Rape Games Banned in Japan

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Nimbus:

Actually, all porn, soft or hard, is censored in Japan. All of it. Seriously.

Not looking so "free" now, is it?

People found loopholes, some censor with an incredible thin line. Also you can't censor soft core porn. Soft core=no vagina/penis which Japan censors them.

Just like animated CP is legal, so should animated rape. It's a game people. Saying games like that promote rape is exactly the same as Gears/Halo/whatever your poison promotes shooting people in the face.

G-Mang:
To be honest, I don't think banning any type of material is ever a good thing.

If you want to talk strictly pragmatically, making such material more restricted doesn't necessarily equate to making rape less likely (if anything, it's possible to have the opposite effect). While it's definitely noteworthy that these games make up such a large portion of the PC gaming market in Japan, it's also interesting to note that Japan has a very low rape rate in relation to most other nations. Until they can show that these games actually contribute to discrimination or criminality, banning them seems premature.

And, of course, this is not to mention that I'm opposed to all kinds of censorship. It may be about rape, but if that's the story they want to tell, I would call that their right. As gross as I may find it, may tastes can't change their desires, and my taboos should not hold power over their behavior.

I can really only agree with you there. Not to mention just why the simulations came about in the first place in Japan really has it's roots from the crap that the United States pulled back after World War 2...

DC_Josh:
Although my personal standpoint is that these "games" are massivly badong (bad and wrong), I am still intrested in the opinions of this dear community.

One of my favorite movies ever, and I love you for reminding me of it.

Ha!

TyphoidMary:
I'm not saying that these games are a good idea, or that they should be allowed, but they do realize that banning a game/movie/book/image is the best way to make it popular? Look at Harry Potter (all the christians who said "This book is evil!" made a controversy that made it popular)

They're not banning it to prevent them from being sold. They are doing it to appease the other nations.

I doubt they will enforce this ban.

Milkman Dan:
Japan is such a suppressed society that it's little wonder their entertainment is completely outlandish. In a way, this reminds me of a Japanese porno producer who thought that the USA was the "Land of Sex" because of all the American porn that was flooding the Internet.

Really? Are the Japanese suppressed? I was under the impression that all of their sexual activities were very overt and most people are incredibly open about it. I think that might be the opposite of suppressed, where here in North America we'll make a big deal about someone accidentally flashing someone; something like Janet Jackson at the superbowl. I think America is more sexually suppressed than Japan.
I may have called you on that shit.

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Kiutu:

Internet Kraken:
I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

Prove to me that rape games prevent rape. Show me a study that proves it.

This does not prevent rape. It only makes rape socially acceptable.

Prove to me that rape games makes it happen more (not counting virtually)
Also let me get my Lancer and cut you in half with the chainsaw. Oh, its fine, Gears of War isnt banned so its ok. (Unless you are sayign anything not nice should be banned, your point is very very flawed)

DerpyDerpyDerp:
Just like animated CP is legal, so should animated rape. It's a game people. Saying games like that promote rape is exactly the same as Gears/Halo/whatever your poison promotes shooting people in the face.

Child Pornography laws differ from state to state and many have banned depictions of it in drawn and even written form.

Didn't you hear about the FBI crackdown on fanfiction.net that led to arrests?

as insane as it is, im against this decision, it's a horrible subject to justify, i mean, horrible, but i have to agree with the freedom of speech, people and ocmpanies fight for the releases of games like grand theft auto where-in you can pick up hookers, and have sex to get back health, or mow down pedestrains and police officers for fun, but this is a GAME. i work in the retail indistry selling games, and admittedly there are people whoe really shouldnt be playing buying or watching these games, it takes away from developers and creators to make games that although have more mature content and a more mature context, the freedom allows these people to acheive a much greater range of emotions from the gamers, like it or not, gaming IS an artform, and we ( as a people and governemnt) wouldnt censor art, quick everyone look away, you can see davids hog, shame you michaelangelo...

In America we like violence, in Japan they like... well you know what I mean.

You know, we really gotta shove all of these people in an island and nuke them... Just kill them all.

You think I'm talking about the guys that develop these games don't you? Well you're wrong. I'm talking about the cockwits that think forbidding things they don't like is perfectly reasonable. The idea of "freedom" goes both ways. If nobody's getting hurt, there's no reason to stop it.

Hey retards, is anyone getting hurt? What's that? No? It's just a VIDEOGAME? No one is getting hurt in any way shape or form? Why, no, no they're not. Not a single person is being hurt.

...We really need like, half of the world to just die... At least half.

Good morning blues:

Nimbus:

Good morning blues:

Ziren:

Good morning blues:
Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

But promotion of viligantism, murder and war crimes is okay? Don't you think that this is a double standard?

Hey now, when did I say that? Promotion of vigilantism, murder and war crimes absolutely is not okay.

So 90% of videogames are not okay?

There's a pretty big difference between explicitly and obviously promoting vigilantism, murder and war crimes and simply depicting them. Most video games are okay, but there are a lot out there that are regressive and harmful contributions to Western society and culture.

Alright then, is there a difference between promoting and depicting rape?

Also, where do you draw the line between promoting and depicting, in relation to vigilantism, murder and war crimes? Is Gears of War ok? How about GTA? What do we censor, where do we stop?

Tenmar:
Yeah I'm going to take the unpopular stance and say they should not ban the creation of simulation rape games. Freedom of speech is a two way road and oppressing another country or shaming a country to oppress itself is worse than any sort of censorship. If Japan truly wants to outlaw and stop the production of games then they should have their own reasons, not because New York and a women's equality group finds a single game distasteful. A single person's or even a group of people's morals has no right to control or manipulate a country's government to ban the production of any video game.

This is just the start, this will be a slippery slope that will cause more adult content from Japan to be outlawed and will hurt Japan financially just because people are "hurt" over a video game.

I agree. I'm not in favor of actual rape, and I'm not even in favor of pretend rape, but it's important to realize that this is a virtual act. Nobody is getting raped. One could argue that this sort of virtual stimulation adds to the aggressive tendencies of individuals, but I would retort that the people who play Rapelay and then seriously think about committing one in real life were ALWAYS predisposed towards rape and thinking in that direction all along. Did you know Japan actually has much less rape than the US? Did you know that Australia (one of the more censored places for video games) has a TON of rape cases? The facts don't seem to bear out that virtual rape directly influences the number of real rapes.

With this in mind, I consider this game an unfortunate side effect of Freedom of Speech. If I'm allowed to create a game about killing human beings, it's only fair (not right, but fair) that some japanese guy can make a game about stalking non-real, virtual women. I would like to reiterate again that I am completely against rape in all forms, I just think this game should be legal because it seems only fair. Why is a rape game worse than a murdering one? Why should a rape game be banned, but CoD4/TF2/L4D/RE4 not banned?

Oh my god, isnt this a sign of the apocalypse or something?!

Kiutu:

Internet Kraken:

Kiutu:

Internet Kraken:
I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

Prove to me that rape games prevent rape. Show me a study that proves it.

This does not prevent rape. It only makes rape socially acceptable.

Prove to me that rape games makes it happen more (not counting virtually)
Also let me get my Lancer and cut you in half with the chainsaw. Oh, its fine, Gears of War isnt banned so its ok. (Unless you are sayign anything not nice should be banned, your point is very very flawed)

You put forth the idea that these games prevent rape. I told you to provide proof. You could not, hence your entire argument is invalid.

Also there is a big difference between sex and murder. Murder will never be acceptable in a functioning society. A society can not progress if there is mass murder.

Sex, on the other hand, can be a major part of society without it collapsing. We could have a society in which people look at one another as nothing more than sexual objects. It would still function, but such a society would be a disgrace.

I am all for this ban. It disgusts me that anyone would play these games, or create them.

Well Japan, you ARE making steps.

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Kiutu:

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Kiutu:

Internet Kraken:
I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

Prove to me that rape games prevent rape. Show me a study that proves it.

This does not prevent rape. It only makes rape socially acceptable.

Prove to me that rape games makes it happen more (not counting virtually)
Also let me get my Lancer and cut you in half with the chainsaw. Oh, its fine, Gears of War isnt banned so its ok. (Unless you are sayign anything not nice should be banned, your point is very very flawed)

You put forth the idea that these games prevent rape. I told you to provide proof. You could not, hence your entire argument is invalid.

Also there is a big difference between sex and murder. Murder will never be acceptable in a functioning society. A society can not progress if there is mass murder.

Sex, on the other hand, can be a major part of society without it collapsing. We could have a society in which people look at one another as nothing more than sexual objects. It would still function, but such a society would be a disgrace.

Fine, ignore the less rape part. My ENTIRE argument is not invalid as my ENTIRE argument was not that it prevents rape.

joystickjunki3:

ygetoff:

The Youth Counselor:
I'm someone who argues in favor 99.99999% of the time for the freedom of expression and that a virtual simulation and real life act are completely separate. But I gotta say, It's about damn time.

this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry[/b]

:facepalms

I agree. This is going a bit beyond freedom of expression. What would the maker want to express with this game?

One could say the same thing about GTA or Manhunt.

And I very easily DO say the same thing about GTA or Manhunt.

Kiutu:

Internet Kraken:

Kiutu:

Internet Kraken:

Kiutu:

Internet Kraken:
I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

Prove to me that rape games prevent rape. Show me a study that proves it.

This does not prevent rape. It only makes rape socially acceptable.

Prove to me that rape games makes it happen more (not counting virtually)
Also let me get my Lancer and cut you in half with the chainsaw. Oh, its fine, Gears of War isnt banned so its ok. (Unless you are sayign anything not nice should be banned, your point is very very flawed)

You put forth the idea that these games prevent rape. I told you to provide proof. You could not, hence your entire argument is invalid.

Also there is a big difference between sex and murder. Murder will never be acceptable in a functioning society. A society can not progress if there is mass murder.

Sex, on the other hand, can be a major part of society without it collapsing. We could have a society in which people look at one another as nothing more than sexual objects. It would still function, but such a society would be a disgrace.

Fine, ignore the less rape part. My ENTIRE argument is not invalid as my ENTIRE argument was not that it prevents rape.

What other argument do you have?

nova18:
Its odd though, Im guessing that most of us spend a lot of time playing "murder simulators" and we are dead against people trying to ban those, because they dont offend us.

Wheras a rape game offends us so we agree to it being banned.

Good news though.

IMHO Rape and Murder killing are horses of a very, very different colour. Although, I do see what you're saying.

Freedom -1

To all of you cheering, you can't be all libertarian only when it suites you. I don't care if you find it distasteful. It's not hurting anyone, and it's not causing anyone to be hurt. This is frankly outrageous.

And for those of you arguing it's because rape is considered worse than murder. No. It's not. It's simply not. How could you even say that?

The fact that games like this are banned, while games like postal get the green flag goes beyond a simple sigh and a facepalm, this is disgusting. What's even more disgusting, is that so many of my gamer colleagues are against it as well.

Well I would like to think that this would achieve something, but I dought it.

Nimbus:

Good morning blues:

Nimbus:

Good morning blues:

Ziren:

Good morning blues:
Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

But promotion of viligantism, murder and war crimes is okay? Don't you think that this is a double standard?

Hey now, when did I say that? Promotion of vigilantism, murder and war crimes absolutely is not okay.

So 90% of videogames are not okay?

There's a pretty big difference between explicitly and obviously promoting vigilantism, murder and war crimes and simply depicting them. Most video games are okay, but there are a lot out there that are regressive and harmful contributions to Western society and culture.

Alright then, is there a difference between promoting and depicting rape?

Also, where do you draw the line between promoting and depicting, in relation to vigilantism, murder and war crimes? Is Gears of War ok? How about GTA? What do we censor, where do we stop?

Of course there's a difference between promoting and depicting rape, that's exactly what I said in my last post. Is there a difference between the depictions of war in Commando versus Saving Private Ryan?

Games that promote vigilantism, murder, and war crimes glorify either the actions or the characters that engage in them. Note that I'm not saying that games that depict these things uncritically are bad - they're junk culture and they serve to normalize these things, but they're not exhorting people to take up these pursuits. I can't comment on Gears of War because I've never played it, but GTA is perfectly OK because it is satire - it subverts and calls attention to the cultural forces that do normalize and glorify crime and murder.

Nimbus:

Kiutu:
Ok, I guess -I- will be the first to be against this.
Mostly it annoys me cause it seems more like people whining and being huge babies. Now, I know Japan does not have our government and laws (some we put on em yes, but not all) but still. Its like, why is this allowed but this not when it is very similar. So is games where girls are killed gonna be banned too? What about men/boys? Now yes, obviously few if any are playing these games for anything aside from sexual release, but for all we know it is a better outlet for peole with such fantasies. This is just like violence in gaming and is not going to make people who would not already do it start raping people or stalking them.
Equality Now, based on this they seem PETA-like. (Not a good thing)
Thats my view on this.

Actually, you're the second. The guy above you is the first.

I guess I'm the third. All the points I would have made, have already been made, and better than I could have made them.

I haven't bothered counting the number of other people against the ban but I am one of you.

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Kiutu:

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Kiutu:

Internet Kraken:
I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

Prove to me that rape games prevent rape. Show me a study that proves it.

This does not prevent rape. It only makes rape socially acceptable.

Prove to me that rape games makes it happen more (not counting virtually)
Also let me get my Lancer and cut you in half with the chainsaw. Oh, its fine, Gears of War isnt banned so its ok. (Unless you are sayign anything not nice should be banned, your point is very very flawed)

Also there is a big difference between sex and murder. Murder will never be acceptable in a functioning society. A society can not progress if there is mass murder.

Sex, on the other hand, can be a major part of society without it collapsing. We could have a society in which people look at one another as nothing more than sexual objects. It would still function, but such a society would be a disgrace.

Humm...possibly. Possibly not. We don't know that because we don't have such a society that we can examine and make such conclusions. Although there are plenty to choose from in fiction that show both the purely good side of things, the bad, and a little of both.

I mean...it's all very well to say for example that a hedonistic society would be an awful thing when the only experiences we've had with it are rampant STD's, rape, drug misuse etc.

In fact, I'd even say that it -could- work if for example, people took proper precautions to avoid STDs, left the rape to roleplay fantasies and used drugs both responsibly and properly. But, as with Communism, people are stupid, and perfectly adept at ruining a good thing. (Not to imply rape is ever a good thing, but, not saying that a willing couple acting out such fantasies is in the wrong.)

Good morning blues:

Hey now, when did I say that? Promotion of vigilantism, murder and war crimes absolutely is not okay.

Alright, I'll admit that I simply projected the image I have of the general forum member on you. I apologize for this.

However, FPS and third-person-shooters almost always promote murder and sometimes vigilantism.
Pretty much every RTS in existence shows war crimes and often enough has the player commit them.

It's just that the same people that defend those games when they're the target of critique will probably speak out against those rape games.

But I should probably give my own opinion on the issue:
Some people have rape fantasies. To be honest, I have some of those as well, though I'm imagining myself in the passive part (and yes, I'm aware that it would a traumatising experience if I would ever be really raped. I have at least one rape victim in my family and I've seen what it has done to her).
Anyway, as you could probably guess from the previous paragraph, I'm in the BDSM-scene, frequent a couple of related forums and also met some of the people on there in real life. You'd be amazed how many of the guys (and girls) there are into rape play. That doesn't make them monsters, everyone of them knows that there's a world of difference between their fantasies/sessions and a real rape.
My point is, most people are sane enough to make that distinction and those who aren't would probably become rapists anyway.

Sorry that the English in this post is probably very bad, but I'm really tired right now...

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Kiutu:

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Kiutu:

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Kiutu:

Internet Kraken:
I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

Prove to me that rape games prevent rape. Show me a study that proves it.

This does not prevent rape. It only makes rape socially acceptable.

Prove to me that rape games makes it happen more (not counting virtually)
Also let me get my Lancer and cut you in half with the chainsaw. Oh, its fine, Gears of War isnt banned so its ok. (Unless you are sayign anything not nice should be banned, your point is very very flawed)

You put forth the idea that these games prevent rape. I told you to provide proof. You could not, hence your entire argument is invalid.

Also there is a big difference between sex and murder. Murder will never be acceptable in a functioning society. A society can not progress if there is mass murder.

Sex, on the other hand, can be a major part of society without it collapsing. We could have a society in which people look at one another as nothing more than sexual objects. It would still function, but such a society would be a disgrace.

Fine, ignore the less rape part. My ENTIRE argument is not invalid as my ENTIRE argument was not that it prevents rape.

What other argument do you have?

It is a game that shows a fantasy, not real women gettting raped. Some people are into it but dont actually want to rape someone unwillingly (willingly would be sexual role play) and if this should be banned then so should violent games and THOSE should not be banned as it is JUST A GAME. They want to ban this game because it is unfair to women which is just stupid and does not promote equality and just promotes censorship which is wrong to do. Don't like it, don't play it or look at it. If you don't like people getting raped then join the police or keep an eye and ear out in the REAL WORLD for them instead of arguing with me.

Sounds like a victory for good taste.

DerpyDerpyDerp:
Just like animated CP is legal, so should animated rape. It's a game people. Saying games like that promote rape is exactly the same as Gears/Halo/whatever your poison promotes shooting people in the face.

Of course! When you put it like that we all realize how silly we're being. In Gears of War, Halo, and every other shooter on the planet you have to shoot the other person before they shoot you. In rape games you have to rape the other person for they--

-wait a minute...

Moormur:

joystickjunki3:

ygetoff:

The Youth Counselor:
I'm someone who argues in favor 99.99999% of the time for the freedom of expression and that a virtual simulation and real life act are completely separate. But I gotta say, It's about damn time.

this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry[/b]

:facepalms

I agree. This is going a bit beyond freedom of expression. What would the maker want to express with this game?

One could say the same thing about GTA or Manhunt.

And I very easily DO say the same thing about GTA or Manhunt.

OK, but, and keep in mind that I'm not asking this in a condescending way (honestly), but who are you to determine what people can express?

JanatUrlich:
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat??? But we rely on Japan for our crazy!

Dude if they get rid of rape porn and hentai and guro I'm never gonna forgive them

I don't think it'll matter to us Westeners (well, half-westerner in my case) since its already banned over here anyways :P

FinalGamer:
Well Japan, you ARE making steps.

Sadly all the wrong ones.

Yaaay my respect for Japan is now a postitive integer.

Its sad how many games on the internet there are for doing this. Ones that aren't banned and can be downloaded in minutes...

Then again, this goes up there with Manhunt and GTA. We dont ban THEM.

I havent played Manhunt, but I know that in GTA you get the attention of the cops and are chased. I suppose the fact that there might be consquences doesnt excuse the content.

mspencer82:
Sounds like a victory for good taste.

DerpyDerpyDerp:
Just like animated CP is legal, so should animated rape. It's a game people. Saying games like that promote rape is exactly the same as Gears/Halo/whatever your poison promotes shooting people in the face.

Of course! When you put it like that we all realize how silly we're being. In Gears of War, Halo, and every other shooter on the planet you have to shoot the other person before they shoot you. In rape games you have to rape the other person for they--

-wait a minute...

Grand Theft Auto. Postal. Etc.

Good morning blues:
Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

EDIT: Even better is the fact that it's being banned by industry policy and not legislation.

Wait, so you are supporting censoring material simply because nobody likes it? The games don't harm anybody, except possibly the gamer, but that can be said about doing most things.

While I don't support rape, I do support freedom of expression as long as you don't bring undue harm on someone.

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