Rape Games Banned in Japan

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Marv21:

and this guy HAS IT!
This is not art! This is depravity! Thus I think the correct response is an industry ban...more than reasonable, in fact I condone that idea!

If it was artistic...by everyones standards or by 65% of gamers....its art and it deserves to not be sold underground!

So something has to be art to be sold? What's your definition of art? Or rather, you think something should be banned because you think it's depraved? Hell, even if it is depraved you think that's reason to ban it? The whole goddamn industry would be under if we objectively banned thing because they were depraved. Can you honestly say saints row is art?

"First they came for the depiction of Rape in Video games, but I was not a supporter of the First Amendment so I did not speak out.
Then they came for Murder and Nudity in Movies, but I was not supporter of the First Amendment, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Media in all forms, but I was not a supporter of the First Amendment so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no longer a First Amendment to protect my rights."

Corny, and not entirely applicable, but maybe that will get it through your head.

imburke:
but this is fictional, you make it sound like a real life event, this is about a game in wchich theyre are no feelings, just animations, and what te player chooses to do, there is no dignity in a game like this already lol

They should at least have the women fight back.

This is a shame, I wanted to try these games.

of course major media and the industry will stand against it, like the CEO of EA would come out into a press release and go rape is a-ok! no one would buy his stuff, thats why all these games are third party development.
as a side note, this is kind of part of their culture, i mean, as odd as it is, you wouldnt want another country saying you couldnt play hockey or football because it condemns violence against children right?

I'd point out the irony here, but I'm fairly certain it's already been covered.

This is the country where the term 'tentacle-rape' originated, people.

G-Mang:

it's also interesting to note that Japan has a very low rape rate in relation to most other nations.

This is a very important point.

Most arguments for the ban revolve around the idea that these games promote rape. Statistics don't support that fact. The rape rate in the US is more than 15 times higher than Japan's.

I think most people would agree that virtual rape is preferable to actual rape.

JanatUrlich:

I'm passionate about my porn XD

oh aren't we all :P

but if they do fight back, does that make it worse or better?

Everyone who has played a violent video game and agrees with this ban is a fucking hypocrite.
If this offends you then don't play it. It's that simple.

Ethics Organization of Computer Software is a bloody joke. Japan's ethical rating of computer software is a bloody laugh, almost as non-existant as Duke Nukem Forever.

what the heck...

well there was that shake-the-baby iPhone app ordeal a while back haha

Pretty much what I think should be off-limits :
Any graphic/interactive Rape, Graphic/interactive depiction of torture or murder as in Saw, Hostel, or Se7en.

Violence, even if gory, isn't as bad when it's not done out of some twisted evil. A guy who blows someone up with a grenade in a battle isn't like a serial killer getting off on it.
Even in GTA killing is usually done as business, it's not done for a thrill. So and so talked to the cops, kill him, isn't AT ALL like "I've been stalking the family for 3 days, now i'm going to break in and carve them up and eat them."

Torture, and rape are always the act of a disturbed, evil mind.

Malygris:
Ethics Organization of Computer Software, Japan's PC game rating agency, has called for a halt to the retail sale of videogames that simulate rape.

Are there that many games out there? They call forth a halt on RETAIL sale of games with rape in them?

And here in america when the GTA series pulls its tits out for the first time, (coffee) everyone goes completely bonkers. In japan, there's a whole fucking genre for that sort of thing...

The mind reels.

Japan should have banned this shit a long time ago.

Interesting news. Even though the game is a weird concept, I think I will have to go with those on the opposing side of this. I mean, some of the points are good, like the whole double standard thing, but I think a very good point would come from some earlier comments about ratings. At a younger age, most children are impressionable, but after a certain age and parents reassuring, they realize that video games are not where you are suppose to get your morals from, but rather from reality. By the time most people are able to buy games like this, they should already realize that doing things simulated in the games are not socially acceptable and bad ideas. Some could say kids get violent from getting games about their rating, but that leads back to the initial problem that the parents let the kid have the game in the first place, or at least didn't make sure the kid already knew things like, "murder is bad".

*facepalm*

people who want to rape = wanted to do it before the game
violence against women = take in consideration, every other game in the world, i mean
ban smash bros then, mario beats the shit out of peach in that

vivaldiscool:

Marv21:

and this guy HAS IT!
This is not art! This is depravity! Thus I think the correct response is an industry ban...more than reasonable, in fact I condone that idea!

If it was artistic...by everyones standards or by 65% of gamers....its art and it deserves to not be sold underground!

So something has to be art to be sold? What's your definition of art? Or rather, you think something should be banned because you think it's depraved? Hell, even if it is depraved you think that's reason to ban it? The whole goddamn industry would be under if we objectively banned thing because they were depraved. Can you honestly say saints row is art?

"First they came for the depiction of Rape in Video games, but I was not a supporter of the First Amendment so I did not speak out.
Then they came for Murder and Nudity in Movies, but I was not supporter of the First Amendment, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Media in all forms, but I was not a supporter of the First Amendment so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no longer a First Amendment to protect my rights."

Corny, and not entirely applicable, but maybe that will get it through your head.

heheheh....yes yes it did! That is a good point, its all that first ammendment stuff! I was just saying art in general because thats something that everyone can agree thats needed. I did think Saints Row was artistic in the aspect that it showed the life in a suburban environment entirely populated by adults who act like kids who want to shot things up(if u can't tell im kidding).

Thats right...protect your right of censorship...im with you...you accuratly drove it threw my thick skull...KUDOS!

Good morning blues:

Caliostro:

Good morning blues:
Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

EDIT: Even better is the fact that it's being banned by industry policy and not legislation.

But murder is fine?

How about them double standards?

If you actually read the thread you would see that not only have I already responded to this, I have asserted that explicit and obvious promotion of murder is not acceptable in media.

Oh yeah. Definitely. Except it is accepted in games. (Games are becoming even more realistic all the time, which I believe the rape games were doing to. Showing the process of stalking somebody, and raping them. The same thing happens in games, but people had decided that killing is more acceptable.)

imburke:
but if they do fight back, does that make it worse or better?

According to Wikipedia it would just target another demographic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation_for_rape

Ziren:

imburke:
but if they do fight back, does that make it worse or better?

According to Wikipedia it would just target another demographic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation_for_rape

now thats just damn creepy haha

Bulletinmybrain:

Good morning blues:

Caliostro:

Good morning blues:
Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

EDIT: Even better is the fact that it's being banned by industry policy and not legislation.

But murder is fine?

How about them double standards?

If you actually read the thread you would see that not only have I already responded to this, I have asserted that explicit and obvious promotion of murder is not acceptable in media.

Oh yeah. Definitely. Except it is accepted in games. (Games are becoming even more realistic all the time, which I believe the rape games were doing to. Showing the process of stalking somebody, and raping them. The same thing happens in games, but people had decided that killing is more acceptable.)

I don't get what you're saying. Yes, there are abhorrent video games out there. No, I'm not cool with that.

So... mainstream America is just realizing that Japan has a weird rape fixation?

Way to be on the ball there, I figured this out when I was a teenager.

Of course a ban on rape games will put a nice big dent in the Japanese video game industry. It won't do squat about similarly themed Manga and live action videos.

At NoMoreSanity,

Underground? I would be surprised if it happened like that. More than likely, it will become more of a shareware model, where you simply pay to download an Unrated game, that has been self-rated by the makers as adult-only.

This "ban" is actually bad IMO, because there really won't be a way to make sure that the person downloading is of legal age. At least when they were getting official ratings and were physically sold on discs, the person in the adult-stores could refuse sales to minors (and boot the minor out of the store).

Now I don't agree with it for a reason most wouldn't understand (or even believe) Japanese hentai games normally have a GREAT story. As it would be with the cultural opposite of america. (think of the "plot" in a porno) It's fake images of fake girls. Anyone who thinks it's harmful must likewise think video games cause violent people. For those that don't play them for the story and are indeed sexual deviants, I would rather them play a fake game then for them to go out and try to rape the real thing.

mspencer82:

Yeah, and I feel the same way about those games as I do this rape simulator crap. Killing an armed opponent and murdering an unarmed non-combatant are very different things.

Actually, as far as psychological implications goes, it's not. It's teaching you to pull the trigger. It's teaching you to take a life.

Yet you play videogames where you you are constantly exposed and desensitized to violence and murder. But rape is out of line? Who draws the line? Where is the line drawn? Is murder better or more acceptable than rape? Are your tastes right and someone else's wrongs? How do we differentiate between objective and subjective?

There's a really good way to draw that line. A very clear, very simple, and very effective line: Was someone hurt? IS someone hurt because this game exists? No. It's fictional. Nobody is forced to play it either. So here's a thought: Don't like it? Don't play it.

From that point onward you can try to apply any other bullshit pseudo-intellectual mechanics that can ultimately be equally applied to anything someone else doesn't like all you want but it's moot. You don't like it? My god man, I have the perfect solution for you! Don't play it! You don't even have to buy it! I know, I'm brilliant!

Good morning blues:

If you actually read the thread you would see that not only have I already responded to this, I have asserted that explicit and obvious promotion of murder is not acceptable in media.

Actually you haven't, you danced around it.

I pose to you the same question as to the person above: Where does one draw the line? You seem to draw the line on taste, and taste alone is quite subjective. Read above for the rest, no need to copy paste.

Hmmmm, I wonder what the story is in this game?

NOOOOOOOOOOOO From where will I get my rape games now!?!

Like it or not, some people do have rape fantasies. Maybe more than we can imagine.

IMO, banning this kind of porn could prevent people who have rape fantasies from realising them virtually, which would make them more in need of those.

For example, when you are in need of sex, you can have sex with someone or go watch some porn. When you're finished with that, you won't need sex/porn for a little while if you have had enough. That's exactly the same thing for people who play rape games. They have to satisfy their desires, and I would say that satisfying them on a virtual game is much better than on a real person, no?

We can't always be hypocrite and lie to us by saying that this is digusting or horrible and such, it's part of the human nature to have sexual fantasies and you can't do anything about it, only control your own fantasies. Some people just need these kind of games/porn to help them control their sexual tensions.

I think it's time for people to grow up. This is a bad thing any way people look at it, especially on the censorship front. I find it very disturbing that even Japan is now giving in to censorship pressure rather than fighting.

Some of you might be saying at this point "but Theru, we're talking about a RAPE game". My answer to which is still "grow the heck up". Let me be honest, I'm the victim of a sexual assault (by a gay man) when I was like six. The experience was so traumatic that I apparently don't remember it, but I have been told it happened. I've spent time in therepy, and yes I know the problems with REAL rape as a phenomena.

The thing is though that "rape" is a common sexual fantasy for all genders and sexual orientations. The idea of being lusted after and taken forcibly by an attractive member of whatever group YOU happen to like. Heck, it's the theme of probably like 90% of the romance novels with women being kidnapped by some Pirate (portrayed by like Fabio on the cover) and used mercilessly by him until (sighs) she falls in love.

Now of course reality isn't like this, and of course this is where the seperation between fantasy and reality comes in. Typicall rape is performed by someone that the victim doesn't paticularly care for, or based soley on the gratification of the rapist, or some delusion that blurs fantasy and reality in some way.

However, this does not change the nature of the "Rape fantasy" in of itself and honestly I'd say it's pretty bloody "healthy" (in the fact that it's normal). You establish this precedent and I DEMAND people start looking into some of these bloody women's romance novels and crud. I can guaran-bloody-tee that your going to see some serious outrage from these women's groups if people started focusing on a lot of those.

A key example of where I guess a produced directed at men is considered to be in some way wrong, but turn it around and direct it at women and it's A-okay. Welcome to feminism.

For the record I will point at long-running and successful series of novels like "Gor" or "Marketplace" which appeal to memebers of both genders. In fact there is a whole "Gorean" BDSM culture that some people live as a kinky lifestyle (cosentually). Look up "Gorean" sometime. Not to mention the various erotic Anne Rice novels. Not so much her vampire stuff but books like "The Claiming Of Sleeping Beauty" which was marketed towards women.

Then I will also point out as someone who has watched a lot of anime and even played a few hentai games that typically rape is EITHER part of a horror plot, OR if portrayed as being a fairly "good" thing it's similar to the above novels where the "victim" actually winds up enjoying themselves.

"But wait! Rape Victims enjoying themselves is wrong!" some are going to protest. In reality this isn't the way it is, but we're not dealing with reality but people visualizing perverted daydreams.

I've never played "Rapelay" though it was reviewd on Something Awful and I have had some experiences with apparently less intense versions of the same concept (like Variable Geo which spawned it's own anime). Not to mention the ancient "Metal And Lace".

The basic premise as I understand it is that there is a fighting tournament full of attractive women where the losers wind up having to pleasure the winners who then move on. Of course the trick here is that your dealing with what amount to a group of hard doms (despite what they might act like overtly) who are after various objectives but also want to use the competition, and who also get off on being used when they lose, but prefer things go the other way.

A very basic simplification (and maybe I'm thinking of the wrong game like Battleraper, or any of the other games around this basic premise), but honestly I think the contreversy here is that they put "Rape" in the title, causing people to jump to conclusions, and of course the current tendency for businesses not to stand up to the censorship lobby.

I mean honestly Variable Geo and Rumble Roses (including the XX version) feature losers being humiliated by the winners in some rather sexy fashions. Typically as part of the rules of the tournaments/leagues in which the characters intentionally fight. It's a bloody ancient idea and nobody cared until "OMG! Someone has 'rape' in the title of a game on Amazon!".

... and honestly, if it's the game I think it is, there are worse. Knights Of Xentar and the series it came from (Dragon Knight or whatever), Lightning Warrior Raidy, and then there is this X-com inspired game someone was telling me about (I think Something Awful also reviewd it) involving female soldiers fighting tentecle rape demons (which actually sounds like something I might play if I could find it in a budget bin, since I like that genere of tactical game, and definatly have my perveted moments ).

>>>----Therumancer--->

>>>>----Therumancer--->

Those groups have made my list, for trying to hamper freedom of expression.

joystickjunki3:

ygetoff:

The Youth Counselor:
I'm someone who argues in favor 99.99999% of the time for the freedom of expression and that a virtual simulation and real life act are completely separate. But I gotta say, It's about damn time.

this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry[/b]

:facepalms

I agree. This is going a bit beyond freedom of expression. What would the maker want to express with this game?

One could say the same thing about GTA or Manhunt.

this, its the same thing as gta, or manhunt. they both are illegal acts of pornographic material.

Does this mean I'll have to start deleting things off my harddrive if I ever need to go Japan?

Nintenrulz:
Like it or not, some people do have rape fantasies. Maybe more than we can imagine.

IMO, banning this kind of porn could prevent people who have rape fantasies from realising them virtually, which would make them more in need of those.

For example, when you are in need of sex, you can have sex with someone or go watch some porn. When you're finished with that, you won't need sex/porn for a little while if you have had enough. That's exactly the same thing for people who play rape games. They have to satisfy their desires, and I would say that satisfying them on a virtual game is much better than on a real person, no?

We can't always be hypocrite and lie to us by saying that this is digusting or horrible and such, it's part of the human nature to have sexual fantasies and you can't do anything about it, only control your own fantasies. Some people just need these kind of games/porn to help them control their sexual tensions.

i dont agree with this, i agree that the games should not be baned but by your logic, child porn games should not be baned. because child porn games would keep child pornographers from committing rape.

haha personally I don't see how any supposedly moral person can ban this game while we have say Mad-world on the block with is literally a game based around killing someone in the most bloody inhuman ways imaginable :P.... does mad world, or say GTA, or saint's row 2 (etc) actually support murder? if not then why would you autonmatically think this supports rape? I suggest you people think about this before condemning something you don't understand, now admittedly I've never played anything of the sort, On the other hand a friend of mine, and a female one at that... after reading this totally wants the game.

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