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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1065 Joined: 26 Jun 2008     | |
Beat Writer  Posts: 165 Joined: 6 Oct 2008     | What most people seem to be overlooking in this change is the target audience. While Blizz will take your money regardless of your reasons, this change was meant for players who have a high level character on one faction, but his guildies/friends/significant other plays on the other faction. As someone who has had to re-roll factions twice, this change is very welcome to me. Otherwise my level 80 mage with epic flyer, decent gear, and 3500 spare gold would remain useless to me because I have since made a new character to play with friends on the other faction. In essence, quit your QQing and think about who this will help before you pretend who it will hurt. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 873 Joined: 16 Apr 2008     | This isn't a -true faction change-, this is mearly a -change your character- change.
Cry more. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 186 Joined: 6 Jun 2009     |
What?! No no you are completely wrong? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1035 Joined: 29 Apr 2008  |
I was talking about people who in real life seriously hate people because they play the other side, not RP or jokingly. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 763 Joined: 21 Apr 2009    |
Yaay Blizzrd! Well, they are up for doing anything like this as long as they make $£€ from it. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1873 Joined: 26 Jan 2009   | "This is going to wreak havoc on RP servers." to some, Havoc, to trolls, this is going to be awesome. But when I heard about being able to change factions, I thought yo uwould be able to be a Tauren alliance member, or a Gnome Horde, now THAT would of been cool. |
Paperboy  Posts: 22 Joined: 23 Jun 2009    | This is genious, I got to admit it. I can agree that it ruins the roleplay, but I find it hard to believe that it would ruin PvP. WoW is, believe it or not, a social game. The more friends you play with the more fun it is. I for one would love to get to play with my old friends again. I think they are going to have a hard time figuring out quests, achievements, reputation, mounts and faction-limited items though. |
Muckraker  Posts: 321 Joined: 10 Feb 2008    | EEEEEK, that is all. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 142 Joined: 7 Jul 2008     |
Thank you for that, it was a good read. :) |
Beat Writer Posts: 186 Joined: 6 Jun 2009 |
I see. Haha I give my alli friends shit about it but I guess you're right, it should always just be as a laugh. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3427 Joined: 19 Mar 2008   |
Roleplayers are just going to have to pretend there's been a surgical breakthrough in the WoW universe. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 168 Joined: 29 Jun 2009    | quote="Baby Tea" post="7.121898.2436013"]I think it would be way cooler if you could have 'defectors'. And THAT would cause loads of whining.[/quote] ...and chaos ensues. This would be a better idea than trying to figure out all the equivalents. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3388 Joined: 20 Feb 2009     | I have but one thing to say about this: Nice. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 85 Joined: 14 Mar 2009     |
I agree with you friend ^__^ I love my little troll hunter so much, I would never exchange her for a weak little allie XP |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 845 Joined: 8 Jan 2009  | You know, I could care less about this than what I think MOST players would really really love.. The ability to change your RACE. I know waaaay too many people who started and leveled a race they just arent happy with anymore who would be more active if they could use a character they prefer. For example, I have a level 72 Tauren hunter that I would love to level except that honestly, I'm TIRED of Tauren. Tauren were cool when I first started the game so many years ago, but now I hate him... I hate how big they are, how they take up so much screen space, how navigating hallways is such a pain in the butt, and their hit box might as well have a "slay me first" sign on it. Being able to switch to a Blood Elf would reinvigorate the class for me. Same goes for my Mage Troll |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 511 Joined: 4 Jun 2008 | Give it a couple of years and Blizzard will be giving us the option to change our tauren's eye colour for a tenner. At what point do they decide they have enough cash? |
Paperboy  Posts: 24 Joined: 16 Jan 2009    | finally, my human warrior can be an orc! |
On the Record  Posts: 7238 Joined: 23 Mar 2009    |
That's essentially what this is. From what it sounds like, it's just that if you want to be another race on your current side, you have to pay twice to do it.
We're/They're roleplayers. Pretend is our/their forte. Do not understimate us/them! ^_^ |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 845 Joined: 8 Jan 2009 | Will they allow you to transfer more than once? I'd gladly pay for the ability to change my race, not just my faction. I enjoy being horde, never liked Alliance nor do I really like the idea of alliance players suddenly flooding the horde with their usual immature behaviour.. (in my experience mostly children and 'casual/mainstream' players choose Alliance because the humanoid/elf/dwarf races are more attractive to them, who envision themselves as the "heroes" of the story slaying the traditional "beast monster" enemies). As for faction only gear/mounts stuff, I suspect they'll just reimburse you the in-game equivalent or cost.. if it cost x-badges then you'll just get those back. For example, you'll get all of your Arathi basin points back to spend, etc... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1264 Joined: 3 Dec 2008    | Long overdue feature. It was ridiculous how you couldn't play with your friends just because they happened to go on the other faction. That said, the game is basically unfixable. I don't foresee playing it again, even for nostalgic purposes, as the pricing model effectively kills dabbling. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 72 Joined: 1 Jul 2009  | I'm really looking forward to this as now I can make one of my lvl 80 horde characters alliance and therefore raid with all my friends :D |
Muckraker  Posts: 271 Joined: 4 Feb 2009  | Deserters would be awesome,but I will NOT be changing my Paladin(human) to a Blood elf,no no no. What I mean by "deserter" is as in a human paladin that joined the horde,only trouble would be making sure the two sides stay balanced. There was a thread on if you talk to yourself,seemly I also typed to myself. |
On the Record  Posts: 6789 Joined: 7 Jan 2009  | They should let you keep your current character, just change faction. You'd be an obvious traitor and the first guy to die in PvP. |
Muckraker  Posts: 289 Joined: 29 Sep 2008 |
Yes! A billion times yes! I don't play WoW anymore, but this seems like something the game could do with, an extra dose of 'realism'. As for the main point, I truly cannot see this working. It sounds like a smokescreen to divert attention away from imminent nerfs. You saw it here first (possibly), ladies and gentlemen. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2566 Joined: 27 Apr 2009    |
I hope we get that eventually! I had a Night Elf in the P&P that worked for the Horde Side. She even dual-wielded Tauren Halberds. THORIUM Tauren Halberds. She was a badass, I should hit my mate until he starts DMing that again... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3618 Joined: 6 Apr 2009  | So all the Alliance guys are going to go to the Horde and the Horde are going to....stay as the Horde. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2568 Joined: 28 Nov 2007   | I have mixed opinions about the entire thing to be honest. Truthfully I could see a mass exodus from the Alliance to Horde to be honest. Despite what people might think "The Horde" does not have better or more mature players (heck, Barrens chat is infamous for a reason). It's all about game imbalance issues and The Horde having been handed a lot of minor advantages which over time snowballed into a decent amount of favortism. Penny Arcade once called rolling Alliance one of the biggest gips in the gaming industry. Game informer mentioned "Alliance Syndrome" with the angelic faction in their preview of Aion not too long ago. There has also been a lot of talk about "Bad guy Chic" and how developers almost always seem to put more time into the bad guys and make them cooler, and typically stronger. It isn't just WoW, if you looked at say Warhammer Online and what happened with Destruction right out of the gate it would be pretty obvious. The "Knights Of The Old Republic" MMO seems to be headed in the same direction with "Sith Mania" both with the attention they are getting in the lore, the players screaming "I wanna be Sith" and the various reveals. Right now I think WoW basically needs to make Alliance cooler, and also needs to act to balance the results of long-term imbalance. Things that compounded based on "minor" issues that should have been fixed or changed years ago. Not allow for side switching. At any rate if they WANT to allow people to switch factions, they should look at Everquest 2 as an example of how to do it. In EQ 2 there was a quest chain that allowed a character to change sides between Qeynos and Freeport (at least when I played briefly) so if you wanted to play a Good Dark Elf or Ratonga you could, and if you wanted to be an evil High Elf or whatever you could do that as well. This would solve the achievement issues and such. I've also sort of felt that at least on the RP/PVE servers there should have been a neutral option. Lorewise I'd imagine there would be heroes and such more or less agreeing with the position of Jaina Proudmoore rather than everyone being a mindless fanatic of one side or I understand the whole game design around faction rivalry though and why they did things the way they did. >>>----Therumancer---> |
Beat Writer  Posts: 126 Joined: 18 Jun 2009   | I think that all the races should have their own factions and allow the players to choose the alliances per server. Say the taurens and the Night elves gang up and just destroy everyone else. think that would make the game awesome! |
On the Record Posts: 7238 Joined: 23 Mar 2009 |
I like your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
If it gives my Night Elf the opportunity to visit Orgrimmar or my Troll the chance to see Darnassus, though, I'd be willing to look the other way. Even if I'll be attacked by a lot of Warcraft lore fans. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3145 Joined: 22 Jun 2008  |
I think a main problem is most of the interesting heroes from the alliance races either died (Muradin, Lothar, Uther, Antonidas, etc) or buggered off/switched sides (Malfurion, Illidan, Arthas). With the King of Stormwind making a comeback I'm thinking that Blizzard sees this as well. I would agree with the general Horde favouritism as well. The horde races in the lore have had great developments forwards (the founding of Ogrimmar, the Forsaken breaking away from the Scourge), as the Alliance races are seen as dwindling cultures (The destruction of the World Tree and it's effects on the Night Elves, The fall of Lordaeron). With the campaign of WC3 we are introduced to more interesting Horde characters (Thrall) and previous characters are further developed (Grom)while the Alliance characters are more old faces (Antonidas/Uther)and the newer blood either, as I said earlier switches sides, dies off, or, in Jaina's case, isn't really looked into from that point on. |
Paperboy  Posts: 19 Joined: 1 Jul 2009   | Oh shi- I'm suddenly glad I'm no longer on an RPGing server. The whining will probably be so loud that it reaches my server, too, as it did with the "change your character's appearance!"-chaos which resulted in a ton of spontaneous gender changed characters without any idea on how to portray a transperson respectfully. It was hell. I don't want to know what happens when people are able to transform into other races. It would have been really cool if that was restricted to humans, though - infected vs. cured, sort of. Not realistic, but ... well. More logical than a gnome turning POOF! into a tauren. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 984 Joined: 2 Dec 2008  |
Your avatar is mesmerising. Yeah, this looks really cool and stuf... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2317 Joined: 14 Apr 2009   |
And yet, so right. On an unrelated note, I faked the funk. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2317 Joined: 14 Apr 2009 |
Yes. For God's sakes, YES. |
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This is turning into a worse mess than the actual WoW forums -.-