How gamergate ruined games

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Silentpony:

Wow, so after a look at this guy I've got a new rule: Nobody is ever allowed to criticize a female youtuber for their physical appearance again. Was he just mad that they weren't serving pie at the con?

Yeah that was a bit mean.

I never got this GamerGate bullshit and I still don't. Games just like any other medium can be criticized and analyzed without restrictions. If you're having trouble discussing games, then find a community devoid of such bullshit. People claiming something like Horizon Zero Dawn is a SJW game is not worth your time anyways, just like whatever douche you bump into in real life that you ignore.

gyrobot:
Its funny, I grown a pair an realized I am a functional human being and need to listen to my inner voice saying "Its hot." Instead of being all sexually repressed like Klepek when he was talking about Yakuza 0.

Its funny, the reason such T&A softcore is so prevalent in Japanese media is directly because of their sexually repressed culture.

Avnger:

gyrobot:
Its funny, I grown a pair an realized I am a functional human being and need to listen to my inner voice saying "Its hot." Instead of being all sexually repressed like Klepek when he was talking about Yakuza 0.

Its funny, the reason such T&A softcore is so prevalent in Japanese media is directly because of their sexually repressed culture.

How can Japan be sexually repressed? The people on /v tell us it's the promised land where hot Asian women are just waiting for mansplaining gaijin to sweep them off their feet. Why would the internet lie to us?

BeetleManiac:

Avnger:

gyrobot:
Its funny, I grown a pair an realized I am a functional human being and need to listen to my inner voice saying "Its hot." Instead of being all sexually repressed like Klepek when he was talking about Yakuza 0.

Its funny, the reason such T&A softcore is so prevalent in Japanese media is directly because of their sexually repressed culture.

How can Japan be sexually repressed? The people on /v tell us it's the promised land where hot Asian women are just waiting for mansplaining gaijin to sweep them off their feet. Why would the internet lie to us?

Because of the character designs in Current Year. When E3 looks like a miserable attemot at virtue signalling and then look at how Tamsoft continue to provide their audience what they want and not some critic's ideal woman influenced by Annie thatcher.

Who? What? What virtues was E-hecking-3 trying to signal besides "rampant consumerism is good"?

Was it the Rabbids? It was probably the Rabbids.

Did Gamergate ruin games? No. Not in my mind at least. What Gamergate did do however, was make discussing the medium harder, or make any shifts from the norm difficult. Taking Gamergate to its extreme, any female wearing realistic armour is "censorship," any game attempting to have themes/dealing with politics is "forcing a message down our throat," any non-white male protagonist is "pandering to the SJWs."

And before you jump in, yes, there is the other extreme, but if I have to compare "SJWs" with "SQWs," the latter tend to be more belligerent and, in my mind, paranoid.

TBH, I don't think they ruined games discussion, They did however give gamers a bad rap acting like a bunch of whiny little bitches afraid of some girls having input in games that never belonged " to the boys" to begin with. It does not matter if feminists, hardcore gamers or anyone else wants to have their input into games, they should have a right to without people having an aneurysm crying bu..bu the femnazi sjw's wannaw ruin everything! I am so sick of hearing people whine about "sjw white knights" when the real problem here does not appear to be people who just want to add input, it is the people trying to lock the doors to prevent the community from growing. The gaming community has always been a mixmash of all types of people from all types of backgrounds that all came together to enjoy their games and does not " belong" to any one group. Everyone from grandmas to kids play games and should be able to voice their opinion on what they like and dislike just the same. EVERYONE has an agenda, who cares? Simply because their agenda is not your agenda does not mean they are somehow going to be harmful in any way.

When gaming moved to cater to sports, sure some cried foul, but no where near as bad as when they started to cater to women like that is somehow a bad thing. Gaming sales were stale, if developers want to expand the market they are going to have to create games for everyone, not just what you or I want. Simply because I hate PVE games, that does not mean they should not include content for those who like that in games I enjoy.Even though I am not a fan of PvE content, I am a fan of being able to play games with my friends and family who actually do like that content and the more games that have content for different types of groups the more different types of people I can play that game with. Instead of arguing about graphix over gameplay people are now whining over BS.Seeing people whining that Star Trek is SJW conspiracy was honestly pathetic.

It appears that some were completely detached from the reality in failing to understand that those promoting games have been the game developers from the beginning. The entire "Gaming news" was brought to us by game developers as a means to tell people about their products so of course they were biased and have an agenda, they wanted us to buy their products. The game developers created gaming news in the first place. Game developers were also the ones out promoting adding sports to gaming to attract sports fans and thus why they integrated NFL and ESPN into Xbox's. That was okay though because it was about adding " guy" things? It should be no different than adding " girl" things as well. When Game developers moved to start putting gaming articles and advertising in vogue and women's magazines to fish for female opinion, it should not have been a big deal at all when women started to give them just that.Most whining about that had no clue what was really going on to begin with. Game developers are trying to expand their market, and WANT female opinion to be able to do that, so they should not expect that to go away any time soon.

gyrobot:

BeetleManiac:

Avnger:

Its funny, the reason such T&A softcore is so prevalent in Japanese media is directly because of their sexually repressed culture.

How can Japan be sexually repressed? The people on /v tell us it's the promised land where hot Asian women are just waiting for mansplaining gaijin to sweep them off their feet. Why would the internet lie to us?

Because of the character designs in Current Year. When E3 looks like a miserable attemot at virtue signalling and then look at how Tamsoft continue to provide their audience what they want and not some critic's ideal woman influenced by Annie thatcher.

I honestly think you just out PR'd some of the "human" presenters that publishers trot out at E3. It's been a really long time since I've seen such a mess of buzzwords piled on top of each other.

How about you try explaining your point with actual arguments, structure, and details instead of whatever this mess is? It's completely unintelligible currently. Copy-pasting directly from reddit/chans is a poor way to be understood.

gyrobot:
Because of the character designs in Current Year. When E3 looks like a miserable attemot at virtue signalling and then look at how Tamsoft continue to provide their audience what they want and not some critic's ideal woman influenced by Annie thatcher.

I was being facetious. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Nah, gamergate didn't do shit to games.

Sure did a right fucking number on gamers though. Sheesh.

Was just starting to think that maybe gamers were growing and expanding beyond their reputation as pale, maladjusted and conspiracy-prone creatures living in mortal fear of "feminazi" cooties or something when BOOM, a whole bunch of them frantically set about correcting my optimistic outlook.

In retrospect we could have saved a lot of time and effort by just having a bunch of people tattoo "I am not to be taken seriously" on their foreheads.

Oh well. Luckily it was an implosive affair that didn't spatter too much shit on anyone that wasn't already knee-deep.

GamerGate ruined games? When did that happen? I haven't noticed it.

Lots of games getting made. Probably more than ever before, catering to more different groups of people than ever before.

Or is that last part maybe why they're ruined?

I think, frankly, you're giving gamergate too much credit.. they didn't ruin games. They couldn't ruin games. They weren't important enough for that.

Also, they were fine with criticizing games. Heck, the whole thing kicked off to target a developer, not journalists or commentators. They were just hurt in the bottom that people other than them were allowed to criticise games, because if non-troo-gamerz criticize games they might criticise games for lame and irrelevant political reasons like whether they were shameless pandering nonsense rather than super important apolitical reasons like whether Sonic the hedgehog has the right coloured arms.

All in all, noone outside of the internet actually cares about gamergate. It's fun to argue about here, but that's it.

BeetleManiac:

So she's not acting in the way you expect victims to act, therefore she must be faking it?

When someone acts in the way that she says victimizers act, that by definition disqualifies her from claims of victimhood because if that is so then she would be the first person to not want to act thus due to knowing how bad it is on the other end. I think that if she had just called people shitheads and went on with her life back 5 years ago none of this would have happened.

So, yes you do believe that art exists in a vacuum. Okay.

The French New Wave filmmakers say that they were influenced to innovate by the stale nature of French cinema in the 50's and 60's and that their works were informed by what it meant to grow up in France in the mid-20th century, the young French experience. You appear to argue that information is wholly irrelevant and should have absolutely no place in cinematic analysis or critique of French New Wave.

Similarly, you acknowledge the protest songs of the 60's had a message, but you don't want me to talk about the political climate that informed those protests. And we certainly should never discuss the cultural mythology that Kurosawa's samurai films sought to challenge.

The idea that culture, politics, audience and industry do not have an influence on the artists that they directly affect is just silly. The idea that those influences must remain separate from critical theory is even more absurd. How can art exist in a vacuum when it's made by people?

I'm unsure if you're being intentionally obtuse here because you're missing the obvious but I'll repeat myself. Criticism and art-creation are different things. You don't bunch them together and treat them the same.

Someone who has earned the respect of whatever community they belong to through past works deciding to imbue their art with a political message or someone who has created beloved art revealing the things in the wider culture that influenced this creation is DIFFERENT from someone just up and trying to change the world without first having been an established figure and expecting everyone's respect despite not having earned it. That's just basic logic here. If it's someone like Shigeru Miyamoto making a game with a message, or if it's something like FFVII where there were very clear anti-corporation and environmentalist messages abound, people react kindly.

That is not the same as someone just getting up one day and deciding they'll change the world by badmouthing other people's works from a place of misinformation at best.

Ah, the same logic of climate deniers. "I don't trust these people because it's their job and not their hobby."

Oh, I'm sure you believe your arguments to the pinnacle of rationality and objectivity. But thinking something does not make it so. People are not obligated to shut up just because you can claim objectivity. Instead, you're giving me the image of someone who inherently distrusts educated people.

Huh? No. Where did you get that? XD I don't trust people who speak about games when clearly they're not fans of games, that it became their job is actually entirely irrelevant.

If anything, her severely lacking education with regards to gaming in favor of a social justice focused education is the issue here. She's not enough of a specialist to tackle the things she is and expect her opinions to be treated with respect.

That implies some very unflattering things about you. Would you like to qualify that?

How is that not "seeing things differently?"

It's like those funny videos where people trip, you know they likely got hurt and that sucks but the act of falling over is hilarious. Those are basically intellectual trips that amuse me.

To see things differently means that we both are looking at the same thing but just take away a different impression. When one person is not actually looking at what we're supposed to be examining, however, the value to be had in inquiring about their different interpretation is lost because their interpretation is of something else, something I have zero interest in learning about as I am in the process of inquiring about the original thing we were both supposed to be examining.

This is all supposed to be just about games and how games with more feminist values in them will be better or not. That's the only reason I participated. When you turn it into a politics subject that masquerades as being about gaming but actually only cares about society being more just, even if games don't improve at all in the process, you lose my interest and waste my time.

They didn't ruin games at all.

They did, however, leave a massive radioactive no man's land in gaming culture, however.

jademunky:
Wow, so after a look at this guy I've got a new rule: Nobody is ever allowed to criticize a female youtuber for their physical appearance again. Was he just mad that they weren't serving pie at the con?

Yeah that was a bit mean.

Hey now.

Despite being kinda-sorta popular among the wrong crowd, Boogie himself is a good egg.

I don't remember taking a side during the GamerGate debacle.

I don't really see any effect in my gaming activities, with the exception of: visiting the Escapist here, where it remains relevant in animated if divisive discussion threads (see also, Anita Sarkeesian, any gender issues, "Who would you save if they were drowning", etc.).

I read reviews only on hearing about a game that I may like, and then rarely, because I get worried that they will ruin a game's story for me, much like certain trailers can ruin films (I try to avoid those too, for the most part). I always thought that games journalism was most likely paid advertising extolling the virtues of their clients, but I thought that was the point, like the old Nintendo Power magazine. Never gave it any further thought.

I still buy the games I want to play, and play them, and I don't buy the games I don't want.

jademunky:

Silentpony:

Wow, so after a look at this guy I've got a new rule: Nobody is ever allowed to criticize a female youtuber for their physical appearance again. Was he just mad that they weren't serving pie at the con?

Yeah that was a bit mean.

Oh look, judging a person solely by their outward appearance. I guess it's fair game when said person has a "Y" chromosome, amirite?

Considering that Boogie was raised by a physically, mentally and sexually abusive mother and he overate in an attempt to cope, considering that he has put up with all manner of ridicule and harassment due to his weight, considering that he has tried for years to lose said weight under all manner of doctor-approved diets and nothing worked, to the point where he's about to undergo gastric bypass surgery...

...Yeah, I'd say you WERE a bit mean.

Boogie may fall on the 'gater side of the debate, but he's one of the more calm, level-headed ones. I for one have never heard him belittle the likes of Ms. Sarkeesian, or anyone else for that matter, based on their appearance. Indeed, he hasn't been very vocal about Gamergate at all despite supporting it because he was harassed and bullied into silence early on (yes, BOTH sides are guilty of this).

That's what kills me about this whole gamergate debacle (or any "hot button" issue, for that matter). People are quick to cry foul at any perceived slight or attack against their "side" (whether real or imaginary), yet they'll turn a blind eye towards similar transgressions on the other end, like ignoring it will make it go away or something. News flash, people; not only will it NOT go away, but doing so will expose you as a massive hypocrite in the process. Even worse is when they actively and knowingly stoop to such levels under the idiotic notion of "well they did it, that means it's fair game for us too!" When you try to fight fire with fire, you only end up with...more fire.

The fact of the matter is, the Sarkeesians and Sargons of the world are only symptoms of a much bigger problem of blind partisanship and tribalism. These charlatans wouldn't have become so popular/infamous in the first place if people didn't give them such a massive platform to sell their snake oil from.

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Zhukov:

jademunky:
Wow, so after a look at this guy I've got a new rule: Nobody is ever allowed to criticize a female youtuber for their physical appearance again. Was he just mad that they weren't serving pie at the con?

Yeah that was a bit mean.

Hey now.

Despite being kinda-sorta popular among the wrong crowd, Boogie himself is a good egg.

I think his egg-ness is irrelevant when discussing the difference between male and female actors and presenters' appearances and how they factor into their careers.

I mean it's the Kevin James sitcom syndrome all over again. Guys aren't kept down because of their appearances in the same ways women are. Full stop. (I mean just look how people are comfortable making fun of how Anita looks, yet get their jimmies rustled if someone points out a fat guy is fat)

jademunky:

Silentpony:

Wow, so after a look at this guy I've got a new rule: Nobody is ever allowed to criticize a female youtuber for their physical appearance again. Was he just mad that they weren't serving pie at the con?

Yeah that was a bit mean.

I'd say it was pretty mean. He is levelheaded, and didn't deserve his fears come true. I'm glad that he knew how to properly face her.

Dreiko:
That is not the same as someone just getting up one day and deciding they'll change the world by badmouthing other people's works from a place of misinformation at best.

Who is that someone and how is their criticism badmouthing and, at best, misinformation?

undeadsuitor:

Zhukov:

jademunky:
Wow, so after a look at this guy I've got a new rule: Nobody is ever allowed to criticize a female youtuber for their physical appearance again. Was he just mad that they weren't serving pie at the con?

Yeah that was a bit mean.

Hey now.

Despite being kinda-sorta popular among the wrong crowd, Boogie himself is a good egg.

I think his egg-ness is irrelevant when discussing the difference between male and female actors and presenters' appearances and how they factor into their careers.

I mean it's the Kevin James sitcom syndrome all over again. Guys aren't kept down because of their appearances in the same ways women are. Full stop. (I mean just look how people are comfortable making fun of how Anita looks, yet get their jimmies rustled if someone points out a fat guy is fat)

Yeah, but neither Anita nor Boogie deserve to be kept down for their appearance. And that wasn't pointing out that Boogie is fat. That was an uncalled bad joke.

altnameJag:
[bolded part]And how could they possible know that? Remember, most of the people GG got mad at were Game developers, game critics, and game journalists. Hell, unless you did all the way back to the Jack Thompson era, they got nobody who fits the "most of them won't even play the game" schtick.

I mean, I've been gaming for almost 30 years now. Kinda surprised to hear I'm just a feminist invader to the hobby. And I got told that a lot.

GG also went after a lot of random internet feminists that complained about anti-feminist stuff in games. Or at the very least people claiming to be a part of GG. I won't deny that a part of the GG community (or claiming to be part of it) were in it to bash sjw's and feminists rather than go against corruption in games media. Which I think is stupid. Sure, complain about feminists 'invading' your hobby for their feminist agendas, but don't involve GG into it...

What, like a video series showing common tropes video games use?

I personally never agreed to bashing Anita in the game of GG. It at least feels like a part of GG did just that. Criticism of Anita outside of GG though, as long as they weren't trying to silence her but just bring to light the facts of what she was doing, I'm fine with. That's just constructive criticism. I realise I'm kinda contradicting myself here. Never been good at putting my thoughts on paper. I shouldn't have added 'criticism' to the part you quoted and kept it at just 'trying to silence'.

undeadsuitor:
I wouldn't say devolved, GG was always about women in gaming getting 'undeserved' attention. It was built off the back of the Quinnspiricy, a whole hubbabaloo about a girl getting good reviews by sleeping with men (men who never reviewed her game because logic). Hell, the whole gamergate name was coined by Adam Baldwin referring to the Quinnspriciy.

the 'ethics in gaming journalism' was just what they came up with when pressed for a legitimate grievance. It never devolved into bashing feminism. it just stopped pretending to be better than it actually is

I guess that's another way of looking at it. ^^;; It did indeed start with the Quinn incident. But it was more of the last drop for gamers being fed up with corruption in games media. Feminism and women's undeserved attention in games media was just making the problem worse.

Phoenixmgs:
I never got this GamerGate bullshit and I still don't. Games just like any other medium can be criticized and analyzed without restrictions. If you're having trouble discussing games, then find a community devoid of such bullshit. People claiming something like Horizon Zero Dawn is a SJW game is not worth your time anyways, just like whatever douche you bump into in real life that you ignore.

Where are you on male gamers being called misogynistic?

CaitSeith:

undeadsuitor:

Zhukov:

Hey now.

Despite being kinda-sorta popular among the wrong crowd, Boogie himself is a good egg.

I think his egg-ness is irrelevant when discussing the difference between male and female actors and presenters' appearances and how they factor into their careers.

I mean it's the Kevin James sitcom syndrome all over again. Guys aren't kept down because of their appearances in the same ways women are. Full stop. (I mean just look how people are comfortable making fun of how Anita looks, yet get their jimmies rustled if someone points out a fat guy is fat)

Yeah, but neither Anita nor Boogie deserve to be kept down for their appearance. And that wasn't pointing out that Boogie is fat. That was an uncalled bad joke.

Yeah, neither of them deserve that, but only one of them actually has to put up with that shit. Nobodies pointing out the elephant in the room when it's Boogie.

okay that was the last one I swear

Dreiko:
When someone acts in the way that she says victimizers act, that by definition disqualifies her from claims of victimhood because if that is so then she would be the first person to not want to act thus due to knowing how bad it is on the other end. I think that if she had just called people shitheads and went on with her life back 5 years ago none of this would have happened.

So standing up for herself is victimizing other people now?

I'm unsure if you're being intentionally obtuse here because you're missing the obvious but I'll repeat myself. Criticism and art-creation are different things. You don't bunch them together and treat them the same.

Critique cannot be a creative act in and of itself?

That is not the same as someone just getting up one day and deciding they'll change the world by badmouthing other people's works from a place of misinformation at best.

I'm inclined to believe Anita put a bit more thought into her videos than that. Do you know how bitter you sound?

Huh? No. Where did you get that?

The fact that your rhetoric borders on the anti-intellectual.

If anything, her severely lacking education with regards to gaming in favor of a social justice focused education is the issue here. She's not enough of a specialist to tackle the things she is and expect her opinions to be treated with respect.

By the same token, you obviously have no education in feminism or other social justice topics, limited understanding of art theory or criticism, and appear largely ignorant of modern mass media theory. So why should I take you seriously when you opine on these topics? What can you offer to prove I should take what you have to say seriously?

It's like those funny videos where people trip, you know they likely got hurt and that sucks but the act of falling over is hilarious. Those are basically intellectual trips that amuse me.

Ah, schadenfreude.

To see things differently means that we both are looking at the same thing but just take away a different impression. When one person is not actually looking at what we're supposed to be examining, however, the value to be had in inquiring about their different interpretation is lost because their interpretation is of something else, something I have zero interest in learning about as I am in the process of inquiring about the original thing we were both supposed to be examining.

But she is indeed looking at the games and taking away different impressions. That she is using the lens of feminism does not automatically disqualify her perceptions. Your refusal to want to learn new things is no fault of hers.

This is all supposed to be just about games and how games with more feminist values in them will be better or not. That's the only reason I participated. When you turn it into a politics subject that masquerades as being about gaming but actually only cares about society being more just, even if games don't improve at all in the process, you lose my interest and waste my time.

And where do you draw the line? Because from where I'm sitting it looks completely arbitrary.

Gamergate wasn't influential enough to ruin anything.

Sure, it created its own little industry of intellectually dishonest people that are constantly offended by everything, and think that all media should cater to them. But though it took a while to see it, it did eventually dawn on people that it's really just a small and very whiny group, that can be mostly left in their own caves in 4chan or Youtube channels like Sargon and Thunderfoot, and no one needs to pay attention to them. After that, gaming just kept moving along, and I think games as a whole are better now than they were before.

Games still seem pretty fine to me.

GG did a pretty good job of ruining The Escapist, though.

WeepingAngels:

Phoenixmgs:
I never got this GamerGate bullshit and I still don't. Games just like any other medium can be criticized and analyzed without restrictions. If you're having trouble discussing games, then find a community devoid of such bullshit. People claiming something like Horizon Zero Dawn is a SJW game is not worth your time anyways, just like whatever douche you bump into in real life that you ignore.

Where are you on male gamers being called misogynistic?

I really couldn't care less.

Phoenixmgs:

WeepingAngels:

Phoenixmgs:
I never got this GamerGate bullshit and I still don't. Games just like any other medium can be criticized and analyzed without restrictions. If you're having trouble discussing games, then find a community devoid of such bullshit. People claiming something like Horizon Zero Dawn is a SJW game is not worth your time anyways, just like whatever douche you bump into in real life that you ignore.

Where are you on male gamers being called misogynistic?

I really couldn't care less.

Surely you can understand gamers not accepting that label?

undeadsuitor:
I don't think Gamergate ruined games.

They would have had to actually had a palpable effect on games to have 'ruined' them. They would have had to have an effect on ANYTHING. Because looking back for all their leg kicking and fit having they accomplished nothing in the grand scheme of things.

ya can't ruin everything if you did nothing. *taps forehead*

Compare gaming websites( including this one) before and after gamergate and tell me there was no impact. We are still in the fallout of GG.

WeepingAngels:
Surely you can understand gamers not accepting that label?

Here's the thing though: most adults can look at themselves and realize when someone is specifically talking about them or not. If someone says "gamers are misogynist," my first reaction isn't to start hollering "HASHTAG NOTALLGAMERS Y'KNOW" because I don't take it personally since I don't act like a dickhead misogynist and it can also be assumed that not all gamers act that way. When those "Gamers 'r' Us Dead" articles came out my first reaction was "Huh, yeah I guess some gamers are shitbag jackoffs and the gaming audience is pretty diverse now" and not "ZOMG HOW DARE THEY" because I try to not be a shitty gamer. And if anyone says "All gamers are misogynist" then it's probably a safe bet you can tune them out because that is obviously not true.

Honestly, if someone saying "gamers are misogynist" upsets you, grow a thicker skin or else take some time to reflect on why you're upset because maybe, just maybe, the label accurately applies to you.

As for the OP, I side with people that say GG wasn't important or focused or even big enough to affect that much change. People are still reviewing games however they wish and games are as diverse as ever. It, by and large, doesn't exist outside of the Internet and almost every person I know who is a regular gamer has never heard of it. I would likely not have known were it not for the hordes who invaded this website, crowing on about it. Though Polygon did update their FAQs or whatever so congratulations on that grand win.

Chewster:

WeepingAngels:
Surely you can understand gamers not accepting that label?

Here's the thing though: most adults can look at themselves and realize when someone is specifically talking about them or not. If someone says "gamers are misogynist," my first reaction isn't to start hollering "HASHTAG NOTALLGAMERS Y'KNOW" because I don't take it personally since I don't act like a dickhead misogynist and it can also be assumed that not all gamers act that way. When those "Gamers 'r' Us Dead" articles came out my first reaction was "Huh, yeah I guess some gamers are shitbag jackoffs and the gaming audience is pretty diverse now" and not "ZOMG HOW DARE THEY" because I try to not be a shitty gamer. And if anyone says "All gamers are misogynist" then it's probably a safe bet you can tune them out because that is obviously not true.

Honestly, if someone saying "gamers are misogynist" upsets you, grow a thicker skin or else take some time to reflect on why you're upset because maybe, just maybe, the label accurately applies to you.

As for the OP, I side with people that say GG wasn't important or focused or even big enough to affect that much change. People are still reviewing games however they wish and games are as diverse as ever. It, by and large, doesn't exist outside of the Internet and almost every person I know who is a regular gamer has never heard of it. I would likely not have known were it not for the hordes who invaded this website, crowing on about it. Though Polygon did update their FAQs or whatever so congratulations on that grand win.

Yes, turn the other cheek. Well thanks for your advice.

CaitSeith:

I'd say it was pretty mean. He is levelheaded, and didn't deserve his fears come true. I'm glad that he knew how to properly face her.

I think, after watching the video, I can shed some light on why Anita would express mild disappointment to him thereby totally ruining him emotionally and forcing him to blab that moment of confrontation to his apparent 800,000 viewers (who, no doubt, also only really want to just talk about journalistic integrity but keep having to obsess over some youtube feminist instead)

The issue, from the way he tells it, seems to come from the point he tries to make that "all" people, regardless of race, gender or orientation can experience harassment. While obviously true, it is so frequently used as a derailing tactic to avoid talking more about the specific kind of sexually charged harassment that mostly only women face.

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