Rape Games Banned in Japan

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swaki:
how graphic does it have to become before its banned, i remember playing the path, in which one (possibly more but i only played it whit one girl) got raped yet the game was wildly appreciated, and ill say i find murder and torture till death to be far worse than rape yet those things are in bout 90% of all games made, the last 10% are games by popcap.

To be frank, a) the rape was implied, not shown. And b) to be honest, the sound of the 'event' didn't sound like rape to me, personally. Just my two pennies on the Path thing. Still hated that game.

I hate to trivialise things like this, but bear with me.

Marmite. Some people love it, others hate it. Now, if the people that hated it tried to get it banned because they didn't like it and thought it was disgusting, we'd think they were pretty damn retarded, right? Marmite isn't hurting anyone. A sizeable amount of people might not like it, but that's no reason to ban it completely.

Same with this. Until the people trying to make the case against Rapelay (and other 'rape simulators' - and I hate that term, since the last thing they do is simulate anything. At best, they're a badly-written animated (or sometimes just illustrated) story) can prove that these kinds of games actually have any harmful effects in any way whatsoever, then it comes down to a war of personal tastes. Which is just silly. It basically boils down to 'nah nah, I'm right and you're wrong, I can't hear you lalalalala', which is most definitely NOT how international affairs should be handled.

Hentai-like games (and I say this because if there's one unifying factor in most hentai, it's rape or bondage of some sort) provide an outlet for people who entertain power fantasies, or maybe just have a bit of a dominant side and don't have a sub to go with them. That doesn't mean they will rape people in real life.

People just need to realise that thinking about something is not a crime. You can't get arrested for thinking about murder, you can't get arrested for thinking about rape. I can think about braining my next door naighbour with a frying pan - even write stories about it, or make up a little flash game - but that in no way means I would actually consider going round his house and assaulting him. Like the old kitten killing flash games that were all the rage a few years ago. I seriously doubt anyone who played them actually shot cats with catapults.

Still, people will be people. So long as there is a mainstream, there will be outliers wanting to change it to suit their ideas.

Bigfootmech:
Watch the rape rates in Japan soar. Congratulations Feminists. You're making the world a worse place one country at a time.

If you're implying that japanese potential rapists rely solely on rape oriented entertainment to keep them off the streets, then relax. There is PLENTY of molesty porn over there and it's widely available. But I'm sure if you keep looking you'll find another way to make rape the fault of women so hang in there!

I apologize for not reading this thread entirely but why is it only being banned now?!

I mean who seriously thought that this would be a good concept for a game and why has no one done anything to ban them sooner!

True I know there are many games in the world where the characeter may be persistantly breaking the law, with cases such as man slaughter and theft, but even games of the most strictest ratings have to be careful not to go over the top (e.g. Manhunt). To be honest just thinking about a game of this genre sickens me and I am surprised that no one has stepped in sooner to put an end to them.

Pornography (including the abundant rape-roleplaying kind) was vital to decreasing the number of sex crimes in Japan -- at least if you believe the linked Japanese-American scientific study.

As much as I'd like that Japan stop producing so much rape porn, I don't think that it's really possible or even favorable for such a culture.

Clarkarius:
To be honest just thinking about a game of this genre sickens me and I am surprised that no one has stepped in sooner to put an end to them.

I totally agree with you. It's simply sick.
Simulating an act, in with you not only physically but also mentally abuse a female.
I think that's a point were personal freedom ends.

off-note:
Every raper should be sliced into two pieces by a big rusty iron bar impacting his ass.

Hey, when they say art emulates real life - obviously the creators of this game felt that 'art' so far was too limited in expression.

hilarious though... a game the simulates rape.

neoman10:
wha..? these games exist?

exactly my thought
.....

Allan Foe:
Pornography (including the abundant rape-roleplaying kind) was vital to decreasing the number of sex crimes in Japan -- at least if you believe the linked Japanese-American scientific study.

As much as I'd like that Japan stop producing so much rape porn, I don't think that it's really possible or even favorable for such a culture.

Don't think I trust that because the American porn industry is MASSIVE and they will try and find a way to boost their sales and widen their means.

I went and looked up the game on wikipedia and found more links to stuff about Japan. How messed up is a country where there are women-only cars on the metro because there are so many weirdos feeling up chicks?

whos sick idea was it to make this game then to think it would sell on amazon.

Malygris:
Rape Games Banned in Japan

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The Ethics Organization of Computer Software, Japan's PC game rating agency, has called for a halt to the retail sale of videogames that simulate rape.

The ban appears to be the culmination of events that began in February, when two copies of the Japanese game RapeLay accidentally appeared on Amazon.com. Despite its nearly immediate removal and the fact that it was designed exclusively for the Japanese market, outrage quickly followed from sources including British Parliament, the New York City Council and the international women's rights group Equality Now.

Equality Now actually launched a campaign calling for the Japanese government to ban the sale of games that feature "rape, stalking or other forms of sexual violence or which otherwise denigrate women." The group said the games violate Japan's obligations under the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women to "eliminate works that normalize and promote sexual violence against women and girls."

Amazingly, according to the Canned Dogs blog (which translated the original Tokyo Broadcasting System report), this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry and the EOCS had not previously considered it a problem. But with the pressure growing, the organization has now decided to comply with the demand and seek a ban not just on the retail sale of such games but also their development by any of its more than 200 members.

The new measures take effect on June 2, although it may not be enough to satisfy critics: Like the ESRB in North America, the EOCS is a voluntary organization and the ban is not legally binding.

via: Gamasutra

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wtf. why do these games even exist lol.

Yet again I curse my reviewer's desire to seek out bad things that are easy to criticize and experience them just to mock them. It almost makes me want to buy this just so I could write about how bad it was... this desire was what led me to review Aki-Sora after all.

Doug:

To be frank, a) the rape was implied, not shown.

and thats what i mean by how graphic does it have to be, is it the act it self they find offending or is the graphic demonstration they found so offending they banned the game.

and by a quick look at the box art on this game it seems to be revolving more around boyish fantasies in a almost innocent cartoonish style, while the path (btw i agree i didn't like that game either) although not showing but merely implying the act it was done in a much darker tone showing the perversion and seducing.

Virtual rape will be banned so they do it in real life?

All I can say is:

ABOUT.....BLOODY....TIME

Games about rape really help to give gaming as an industry a bad reputation. Because it's games like that the media point to as an example of how gaming is bad, disregarding wholesome titles like Portal. Less rape games is a good thing.

I mean it's one thing to use women as sexual selling points, and something else to be ALL about violent raping them like they are toys. Jesus.

(I never thought I would use the words 'rape' and 'Portal' in the same context before.... creepy)

Hey guys

http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/05/28/rape-games-not-really-banned-and-i-hate-tbs/

lollll

Anyway blah blah blah Rape games shouldn't be banned blah blah blah THOUGHT CRIME blah blah blah Christian values of morality are silly when applied to reality blah blah blah

Cliff_m85:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.

It harmz mai eyez

I haven't read through the whole thread so maybe it's already been pointed out but...

No, rape games aren't banned by the EOCS. TBS fabricated the report.
http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/05/28/rape-games-not-really-banned-and-i-hate-tbs/

What happens on june 2nd is that the EOCS plan to review their regulations, so a ban may be discussed.

While usually a fan of the "to each their own" stance.

Thank god this is banned. People who got kicks out of this game were clearly disturbed.

neoman10:
wha..? these games exist?

Yeah thats what I am thinking...
And 10-20 percent of the Pc gaming industry... I dont know what to say.

So these were legal at some point?

That's just wrong.

Wow... I can't believe that video games which let you simulate rape were ever legal in japan. Man and I thought the vending machince with used schoolgirl panties was bad.

I despise the games in this genre and the subject material. I played on once out of curiosity. Awful.

Know what I like even less?
People who try to get something banned because THEY don't like it. Yeah, it's sick, but we're adults and we don't need the God damned morality police.

Banning this genre begins a trip down a slippery slope that is, in all honesty, more frightening than the fact that people actually play and enjoy such things.

At first I didn't know what side to take with this. Yes rape is a terrible thing, perhaps worse than murder but there is a basic principle here that I think is being violated. I mean once they are able to ban a certain genre of gaming, where does it end? Obviously the people who banned rape games are also gonna want to ban any game that breaks the law (virtually) and before you know it, Japan's censorship will become just like China's.

And seriously, Japan of all countries? They practically invented porn!

FoxParadox:
I mean once they are able to ban a certain genre of gaming, where does it end? Obviously the people who banned rape games are also gonna want to ban any game that breaks the law (virtually) and before you know it, Japan's censorship will become just like China's.

People can differentiate.
And just because something horrible like the simulation of raping gets banned (if it gets banned...) doesn't mean that automatically Japan is going to release a law against premarital sex with a death penalty and start suing all people who watch porn for millions of dollars.

Apparently it was all one big hoax to prove more people were pro those games than anti.

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/29/media-invents-eroge-ban/

hmmmm... i'm not entirely sure how to feel about this on one hand i support getting rid of pornographic games centered around rape but this would also ban games where rape was(for lack of a better phrase) handled more artistically.

This works on the idea that it is degenarative to women, however what if you could rape everyone the n it would be Ok right.
seriously though, I wonder if they would to all this effert to ban games for women that involved raping women. probably not.

Blue Sonnet:

Very much in agreement with you on this, especially considering the extremely low rape incidence rate in the country itself

Just as a point of contention: Rape statistics reflect REPORTED rapes, not the incidence of ACTUAL rapes. A good number of rape victims never report the incident due to shame, guilt, or fear, especially in a place like Japan where they harbor a rather passive attitude towards rape. (Heck, one Japanese politician even linked rape with healthy signs of virility).

Hmm how come no one has talked about "THE PATH" its about rape too...all the girls get raped and KILLED in that game.after seeing all this stuff online i went and downloaded the game 2 see what its all about: its some dude who get caught doing some perverted thhing to some gorl on a train so a girl reprts him.so the guy goes on a vengeance mission to rape all the 3 people in the famil:the mom and her 2 daughters.and its pretty much some weird scenes in a train where you touch the girl and then you rape them in some place.THIS IS THE ONLY RAPE PART.after that you actually have consensual sex with them in locations.i didnt see what all the fuss was about.its good for a wank but nothing more or less.i didnt feel like going out and raping someone walking about...much the same as i dont feel like killing someone when i get out after playin CoD4.this has been made a big enough deal aldready and has been proven to be fake(The allegations.theres another thread about it) so chill aldready.and it says if your not 18 turn it off and stuff.it is a restricted game no doubt so dont give it to kids.no need 4 banning it.

Molten Water:
Hmm how come no one has talked about "THE PATH" its about rape too...all the girls get raped and KILLED in that game.after seeing all this stuff online i went and downloaded the game 2 see what its all about: its some dude who get caught doing some perverted thhing to some gorl on a train so a girl reprts him.so the guy goes on a vengeance mission to rape all the 3 people in the famil:the mom and her 2 daughters.and its pretty much some weird scenes in a train where you touch the girl and then you rape them in some place.THIS IS THE ONLY RAPE PART.after that you actually have consensual sex with them in locations.i didnt see what all the fuss was about.its good for a wank but nothing more or less.i didnt feel like going out and raping someone walking about...much the same as i dont feel like killing someone when i get out after playin CoD4.this has been made a big enough deal aldready and has been proven to be fake(The allegations.theres another thread about it) so chill aldready.and it says if your not 18 turn it off and stuff.it is a restricted game no doubt so dont give it to kids.no need 4 banning it.

Sorry, but rape is illegal, pictures of raping are illegal, even fictional. Images of killing aren't illegal if they are illegal, because then every history book with pictures would get banned.

Why would anyone ever defend rape games?

swaki:

Doug:

To be frank, a) the rape was implied, not shown.

and thats what i mean by how graphic does it have to be, is it the act it self they find offending or is the graphic demonstration they found so offending they banned the game.

and by a quick look at the box art on this game it seems to be revolving more around boyish fantasies in a almost innocent cartoonish style, while the path (btw i agree i didn't like that game either) although not showing but merely implying the act it was done in a much darker tone showing the perversion and seducing.

Again, I came to a different conclusion - that rape wasn't involved and it was more the imagining of people who mistook the sounds of sex for rape.

And also, I found the Path confusing, unpleasant, and somewhat distrubing (not in a way I like)

NoMoreSanity:
Good, though there still will be a huge underground market for this.

The main question is were these games fun ?

as in did you enjoy playing them ?

were they more fun then games like COD4 ?

if not then i really don't care

gof22:

nikomas1:

gof22:

imburke:
but this is fictional, you make it sound like a real life event, this is about a game in wchich theyre are no feelings, just animations, and what te player chooses to do, there is no dignity in a game like this already lol

They should at least have the women fight back.

What, so people could go and say "You Violently rape people in this game"?

I don't see why they just don't make the game about women just submitting to sex. Why do you have to rape them? Killing people in a game is quite fun, at least in that you are trying to fight for something. In these you just rape someone, no real goal. Maybe the should have just had the player buy a hooker instead and play rape games with her, At least then she is submitting herself for payment.

Well, I don't think it's anything that bad, the game I mean, let the sickos enjoy their sick games.
Besides, if you paid for it (hookers), it removes the rape aspect of the game, and then it would lose the draw.

I googled a review and found one on somethingawful.com
I have to admit that I haven't played the game, but what I read there was quite shocking.

The next paragraph is a quote out of the review and NOT written by me:

Defining Moment: I wish I could say that the first instance of bloody cock or the rape that takes place on top of the child's enormous bed were the defining moments of the game. That would have been enough - more than enough - but, these are both things I have seen in Hentai games before. Pregnancy and abortion are new twists on this filthy genre, and they were disturbing, but they still don't quite win out. No, the winner on this one are the tears that glisten and move in the little girl's eyes.

{quote end}

I am sorry, but anybody who gets turned on by pressing buttons and therefore causes a virtual (yes VIRTUAL but still..) 11 years old girl getting violated in such a way, should plug out his computer, take two metal paper clips and put them into the power outlet without using gloves.

Yes I know that there is something called personal freedom. But as soon as a person shows interest in how it looks like when 11 year old girls get sexually penetrates, bleeds and cries, there is something wrong with that person.

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