doubt without a nasty label branded on you.

I still find it odd how people try to counter criticism of said Narrative peddlers with "Bu-but what about teh FOX NOOSE?!" as if most people involved ever cared about their brand of Message Discipline. Nobody expects accuracy from them, whereas many of us mistakenly did expect it from the formerly respectable news outlets.

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