Amazon, eBay Now Prohibiting R4 Sales

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Amazon, eBay Now Prohibiting R4 Sales

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Nintendo made significant headway in its crusade against the sale of DS flashcarts like the R4 when it revealed today that eBay and Amazon are now prohibiting sales of all flashcart devices.

While Nintendo's still a long ways away from getting the United States to declare the R4 DS flashcart illegal like they now are in Japan, the company is making big strides in its quest to get these devices, which allow DS users to play homebrew games as well as pirate retail ones, banned from the American marketplace. Recently, the company announced that it has convinced eBay and Amazon to prohibit sales of the R4 and similar products.

"Nintendo is pleased with the co-operation it has received from both eBay and Amazon to prevent the sales of game copying devices," Nintendo of America's head of anti-piracy Jodie Daughtery told MCV.

While independent retailers pledged to cease sales last year, Amazon and eBay continued to allow them until now. Not that Amazon was selling these things directly: sales were taking place in the Amazon Marketplace, where third-party businesses can hock their wares on Amazon with the site taking a commission.

"We have a 'notice and take down' process at Amazon," Amazon UK games director Chris Poad explained. "So where a third party believes that their IP has been infringed, they can highlight it and we can take it down. This is what happened in the case of the R4."

eBay, meanwhile, maintained that it prohibits sellers from listing any "hardware or software that allows people to make unauthorized copies of copyrighted games," and are removing any listings for flashcarts.

Of course anyone who's got a little bit of knowledge about how to navigate the back alleys of the internet or lives close to a store that just doesn't care what Nintendo thinks can still find a flashcart, but with independent retailers already committed to banning sales and now two major and easily accessible online retailers stepping in line with Nintendo, it just got a bit harder to buy an R4 in the US.

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It's a good thing that they do that. The R4 (and everything like it) basically destroys the DS games market.

How can they do this? I used to think these devices could not be called 'illegal' because legitimate data can be stored on them.

As a R4 owner and user Im AMAZED Nintendo didnt do this earlier. To be fair theyve left it too late, dont forget 90% of american DS owners have one ;)

Legitimately its really piss poor cause nintendo are way to slow and monolithic to develop the awesomeness of their little handheld. Without the R4 I couldnt read my books, comics or watch movies and TV :(

Brotherofwill:
How can they do this? I used to think these devices could not be called 'illegal' because legitimate data can be stored on them.

A company can choose to sell or not sell anything they want. If Amazon, eBay wanted to stop selling cheese. They are within their rights to do so. The cards themselves are not illegal yet(except in Japan), they are simply not going to carry them is all.

Keane Ng:

eBay, meanwhile, maintained that it prohibits sellers from listing any "hardware or software that allows people to make unauthorized copies of copyrighted games,"

Unless Ebay has never sold any computer hardware at all this is utter bullshit.

Slycne:

Brotherofwill:
How can they do this? I used to think these devices could not be called 'illegal' because legitimate data can be stored on them.

A company can choose to sell or not sell anything they want. If Amazon, eBay wanted to stop selling cheese. They are within their rights to do so. The cards themselves are not illegal yet(except in Japan), they are simply not going to carry them is all.

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification.

Nimbus:

Keane Ng:

eBay, meanwhile, maintained that it prohibits sellers from listing any "hardware or software that allows people to make unauthorized copies of copyrighted games,"

Unless Ebay has never sold any computer hardware at all this is utter bullshit.

That's what I thought. Ever heard of a rewritable CD?

Brotherofwill:
How can they do this? I used to think these devices could not be called 'illegal' because legitimate data can be stored on them.

Technically the R4 is an interface device that allows the DS to read Micro SDs, an innovation Nintendo IS JUST NOW grasping with the DSi.

What the SD card is used for is an entirely different matter depending on the person, nor do I really expect Nintendo to harness the capabilities of what could be done with their system. Their shunning of homebrew is pretty much a slap in the face of their fans, allowing Microsoft to shine in the area.

I personally refuse to use an R4. I much prefer buying my games and smelling the inside of the box...The manual is the best. Seriously! Smell it! its the best in the world. New game smell. Applies for EVerything - PC, Xbox, PS3, PSP, (Not GB(A) ) DS...It really makes you feel like, well, a gamer. Like those days you realise youve been playing TF2 for eight hours without stopping...or maybe thats just me, Cause I love TF2. Incidentally...Due to complications I cant play the PC version right now, WHICH FUCKING PISSES ME OFF BECAUSE OF THE TOURNAMENT >:(

See, this tears me because while I hate pirating, I love homebrews and I wish there was a Nintendo supported way to create your own games without the stigma of probably being a pirate because you want this particular item.

Though to be honest I haven't tried to use or make any homebrews on the DS, but I love supporting the little guy.

Vlane:
The R4 (and everything like it) basically destroys the DS games market.

I doubt 99% of DS owners have even heard of the R4.

This move seems kinda pointless since anyone who wanted one would have bought it months if not years ago.

What's the point? I'm sure someone else will just sell them.

Good. There is no legitimate reason to own these for anything other than piracy and unauthorized homebrew.

This is shit.

I already have 2 R4's. But still.

You know you are desperate for money when ...

harhol:

Vlane:
The R4 (and everything like it) basically destroys the DS games market.

I doubt 99% of DS owners have even heard of the R4.

This move seems kinda pointless since anyone who wanted one would have bought it months if not years ago.

I've never heard of one.

Seems like the device is used primarily for piracy, so I would be against it. Though it could have been made for other purposes so I won't judge it, at least until I learn more about it.

Jimmyjames:
Good. There is no legitimate reason to own these for anything other than piracy and unauthorized homebrew.

What about authorized homebrew?

iJosh:
This is shit.

I already have 2 R4's. But still.

You know you are desperate for money when ...

It's not about being desperate for money, stop acting petulant. Look I think it's kind of a shitty decision too because it hurts the homebrew community, but blaming Nintendo for taking a legitimate stance against software piracy is pointless. Blame the pirates, they're the ones who ruined it.

Jimmyjames:
Good. There is no legitimate reason to own these for anything other than piracy and unauthorized homebrew.

Unauthorized homebrew is a legitimate reason.

-- Alex

AceDiamond:

iJosh:
This is shit.

I already have 2 R4's. But still.

You know you are desperate for money when ...

It's not about being desperate for money, stop acting petulant. Look I think it's kind of a shitty decision too because it hurts the homebrew community, but blaming Nintendo for taking a legitimate stance against software piracy is pointless. Blame the pirates, they're the ones who ruined it.

Well I doubt this has left much of a dent in Nintendos sales. The DS certainly isn't declining in the hand held market. So while it definitely saves them some profits, it does so at the cost of shutting down the community. I'm not sure the profits they get from this warrants the action. People criticize Nintendo for not caring about the fans.

I hope that the R4 and other piracy supporting devices are banned worldwide. Even in countries that don't have piracy issues!

harhol:

Vlane:
The R4 (and everything like it) basically destroys the DS games market.

I doubt 99% of DS owners have even heard of the R4.

This is true. The DS's market is absolutely gigantic, and a significant portion of them will have no idea what an R4 is. In any case, it's not like Amazon refusing to sell it will make any difference at this stage. Anyone who wanted in R4 will have one by this stage, and despite this, Nintendo are still raking in unholy amounts of money from the DS. While I'm firmly against piracy, Nintendo are hardly losing money over this.

harhol:

Vlane:
The R4 (and everything like it) basically destroys the DS games market.

I doubt 99% of DS owners have even heard of the R4.

90% Of American DS users use an R4. Sad :/

mikecoulter:
90% Of American DS users use an R4. Sad :/

Do you have a source for that?

harhol:

mikecoulter:
90% Of American DS users use an R4. Sad :/

Do you have a source for that?

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/36430/90-of-American-DS-Owners-Are-Pirates

It was also on the BBC at one point I believe.

mikecoulter:
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/36430/90-of-American-DS-Owners-Are-Pirates

It was also on the BBC at one point I belive.

John Hillier, manager of ELSPA's Intellectual Property Crime Unit, says [...] "The implications are massive. In America it's thought 90 per cent of Nintendo DS users are playing pirated games because of R4s."

I don't think the opinion of an anti-piracy organisation representative holds any weight, especially given the lack of statistical evidence. It's "thought"...? By whom? Surely it'd be impossible to know how many R4s are in circulation, let alone in use?

I mean...90%? I refuse to believe that an overwhelming majority of teenage girls, kids under ten and old people are playing Harvest Moon using an R4. There was probably a survey on Gamespot which ten people replied to, nine of whom admitted to owning one.

Alex_P:

Jimmyjames:
Good. There is no legitimate reason to own these for anything other than piracy and unauthorized homebrew.

Unauthorized homebrew is a legitimate reason.

-- Alex

How so? I'm legitimately asking, how so? Isn't unauthorized homebrewing basically just plain piracy or is it something else entirely?

harhol:

mikecoulter:
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/36430/90-of-American-DS-Owners-Are-Pirates

It was also on the BBC at one point I belive.

John Hillier, manager of ELSPA's Intellectual Property Crime Unit, says [...] "The implications are massive. In America it's thought 90 per cent of Nintendo DS users are playing pirated games because of R4s."

I don't think the opinion of an anti-piracy organisation representative holds any weight, especially given the lack of statistical evidence. It's "thought"...? By whom? Surely it'd be impossible to know how many R4s are in circulation, let alone in use?

I mean...90%? I refuse to believe that an overwhelming majority of teenage girls, kids under ten and old people are playing Harvest Moon using an R4. There was probably a survey on Gamespot which ten people replied to, nine of whom admitted to owning one.

Very true. There is also the fact that Nintendo would be able to keep themselves on a diet of liquid money if only 1 out of every 10 DS's were printing money :P

Alex_P:
Unauthorized homebrew is a legitimate reason.

-- Alex

Not legally, it isn't.

Anyone know another place where I can get one? :]

Jumplion:

How so? I'm legitimately asking, how so? Isn't unauthorized homebrewing basically just plain piracy or is it something else entirely?

In DS's case, all homebrewing is unauthorized by Nintendo. No law forbids you from coding your own software for the platform, though.

Jimmyjames:

Not legally, it isn't.

Tell me then, what law forbids me from making homebrew apps for the Nintendo DS?

Jimmyjames:

Alex_P:
Unauthorized homebrew is a legitimate reason.

Not legally, it isn't.

Only if you adhere to a particular pretzel-logic rights-annihilating reading of the DMCA that has yet to be fully proven in court.

-- Alex

Why are some people so obsessed with legality? Borrowing a game off your friend is illegal. Playing a CD in public is illegal. The law is stupid, especially in the case of anything related to copyright.

Jimmyjames:
Good. There is no legitimate reason to own these for anything other than piracy and unauthorized homebrew.

I suppose you are opposed to indie pc games too because microsoft never specifically game them permission to use windows for them either?

Woe Is You:

Jimmyjames:

Not legally, it isn't.

Tell me then, what law forbids me from making homebrew apps for the Nintendo DS?

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act may or may not have provisions that would prevent homebrew apps. Hell, it can prevent everything else...but that depends on how you interpret the law. Actually 99.9% of the law is up for interpretation given how obscure the language is. So far, there have been no court cases to set a precedent.

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