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There is one way out of this... Bankruptcy! Or would that not work? | |
She could always change her identity and move to Canada... | |
I'd do the same as the lady in this case. "Oh, very good. You have access to millions of dollars worth of lawyers. I don't. And you won! Good job there, mate. I'll just go live in my box now. I'll get a few friends to send photos of my box to CNN, though. Do you mind?" That woman deserves a high five. | |
Well, I guess it shows they mean business. | |
There is a way to avoid this.... don't fileshare and infringe on copyrights. GASP | |
$2million? Do jurors just pull big sounding numbers out their asses for these things? | |
Arent songs 99c on iTunes so surely she only owes the $1683 ? & if she's buying 1700 shouldnt she get a discount ;D | |
Would work. | |
I'm going to say here what I said the first time I heard about it: That's bullshit. | |
Never give a Lawyer a challenge. They WILL drain blood from Turnips if you rile them. I don't know who to side with on this, but I know that woman shouldn't have thrown that remark in, it will haunt her | |
Judges do that. Jurers just decide guilty or not guilty. | |
Dear RIAA: I have a full 120 gigabyte hardrive filled with MP3's I downloaded off the internet. If you are reading this now, I fucking dare you to come to my house right now and try to put me in court. You're going to get a face-full of RIAA beater, bitches. Love, Adam "buy_teh_haloz" Khafagy. P.S. For the uninitiated, it's a 2 by 4 plank of wood with a fuckload of nails on each side. | |
This is fucking ridiculous. The absolute most she should have to pay is the retail value of the songs. | |
I'll never understand why there are laws against file-sharing/pirating... I mean, I know why but I'll never understand it. | |
Did she break the law? Yup. Is the RIAA being completely unreasonable? Yup. | |
What she needs is the help of another single mother. I know, we really shouldn't joke about this. But damn, $1.92 million. Where on earth did these numbers get set? I say anything beyond 5X what Apple is charging for them is ludicrous - $10,000 per song is simply insane. | |
You see, in this here Capitalist society, we have these things called businesses. They are headed up by the minions of Cthulu and exist only to make money. They are especially prevalent in media of all types. This is because when you buy a CD/DVD/game, you actually hand over a small part of your soul, which is used for sustenance by the CEOs. The CEOs know that if people simply pirate their music, they'll starve, and so they use their madness-inducing mind control powers to make the jurys and judges in piracy trials to always convict guilty and force huge penalty fines. Of course, they know that noone would buy their soul draining discs unless it was good, so they strive to actually make what they produce entertaining. Most people on here don't believe in souls anyway, so the problems with buying music don't bother them. If you don't believe in the soul-drain discs and you still pirate, I guess you're just a greedy bastard that doesn't want to pay money, and you should be prosecuted. Catch 22... | |
Welcome to the Twilight Zone: also known as the jurisdiction of copyright/patent law. It has some strange effects, like the flying whales: just try to ignore them as you attempt to make sense of the penalties issued. | |
There wouldn't be any falling bowls of petunias as well would there? | |
A man can dream... he can dream. | |
As I said in the thread before this, this is way too big a fine. They'll never get anything from her, I mean if she had money she wouldn't have downloaded those songs. | |
And this is why I have stopped buying any music whatsoever. I go to concerts to support the artists I like as that usually where they get their biggest take of the profits from. CDs and MP3s are just there to feed those greedy pricks that barely do anything beyond leech off the talent of the actual musicians. So to use a phrase from the wise Goerge Carlin. Fuck the RIAA, fuck them in their asses with a big rubber dildo, then break it off and beat them to death with the rest of it. | |
well i guess she could whore herself out to a million fat chicks i kid but seriously that is friked up (and any one who doesn't get the family guy reference has no sense of humor) | |
I remember the old days when pirating music meant seizing Warner Bros cargo ships full of Al Jarreau LPs and whisking them off to Brazil for trade on the black market. Good times. | |
Why the hell did she lie? That's just stupid. | |
0.o | |
Thank God I live in Poland, when they never sue single people, only ones that pirate games and sell them for profit on a mass scale. And even then it's only thrice the retail price. So if she had 1700 songs (...Jesus Christ), that's 1700 x 9 PLN. That would equal only 15,3k PLN. About $5000. Woot for us. | |
Ouch... did she download them or distribute them over the web? Because this seems kinda harsh. | |
Well this lady has just entered *to quote another guy on the thread The Twillight zone* | |
Their ways of distributing media is flawed and needs to adapt. That's it... That's all there is to it. Someone found a way to distribute media cheaper and more effective and the big corporations don't like that. So what do they do? They complain of course. Now, so far I'm with them. I mean, of course you complain when everything your company is built upon is falling apart. What I can't comprehend is why the government listens to these people... I'm pretty sure that people are going to complain when they lose their jobs at Wal-mart because robots have been developed that can do their job twice as fast, twice as cheap. That doesn't mean that we should ban robots... | |
"$9250 for each" Those songs are $.99 on iTunes. That's just ridiculous. | |
I can see both sides of this argument yes she downloaded and distributed songs illegally but 9250 for each is ridiculous I say charge her twice the retail price for each song and call it a day with a piece in there about if she continues to distribute them then she will be charged 10 cents for each song distributed and approximately 2 dollars for each new song she illegally downloads. It is hard to say how much to charge someone like this though because not only did she illegally download the music if she used torrents or something along those lines more then likely she redistributed those songs. | |
Remember, she's being fined for sharing the songs, not downloading them. Presumably the RIAA is not suing her for the $24 dollars they didn't get from her, but the $X they didn't get from all the people who downloaded what she was sharing. That said - $80,000/song? She had 80,000 peers downloading each one of those songs? At 3MB/song, that's 5.7 terabytes of network traffic - I find that pretty hard to swallow. Even the previous judgement places it at 570 GB of traffic - also doubtful. I'm sure that there is a punitive multiplier in the judgement, but I'd be surprised if she had more than 500 people per song downloading them, placing the total lost revenue at $12,000, which would make the punitive multiplier something like 20x - which seems like total bullshit. | |
In a civil case where a jury is called in the jurors set the damage award. Not that it matters, the law got changed so that the RIAA can just get your internet connection shut off, they put out a press release saying that they weren't going to sue for cash any more. | |
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File-Sharing Single Mom Loses Again
The retrial of Jammie Thomas-Rasset, the single mom from Minnesota who was ordered to pay $222,000 for sharing music online, has concluded - and things have become considerably worse for her.
Thomas-Rasset had a rather unpleasant 15 minutes of fame in 2007 when a jury found her guilty of copyright infringement resulting from sharing music files online. Although she allegedly had shared over 1700 songs, the RIAA sued over only 24 of them; she was ordered to pay damages of $9250 for each, adding up to a total of $222,000.
A retrial was eventually ordered due to a possibly-errant jury instruction, giving Thomas-Rasset and a new lawyer a second chance to defend herself against the allegations. Unfortunately for her, it did not go well; much of her testimony was demonstrably questionable and in at least one case proven to be an outright lie. She was again found guilty of infringing the copyrights of all 24 songs, but this time around the jury awarded significantly higher damages: $80,000 per song, for a total of $1.92 million.
Thomas-Rasset "appeared shaken" by the verdict, although she said the RIAA would never see any of that money, implying that she was essentially judgment-proof. "Good luck trying to get it from me," she said. "It's like squeezing blood from a turnip." Interestingly, it appears as though the award might actually be too high for the recording industry; a representative said the RIAA was still willing to settle the matter rather than pursue the judgment.
Why? Winning a case and setting a precedent is one thing, but mercilessly stomping a helpless opponent into gooey syrup - a Middle American single mom, no less - is something entirely different. The principle of "score, don't spike" very much applies here; the RIAA might be a bully, but it doesn't want to appear to be a bully. A $2 million legal verdict isn't worth much when the court of public opinion glances over its shoulder and notices a massive industry conglomerate kicking the crap out of a nice lady who just wanted to listen to some music.
Source: Ars Technica
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