Rape Games Banned in Japan

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Good morning blues:

Ziren:

Good morning blues:
Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

But promotion of viligantism, murder and war crimes is okay? Don't you think that this is a double standard?

Hey now, when did I say that? Promotion of vigilantism, murder and war crimes absolutely is not okay.

So 90% of videogames are not okay?

The title is a little misleading...unless I misread the post, they haven't banned anything yet have they? Just set up a group to 'enforce' such an idea, and one done voluntarily at that...

As for actually banning the stuff...I personally don't care, as it's not something I get enjoyment off myself. Regardless, I'm not entirely for it either. And, for the same reason I'm not against banning drawn child porn, which as awful as it is, is still fictional material.

I mean...a ban on selling the stuff, fine, but not a ban on either manufacturing it or having it in one's possession.

joystickjunki3:

ygetoff:

The Youth Counselor:
I'm someone who argues in favor 99.99999% of the time for the freedom of expression and that a virtual simulation and real life act are completely separate. But I gotta say, It's about damn time.

this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry[/b]

:facepalms

I agree. This is going a bit beyond freedom of expression. What would the maker want to express with this game?

One could say the same thing about GTA or Manhunt.

Good point. Um... I actually agree with you about Manhunt. It's pretty much a murder simulator. However, the newest GTA actually had a good, somewhat deep storyline. It wasn't just for the purpose of simulated murder/rape.

This is one of those quirky situations where I'm inclined to say nay. Despite my personal opinions of the content that is being banned, I don't agree with the banning of just about any material in the first place. I'm a "take it or leave it, but don't bitch about it" kind of person.

Thank God, Japan got some common sense.

ygetoff:

joystickjunki3:

ygetoff:

The Youth Counselor:
I'm someone who argues in favor 99.99999% of the time for the freedom of expression and that a virtual simulation and real life act are completely separate. But I gotta say, It's about damn time.

this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry[/b]

:facepalms

I agree. This is going a bit beyond freedom of expression. What would the maker want to express with this game?

One could say the same thing about GTA or Manhunt.

Good point. Um... I actually agree with you about Manhunt. It's pretty much a murder simulator. However, the newest GTA actually had a good, somewhat deep storyline. It wasn't just for the purpose of simulated murder/rape.

Well I agree that the rape game seems like it's pushing some boundaries, but presumedly it does have a storyline. I'm just inherently against censorship. And you are right about GTA4.

Finally! Ban that shit as fast as you can! THEN LEAVE THE REST ALONE!!! DON'T FUCK UP JAPAN WITH YOUR RETARDED CENSORSHIP AND "family friendly" SHIT!!!

The rape this is really screwed up. However, it seems that Japan has the most freedom for it's people then any country in the world. They also are dumb asses with the whole "family friendly" and "ethical" shit that (unfortunately the country I'm living in) America goes around spewing.

So please only take away the rape stuff and leave everything else the same.

Now on the "stalking" note. Games sold in Japan about stalking people DOWN100%. Ninja and sneaking games sold in Japan UP208%!
YAAAY NINJAS!!!!!

lonercs:
Finally! Ban that shit as fast as you can! THEN LEAVE THE REST ALONE!!! DON'T FUCK UP JAPAN WITH YOUR RETARDED CENSORSHIP AND "family friendly" SHIT!!!

The rape this is really screwed up. However, it seems that Japan has the most freedom for it's people then any country in the world. They also are dumb asses with the whole "family friendly" and other shit that (unfortunately the country I'm living in) America goes around spewing.

So please only take away the rape stuff and leave everything else the same.

Japan is the foundation of a decadent society. This is an example of it.

Thank God!
I don't support censorship but this game crosses over for me.

1) Rape isn't just a sex crime against women. Men get raped, too. I find it shocking that some people can't understand this.

2) It's not real rape (thus, it's a victimless crime), and that's censorship. I'm not condoning rape, but how is that any of the government's business?

lonercs:
Finally! Ban that shit as fast as you can! THEN LEAVE THE REST ALONE!!! DON'T FUCK UP JAPAN WITH YOUR RETARDED CENSORSHIP AND "family friendly" SHIT!!!

The rape this is really screwed up. However, it seems that Japan has the most freedom for it's people then any country in the world. They also are dumb asses with the whole "family friendly" and other shit that (unfortunately the country I'm living in) America goes around spewing.

So please only take away the rape stuff and leave everything else the same.

Actually, all porn, soft or hard, is censored in Japan. All of it. Seriously.

Not looking so "free" now, is it?

Yeah I'm going to take the unpopular stance and say they should not ban the creation of simulation rape games. Freedom of speech is a two way road and oppressing another country or shaming a country to oppress itself is worse than any sort of censorship. If Japan truly wants to outlaw and stop the production of games then they should have their own reasons, not because New York and a women's equality group finds a single game distasteful. A single person's or even a group of people's morals has no right to control or manipulate a country's government to ban the production of any video game.

This is just the start, this will be a slippery slope that will cause more adult content from Japan to be outlawed and will hurt Japan financially just because people are "hurt" over a video game.

SBoggart:
1) Rape isn't just a sex crime against women. Men get raped, too. I find it shocking that some people can't understand this.

2) It's not real rape (thus, it's a victimless crime), and that's censorship. I'm not condoning rape, but how is that any of the government's business?

There's no such thing as a victimless crime.

A random person:
As creepy as this game is, I don't think you should ever resort to censorship.

This is the industry setting a standard for itself. The government isn't forcing legistlation. They have simply agreed on a value.

What excactly is expressed in a pornographic rape simulator? Nothing but perversion.

joystickjunki3:

ygetoff:

The Youth Counselor:
I'm someone who argues in favor 99.99999% of the time for the freedom of expression and that a virtual simulation and real life act are completely separate. But I gotta say, It's about damn time.

this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry[/b]

:facepalms

I agree. This is going a bit beyond freedom of expression. What would the maker want to express with this game?

One could say the same thing about GTA or Manhunt.

Manhunt and GTA didn't appear in a time where 1 in 4 people are murdered. They also have consequences for their actions and even when they glorify violence they portray it in a brutal real way.

I have seen footage of rape games before. They are passed around on torrents and sites link to direct downloads of them all the time. Unlike NPCs that are killed, the women are simply objectified and dehumanized. They simply spout the same "Oh god no, please" and never put up enough of a struggle, they simply lay in a simple idle animation todenoting that women are weak and in the end they end up either just "accepting" or "enjoying it". There is nothing shown about the trauma and pain they have to live with the rest of their lives. The humiliation, and fear that enters their mind just going outside into the street, or when another person innocently touches their shoulder or shakes their hand. Who cares when they were never human beings with personality to being with right?

In our run of the mill hack and slash video games and shooters do the NPCS simply line up, put up no struggle and enjoy being murdered or brutalized? They might not fight well enough, but they're given character and show pain.

ygetoff:

However, the newest GTA actually had a good, somewhat deep storyline. It wasn't just for the purpose of simulated murder/rape.

This raises an interesting question and let's me play devil's advocate. Have you played the game that raised this controversy? Can you say that it has no storyline worth experiencing without having done so? Really, to write something off with no actual knowledge of the content is no better than the BS Fox News pulled with the Mass Effect "Sex Simulator" controversy.

I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

Nimbus:

Kiutu:
Ok, I guess -I- will be the first to be against this.
Mostly it annoys me cause it seems more like people whining and being huge babies. Now, I know Japan does not have our government and laws (some we put on em yes, but not all) but still. Its like, why is this allowed but this not when it is very similar. So is games where girls are killed gonna be banned too? What about men/boys? Now yes, obviously few if any are playing these games for anything aside from sexual release, but for all we know it is a better outlet for peole with such fantasies. This is just like violence in gaming and is not going to make people who would not already do it start raping people or stalking them.
Equality Now, based on this they seem PETA-like. (Not a good thing)
Thats my view on this.

Actually, you're the second. The guy above you is the first.

I guess I'm the third. All the points I would have made, have already been made, and better than I could have made them.

Umm...EPIC FAIL on Nimbus!!!!lol

Oh and please that that as a joke and not as a personally attack.

ygetoff:

SBoggart:
1) Rape isn't just a sex crime against women. Men get raped, too. I find it shocking that some people can't understand this.

2) It's not real rape (thus, it's a victimless crime), and that's censorship. I'm not condoning rape, but how is that any of the government's business?

There's no such thing as a victimless crime.

There is if the crime in question is VIRTUAL.

Internet Kraken:
I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

I'd say you should question why you find killing virtual people fun in the first place, surely that points to the fact you are enjoying the killing. So who's to say people who play these type of games aren't just doing it for fun as well?

I really don't see how people can have no problem with violently killing and dismembering people, but suddenly get all uppity about rape, surely murder is far worse then rape.

Nimbus:

Kiutu:

Cliff_m85:

Kiutu:
Ok, I guess -I- will be the first to be against this.
Mostly it annoys me cause it seems more like people whining and being huge babies. Now, I know Japan does not have our government and laws (some we put on em yes, but not all) but still. Its like, why is this allowed but this not when it is very similar. So is games where girls are killed gonna be banned too? What about men/boys? Now yes, obviously few if any are playing these games for anything aside from sexual release, but for all we know it is a better outlet for peole with such fantasies. This is just like violence in gaming and is not going to make people who would not already do it start raping people or stalking them.
Equality Now, based on this they seem PETA-like. (Not a good thing)
Thats my view on this.

Just a little too late, I beat you.

Well, I was too busy writing that long thing on something I definatly knew my stance on. Sorry your unsure tiny stance was posted before mine.
Also sorry you are making this a competition instead of a on-topic debate. Ask the banned people who post first on the videos where THAT gets you.

Woah! Little too defensive there, you think? He was probably just making a joke/ humorous observation.

Excuse me of someone making a stupid comment gets on my nerves when Im a bit rilled up about a over-zealous 'equal rights' group that takes it too far instead of actually help promote equality. He could have said something relavent instead or maybe that he agreed or just said nothing.

Jesus guys, it's just rape.

I expect the Japanese game market will collapse soon because of this.

Wait. Japanese censore p*ssy in all their porn, yet they allow games about rape to be released? What the hell?

Well this certainly is retarded.

People need to STFU about being offended by things, especially when they don't even affect them.

Nimbus:

The rape this is really screwed up. However, it seems that Japan has the most freedom for it's people then any country in the world. They also are dumb asses with the whole "family friendly" and "ethical" shit that (unfortunately the country I'm living in) America goes around spewing.

Yeah that sure explains how genitalia and body hair is always blurred out in their pornography (it's the law.)

And how many retailers were forbidden to sell books and movies that shed light to their horrendous war crimes commitied by their righteous war heroes who were doing their duty to spread the barbaric foreigners under the one roof of the Chrysanthemum throne.

G-Mang:
Until they can show that these games actually contribute to discrimination or criminality, banning them seems premature.

Very much in agreement with you on this, especially considering the extremely low rape incidence rate in the country itself - until some real research is done into the effect that such games have, banning the game genre is purely reactionary and done purely to appease foreigners, who aren't exactly affected by the issue...

Being half Dutch it (albeit loosely) reminds me of the reaction of foreigners to legalised prostitution in the Netherlands, (because sex is talked about openly, the teenage pregnancy rate is extremely low, which most people don't believe), or Cannabis (alcoholism is much more of a problem than dope addicts).

That said, there is a huge fetish market in Japan, and a lot of corresponding games - in this case the fetish market came first (sorry!) and the games are part of it, as opposed to it's cause - but again without research you can't say for sure whether the games are increasing interest that wouldn't exist otherwise or not.

G-Mang:
...it's also interesting to note that Japan has a very low rape rate in relation to most other nations.

Anyone else notice how high Canada was on that list? That really surprised me...

EDIT: I can see this thread is going downhill - people are getting really riled up - I'm not saying that I'm for or against the game, but banning something without any proof that it causes harm, without any complaints from the country it is retailed in and aimed at, is not a good move. It opens the way for banning other things purely because another country which would never have heard of it's existence nor encountered it in any form before now doesn't agree with it or finds it unpalatable.

Internet Kraken:
I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

I for one think that this is a hilarious looking game, and the whole situation is just laughable.

EDIT: Also I think it'll be really funny if Japans rape rate like skyrockets now.

The Youth Counselor:

This is the industry setting a standard for itself. The government isn't forcing legistlation. They have simply agreed on a value.

Actually, this standard is being set by the Ethics Organization of Computer Software in Japan. This is the equivilent of the ESRB. The day a ratings board is considered part of "the industry" is the day I lose hope in the industry altogether.

I'm not saying that these games are a good idea, or that they should be allowed, but they do realize that banning a game/movie/book/image is the best way to make it popular? Look at Harry Potter (all the christians who said "This book is evil!" made a controversy that made it popular)

Nimbus:

Good morning blues:

Ziren:

Good morning blues:
Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

But promotion of viligantism, murder and war crimes is okay? Don't you think that this is a double standard?

Hey now, when did I say that? Promotion of vigilantism, murder and war crimes absolutely is not okay.

So 90% of videogames are not okay?

There's a pretty big difference between explicitly and obviously promoting vigilantism, murder and war crimes and simply depicting them. Most video games are okay, but there are a lot out there that are regressive and harmful contributions to Western society and culture.

The Youth Counselor:

joystickjunki3:

ygetoff:

The Youth Counselor:
I'm someone who argues in favor 99.99999% of the time for the freedom of expression and that a virtual simulation and real life act are completely separate. But I gotta say, It's about damn time.

this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry[/b]

:facepalms

I agree. This is going a bit beyond freedom of expression. What would the maker want to express with this game?

One could say the same thing about GTA or Manhunt.

Manhunt and GTA didn't appear in a time where 1 in 4 people are murdered. They also have consequences for their actions and even when they glorify violence they portray it in a brutal real way.

I have seen footage of rape games before. They are passed around on torrents and sites link to direct downloads of them all the time. Unlike NPCs that are killed, the women are simply objectified and dehumanized. They simply spout the same "Oh god no, please" and never put up enough of a struggle, they simply lay in a simple idle animation todenoting that women are weak and in the end they end up either just "accepting" or "enjoying it". There is nothing shown about the trauma and pain they have to live with the rest of their lives. The humiliation, and fear that enters their mind just going outside into the street, or when another person innocently touches their shoulder or shakes their hand. Who cares when they were never human beings with personality to being with right?

In our run of the mill hack and slash video games and shooters do the NPCS simply line up, put up no struggle and enjoy being murdered or brutalized? They might not fight well enough, but they're given character and show pain.

Just to make sure we're clear here, I don't agree w/ the representation of women in these games. I just don't think banning something like this right. I have the same feelings about that cartoon/comic of Bart and Lisa Simpson from a little while ago that was so brutally banged up by the legal system.

If they were actual snuff/rape films or real child pornography then I'd be on a completely different side of the argument, but the fact remains that these are imaginary worlds where no one is directly hurt in reality.

Sometimes these things actually prevent real rape. I believe there was a study done here in the States from sometime ago that showed that once porn was legalized in a region the rape rate declined (I know it's somewhat unprovable if it' a direct relation). I'll try and find the study to back me up.

EDIT: Well it's start, but this isn't the website I remember reading it on.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=913013#

Kiutu:

Internet Kraken:
I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

Prove to me that rape games prevent rape. Show me a study that proves it.

This does not prevent rape. It only makes rape socially acceptable.

ygetoff:

SBoggart:
1) Rape isn't just a sex crime against women. Men get raped, too. I find it shocking that some people can't understand this.

2) It's not real rape (thus, it's a victimless crime), and that's censorship. I'm not condoning rape, but how is that any of the government's business?

There's no such thing as a victimless crime.

I am the Law! No-One is innocent!

Ahem...sorry, got a little Judge Dreddy there. Anyway, that sounded right in your head I presume? Of course there are victimless crimes.

Someone commits a crime.

A victim is non-present in any capacity, either directly or in-directly.

Hence the term: Victimless crime.

Take lets say...homosexuality, in many countries in the world, homosexuality is still considered a crime. Now...point out the victim in this scenario?

Or...walking on the grass (Yes they do fine for this in some places), I get it, you're 'victimising' the guy that owns the grass right? I mean, he went to all the trouble of putting up a sign that says: Do not walk on the grass, and there you go victimising him and ruining his life! You cad!

In the list of concepts that sickened me, that game was ranked pretty damned high. For all that I'm wary of censorship and the like, I cannot see this as anything but a positive.

Besides, it means there'll probably be more eroge focusing on consensual sex for me to enjoy. The hentai industry will clearly benefit (me).

Nimbus:

Good morning blues:

Ziren:

Good morning blues:
Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

But promotion of viligantism, murder and war crimes is okay? Don't you think that this is a double standard?

Hey now, when did I say that? Promotion of vigilantism, murder and war crimes absolutely is not okay.

So 90% of videogames are not okay?

94%.
Sports are also not okay.

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