Rape Games Banned in Japan

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A few things that bother me about this movement. While I agree that these games are extreme and I personally wouldn't play them but where does it end? Will violence be next? Sex? Or perhaps even good old fashioned puzzle games. What I mean is while some people may find these fictional encounters stimulating, others avoid it. It's people that are in control of their actions, not the creators of (again, I emphasize) fictional situations. Perhaps these games could help rape victims cope with their encounters. My point is, where one finds a flaw, others find a tool. When humanity finally evolves past their simplistic notions of what's acceptable and what's not they'll finally grasp reality and understand that no media is to be held accountable for an individuals actions. Think about this for a moment. This genre may be halted but that won't eliminate rape porn found strewn across the internet for 19.95 (random number). All I see accomplished here is a powerful idiotic display of ignorance fueled by further ignorance. The longer I live this life, the more I come to despise humanities current state. This is no different than a witch hunt. I hope that once they've accomplished their illogical goals they'll understand just what fools they've been.

Claim all the idiocies you want about my bold comments. Eventually, mankind will look back at these times and witness just how simple man was, and laugh as we do at those of the past. This vicious cycle will end, but sadly not in my lifetime.

I looked at this post to edit spelling errors and realized that I've finally accomplished my life long dream. To coin a phrase to fully explain my feelings of mankind.

"Mankind will look back at these times and witness just how simple man was, and laugh as we do at those of the past."

So, while this topic may be dark, it brought forth one simple man's dream come true. Perhaps this will allow a few people to realize that even in the darkest of situations, there's always room for enlightenment.

One other extremely important bit of knowledge I failed to point out.

While eliminating the knowledge of such things as rape and violence you create one very important mistake. You leave those out there with confusing emotions that cannot be revealed to others due to shame and/or fear. You end up creating the monsters you fought so hard to eliminate. Those who will eventually act upon these confusing emotions and create the very situations hidden from mans eyes. While this sounds contradictory to my comment of those being held accountable for their own actions, I must point out that in the one hand the person had a choice and in the other..... You made the choice for them.

So, you can see my reason for my boldness.

I couldn't imagine there being *any* sort of market for this, but then there's honestly very little one could say about the Japanese that would surprise me. Accepting that it does exist however, it's incredible that it took international outrage before the censors board in Japan thought that *maybe* this kind of game is actually inappropriate. And still it reports that it's not actually illegal, merely against the rules of the opt-in ratings board. Hope they do fully illegalise this sort of thing, it has no place on the shelves of game stores.

I read through quite a bit of the thread and I have one thing to say. I'm not touching that.

Then here's a question for those people who disagree with the banning of rape games that involve women.
What if they made games where men were being raped by other men, or men/women could rape kids? Do you have a problem with that?
And no, this isn't a stupid point. Rape is rape, no matter who or what it's done too. If a person is against the banning of a game that promotes the rape of a female victim, but if for the banning of a game that has same sex scenarios or kids, then there is something wrong with you.

http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/06/02/production-and-sale-of-rape-games-will-be-banned/

The implication here is that while there seems to be a unanamious movement to ban the games, it's still questionable how far they are willing to go.

crypt-creature:
Then here's a question for those people who disagree with the banning of rape games that involve women.
What if they made games where men were being raped by other men, or men/women could rape kids? Do you have a problem with that?
And no, this isn't a stupid point. Rape is rape, no matter who or what it's done too. If a person is against the banning of a game that promotes the rape of a female victim, but if for the banning of a game that has same sex scenarios or kids, then there is something wrong with you.

You think games like that arent already mass produced :P check out somethingawful they have a whole review section on shit like that it dose exist en masse in japan.

Well, I never heard of this genre before today, and am already against it. GO CENSORSHIP!

Also, whilst my opinions on Japan as a country stay the same, I have become shocked by their standards for porn (and entertainment in general) once again.

Slightly off topic but still in relation to Japan's weird laws. I was told in Japan it is legal to have and distribute child porn but illegal to make it? Weird huh. Kinda poses a paradox. About the game though, I don't think it should be banned and I'm not an advocate for the game. Not much point me putting up a text wall to explain this as it's been done heaps of times on this thread already. Sorry for the bad grammer! In a rush!

Nmil-ek:

crypt-creature:
Then here's a question for those people who disagree with the banning of rape games that involve women.
What if they made games where men were being raped by other men, or men/women could rape kids? Do you have a problem with that?
And no, this isn't a stupid point. Rape is rape, no matter who or what it's done too. If a person is against the banning of a game that promotes the rape of a female victim, but if for the banning of a game that has same sex scenarios or kids, then there is something wrong with you.

You think games like that arent already mass produced :P check out somethingawful they have a whole review section on shit like that it dose exist en masse in japan.

Never thought they didn't exist, but have personally never heard of any. Which wasn't really the point of my post anyway, since the original post was a little more specific in gender than it was to the over all subject of rape.
Plus I didn't feel the question need to be reworded, it's better to make these types a things a 'what if' question rather than a full blown statement.
And I didn't care :p

The Youth Counselor:
I'm someone who argues in favor 99.99999% of the time for the freedom of expression and that a virtual simulation and real life act are completely separate. But I gotta say, It's about damn time.

this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry[/b]

:facepalms

in japan many people like hentai SO...........

:double facepalms

crypt-creature:
Then here's a question for those people who disagree with the banning of rape games that involve women.
What if they made games where men were being raped by other men, or men/women could rape kids? Do you have a problem with that?
And no, this isn't a stupid point. Rape is rape, no matter who or what it's done too. If a person is against the banning of a game that promotes the rape of a female victim, but if for the banning of a game that has same sex scenarios or kids, then there is something wrong with you.

i invite all women to come rape me save me the trouble of finding them

"in japan many people like hentai SO..........."

Do you have statistics to back it up?

I... never even knew these kinds of games existed! I knew there was something missing from my life! How the hell am I going to catch up on all these missed years!!!
In other news, probably a good thing, although I am a little worried that this might result in more actual rape cases.

I'm of the opinion, like some of the other people posting, that so long as it's not hurting anyone, then it really shouldn't be a problem

Although, I will agree, this game is definitely not helping gaming's image. Then again, most attacks against gaming are just sensationalism anyways, and most intelligent people will see right through it

On the topic of whether murder or rape is a worse crime: I personally know two people who have been raped, one of which is in my immediate family, the other is a close friend. Both of the rapes happened many years ago, and while I know it's in the vast minority, they both went on to live normal lives.

I'm of the opinion that rape, while still horrible, isn't as bad as murder, because at least the victims still have the chance to lead their lives; There will always be that percentage of people, no matter how small, who will be able to move on

Look, here's my two cents.
The world is not a pretty, sugar-coated, mega-PC place. Rape, murder, mayhem, pillaging, drug abuse, bad parenting and George W. Bush fucking happen. Why should they not happen in video games?
To hold video games (and other forms of media for that matter) up to such a standard that they can no longer reflect the society in which they are created is fucking tripe. I do not plan on playing this game anytime soon, but I don't feel it should be banned.
Is it sick? Absolutely. Depraved? Hells to the yeah. Ban-worthy? No.

Ummmm.... Why is Japan bowing to America and Britain?
I'm an American and I absolutely hate my country for getting involved in everyone else's business. It's no wonder every country hates us and wants us dead. While most of the citizens of the US don't deserve it, the entire government sure does. For a better world, I hope Japan nukes the entire US. I'll sacrifice myself to end the BS the US pulls.

I am NOT saying I condone rape. Rape is the worst possible crime. However, games are games, they are NOT real life. These games may give people a way to let out their urges without ever harming another person. That's a good thing in my mind.

Hell the games aren't actually banned, its just some over sensational news program that said it. Japan is going on its merry way making all kinds of games like this, regardless of other countries.

There is 34 rapevictims for every 100000 people in Canada (28 in the US), and 0.4 in Japan.

I would say that rape is almost a nonproblem in Japan, there must be something more important for them to focus on...

( and i agree,"I am NOT saying I condone rape. Rape is the worst possible crime. However, games are games, they are NOT real life. These games may give people a way to let out their urges without ever harming another person.")

This issue is really a double edged sword it depends on how you look at it. I'm not condoning rape nor would I ever play RapeLay (and other games of the sort) but it's goes far beyond that its not a matter of content its a matter of principle. If you are going to ban games that contain rape I would also want to know why there isn't a ban on books (graphic novel or plain text) that contain rape, movies that contain rape or (more specifically in japan) Adult pornography that contains fictionalized rape.

It really is very odd that you are saying that games like this normalize and condone rape and then do nothing (or say nothing at least) about other forms of media that have the exact same portrayal of the rape seen in the game. Its not normalizing rape because the rape in the game isn't seen as something happy go lucky, its still more than likely very graphic and very wrong (as it should be) does that mean it's been normalized? No. Murder is also another heinous crime yet how much of all of our forms of media pull and use violence as an attraction? Almost everything. Nobody seems to even care about this just slap on an R or M rating so the kiddies don't see it right? As if children aren't already exposed to murder and death and killing as something fictionally OK at the age of 14.

Like somebody stated before the rape count of people in Japan is something like 0.4 per 100,000 people. Honestly that statistic doesn't mean anything, yes its incredibly low but you have to remember that's rape that is REPORTED. Japan is a very different society you can't assume that everybody will go an report a rape as often as they will in the US or Canada due to the way their society works it's hard to explain but if you know what I'm talking about you understand what I mean.

I'm all for free speech even if it has content like this that's what's good about it that stuff like this can exist. Am I saying that rape is right? No. However I'm more worried about where if stuff like this is getting banned (heinous as it may be) where does it end? Does murder and killing and violence go next just because its "not right"? You really have to stop focusing on what the content of this case was and look at it as a whole to see that this is really an encroachment on thought how to think rather than what we do and what is right. I know rape is a bad thing but does thinking about raping somebody or playing a fictional game normalize it? I don't really know I guess you have to look at is from your own angle I guess I'm somewhere in the middle

10-20% of the PC gaming market? Dude... wtf is wrong with Japanese?

Good morning blues:
Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

EDIT: Even better is the fact that it's being banned by industry policy and not legislation.

My feelings exactly.

Zyrell- not arguing with you, but I think the problem lies in what rape is and how its portrayed in game. If it was for dramatic effect, one scene, or an illusion to such a thing, to maybe add more depth to character, created a horric tragedy to drive characters to revenage and all that. But in the case of rapelay, its for sexual gratification and nothing else.

Protraying a rape in movies or television, is almost always an attempt to make the audience or viewer uncomfortable, to achieve an emotional response. In the case of making rape a game play mechanic, or even a goal, its where the line is crossed.

In terms of other violence, usually the character is forced in a situation that warrents the use of lethal force, such a war, gang violence, or undead horde. Because its hard, a trial by fire, how many legends across so many cultures tell of great men doing really awful things to scores of others dudes for glory and riches? We love those guys.

While in a case of rape, you're actively seeking a victim, easist target. For your own pleasure.

No one in their right mind would ever compare Call of duty's violence or Bioshock's(sex scene), with Rapelay or another mentioned rape game title.

The line really is only crossed where rape goes from something that could happen via the story line, to putting the player in the shoes of a rapist. One clearly isn't right, while another might be risky and warrent a AO rating but could be considered protected speech.

GTA isn't far from a prison rape scene, and it will fall perfectly under "freedom of expression" as long as it never cross the line into mini game.

I think I said something coherent in all that

Xshu:
I can't help but think Japan's rape rate is so low because the women there are taught to make less of a big deal out of it when they are sexually harassed. The infamous subway gropings are a good example. While they have warning signs telling women about the gropings, they also ask the women not to raise a fuss if it happens to them. Rape instills an undeserved sense of shame on the victim as it is, and shame in Japan is a bigger deal than it is in the west. I'll bet a lot of women simply don't say anything in the hope that nobody will learn of "their shame"

Interesting point. Sounds more likely than the games solving the problems.

The idea of rape games and the fact that they've been around for a few years now sickens me. I'm of the opinion that rape is worse than killing because there's plenty of motives for killing and ways that it can be justified, but there's absolutly no way to justify rape and the motive just boils down to the rapist being a filthy waste of protein. Normally I'm totally against censorship, but in this case I can see some justification (although I'm still not 100% sure).
I am however curious about the point of the games lowering the actual rape rate (if this is actually the reason for low number). I know that playing violent games makes me feel noticably less aggressive afterwards, so I wouldn't put this excuse as being completely unfounded.

"Like somebody stated before the rape count of people in Japan is something like 0.4 per 100,000 people. Honestly that statistic doesn't mean anything, yes its incredibly low but you have to remember that's rape that is REPORTED. Japan is a very different society you can't assume that everybody will go an report a rape as often as they will in the US or Canada due to the way their society works it's hard to explain but if you know what I'm talking about you understand what I mean."

Japan needs to underreport rape rates at around SEVENTY TIMES that of Canada in order to equal the numbers (if you use the UN figures).

Also, here are the (leaked) contents of the recent EOCS meeting

# Words such as "training" (調教) or "slave" are not allowed in the title or packaging
# CG involving sexual violation cannot exceed 20% of a game's content
# Even if it's below 20%, anything that is promoting a criminal offense is not allowed
# Anything that promotes rape, confinement, stalking, domestic violence, and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed
# New games that have already passed the review process by the EOCS are considered "safe" from this
# Regulations stated in the fax are completely different from what was being discussed in the emergency meeting yesterday
# New regulations starts 5th of June

Apparently the pressure for regulations actually hit the shops and suppliers first it came to the EOCS. Some are unhappy because there wasn't a real proper general meeting held and there was no vote to decide on the details. However rape actually makes a small fraction of the industry so there might not actually be a big uproar.

This looks really bad.

Oh yeah, hypnosis is okay, apparently.

There is, it's a technical term. Example: prostitution, drug usage- both 'crimes' where there is no victim. Virtual rape would be among these.

This kinda just shows how big much of perverts there are in Japan compared to America

I like how people saying we shouldn't ban this sort of crap from the market. I HATE rape. I don't think we should show rape in a scene in a movie, thats just my thinking. It just sicken me when some person gets rape, and now they made a game of it? Come on people its rape. Its 10x worst then killing someone. Like everyone said before me about it. Im all up for banning this game. I hate some censorship in games, but killing someone when their trying to kill you is very different to raping someone.

Also, don't you think someone might want to try to go rape someone? Cause its different from shooters and such cause when your playing them, at times your shooting something non-human. And its kindof hard to get a gun at times if the parents actually gives a damn about their kid, plus mostly a adult I believe would play this game. Not a kid, unless the kid got it somehow from the parent. But anyways, a adult or teen would play this game, now most of the time, they know blood and the death are fake, but what about rape? your not killing the person, your having sex with them against their will. So what if the person actually want to try it for real to see what it like? But I bet most of you who "want" this game to exist then your going to argue that shooters are just as bad.

So to those who trying to "argue" about saying murder is just as bad as rape, prove to me that its the same. Prove that if you shoot someone when they try to shoot you is just as bad as rape. Also most games today, you are "killing" a robot, monster, alien, etc. So my two cents is just ban rape.

Now in movies, if a person is "rape" I don't want to see it. I don't mind if they say the person was rape, would just give me another reason to hate that person(Cause I know that jackass is going to get killed at the end..hopefully), but I don't want to see the part of that person being rape, cause then I will feel sick to my stomach and I don't want to watch the rest of the movie.

Should have been gotten rid of a long time ago.

How to describe Japan in 10 letters
:Facepalm:

They want to get rid of the Rape games because they "Denigrate the status of women". So after the rape games are gone, then they'll have to go after hentai, probably first anime, then manga. Of course, if you're going to ban hentai, then you may as well go for all fantasy porn, so that's all fan fiction, artwork, and online role playing. After you've done that, you have to move on to the porn industry, because that's the only leg left. Of course, get enough support and they'll buckle to the pressure, and then you can move onto the real threat: Free thought. Then you can type up a new constitution with the first amendment being the right to bear arms, and everyone will be happy.

Extremely unlikely? Yeah, but then so was the evolution of the human race and it worked, so why couldn't this.

Just sad.

Bout time someone did something.

Take away the rape games from japan?

Is no sacred ground safe from these rabid censorship mongrols? What next, no classical nude paintings in public buildins?

(half serious. I dont really like rape games but i feel they have a right to exist if the ultra-violence games can)

I hate to be the one to tell you this, and there's no easy way to do it, but supporting this movement is a disasterously BAD IDEA. I'm generally the last one to endorse rape in any form, but this platform is only a stepping stone. At first people were campaining against violence in video games, then they moved down to sex in video games, and now they're down to rape. Protesters are looking for the limit where gamers will be 100% willing to go against a genre so they can "island-hop" up the morality scale. By supporting the banning of these kind of games you are telling people that it is ok to just up and ban questionable content whenever they feel offended, and that is not how democracy works my friends.

It's fine to oppose fake rape, but free expression is more important than fake anything.

Cliff_m85:

13lackfriday:
Urgh, that cover really doesn't help the porno business's case.
Spells out the whole predatory nature of this kind of entertainment...almost as bad as those cases in the US involving men found with pedophilic material who got off on some very shrewd nitpicking on the part of their lawyers.

If this kind of niche entertainment has to exist, they could at least be a little more discreet about it.
They've been around too long, comfortable under the indifference of government.

Cliff_m85:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.

That's just going to entice people to try the real thing when they're through with the pixels.

So what you're saying is that we are all potential rapists and it just takes a few pixels to convince us to try the real thing?

What a disgusting look at humanity!

It's only human nature.
And we, as humans, are really just animals too, with the same instincts and impulses.

You give someone a taste of something, they'll want more.
Virtual recreations have their limits.

Westerners are really stupid. You think rape games really got banned in Japan? If there is money to be made aint shit getting banned in Japan dummies.

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