Rape Games Banned in Japan

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I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.

13lackfriday:

Cliff_m85:

13lackfriday:
Urgh, that cover really doesn't help the porno business's case.
Spells out the whole predatory nature of this kind of entertainment...almost as bad as those cases in the US involving men found with pedophilic material who got off on some very shrewd nitpicking on the part of their lawyers.

If this kind of niche entertainment has to exist, they could at least be a little more discreet about it.
They've been around too long, comfortable under the indifference of government.

Cliff_m85:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.

That's just going to entice people to try the real thing when they're through with the pixels.

So what you're saying is that we are all potential rapists and it just takes a few pixels to convince us to try the real thing?

What a disgusting look at humanity!

It's only human nature.
And we, as humans, are really just animals too, with the same instincts and impulses.

You give someone a taste of something, they'll want more.
Virtual recreations have their limits.

Actually it's not human nature and it's a disgusting thought that everybody has a hidden rapist deep down inside of them and that any small enticement would bring it out of them.

I play Grand Theft Auto, but I'm never inclined to steal a vehicle or murder someone.
I drink alcohol occassionally, but never to excess. (Having a taste, want more claim)

Obviously we are animals, but we actually don't have the same instincts and impulses. We have a complex moral system and a sense of our own mortality that hinders certain behaviours for most people.

Outcast107:
I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.

Freedom of Speech, besides screaming fire in a theater or whatnot, can never go too far.

It's fantasy and it's not harming anyone. Pixels and animation....that's all it is.

I think there's a justification of certain kinds of otherwise 'reprehensible behaviour' with context and artistic license. The 'killing' in an FPS is generally fantastical, with you facing hordes of indistinct opponents generally in a very stylised and explicitly fictional setting. And even then, the killing is generally incidental to the plot and meaning of the game itself. GTA, for example, is something of a counter-cultural phenomenon that legitimises itself on the basis of society's declaration of it as anathema. Yet even within this, the 'crimes' within it generally exist as part of a coherent narrative and are once again so far extricated from reality that it's incredibly difficult to make that cross-over from fantasy to reality unless you're mentally vulnerable anyway, in which case any media can promote violent behaviour. GTA in particular is aware of the controversy surrounding it in addition to this as are many of the gamers that come to it - often playing and buying it is tied up with something ever-so-slightly subversive. At least, in my world-view where everything is politically tinted in some way, shape or form.

But there's a line. There's always a line. We wouldn't allow a holocaust simulation game, I think. Or a game where you abduct and murder children. The difference is two-fold. Firstly, there's that arbitrary line where something becomes 'unacceptable' in ethical standards, as already pointed out. In this case, a rape simulator is on the far side of that line and rightly so. I think much of the issue is that sexual violence (Note, specifically *sexual* violence. More young men, statistically, are assaulted in terms of general violent crime, or so I remember. If anyone wants stats / feels like taking issue, please do.) is predominantly against women and most gamers are men, who likely don't see the problem with how rape is perceived in culture. But this is a side-note and not the crux of the issue.

The main point is when the game is *about* a controversial issue or whether it *contains / refers* to it. Many games contain controversial themes - murder, mental illness, rape, genocide and so on - which gain meaning according to those things that they're held in reference to. The one aspect of a picture is defined by those other aspects around it. Rape could be portrayed as negative and traumatic, but its inclusion in a game would be acceptable here. However, when rape is the sole content of a game and the sole stimulus for its creation, then I perceive a problem (Ditto with titles like Manhunt). They have little or no 'depth' to them that would otherwise mitigate their subject-matter. They're disturbing merely for the sake of disturbance or pandering to some twisted fantasy. And whilst I do think everyone should have a right to fantasize about what they want, publishing via mass-media and accounting for 10-20% of an industry is absolutely terrifying and an issue that needs addressing.

The problem with this, of course, is that it hinges upon subject value judgements and non-quantitative data. But still, there are nuances that go beyond 'omg rape' and 'omg freedom of expression' that need to be taken into account in a discussion of the issues. Which maybe one day I'll actually think about in some reasonable depth.

SO many responces! Can't read them all. Can't tell if I'm repeating someone. GAH!

Screw it I'm posting it anyway.

Aw, What? No more Japanese rape games? How will the Japanese economy survive?

its about time

Cliff_m85:

13lackfriday:

Cliff_m85:

13lackfriday:
Urgh, that cover really doesn't help the porno business's case.
Spells out the whole predatory nature of this kind of entertainment...almost as bad as those cases in the US involving men found with pedophilic material who got off on some very shrewd nitpicking on the part of their lawyers.

If this kind of niche entertainment has to exist, they could at least be a little more discreet about it.
They've been around too long, comfortable under the indifference of government.

Cliff_m85:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.

That's just going to entice people to try the real thing when they're through with the pixels.

So what you're saying is that we are all potential rapists and it just takes a few pixels to convince us to try the real thing?

What a disgusting look at humanity!

It's only human nature.
And we, as humans, are really just animals too, with the same instincts and impulses.

You give someone a taste of something, they'll want more.
Virtual recreations have their limits.

Actually it's not human nature and it's a disgusting thought that everybody has a hidden rapist deep down inside of them and that any small enticement would bring it out of them.

I play Grand Theft Auto, but I'm never inclined to steal a vehicle or murder someone.
I drink alcohol occassionally, but never to excess. (Having a taste, want more claim)

Obviously we are animals, but we actually don't have the same instincts and impulses. We have a complex moral system and a sense of our own mortality that hinders certain behaviours for most people.

That's an interesting thought though: You play Grand Theft Auto yet are never inclined to steal or murder.

So...if -you- were to play one of these rape games, you also wouldn't then be more inclined to rape? And, would those who play these game and who have moved onto real rape, be less inclined to have done so if they hadn't ever played?

I mean...it seems to me that for those who move on to the real thing, they already had this problem with them. The rape games, the pornography, yeah, probably didn't help, and probably did exacerbate things, the straw that broke the camel as it were. However, are these things going to -cause- people to go out an act on these urges based purely by themselves?

If yes. Then you'd better stay well away, because any direct contact will twist your mind and turn you into a rapist!

If no (which is what I'm nudging at), then you just have to accept that there are sick people in the world, and that the media they consume should be no excuse for their own criminal acts. And if anything can over a valid diversion for those who enjoy the fantasy aspect of rape, and yet would never conceive of actually committing the act in real life beyond roleplay.

Their country, their games. They just sell it there because apparently its allowed. Sure rape is a heinous crime. Almost all people don't like the idea, but you have to consider the fact that this isn't the first game like this and that they just sell these games in Japan. Sure I like the fact these kinds of materials are banned but it's Japan's games. And the government accepts them, apparently.

Slippery slope anyone? Besides that, did none of you retarded fuckers notice the "not legally binding" part at the end? I'm going to hazard a guess that a company that produces and sells games involving sex of any kind doesn't give two fucking shits about anything a woman's activist group does that is "not legally binding."

It's not a ban, so much as an unrateable motion. The only reason anyone cares is because stupid people keep slapping the word "BANNED" in their headlines. This doesn't really change anything.

Yes, I am arguing in favor of it, cuz you know what? We all play games involving murder, and murder is pretty fucking horrible too, but I don't think it should be banned either. What should be banned is the act of letting humans live that can't tell the difference between real life and entertainment. God forbid people think about dirty things while they whack off.

Cliff_m85:

Outcast107:
I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.

Freedom of Speech, besides screaming fire in a theater or whatnot, can never go too far.

It's fantasy and it's not harming anyone. Pixels and animation....that's all it is.

Are you a moron? screaming bomb or fire in a public place will cause panic. With the world like it is now a days, most people are going to believe it. And it can go to far if the people panic and someone dies because the person gets trample on, or some other form of death. Everything needs a stopping point. And rape games should never be made. IDC what you sicko think that it should be left alone, and its not "hurting anyone." Rape imo is worst then anything, and who ever does it, should be put to death.

Outcast107:

Cliff_m85:

Outcast107:
I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.

Freedom of Speech, besides screaming fire in a theater or whatnot, can never go too far.

It's fantasy and it's not harming anyone. Pixels and animation....that's all it is.

Are you a moron? screaming bomb or fire in a public place will cause panic. With the world like it is now a days, most people are going to believe it. And it can go to far if the people panic and someone dies because the person gets trample on, or some other form of death. Everything needs a stopping point. And rape games should never be made. IDC what you sicko think that it should be left alone, and its not "hurting anyone." Rape imo is worst then anything, and who ever does it, should be put to death.

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Yes. It is. And they should. If they do it against -real- people. Real as in: A person that is alive and not a drawing or an animation. A person who can be directly and physically harmed, and yes, shouting 'bomb' in a crowded area can do that, but what's your point?

That the game, merely by being used creates a rapist. I asked someone the same question above, so I'll ask you now: If YOU played one of these games, would you become a rapist? The question is utterly ridiculous, of course you wouldn't! And neither are most of the people that do play them.

And those that do, -should- be put away.

But why should a game like this be ever made? I don't get what your trying to say. By just saying "O it won't hurt you" isn't a good argument. and I was using that point because I was saying that freedom of speech can go to far, and there should be a stopping point. Why should we made games about rape? its like saying rape is a good thing. Now your going to say that shooters are bad to, but most of the time, in shooters you are defending yourself. So I don't see how "defending yourself" and "going out and raping a person for fun" are the same thing.

All I see are guys trying to defend by saying free speech, and "not hurting anyone." But really, what none of you can answer is why it should be made. "Cause its fun?" What kind of a fucking answer is that? So your saying rape is good to do to people. I don't care if its not "hurting anyone real" It just shouldn't be made.

dont mean to cause a stir, but since someone mentioned that japan has a "low" incident rate of rape compared to other countries i have to say the reason is its under reported.

that may be hard to swallow but in college i went out with a japanese girl and she said it wasnt uncommon and in some cases if it happens its the girls fault. its an odd place. im sure google will turn up some interesting stories of japanese rape.

freedom of speech or whatever it is, this game is a bit weird isnt it? if there was 10-20% market share for games involvind luring kids into vans with sweets (since this game is japanese the victims in this game are probably mid-teen schoolgirls) i'd be sure your moral radar would light up like a christmas tree.

the shocker is the market share, its, say, one in seven! that is f*uckin crazy no matter what way you spin it.

GothmogII:

Cliff_m85:

13lackfriday:

Cliff_m85:

13lackfriday:
Urgh, that cover really doesn't help the porno business's case.
Spells out the whole predatory nature of this kind of entertainment...almost as bad as those cases in the US involving men found with pedophilic material who got off on some very shrewd nitpicking on the part of their lawyers.

If this kind of niche entertainment has to exist, they could at least be a little more discreet about it.
They've been around too long, comfortable under the indifference of government.

Cliff_m85:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.

That's just going to entice people to try the real thing when they're through with the pixels.

So what you're saying is that we are all potential rapists and it just takes a few pixels to convince us to try the real thing?

What a disgusting look at humanity!

It's only human nature.
And we, as humans, are really just animals too, with the same instincts and impulses.

You give someone a taste of something, they'll want more.
Virtual recreations have their limits.

Actually it's not human nature and it's a disgusting thought that everybody has a hidden rapist deep down inside of them and that any small enticement would bring it out of them.

I play Grand Theft Auto, but I'm never inclined to steal a vehicle or murder someone.
I drink alcohol occassionally, but never to excess. (Having a taste, want more claim)

Obviously we are animals, but we actually don't have the same instincts and impulses. We have a complex moral system and a sense of our own mortality that hinders certain behaviours for most people.

That's an interesting thought though: You play Grand Theft Auto yet are never inclined to steal or murder.

So...if -you- were to play one of these rape games, you also wouldn't then be more inclined to rape? And, would those who play these game and who have moved onto real rape, be less inclined to have done so if they hadn't ever played?

I mean...it seems to me that for those who move on to the real thing, they already had this problem with them. The rape games, the pornography, yeah, probably didn't help, and probably did exacerbate things, the straw that broke the camel as it were. However, are these things going to -cause- people to go out an act on these urges based purely by themselves?

If yes. Then you'd better stay well away, because any direct contact will twist your mind and turn you into a rapist!

If no (which is what I'm nudging at), then you just have to accept that there are sick people in the world, and that the media they consume should be no excuse for their own criminal acts. And if anything can over a valid diversion for those who enjoy the fantasy aspect of rape, and yet would never conceive of actually committing the act in real life beyond roleplay.

If I played a game featuring rape I wouldn't be more inclined to rape because I understand that rape is a hideous thing. The same arguments against the rape game are made against pornography as well, ignoring that millions of people view pornography and lead healthy lives just as I do. I don't think an image, a pixel, a fantasy based game, a movie, or a song will ever be the final straw. I think there are deep mental problems in a person before they do anything as disgusting as rape, and banning a song or game will not make their mental problem go away.

Certain movies incorporate rape as a portion of the story, one of such is a favorite movie of mine "One Time In America". The rape is disgusting, it's painful to watch, and you feel disgusted at the character who does it. It's a brilliant scene because it sums up the immorality of the person more than the violence that the character commits. It also shows the horror of such a situation. So I would have to say that I enjoyed what the movie depicted because it aroused such anger in me and made me feel during the viewing. So rape does have a place in the media, and to claim that watching a fictional scene or a pixilated scene would cause someone to finally snap is insane.

Outcast107:

Cliff_m85:

Outcast107:
I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.

Freedom of Speech, besides screaming fire in a theater or whatnot, can never go too far.

It's fantasy and it's not harming anyone. Pixels and animation....that's all it is.

Are you a moron? screaming bomb or fire in a public place will cause panic. With the world like it is now a days, most people are going to believe it. And it can go to far if the people panic and someone dies because the person gets trample on, or some other form of death. Everything needs a stopping point. And rape games should never be made. IDC what you sicko think that it should be left alone, and its not "hurting anyone." Rape imo is worst then anything, and who ever does it, should be put to death.

I would suggest someone else as the moron since my quote CLEARLY says "BESIDES screaming fire in a theater....."

A video game with pixels depicting fictional actions don't hurt anyone. Rape in real life, however, does hurt people. If you can't tell the difference between fiction and reality then I feel sorry for you.

fowley:
dont mean to cause a stir, but since someone mentioned that japan has a "low" incident rate of rape compared to other countries i have to say the reason is its under reported.

that may be hard to swallow but in college i went out with a japanese girl and she said it wasnt uncommon and in some cases if it happens its the girls fault. its an odd place. im sure google will turn up some interesting stories of japanese rape.

freedom of speech or whatever it is, this game is a bit weird isnt it? if there was 10-20% market share for games involvind luring kids into vans with sweets (since this game is japanese the victims in this game are probably mid-teen schoolgirls) i'd be sure your moral radar would light up like a christmas tree.

the shocker is the market share, its, say, one in seven! that is f*uckin crazy no matter what way you spin it.

We're not talking moral rage, as those games tend to disgust me completely. We're talking if it should be allowed to be sold in America, and the First Amendment clearly protects such games. If you don't like the game, as I don't, then don't play it. However censoring such a game just draws more attention to it.....as we clearly see. Not to mention that fictional pixels don't hurt anyone.

the EOCS is a voluntary organization and the ban is not legally binding.

heh thats amazing a voluntary rule enforcer I dont think the sale of rape games will decline much

Cliff_m85:

Outcast107:

Cliff_m85:

Outcast107:
I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.

Freedom of Speech, besides screaming fire in a theater or whatnot, can never go too far.

It's fantasy and it's not harming anyone. Pixels and animation....that's all it is.

Are you a moron? screaming bomb or fire in a public place will cause panic. With the world like it is now a days, most people are going to believe it. And it can go to far if the people panic and someone dies because the person gets trample on, or some other form of death. Everything needs a stopping point. And rape games should never be made. IDC what you sicko think that it should be left alone, and its not "hurting anyone." Rape imo is worst then anything, and who ever does it, should be put to death.

I would suggest someone else as the moron since my quote CLEARLY says "BESIDES screaming fire in a theater....."

A video game with pixels depicting fictional actions don't hurt anyone. Rape in real life, however, does hurt people. If you can't tell the difference between fiction and reality then I feel sorry for you.

You know what...I can tell I won, since you just said the same thing over. So GG to me. Im done talking on this topic. Kindof makes me sick that people are defending this game. But hey, I guess you like this sort of thing you little sicko.

Outcast107:

Cliff_m85:

Outcast107:

Cliff_m85:

Outcast107:
I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.

Freedom of Speech, besides screaming fire in a theater or whatnot, can never go too far.

It's fantasy and it's not harming anyone. Pixels and animation....that's all it is.

Are you a moron? screaming bomb or fire in a public place will cause panic. With the world like it is now a days, most people are going to believe it. And it can go to far if the people panic and someone dies because the person gets trample on, or some other form of death. Everything needs a stopping point. And rape games should never be made. IDC what you sicko think that it should be left alone, and its not "hurting anyone." Rape imo is worst then anything, and who ever does it, should be put to death.

I would suggest someone else as the moron since my quote CLEARLY says "BESIDES screaming fire in a theater....."

A video game with pixels depicting fictional actions don't hurt anyone. Rape in real life, however, does hurt people. If you can't tell the difference between fiction and reality then I feel sorry for you.

You know what...I can tell I won, since you just said the same thing over. So GG to me. Im done talking on this topic. Kindof makes me sick that people are defending this game. But hey, I guess you like this sort of thing you little sicko.

And I can guess that you are a teenager with the reading abilities of a elementary schooler. So GG to me. I'm so smug it's DELICIOUS!!!! /sarcasm

And I can tell you won (won what? A discussion? Can you win a discussion?) because you just said the same thing you said three times as well as resorted to red herrings and name-calling rather than an intellectual argument. So congrats, chappy. You are the master of argumentation.

The fact that these games existed in the first place is horrifying, though sadly not surprising. It is Japan, after all. They're an odd bunch.

Still, if they've taken steps to get rid of this bizarre and disgusting genre, they earn a few bonus points.

I'm pretty sure that box art in the OP is going to haunt more than a few people, though. *cringes*

Cliff_m85:

13lackfriday:

Cliff_m85:

13lackfriday:
Urgh, that cover really doesn't help the porno business's case.
Spells out the whole predatory nature of this kind of entertainment...almost as bad as those cases in the US involving men found with pedophilic material who got off on some very shrewd nitpicking on the part of their lawyers.

If this kind of niche entertainment has to exist, they could at least be a little more discreet about it.
They've been around too long, comfortable under the indifference of government.

Cliff_m85:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.

That's just going to entice people to try the real thing when they're through with the pixels.

So what you're saying is that we are all potential rapists and it just takes a few pixels to convince us to try the real thing?

What a disgusting look at humanity!

It's only human nature.
And we, as humans, are really just animals too, with the same instincts and impulses.

You give someone a taste of something, they'll want more.
Virtual recreations have their limits.

Actually it's not human nature and it's a disgusting thought that everybody has a hidden rapist deep down inside of them and that any small enticement would bring it out of them.

I play Grand Theft Auto, but I'm never inclined to steal a vehicle or murder someone.
I drink alcohol occassionally, but never to excess. (Having a taste, want more claim)

Obviously we are animals, but we actually don't have the same instincts and impulses. We have a complex moral system and a sense of our own mortality that hinders certain behaviours for most people.

Some people don't place the same kind of inhibitions on themselves.

They becomes so fed up on the virtual fuck fodder, they become convinced it's just as possible and appropriate when applied to reality.

Japanese games are just straight up weird, and it seems that there is no middle ground between dark and creepy and bright and cheery. To be honest, this game just seems fucked up to me. But now I'm wondering how weird it is that we can murder people in games but not rape them. I'm requesting a rape feature in Saints Row 3!

Ah well, at least I get points for nut shots.

Seriously, how can games like Noby Noby Boy and Katamari Damacy be made in the same country where some of the most popular games are the rape simulators?

13lackfriday:

Cliff_m85:

13lackfriday:

Cliff_m85:

13lackfriday:
Urgh, that cover really doesn't help the porno business's case.
Spells out the whole predatory nature of this kind of entertainment...almost as bad as those cases in the US involving men found with pedophilic material who got off on some very shrewd nitpicking on the part of their lawyers.

If this kind of niche entertainment has to exist, they could at least be a little more discreet about it.
They've been around too long, comfortable under the indifference of government.

Cliff_m85:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.

That's just going to entice people to try the real thing when they're through with the pixels.

So what you're saying is that we are all potential rapists and it just takes a few pixels to convince us to try the real thing?

What a disgusting look at humanity!

It's only human nature.
And we, as humans, are really just animals too, with the same instincts and impulses.

You give someone a taste of something, they'll want more.
Virtual recreations have their limits.

Actually it's not human nature and it's a disgusting thought that everybody has a hidden rapist deep down inside of them and that any small enticement would bring it out of them.

I play Grand Theft Auto, but I'm never inclined to steal a vehicle or murder someone.
I drink alcohol occassionally, but never to excess. (Having a taste, want more claim)

Obviously we are animals, but we actually don't have the same instincts and impulses. We have a complex moral system and a sense of our own mortality that hinders certain behaviours for most people.

Some people don't place the same kind of inhibitions on themselves.

They becomes so fed up on the virtual fuck fodder, they become convinced it's just as possible and appropriate when applied to reality.

Right, that's why everyone who has played GTA4 eventually went out and stole a car, slept with and killed a prostitute to get their money back, and murdered innocent bystanders.

Claims without evidence are to be thrown out. Slippery slope arguments are nonsensical.

[quote="The Youth Counselor" post="7.115936.2153715"]Rape is considered to by many to be the most depraved and heinous of crimes, even more heinous than murder or treason. The act takes away the feeling and basic human right of personal safety. For a victim was violated in a way that was sacred and the rapist uses sex which is normally an act of trust and love into a weapon. These games aren't a good release. The normal human being has a violent fantasy now and again, but most games depict them in an act of defense. Violent video games tend not harbor more of the mentality and promote it. They don't distort the violence as a magical thing where the victim "likes to be killed, or was just asking for it"These games are made for an audience that will continue to harbor these urges after playing. They are simply an excercise in sadism and morally abhorrent beliefs...
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There's so much media in Japan involving rape, that I can see banning all of it causing the Japanese economy to tank for a few years. Rape seems to be very romanticized there, even having it's own genres; It's common to see comics written by women for women about men raping boys & most hentai seem to go right into lolicon territory.

Andy Chalk:
Rape Games Banned in Japan

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The Ethics Organization of Computer Software, Japan's PC game rating agency, has called for a halt to the retail sale of videogames that simulate rape.

The ban appears to be the culmination of events that began in February, when two copies of the Japanese game RapeLay accidentally appeared on Amazon.com. Despite its nearly immediate removal and the fact that it was designed exclusively for the Japanese market, outrage quickly followed from sources including British Parliament, the New York City Council and the international women's rights group Equality Now.

Equality Now actually launched a campaign calling for the Japanese government to ban the sale of games that feature "rape, stalking or other forms of sexual violence or which otherwise denigrate women." The group said the games violate Japan's obligations under the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women to "eliminate works that normalize and promote sexual violence against women and girls."

Amazingly, according to the Canned Dogs blog (which translated the original Tokyo Broadcasting System report), this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry and the EOCS had not previously considered it a problem. But with the pressure growing, the organization has now decided to comply with the demand and seek a ban not just on the retail sale of such games but also their development by any of its more than 200 members.

The new measures take effect on June 2, although it may not be enough to satisfy critics: Like the ESRB in North America, the EOCS is a voluntary organization and the ban is not legally binding.

via: Gamasutra

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I never realized that they even had games like this... I honestly have trouble keeping an open mind on this matter. A sexually open culture has it's rights to exist and go about it's business with whatever said business is, but... Rapelay?... I've never been this speechless since... Well, since the last time I watched Law and Order: SVU...

On a more open note, I can see how this could be a safer alternative to actual rape for those who are... Predisposed to that sort of thing, but I can also see how this could end up being a sort of... Gateway activity that could lead to actual rapes... I don't know enough about Japanese culture to make a judgement as to the moral subjects involved, but I... I'm a little mixed on this subject... I see no reason to impose one nation's values upon another's, but a game about rape... Damn...

EDIT: sorry about the massive quote, I dunno how to snip bits and pieces of it to make it work out cleanly...

Caliostro:
You know, we really gotta shove all of these people in an island and nuke them

...that awkward moment when you read someone demanding nuking an island regarding a news item from Japan, and you're not sure if the irony is intentional or accidental...

Why do we, as a society, act like rape is worse than murder?

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