A whole new level of FucKonami

Hoooo boy. Now, the idea of being a dick to your employees, okay. That's normal corporation assholeness. Fucking with your ex-employees, worse, but still believable. Refusing to pay dues, probably illegal, but also expected from these old ass Japanese dickheads.

But going out of your way to ensure that a entire company started by your ex-employee doesn't get their health insurance... That is a whole other level of pettiness. These pieces of shit actually got together, approached one of their directors, and said, "Hey, you know that other job you have that health insurance company? We want you to betray all of the responsibilities of your position and possibly endanger your career there so we can fuck over Kojima a lil bit more".

This is just crazy. A decades old international company taking an employee's resignation so personally like some abusive clingy girlfriend takes a break up. And they really are doing this out of pure spite. They don't even seem to want to make video games anymore, so why bother making sure their developers never take company "secrets" with them? It's even worse that besides a couple of meaningless #FucKonamis on Twitter, we have no real way of getting back at them. They already don't want to make video games, so boycotting them is useless. Unless some of us live in Japan and use pachinko machines regularly.

That is how most Japanocorps work. They either play ball or be crushed. That is how ruthless corporate society is in conglomerate countries like Japan.

If they really wanted to put the screws on Kojima they would exert pressure on anyone who hires them, buy up property for no reason than to say "We don't want you to have it" and make it impossible for Kojima to start a new studio. Getting out of the country is alos difficult due to Work Visa laws being really finnicky, I knew a place over here closed down because some of the staff couldn't reapply in time and they just choose to cut their losses.

These character traits are carryovers from the old school post-samurai-era lineage. Read up on the Battle of Manila; there was some pretty barbaric stuff going on especially towards the end of WWII. The Japanese and extremism seem to largely go hand in hand, to the point even Hitler thought they were insane.

Tradition can be a beast of burden. More power to people like Kojima and other respected developers who have gained some invaluable world perspective. This really isn't limited to one culture or country though, either. Governmental and educational institutions especially in America as well as many other places have a long, long way to go.

Seriously, what did Kojima DO to piss off Konami so much?

BaldursGateTemple:
Seriously, what did Kojima DO to piss off Konami so much?

He was his own man; for sociopaths like this, that's all it takes.

BaldursGateTemple:
Seriously, what did Kojima DO to piss off Konami so much?

Yeah, I wonder about that too. Obviously Konami is a shit company and this pettiness sinks to a new level of low even for that company but this grudge betrays so much bad blood between Kojima and Konami. No matter how Konami sucks and all that they did always give Kojima all the freedom to make his games, both in budget and development time. Then they had their falling out and man things really turned to shit. :p Kojima seems to have atleast moved on. I guess if Konami continues their crusade he can always request the support of Sony's lawyers. You'd imagine these bitter old fucks in charge of Konami to be above such schoolyard antics, but apparently not.

Btw the guy in that video looks like he could be Kojima's son. :p

The thing now is though, what the hell can we do about any of this? They're barely making games anymore as it is. They're either gonna flop or just get out of that market altogether.

Arnoxthe1:
The thing now is though, what the hell can we do about any of this? They're barely making games anymore as it is. They're either gonna flop or just get out of that market altogether.

Konami has a really high revenue of about USD 1.45 billion with profits having gone up last year with almost 70%. Consumers hate the company for good reason but it still has a lot of value for investors. Most of Konami's revenue comes from mobile games, pachinko slot machines and health and fitness.

Metal Gear was the only in-house AAA game Konami still developed(besides PES which is basically just the same game with a yearly update) so their 'digital entertainment' division was already primarily focused on mobile. Anyone hoping for Konami to go under, that is not really likely(atleast not on the short term). If you read their financials Konami as a company is very, very short-term focused though. They invest little to nothing. If the mobile market implodes a large part of their share will simply evaporate.

https://www.konami.com/news/en/release/2017/0131/?cm_sp=00-_-release-_-20170131-e

stroopwafel:

Arnoxthe1:
The thing now is though, what the hell can we do about any of this? They're barely making games anymore as it is. They're either gonna flop or just get out of that market altogether.

Konami has a really high revenue of about USD 1.45 billion with profits having gone up last year with almost 70%. Consumers hate the company for good reason but it still has a lot of value for investors. Most of Konami's revenue comes from mobile games, pachinko slot machines and health and fitness.

Metal Gear was the only in-house AAA game Konami still developed(besides PES which is basically just the same game with a yearly update) so their 'digital entertainment' division was already primarily focused on mobile. Anyone hoping for Konami to go under, that is not really likely(atleast not on the short term). If you read their financials Konami as a company is very, very short-term focused though. They invest little to nothing. If the mobile market implodes a large part of their share will simply evaporate.

https://www.konami.com/news/en/release/2017/0131/?cm_sp=00-_-release-_-20170131-e

They have diversified to gambling and fitness among all things. The problem is they saw how indignant the press and Audience is for video games and slowly leaving as they saw how Japanese gaming was being bashed and how a single change can cause fans to become haters. Better to leave then to put up with ravings.

BaldursGateTemple:
Seriously, what did Kojima DO to piss off Konami so much?

Kojima is very unorthodox for a Japanese exec. Western background in gaming development allowed him to make games that suits western tastes. The Japanese attitude is play it doublesafe. See Database Syndrome

He also in a sense holds a lot of power and clout as a director in the industry given how people banded around Kojima. To Hayakawa this is an affront to the collectivist nature.

gyrobot:

They have diversified to gambling and fitness among all things. The problem is they saw how indignant the press and Audience is for video games and slowly leaving as they saw how Japanese gaming was being bashed and how a single change can cause fans to become haters. Better to leave then to put up with ravings.

Yeah but mobile games still amount to the bulk of their share, almost half. If you consider how volatile and oversaturated the mobile market is then any profit for the long term isn't really sustainable. They had a much more exclusive position in the AAA games market which has provided them sustainable growth for decades(and considering the huge commercial success of MGS5 not exactly slowing down). If I was an investor I wouldn't exactly be thrilled about them betting everything on one horse. It just isn't good business sense, unless, you want to bump up short term stock price by hefty profits through zero investments and high short-term turnover. Half of Konami's profit now comes from the mobile games market and if that bubble bursts their share will be sold at an incredible loss. Again if I were a Konami investor I would be pissed them throwing a proven investment out the window. Even if that decreased the stock price in the short term. Also, what is the point of burning all the goodwill you once had with your former customers? Or ruining former employee's lives out of spite? The corporate douchebags at Konami want to make a quick buck and be the schoolyard bully but that isn't exactly a solid foundation for the future.

BaldursGateTemple:
Seriously, what did Kojima DO to piss off Konami so much?

I imagine there is a lot of Japanese societal hangups associated with this. I know little of Japanese culture, but I do know it's very conformist and insular. They also put a lot of emphasis on the group over the individual. So I imagine Kojimia leaving the company is be a much bigger deal there than it would be in the West.

Canadamus Prime:

BaldursGateTemple:
Seriously, what did Kojima DO to piss off Konami so much?

I imagine there is a lot of Japanese societal hangups associated with this. I know little of Japanese culture, but I do know it's very conformist and insular. They also put a lot of emphasis on the group over the individual. So I imagine Kojimia leaving the company is be a much bigger deal there than it would be in the West.

Close, Japanese corporate culture has always been a bit cutthroat to speak of the least. Directors in the game industry have more clout and influence than their western counterparts. It is similar to how hollywood was during the 70's to 90's before the studio/investor system dominated and all we have is remakes, reruns and prequels/sequels. Kojima wanted to do his own thing without Konami's blessings and Konami was looking for a way out before the market

stroopwafel:

gyrobot:

They have diversified to gambling and fitness among all things. The problem is they saw how indignant the press and Audience is for video games and slowly leaving as they saw how Japanese gaming was being bashed and how a single change can cause fans to become haters. Better to leave then to put up with ravings.

Yeah but mobile games still amount to the bulk of their share, almost half. If you consider how volatile and oversaturated the mobile market is then any profit for the long term isn't really sustainable. They had a much more exclusive position in the AAA games market which has provided them sustainable growth for decades(and considering the huge commercial success of MGS5 not exactly slowing down). If I was an investor I wouldn't exactly be thrilled about them betting everything on one horse. It just isn't good business sense, unless, you want to bump up short term stock price by hefty profits through zero investments and high short-term turnover. Half of Konami's profit now comes from the mobile games market and if that bubble bursts their share will be sold at an incredible loss. Again if I were a Konami investor I would be pissed them throwing a proven investment out the window. Even if that decreased the stock price in the short term. Also, what is the point of burning all the goodwill you once had with your former customers? Or ruining former employee's lives out of spite? The corporate douchebags at Konami want to make a quick buck and be the schoolyard bully but that isn't exactly a solid foundation for the future.

I went to a game design conference a couple of years ago and a couple of execs talking about opening an overseas branch here explain their focus on mobile is because development potential is a lot better than Console Gaming which is a zero growth income. You won't lose money but it is only enough to keep the Bills and dividends paid. If you are looking to expand you are out of luck with Console Gaming.

Mobile Gaming is much easier to hire new people and easier to maintain. Console Gaming like Metal Gear have small dedicated teams who absolutely refuses to hire people outside the loop. Kojima's group of devs is hand picked from universities or people he has vouched over the years. As we had seen with other games where the director of the franchise has left, it has caused subsequent games to dip in quality, take Dead Rising 3 and 4, Capcom Vancouver often receive a lot of criticism for the lack of care for the franchise's nature in game design after Inafune left.

Casino based games are also a lot less critic dependant than console gaming as I have mentioned. You don't have to put up with gamers who review bomb you on your digital adspace aka Youtube. Your customers only have to be pampered to physically and aren't as bitchy as a gamer is or the reviewer looking to score virtual signal points. The casino gambler is a reliable audience that will never complain in things beyond their control.

stroopwafel:

Btw the guy in that video looks like he could be Kojima's son. :p

The dude is practically obsessed with Kojima. He's the kind of guy to make a "Top 3 "You're Pretty Good" Scenes" video for MGS.

hanselthecaretaker:
These character traits are carryovers from the old school post-samurai-era lineage. Read up on the Battle of Manila; there was some pretty barbaric stuff going on especially towards the end of WWII. The Japanese and extremism seem to largely go hand in hand, to the point even Hitler thought they were insane.

Oh I don't need to, learned all about it in school.

It really makes you wonder though, Japan seems like a great. They are ridiculously creative, very efficient, and their infrastructure is amazing. Yet they also have high suicide rates, treat their employees like absolute shit, and have all these archaic traditions that are increasingly out of place in this modern world.

Maybe one day I'll get to visit there and see it all for myself.

Bob_McMillan:

hanselthecaretaker:
These character traits are carryovers from the old school post-samurai-era lineage. Read up on the Battle of Manila; there was some pretty barbaric stuff going on especially towards the end of WWII. The Japanese and extremism seem to largely go hand in hand, to the point even Hitler thought they were insane.

Oh I don't need to, learned all about it in school.

It really makes you wonder though, Japan seems like a great. They are ridiculously creative, very efficient, and their infrastructure is amazing. Yet they also have high suicide rates, treat their employees like absolute shit, and have all these archaic traditions that are increasingly out of place in this modern world.

Maybe one day I'll get to visit there and see it all for myself.

Just goes to show, every country has its dark sides.

Someday you'll get to visit? What is keeping you from just up and buying a plane ticket and flying over there for a week or two?😃
Just beware that the kinds of things that are described here in this topic aren't really things you'll come across as a tourist, so your experience of the country will most likely be all sugar and rainbows, just be wary of what places you go to around night time. This might sound obvious, but, don't trust people out on the street that invite you into their bars or clubs, which means that in Tokyo you'd probably be best to avoid Roppongi, that place is crawling with people trying to sell you drugs and getting you to enter their over-priced bars. Basically, if you don't see Japanese people going into a place, there's no reason for you to go into that place either.

So much for my cautionary travel advise.

It's even worse that besides a couple of meaningless #FucKonamis on Twitter, we have no real way of getting back at them. They already don't want to make video games, so boycotting them is useless. Unless some of us live in Japan and use pachinko machines regularly.

It's not really up to us to get back at them, though, it's up to the police to crack down on these kinds of practices.

Bob_McMillan:

stroopwafel:

Btw the guy in that video looks like he could be Kojima's son. :p

The dude is practically obsessed with Kojima. He's the kind of guy to make a "Top 3 "You're Pretty Good" Scenes" video for MGS.

hanselthecaretaker:
These character traits are carryovers from the old school post-samurai-era lineage. Read up on the Battle of Manila; there was some pretty barbaric stuff going on especially towards the end of WWII. The Japanese and extremism seem to largely go hand in hand, to the point even Hitler thought they were insane.

Oh I don't need to, learned all about it in school.

It really makes you wonder though, Japan seems like a great. They are ridiculously creative, very efficient, and their infrastructure is amazing. Yet they also have high suicide rates, treat their employees like absolute shit, and have all these archaic traditions that are increasingly out of place in this modern world.

Maybe one day I'll get to visit there and see it all for myself.

Yeah it's truly a double-edged sword. They are also overpopulated to the point their birth rate has dropped significantly from a lack of interest in sex (beyond hentai at least). Or maybe it's also the negative repercussions of the not so good parts of their culture. People act like it's a great cause for concern but I really can't blame them.

bluegate:

Bob_McMillan:

hanselthecaretaker:
These character traits are carryovers from the old school post-samurai-era lineage. Read up on the Battle of Manila; there was some pretty barbaric stuff going on especially towards the end of WWII. The Japanese and extremism seem to largely go hand in hand, to the point even Hitler thought they were insane.

Oh I don't need to, learned all about it in school.

It really makes you wonder though, Japan seems like a great. They are ridiculously creative, very efficient, and their infrastructure is amazing. Yet they also have high suicide rates, treat their employees like absolute shit, and have all these archaic traditions that are increasingly out of place in this modern world.

Maybe one day I'll get to visit there and see it all for myself.

Just goes to show, every country has its dark sides.

Someday you'll get to visit? What is keeping you from just up and buying a plane ticket and flying over there for a week or two?

It's even worse that besides a couple of meaningless #FucKonamis on Twitter, we have no real way of getting back at them. They already don't want to make video games, so boycotting them is useless. Unless some of us live in Japan and use pachinko machines regularly.

It's not really up to us to get back at them, though, it's up to the police to crack down on these kinds of practices.

Well, I have yet to start college so I'd like a job first before I go all touristy. But Japan is definitely on my list of to go places.

As for getting back at Konami, well, I guess I've just gotten used to being able to actually campaign for a thing. I followed the journey of Battlefield 4 to being a good game as well as the efforts to make Rocksteady put out decent DLC for Arkham Knight. I'm kinda spoiled I guess with game companies actually listening to gamers.

Bob_McMillan:
Well, I have yet to start college so I'd like a job first before I go all touristy. But Japan is definitely on my list of to go places.

Don't leave it too long. If you want to go, find a way to make it happen.

I always wanted to travel when I was younger and had little in the way of financial responsibility, but for some reason I kept putting it off. Now I'm 41, with bills coming out my behind, but I'm back off to the USA next year to go to Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

An old cliche it may be but travel really does broaden the mind. I wish I'd done this years ago.

votemarvel:

I always wanted to travel when I was younger and had little in the way of financial responsibility, but for some reason I kept putting it off. Now I'm 41, with bills coming out my behind, but I'm back off to the USA next year to go to Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

An old cliche it may be but travel really does broaden the mind. I wish I'd done this years ago.

Japan is fun for awhile, but even back when I was there it was getting harder and harder to ignore the shanties cropping up around the place. First year they were located in the public 'parkland' that had been practically given over to nature. They aren't 'parks' in a conventional sense. No lawnmowing, no specially contracted horticulturalists maing sure the flower beds are the right ph and the trees have just the rightamount of trimming, and the marble fixtures are not being eaten by moss.

The economy is truly in the toilet and it's been that way since when I first 'workcationed' there, and it's apparently gotten somehow worse in the 11 years.

Also Japan sucks when it rains. It just feels suicidally awful. Like anywhere in the UK. The rain is doubly bad if, like me, you're almost 5'11''. Wear sunglasses when it's wet, or you risk an eye injury with the cramped walkways and the billion and one umbrellas. Apparently no one has heard of shielded walkways, there.

But I come from Australia, so you know ... clear skies nearly everyday. It's surprising how much you miss it when you go through a Japanese monsoonal period.

Just another day in bullshit Japanese corporate culture. Capitalism at it's finest.

Addendum_Forthcoming:
SNIP

I went to Chicago in 2015 and the City didn't disappoint. What an amazing place to visit (and get soaked in).

Sure some people may end up disappointed if the place they visit doesn't live up to expectations. So travel elsewhere and find somewhere that does.

It's just as I said, I wish I'd gone travelling years ago and seen the world while I was still young and not worrying about things. Go while there is nothing to hold you, it just gets more difficult the longer you put it off.

votemarvel:

Addendum_Forthcoming:
SNIP

I went to Chicago in 2015 and the City didn't disappoint. What an amazing place to visit (and get soaked in).

Sure some people may end up disappointed if the place they visit doesn't live up to expectations. So travel elsewhere and find somewhere that does.

It's just as I said, I wish I'd gone travelling years ago and seen the world while I was still young and not worrying about things. Go while there is nothing to hold you, it just gets more difficult the longer you put it off.

I've travelled fairly extensively in my 20s. Still haven't visited both Americas or Antarctica yet. I still have it on the cards to do one big arse motorcycle trip around the world. For that I need a year off. I loved Hong Kong, but frankly I hate planes. I'd like to see the world on two wheels. Just me, a big planet, and an emergency toolkit and tank/saddle bags. Life is an adventure.

Thst being said, I wouldn't suggest travelling myself. World isn't as secure as it was in terms of employment. Save money, invest. The benefits of travelling are largely esoteric... the value of money is tangible. $10,000 invested well, now, in your teens ... will be a year without labour in your 50s and 60s.

 

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