Rape Games Banned in Japan

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Leorex:

Nintenrulz:
Like it or not, some people do have rape fantasies. Maybe more than we can imagine.

IMO, banning this kind of porn could prevent people who have rape fantasies from realising them virtually, which would make them more in need of those.

For example, when you are in need of sex, you can have sex with someone or go watch some porn. When you're finished with that, you won't need sex/porn for a little while if you have had enough. That's exactly the same thing for people who play rape games. They have to satisfy their desires, and I would say that satisfying them on a virtual game is much better than on a real person, no?

We can't always be hypocrite and lie to us by saying that this is digusting or horrible and such, it's part of the human nature to have sexual fantasies and you can't do anything about it, only control your own fantasies. Some people just need these kind of games/porn to help them control their sexual tensions.

i dont agree with this, i agree that the games should not be baned but by your logic, child porn games should not be baned. because child porn games would keep child pornographers from committing rape.

That depends on what you mean by "child porn". Do you mean actual CP, or hentai CP (know, I think, as "loli" or "lolicon")?

lol oops forget that last bit, I misspoke, but the point remains all the same.

There were studies done that showed that because of all these video games that simulate rape, there were less sexual acts of violence because offenders had found an outlet for their disgusting tendencies.

Hmmmm... I don't know what to make of it.

I guess this is the whole media effects theory all over again.

What IS acceptable in a game?

Rape, I personally don't think should be allowed.

But if you go by what is legal, things would become problematic.
Playing 'Counter Strike' for example, it would be illegal to play as the terrorists, yet perfectly legal to play as the counter terrorists.

By going for what is legal, this would also open the door to graphic sex games, as sex is clearly legal. Which would mean GTA4 would have all the guns, weapons and illegal car driving taken out!

I think there is going to be a massive cultural shift in the world thanks to games. Something much bigger than we have experienced already. Something that will shatter culture as we know it.

This is, like some guy on the first page said, PETA-like behaviour. Women are demeaned in fiction, therefore the fiction should be banned. This goes against the right to free speech. If you don't like the fiction, then don't seek it out.

Additonally, rape is one of my fetishes. I'd never rape someone, because I know that it is wrong, but that doesn't prevent me from playing with the fantasy. Games like RapeLay are damn good porn for people like me :) like a visualized masturbation-fantasy.

SODAssault:
Does this mean I'll have to start deleting things off my harddrive if I ever need to go Japan?

;)

pah, this is just pure smut forged into a game-like shape. Pedo-gaming if I may venture that far. My opinion is remove the games and ban their development or sale. Rape is not something that's "Entertaining" or "fun" contrary to what some really creepy people may tell you in the alleyway between Starbucks #273 and Starbucks #274 on Street Z.

I support their ban.

Well, there's no point in living anymore. I'll just go and take my life.

The only problem with banning 'rape' games is that there's a pesky thing called "The Internet"... people will still be able to download these rape games.

hebdomad:
I guess this is the whole media effects theory all over again.

What IS acceptable in a game?

Rape, I personally don't think should be allowed.

But if you go by what is legal, things would become problematic.
Playing 'Counter Strike' for example, it would be illegal to play as the terrorists, yet perfectly legal to play as the counter terrorists.

By going for what is legal, this would also open the door to graphic sex games, as sex is clearly legal. Which would mean GTA4 would have all the guns, weapons and illegal car driving taken out!

I think there is going to be a massive cultural shift in the world thanks to games. Something much bigger than we have experienced already. Something that will shatter culture as we know it.

Or, rather than changing the face of global culture as we know it, we could not take all the illegal stuff out of video games.

I suppose that this game "normalize[s] and promote[s] sexual violence against women and girls" in much the same way that the Grand Theft Auto series normalized and promoted drug dealing and vehicular homicide... to be succinct IT'S A F***ING GAME!!!!! IT IS NOT REAL F***ING LIFE!!!!!. (all this being said, i believe all rapists shound be forcibly made into eunuchs (no more male genitalia)).

Yay for Japan bending over to Americans feminazis. Give them too much more time and even the middle east will bow to them.

I might not agree with the subject matter of the games, but I AM a firm believer in personal freedom in any situation except where there is ACTUAL harm done to another.

Next the hentai games and hentai movies will be targeted by "women's rights" groups (really just groups made to stick it to anything male.) Japan doesn't have the guarantees of free speech that keeps porn legal in the US. Porn in all it's forms could very well be banned there if this pattern keeps up.

(on a side note, someone had to play the asshole here, and I could see that no one else would do it.)

Caliostro:
Actually you haven't, you danced around it.

I pose to you the same question as to the person above: Where does one draw the line? You seem to draw the line on taste, and taste alone is quite subjective. Read above for the rest, no need to copy paste.

Bullshit, I have danced around nothing. I have said that the difference between what's acceptable and what's not is glorification. Rape is not something that can be portrayed in a positive or even a neutral light, because, as much as people who like video games like to deny it, media is one of the primary determining forces of those parts of reality that are beyond our immediate experience, and therefore has a strong influence over people's perceptions of things like war, violence, crime and yes, sex. What, specifically, are you disagreeing with me about?

This is disappointing. I would have thought that gamers would understand the difference between playing a game and reality.

Maybe they should ban violent games as well. After all, we can't condone violence or rape. Hell, lets just ban every offensive game out there.

Good morning blues:

Caliostro:
Actually you haven't, you danced around it.

I pose to you the same question as to the person above: Where does one draw the line? You seem to draw the line on taste, and taste alone is quite subjective. Read above for the rest, no need to copy paste.

Bullshit, I have danced around nothing. I have said that the difference between what's acceptable and what's not is glorification. Rape is not something that can be portrayed in a positive or even a neutral light, because, as much as people who like video games like to deny it, media is one of the primary determining forces of those parts of reality that are beyond our immediate experience, and therefore has a strong influence over people's perceptions of things like war, violence, crime and yes, sex. What, specifically, are you disagreeing with me about?

Really? Picture Daffy Duck raping Porky Pig. That's pretty funny, and funny is a positive thing. Also, these games kept people who might want to try raping someone just for the experience of doing it from actually doing it. According to every study not paid for my anti-porn groups (and even some of the ones that are) incidences of sex crimes DROP when porn, prostitution and simulations of sex crimes are legal.

asinann:
Yay for Japan bending over to Americans feminazis. Give them too much more time and even the middle east will bow to them.

I might not agree with the subject matter of the games, but I AM a firm believer in personal freedom in any situation except where there is ACTUAL harm done to another.

Next the hentai games and hentai movies will be targeted by "women's rights" groups (really just groups made to stick it to anything male.) Japan doesn't have the guarantees of free speech that keeps porn legal in the US. Porn in all it's forms could very well be banned there if this pattern keeps up.

(on a side note, someone had to play the asshole here, and I could see that no one else would do it.)

Uncensored porn is already illegal in Japan. Hehehe, sucks to be them :P

The Youth Counselor:

Child Pornography laws differ from state to state and many have banned depictions of it in drawn and even written form.

Didn't you hear about the FBI crackdown on fanfiction.net that led to arrests?

Wait, what?? I posted a parody on there a while ago. I don't want to get arrested because someone someday objects to something I fucking wrote and posted as fiction on the internet. Is that what happened?

Sorry about the off-topic. Anyway.

Some people have been using violent video games as an example of something abhorrent that we accept. I'd like to bring up Pokemon as an example of subjecting innocents to truly horrific situations. Pokemon don't even get to DIE. They just KO and have to fight again later. btw I love that game.

To be concise, I don't support banning it on principle, and based on America's previous experience with ethically rating simulation games (murder, rape, otherwise, incidental or not) I think we should find proof of negative effects FIRST before trying to ban it. The whole innocent before proven guilty bit. Sound familiar?

What! This is outrageous, all that's going to happen is that the business will be driven underground. Where there's a want, there's a way...

Stupid feminists...

Its about time, but these type of games have been popular in Japan for some time now. its strange that this game ended up on Amazon of all places but oh wells. Its time for them to go.

gof22:

imburke:
but this is fictional, you make it sound like a real life event, this is about a game in wchich theyre are no feelings, just animations, and what te player chooses to do, there is no dignity in a game like this already lol

They should at least have the women fight back.

What, so people could go and say "You Violently rape people in this game"?

Personally, I'm against rape in all it's depictions, real or otherwise. But, you guys can go masturbate to depictions of women (or men, whatever floats your boat) being brutalized, it's a free country.

It will never work. The japanese love their violent porn too much.

Joeshie:
This is disappointing. I would have thought that gamers would understand the difference between playing a game and reality.

Maybe they should ban violent games as well. After all, we can't condone violence or rape. Hell, lets just ban every offensive game out there.

Well I wrote a response in detail which is being buried as I type this.

In short however I agree with you. This is a bad move for censorship in general, especially seeing as Japan is not fighting it at least domestically.

Besides which you start to establish a precedent that gets quite disturbing. As I mentioned earlier a good portion of the entire "Romance" genere is based around rape fantasies (being taken roughly by someone your attracted to). Not to mention some stuff in horror fiction (rape is horrifying for obvious reasons, and banning something because it's scary kind of defeats the purpose of the genere).

Honestly though it scares me to death that the game industry is not fighting back. I'm looking back to various attempts to ban books through the years. Everything from the writings of "The Marquis De Sade", to "Don Juan", to "Lolita". Success has only been temporary when it has actually happened, BUT there were always people fighting against it. Right not it seems that all the people who should be fighting are too scared for finiancial reasons to do what is right.

It's been a while since I've read it, but let's be honest... 101 Days in Sodom (I think it's called, I have an old copy printed with some of his other stuff in a paperback from the 1960s gathering dust somewhere, not my usual fare, but one of the more warped things I've read) is like a hundred times more disturbing that most of the stuff being banned for sexual content... and if anything I think the catagory of "sex" should be moving forward in intensity in the media in general (but that's another discussion).

At any rate "Sodom" (mentioned above) has a pretty warped story which involves the heavy duty molestation of young children and... other things... at the hands of a rather freakish group of people representing the elite of society for the time. However the end of the 'book' goes into a list of perversions which are divided into three catagories, the ending group of which is 'lethal' and basically amounts to what people currently refer to as "Guro".


But basically if freedom of speech covers our buddy The Marquis, one has to argue under what grounds some of this stuff can possibly be banned. Anyone with half a brain should be pointing out that if you can find his books, or track down a copy of Anne Rice's "Claiming Of Sleeping Beauty" trilogy. Oh and I don't just have Sleeping Beauty in paperback, I've also got the "book on tape" version [perverted leer].

So being repetitive, I think this is ridiculous, and honestly if this kind of stuff offends you, there is noone forcing you to play it. "We must protect the children" is not an excuse to engage in information fascism. How about "Parents must protect THEIR children" trying to change society so they can be lazy is what a good portion of the complaints are about.

>>>----Therumancer--->

BTW> Daffy Duck and Porky Pig is too "furry" for me, and I am straight. However I did like the images that were being circulated a few years ago of Jasmine, Belle, and Ariel (human form) having a disney princesses orgy. :)

THAT'S A PRETTY FUCKING GOOD IDEA.

And that's my general thoughts on the subject encapsulated into one sentence. Seriously, whomever makes this shit should be thrown in jail. Yes, I know, freedom of expression and all, but GOOD GOD, COME ON!

Hmm, I wouldn't play this game, but people have been fair to point out the hypocrisy of banning rape but not murder in fictional games, and only more so because it's only games and not other types of fiction being changed by this.

You can say what you want ethically about rape, but murder is the ending of any possible future life, unless you believe in life after death, in which case you probably believe murder as a sin anyway. Rape normally ruins life, but some brave souls at the victim's end can recover from it and live decent lives. In this sense, murder's still worse. Of course it goes deeper than that, but I just thought I'd play with the logic a little.

The psychology behind these games is interesting too, in that you can argue both ways. We could say that either these games encourage addiction (by introducing people to the idea, and perhaps making them enjoy it because of repetitive exposure) or discourage real life enactments of the addiction (by allowing the person to do something they know is wrong in a way that doesn't effect the real world). I think the result, however, would have to be a mixture of both, and in that sense the effect would amount to neutrality. In this sense, restriction may be meaningless.

With that said, exposing new people to this kind of thing would mean more people would have a chance of wanting it, and I don't support the corruption of human desire itself. It may be something that some people who are disturbed and need to express this feeling in some way need these medias until they can somehow psychologically overpower the desire. One thing is certain; such a media, if not in the wrong already, would become wrong the moment it is shared with someone who isn't in that rut already. Because at that point, it may begin to twist more desires.

The unfortunate reality about these "rape genres" and other twisted media is that they DO get shared if you release them to the public. That means the amount of people with rape fantasies could steadily increase as this genre grew in the public space. That, I think, is where restriction must come in.

If that is the case, then perhaps killing in games should be banned too. As someone who plays FPS games regularly, I do feel somewhat guilty for saying so, but I would never wish the love for such games on other people, since I also have a sense of guilt for enjoying such games.

hebdomad:
Playing 'Counter Strike' for example, it would be illegal to play as the terrorists, yet perfectly legal to play as the counter terrorists.

Actually, both sides are committing a crime; the counter terrorists are committing an international war crime by being there at all, particularly since they're American, as you can tell by the flags imprinted on most of their uniforms.

Anyone know if Japan has anything similar to a freedom of speech law that could possibly be used to counter this move?

I've never played or attempted to play RapeLay but umm... I don't see why a game that simulates rape is this horrendous thing which needs to be banned, and games that depict torture and the brutal treatment of other human beings is still allowed to be sold. Actually a very large percentage of games include at least some violent content which would not be suitable in real life.

I mean, I don't care that they banned it but this whole situation seems very hypocritical

USA2018:
I suppose that this game "normalize[s] and promote[s] sexual violence against women and girls" in much the same way that the Grand Theft Auto series normalized and promoted drug dealing and vehicular homicide... to be succinct IT'S A F***ING GAME!!!!! IT IS NOT REAL F***ING LIFE!!!!!. (all this being said, i believe all rapists shound be forcibly made into eunuchs (no more male genitalia)).

what about female rapists? it DOES happen :P.

Holy crap. There's a market for games where the objective is raping women?

Christ, that's sick.

I mean, at least in war games, you're playing a soldier, fighting other soldiers who can defend themselves.

Good morning blues:

Bullshit, I have danced around nothing. I have said that the difference between what's acceptable and what's not is glorification. Rape is not something that can be portrayed in a positive or even a neutral light, because, as much as people who like video games like to deny it, media is one of the primary determining forces of those parts of reality that are beyond our immediate experience, and therefore has a strong influence over people's perceptions of things like war, violence, crime and yes, sex. What, specifically, are you disagreeing with me about?

Which game does not glorify violence, killing, or otherwise doing things that endanger other people?

Hello Kitty Online?

Barbie's Pony Adventures?

Almost every game we have today is about glorifying horrible things. Things we shouldn't do in real life, thus we do them in a game, where nobody is hurt.

The big issue here is, are we capable of differentiating games and real life? If we are it matters little whether we're playing a racing simulator driving through traffic at 100 miles per hour, a game where we have to shoot, bludgeon, stab, burn and garrot wire people to death, or a game where we're raping someone. If we can't, then it also doesn't matter because we really shouldn't be allowed to play ANY game anyways.

Is rape horrible? Yes. Is it more horrible than murder? No. Is murder wrong? Yes. Can a grown up, well adjusted person differentiate between games and real life? Yes.

I... Don't really care. Huh.

If you're the type of person to actually rape someone, I doubt a game would be the thing to trigger you. Just have it appropriately warned so little Jimmy down the street doesn't play it.

The Youth Counselor:
Rape is considered to by many to be the most depraved and heinous of crimes, even more heinous than murder or treason. The act takes away the feeling and basic human right of personal safety. For a victim was violated in a way that was sacred and the rapist uses sex which is normally an act of trust and love into a weapon. These games aren't a good release. The normal human being has a violent fantasy now and again, but most games depict them in an act of defense. Violent video games tend not harbor more of the mentality and promote it. They don't distort the violence as a magical thing where the victim "likes to be killed, or was just asking for it"These games are made for an audience that will continue to harbor these urges after playing. They are simply an excercise in sadism and morally abhorrent beliefs.

One in four women worldwide undergo some sexual abuse or harrassment. In Japan where sex crimes are high, and sexism goes deep into it's very laws, something has to be done.

We also need to draw the line on what we can show in fiction and virtual depictions, so that less controversy hits the mainstream. Art should have no boundaries, and be able to address anything and everything. However this is just immature, depraved trash that addresses the issue of rape in an irresponsible gratuitous pornographic light. We as a community know that the lowest selling controversial game garners an outrage, but rape simulators are estimated to account to 15-20 of the Japanese game market. This is heat we do not need.

We talk about how rape is a hideous thing, and that we need to teach our sisters and daughters how to live. But what do we teach our sons.

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

Now don't get me wrong, I hate it when games get banned or people put pressure on government to ban games. However rape games are one of the few games genres I'm very much for the banning of. Yes games are form of media expression, however we really do need to reach a point where we say that "O.K this is really fucked up" and close our doors to this kind of messed up shit.

Caliostro:

mspencer82:

Yeah, and I feel the same way about those games as I do this rape simulator crap. Killing an armed opponent and murdering an unarmed non-combatant are very different things.

Actually, as far as psychological implications goes, it's not. It's teaching you to pull the trigger. It's teaching you to take a life.

Yet you play videogames where you you are constantly exposed and desensitized to violence and murder. But rape is out of line? Who draws the line? Where is the line drawn? Is murder better or more acceptable than rape? Are your tastes right and someone else's wrongs? How do we differentiate between objective and subjective?

There's a really good way to draw that line. A very clear, very simple, and very effective line: Was someone hurt? IS someone hurt because this game exists? No. It's fictional. Nobody is forced to play it either. So here's a thought: Don't like it? Don't play it.

From that point onward you can try to apply any other bullshit pseudo-intellectual mechanics that can ultimately be equally applied to anything someone else doesn't like all you want but it's moot. You don't like it? My god man, I have the perfect solution for you! Don't play it! You don't even have to buy it! I know, I'm brilliant!

I can't believe you're trying to justify a rape game by saying "well there are things just as bad out there". First of all, murder and kill or be killed situations are different. Self defense is not murder, any idiot knows that. Plowing someone over with a car (Grand Theft Auto), now that's a different story.

However, there is and never will be a justifiable reason to rape someone.

If I don't like it I shouldn't buy it? What the hell kind of logic is that? If I don't like murder should I just not kill anyone and say it's okay for everyone else because that's just what they're into? What school did you go to? I'd really like to see it shut down if they're turning around people that think rape is acceptable as long as it's simulated.

Anyone buying this game is a sick and twisted individual, and right now I'm thinking the same thing about the people who condone it.

I never thought I would live to see the day where the banning of rape video games would affect almost a quarter of a nation's industry.

There are going to be hundreds of people laid off, and when they're asked why they'll have to say "Because the government banned video game rape."

That's just surreal.

10-20% of video games in Japan are rape related?
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No, I can't think of anything to say...

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