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Didn't these idiots learn their lesson with Windows Vista, or even their first generation Xbox 360s that have, what is it, a 50% death rate in the first three years? You can't rush this crap out the door. Make it work correctly first, THEN give it to us. Also, Firefox ftw. | |
Opera is better than both. | |
Who the hell uses IE anyway? BTW: How do you make money on internet browsers? | |
It does seem very representative of the whole 'downgrade to XP' saga when Vista was first released. Maybe they should stick with beta testing and just release a finish product in Windows 7. That should give them some time to get their crap together and release something that half the people using won't immediately delete. | |
I've used it (I need to use IE to admin my router, dont know why, just nothing else seems to work right*), and I've gotta say I can't see why it was released. It starts up a little faster, and I did do some light browsing of the web, and all I noticed was that it rendered websites dog slow. [rant on] I don't see why it even still exists this day and age. What with Chrome/Firefox/Opera, seems almost all the bases are covered (speed, customization, and... well OK I don't use Opera, but they're a huge competitor with Mozilla, and competition is always good), where does IE fit into any of this? It's nice for MS to be able to bundle their own browser with their OS (kind of like Konqueror), but all anyone I know uses it for is downloading Firefox. [/rant off] tl;dr version: I don't like it very much. | |
Wondering out loud here. How do you make a web browser 4 GIGABYTES? My Firefox folder is 25MB, with a fair number of add ons in their. Do the other browser piggyback stuff off Microsoft's operating system or is it just a case of M.Softs traditional programming efficiency? | |
Wow. Is anybody really surprised? | |
its like someone stands over these programmers and whips them to get it done faster and faster so what comes out is pure dribble with a colorful layout. | |
No. No we're not. I realized how total the worldwide rejection of IE was when I was watching America's Most Wanted, and when they showed a picture of their website on TV, it was in a Firefox browser window. I also use Google Chrome on occasion, though it also tends to have severe loading times and regularly freezes up and won't close. But my computer sucks, so... | |
I can hardly wait for the 25 GB patch to fix this up! I kinda like the old Internet Explorer, because it reminds me of the Millennium Falcon: A busted up hunk of junk that everyone laughs at, but every once in a while - when you hit it with a wrench - it can jump to hyperspace. | |
4GB... Are they stupid, or high? Or maybe both? Why the hell would I want a browser like that, when I can get my Firefox Portable?! | |
I use chrome as for me it starts up alot faster than FF. Plus I love having google search integrated in everything. Opera is also really good and pretty light on ram. | |
Yes. | |
I tried the new IE beta for multi-browser tests on my website (which few people seem to do). I used it for 5 min, it crashed, and I went back to Chrome (I like the uncluttered interface Okay). | |
I'm honestly not surprised. People in our society are just too rushed. People demand everything too quickly and don't follow the blizzard strategy. It has only been recently that I have switched to Firefox(3 weeks) and while I notice a difference it still is hard to say that I like it over IE. All these promises of giving a good product is nice but you have to be able to follow through and clearly it isn't just the video game industy that is having these problems. Managers need to be able to tell their superiors that there are just too many flaws with the program for the product to be released, contract or no contract. It is common sense that if you are better off keeping a customer if you are straightforward with them that you will keep them. If the customer just wants to try and get the same service faster despite losing quality then you are better off not having that customer because he will just move around the next time he is dissatisfied. I'm shocked that a program like IE could be so large though. | |
I'm shocked too, seeing as it's a 13MB download... where did the 4GB figure come from, because it's not in the IW article? | |
Forgive me for appearing clueless, but I've run into exactly none of the problems cited. I was running the beta on my (900MHz Celeron, 1GB RAM, 800x480 WVGA, 40GB HD) laptop and saw better performance on it than I saw with IE7. (I'll admit that I didn't check the disc space it used, but the download was much shorter than a 4 gig and I think I'd notice that much space vanishing on such a tiny hard drive.) Now that I've upgraded it to the final release, I see a small improvement. There is also a "compatibility button" you can click if the web page looks strange, which reverts it to an IE7ish interpretation. I used it a lot in the beta, sadly, but I haven't had to use it yet since upgrading. I have no complaints. -- Steve | |
This is exactly why I use Safari. | |
Wooh! Another Opera fan! It's good to see other people use it too. | |
This one mentions it. My minimalist installation of it is only consuming 5Mb. Grabbed it to confirm that yes, IE still is not CSS compliant. | |
IE is a stumbling block. | |
Now this is sad. This actually makes Blizzard look like saints because they shut up about their release dates on games and patches, taking their sweet, sweet time with making sure they're actually competently made (only to make players discover the aforementioned patches only ruin World of Warcraft even more than it already is). | |
IE a failure of the highest caliber | |
Just use Chrome, firefox, safari, opera, or pretty much anything other than IE, it just plain sucks. | |
Which CSS is that? I would love you to say Cascading Style Sheets, but hopefully even Microsoft have got that far. | |
Yes, Cascading Style Sheets. You can create a style that will render fine in all other browsers, but gaze upon it in IE and you will witness bedlam. Your only recourse is a variety of 'IE hacks' that people have discovered to re-style certain things only when IE sees it, or load a completely seperate CSS file entirely. Have a look at the Google search for IE margin inheritance for one such example. | |
I'm no MS fanboy, but I've been using IE8 since it was released and have not had any problems. I also can't say that it is any faster than other browsers or IE7, or that it renders pages any better because most web developers are smart enough to test their sites on FF as well as IE. The most I can say is it passed the Acid test, but other than that it's barely different than IE7. | |
I found the Bessler post that article references, and it seems like this 4GB figure has only been seen by one person who happens to have posted it on MSDN. I'm guessing that he installed IE, Vista/XP did a system restore and that took up 4GB so he assumed that all 4GB was taken up by IE, which seems a bit silly. Yes, I can confirm that it still handles CSS like crap but it only seems to have taken up 5MB in the IE folder. The rest of it is probably updating the Trident engine. I'm sticking with Opera. | |
Thank you, glad to know there's still some people out there who still enjoy using it. | |
I suppose it's OK for going to the corner store and back but you'd have to be insane to do any serious web surfing with older browser versions (ANY brand). And I'm not buying any of that "well if you know what you're doing it's easy to stay safe" bullcrap since exploits these days don't necessarily require you to be stupid or have ActiveX enabled. The first thing I tell anyone that asks me how to prevent their systems from becoming compromised is to keep your software up to date. | |
*Ahem* I use IE. I find it convinient and easy to use. I have tried to use firefox but there is no obvious way to make tabs. Firefox was also conceived by AOL, something that sent me running the other way. I dislike Google as it stole the Search Engine market away from Ask (although I won't deny that Ask made its own mistakes). What's wrong with IE? You seem to post about it like IE is some sort of plague. | |
obvious like opening the file menu and selecting new tab?
i'm too lazy to list all the reasons, so i found someone else who did a fairly decent job for me. | |
Yeah. I like the darker interface I found for Opera, and the fact that I can lock the tabs, restore closed ones from a list, and other things, with ease. | |
4 gigabytes!? Whoa! | |
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New Internet Explorer Hits Stumbling Blocks
Problems in the latest version of Internet Explorer have sent users running back to downgrade to IE7.
IE8 promised many things - increased speed, security and ease of use - in order to try and win back some of Microsoft's browser market share after many users transferred to Firefox and other browsers.
According to Information Week though, the launch has already seen hardcore fans rush back to IE7 after numerous problems developed in less than a week. Complaints included long boot times, issues printing from websites, search malfunctions and image problems. There's also the fact that 4 gigabytes of disk space is an awful lot for a browser.
Within one day the following appeared:
A lot of these problems come directly from Microsoft's new publishing standards (the way that web pages appear) with some users reporting that as the web is mostly built on other packages, IE8's interpretation of the web looks off-kilter at times. Embarrassingly, even MS Publisher failed to render properly in the new browser.
At release 2.59% of the total browser market share had switched to the free IE8, but by Monday, this number had already fallen to 1.86%.
Even though Microsoft currently holds two-thirds of the browser market, IE's market share is 24% off its peak - with 22% having switched to its biggest new threat, Mozilla's Firefox.
Source: Monsters and Critics
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