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Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 586 Joined: 20 May 2008     | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1627 Joined: 14 Apr 2009     |
Even if you were a Gnome Horde, everyone would STILL hate you. We just don't like those annoying little bastards. I did the trial twice, once as a Nelf Hunter and once as a Tauren Druid (I liked Tauren better because Mulgore is just yummy with the mountains and rolling plains and... really great level design there, Blizz! :3) and the same amount of douchebaggery exists on both sides. Also, what's so wrong with Belfs? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1627 Joined: 14 Apr 2009 |
Oh, God. You just brought up some baaaaaaaaad memories... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1731 Joined: 7 Jan 2009    |
Ninja'd. Nonetheless - its a second job people are paying for. so obviously they are prepared to pay more...Im ashamed to say My highest level character on wow was on a RP server, but only because I was about level 30 before I actually realised what the server really was, so i tried to avoid most of those hilariously poor RPers and just play the game - but I had to go into the cities some time, and from my experience, I certainly agree this is going to fuck up all those 12 year old level 40 warriors who run around yelling "RAEP TEH HOERDZ" All day, seeing who will actually try to make an RP conversation out of it... I think im going to get a 30 day card, just to see their reaction back on my home-server. It will be HILARIOUS. Whenever someone 'rp dies' they are gonna make themselves an undead for a day and invade goldshire or some shit. Seriously, they whined about level 30 mounts, barbershops and I even heard a few complaints about acheivements. WoW players are very fragile, if you introduce a new game concept to them, they will whine. Now, they are going to go fucking BALLISTIC. and I want to get a screenshot... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1532 Joined: 6 Apr 2008    |
You seem to have quite a low of opinion of RP'ers...or maybe RP in general, sorry you didn't get a better impression. ;) Really though, people are the same regardless, there's always whiners. As for the second job jibe. Hardly. I can play WoW for about €30 a month (60 day timecard), and that comes out far less than were I to buy a full new release game per month. And, if it's fun, it's hardly work right? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1126 Joined: 12 Apr 2008   |
I can see what your saying, but I wouldnt say all. I think its a vanity issue, I encounter more abrasive people on the realistic humaniod races than the more anthropamorphic ones. I find the nices players on the allience tend to be Night elves and Dreanei, while the rudest horde ones tend to be Blood elves and Undead. All in all the most pleasnt people I encounter are ethier Tauren or Dreanei. I also find people tend to act nicer once they are past Lvl 20. However this is most likely do to the fact that by that point the have gotten more comfortable playing the game by the point so they tend to lossen up. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 518 Joined: 16 Apr 2009     | I don't play WoW anymore, but I figured they'd do something like make Gnomes and Humans allowed to be on the Horde, and Orcs allowed on Alliance. Like a Traitor Quest. Bah! This game promotes racism. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 92 Joined: 2 Jul 2009     | i didnt know that azoroth had plastic surgery but its stupid as hell but the fuck do i care the series is dead to me i would slit there neck becuse they murdered the diablo series while it was in a coma and i just hope to god they dont get starcraft are there is going to be a war with south korea |
Copy Clerk Posts: 92 Joined: 2 Jul 2009 | indeed BAD memories |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2411 Joined: 19 Feb 2009    |
you sir have a valid point |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2846 Joined: 10 Aug 2008    |
Have you tried running it? Most microwaves can run WoW nowadays. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 564 Joined: 8 Mar 2009     |
You're kidding, right? I guess if you set everything to low so you can barely make out any textures or anything past a few feet from your face, then it'll be okay. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 672 Joined: 22 Dec 2008    |
While the cooler bit is debatable, if you've played it you can't really call the Horde "Bad Guys" exactly. This is exactly what I thought the first time I played, but I realized after a bit of lore that the Horde overall is more Klingon-y and, with the exception of the Undead (specifically the Royal Apothecary Society) there are no truly morally corrupt factions on the Horde. The most amazing thing I think they've done with this game is make neither side definitively evil or good, they just happen to be on opposing sides, kind of an Israel/Palestine deal going on perhaps, and while you can't justify all their actions, neither can you point to one side a say for certain that they are entirely in the wrong or entirely right. However, I will say that the Horde lore seems much more interesting to me than the Alliance lore. To me most of the Alliance stuff seems fairly standard medieval fantasy style stuff while the Horde lore is all from an original perspective (even if they are mostly based off of other things). However, I DO love the concept of the Draenei, and interestingly enough I hate the Blood Elves. Very few stories have been able to make elves interesting to me, and WoW is no exception. Also I can't ever play a human. I'm already a human, why would I want to pretend to be one when there's so many other choices? Nevertheless, I can't believe this will get as much attention as people think it will. You can't escape immaturity, and I always knew where my friends were playing so if I wanted to play it was easy to get a character with them. I just want a neutral faction that can join either side. Or, as suggested earlier, the defector idea. Either one would be cool. |
Paperboy  Posts: 43 Joined: 14 Apr 2009    |
I know just what I was thinking you could do it buy some quest for a shady indiviual where they say that you will be wlecomed by the horde if you can obtain information on the alliance plans to attack (insert location here) maybe like a pvp area like arathi basin or omething with a warning that changing back would be difficult/impossible that would be brilliant however you would probably instantly lose your guild and friends and any honor points within the alliance would become dishonour points and you would be required to rebuild your honour status from scratch |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 640 Joined: 27 Aug 2008     | Wait, what? Glad I left WoW at the top of the hill, just before all of the good bloggers decided to bail and the content no longer interested me. Although marketing-wise, it's a positive move. You've now got the tools to allow a character at high-level to nigh-completly change thier character without having to re-level a new one. The only thing binding characters is classes now; which is good, gameplay wise. A hardcore raider that times all of his cooldowns precisly and optimizes his gear to the point of perfection doesn't give a damn about what faction he's fighting for or what race he's playing, only the bonuses given. |
Muckraker  Posts: 333 Joined: 30 Mar 2009  | RP-ers probably won't do it. If you've leveled on both sides, you probably won't do it. If you've never been on the other side, you'd have a lot of adjusting to do as far as locations, quests, etc. It might be easier just to level a new character with the help of your established friends (that you would hypothetically switching for). Does the current "recustomization" option involve race changes within the same faction? I didn't think it did, and I would figure that would be the next step before faction changes. I don't think that class changes would come anytime soon, if at all. I can't help but think of what might happen with arena/battleground stats, reputation, and the other race/faction specific things. If they can pull it off and people want it, cool. Otherwise, it kind of seems like a waste of energy to me. The idea of defectors,
Sounds like a good idea to me. I mean, they could even then have the aggro range and threat increased for defectors as they'll recognize you on the spot and use extreme prejudice as you are a traitor. Don't make it a sale or something, but have special quests where you can learn the opposing side's language and earn reputation with them. Even at that, maybe not neccesarily lose reputation with the other faction... then be like a double-agent, or just learn what is necessary from the other team, as well as understand them in chat. Okay... time to lay off that one... starting to scare myself. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 502 Joined: 29 Jun 2009 |
Gnome punting FTW! I miss those days; started out horde and went to Alliance following friends on a new server. *Sigh* I still can't stand those gnomes. |
Paperboy Posts: 27 Joined: 23 Sep 2008    | Gawd.. no! all the whining alliance kids wil come to horde.. *cries* |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 429 Joined: 7 May 2009  | This has to be a hoax. Haven't Blizz said on the forums that this can't happen? |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 537 Joined: 10 Oct 2008 | I'd call that 'Deserter Button' |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3869 Joined: 16 May 2008   | who honestly cares? I've played WoW on and off for about 4 years, and I haven't met one person who's crying about this. To the friends/guildmates of people who change their faction, it will be as if they had server transfered. I just recently started playing an alliance character on my predominantly horde PvE server, and it's like being in a completely different server - you don't see the same people, so I'd never notice that an acquaintence had disappeared. It'll be like they changed servers, and that's cool, why is this wrong? |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 58 Joined: 7 Mar 2009 |
This post is win. Punching children is okay in my book. Sadly enough, there are as many kids on horde as alliance...depends on server of course. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 87 Joined: 4 Mar 2009    | All I can see is wahwahwah alliance kiddies gonna come to horde boohoo Guys, they are already there, they have been since Horde got the Blood Elf, so all the pre-teen WoW players can carry out their anime fantasies x) Reason why Alliance had so many younger characters to begin with? Night Elves. Ever since the Horde got a 'pretty race' its been balanced out, I can't go on any server on any side without finding it being over-ran with the cesspool of rampaging teenage hormones. But when Blizzard realized this, they brought out the Blood Elves to try and balance the servers. Besides, sitting there whining about it? You're not sounding anymore mature than the people you are complaining about ;) As for the whole faction change ability? I really don't see the point. I enjoy playing both Alliance and Horde equally, I wouldn't change my main to an Orc Shammy, just as much as I wouldn't turn my only level 80 Horde [Undead Warrior] into a Human. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2832 Joined: 21 May 2009   | 4 months not played WoW and it's getting even more tempting. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1509 Joined: 28 Nov 2007 | Well, when it comes to Good vs. Evil I see it as the Horde is an evil side that has a few good people and the Alliance is a good side with a few evil people. For example in The Horde Thrall is more or less a straightforward good guy, and as the supreme leader he is what is keeping The Horde from falling into barbarity and outright evil, but he is constantly under pressure to basically go out and conquer everyone. The Orcs are still warmongers any way you look at it, and they are from another dimension. It isn't like they all decided to go home after The Dark Portal opened. Yes they are "Klingon Like" but then again the Klingons are bad guys, the only reason why they started working with The Federation was because they lost the moon Praxis (I think that was the name) causing an energy crisis and the inertia to continue to wage war. Had that not occured they'd still be trying to conquer and enslave everyone because that is what they do. Sure The Klingons have honor and respect The Federation but the relationship has been made clear. The Klingons aren't even especially happy about the alliance. In The Horde the problem isn't just the Royal Apothocary society, The Forsaken don't care for the living in general. Plus you've also got the Trolls who are practitioners of dark magic, the game mechanics don't go into eating hearts and stuff to cast spells, but these dudes are the "Dark Spear Tribe" from the games and while they allied with Thrall over common enemies (and got into The Horde that way) they are hardly a group of nice people. They are on a lot of levels a group of extrme bad guys, who happen to be useful, and have bartered that usefulness for protection of the Orcish armies against their other enemies. Really the only Horde races that could be considered "good" are The Tauren (who are loyal to Thrall for saving them more than to The Horde itself, and have an entirely differant way of thinking from the other races), and the High Elves who went wrong largely because of Kael'Thas, and were forced to do some pretty dubious things magically in order to survive after the horrendous beating The Scourge inflicted on them. I think the telling point is the "Wrathgate" event and the return of the Alliance's king. Now Jaina does have some valid viewpoints about peaceful co-existance, but in the end your dealing with diametrically opposing viewpoint. The Horde has a lot of people who want to rip out hearts and bathe in the blood of virgin children to enhanced their magical power for example. The alliance hates the horde because of the beating they took in stopping them pre-scourge. Enslaving them (as opposed to committing genocide) was an act of mercy, and it's interesting to note that as soon as they escaped they immediatly started building an empire again (causing failed naval retaliation) and getting some of the most depraved monsters together under one banner to create a unified threat. Such are my thoughts on everything at least. Noone is a perfect paragon of virtue, and doubts are cast on both sides, but in the end it is fairly straight forward. If Thrall actually represented the attitude of the common orc it would be differant, but he doesn't, and he also has a horrendous habit of picking the worst "Friends" in the world (and one is judged by the company they keep). - As far as being a human, my tastes vary from game to game, but part of the appeal IS that you are human IRL and it's cool to see us doing well in a world dominated by monsters and inhabited by other species. :) >>>----Therumancer---> |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1509 Joined: 28 Nov 2007 | Oh yes, and to restate something previously said. I do not think that the issue is "OMG The Horde is going to be taken over by little kiddies coming from alliance". People who think that Horde has older or more mature players totally forget that their stereotype is the opposite. These are the guys who like to put oversized avatars onto quest NPCs and such to trick people into clicking the wrong place so they can PK them. This is also the side that produced "Barrens Chat". Granted you can lose brain cells by reading some of the stuff in alliance trade channels, but Horde takes mass communication channel immaturity to entirely new depths. The reason why people would switch sides/races is simply because The Horde has better stats, and also by joining The Horde side in PVP it increases the chance of winning substantially (in part due to the snowball effect) and in the end what people want is to power up their characters. Going Horde basically gives the Alliance players a chance to pick the more powerful side. Strangely, rumors and stereotypes aside, I think more alliance players in The Horde would increase the maturity level. >>>----Therumancer---> |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1316 Joined: 19 Jun 2009  | This sucks,half of the game was the rivalry between the horde and alliance,next thing you know you will be able to change class,Blizzard are just whoring themselves out for subscribers,they became like Lucas and Spielberg,prostituting the franchise for money while making most of the fans miserable :-) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3291 Joined: 25 Mar 2009   | The Blood Elves did NOT bring all of the kids to the Horde, they ere there all the time. Don't delude yourselves. I had a troll rogue and a tauren druid at 60 when TBC came out, but also a human mage. Mages are my main class, and I didn't have one on horde before because When BElfs came out, there was finally a race that made sense using arcane magic, so I rolled a BElf mage as my new main. Then mages sucked and I stuck with the drood : ) |
Beat Writer  Posts: 138 Joined: 13 Jun 2009   |
This is what I've been thinking about for a long time. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 105 Joined: 6 Aug 2008 | Only been asking blizzard for this for nearly...3-ish years, the re-customization was a nice add, but they should of implemented a full scale change then. Now my priest can became the uber awesome troll he's alway destined to be, and the rogue can now become a gnome, just because there are certain people who need to be ganked into oblivion on my realm. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2415 Joined: 28 May 2009  | It looks like an interesting new way to make money:
So you can be pretty sure it won't be free. I think it will also allow people to change races in their own faction:
So you could change to a race from the other faction, and then change factions again choosing another race. I'm pretty sure they will allow this intentional "glitch" because people who would want to do so, would have to pay the fee twice. I see no other reason why they wouldn't allow people to change in-faction races. Do note that I never played World of Warcraft myself, I just find this new feature highly amusing. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 134 Joined: 22 Mar 2009  | Interesting stuff. I played WoW on and off for 4 years, and I can tell you this: maturity is not measured always in physical age. I found more kids on alliance side because they tend to think the alliance are the "good guys" - this is true. But a lot of them were pretty mature for being in their teens. I found quite a few kids on horde side, though they tended to be more of the "kid" sort of emotionally and socially stunted. Both sides have good and bad, and ultimately this is just a cashcrop for Blizz. They're going to make a lot of money off of this, and yes horde is better for pvp but the trick is getting people to listen and work together. If you get thousands of "heroes" switching from ally to horde, and they try to solo Alterac Valley, then horde will start sucking more in pvp because of lack of teamwork. No offense to anyone who still plays, these are just a few observations. Regardless of the age factor, the reason why horde has tended to do better in pvp is both because of racials and teamwork. |
Paperboy  Posts: 40 Joined: 3 Jul 2009   | Do you know what WoW needs to do? Make more than two factions. Of course keep the classic Horde and Alliance. But what about the Scourge and the Forsaken? Why do our DK have to leave the Scourge and join either Horde or Ally? Would it not make logical sence that faction wize it was closer to the story line? And why would you want to change your toon? That just seems retarded! I think it would be better if you could be a Troll on the Ally side. Thats what I thought the forum was about when i first found it. Not changing the actual race. What it sounds like blizzard is trying to do is play God and change your toons race, not what side they belong to. |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 2 Joined: 18 Jul 2009 | Probably Just last week i was running 25 man Naxx we were on KT and you know how he mind controls? Yeah a gnome was the one so i decided to target the gnome and hit him with 2 18k cricts in a row, i really hate gnomes my blood elf is a gnome hunter. |
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i still want normal race change features. silly blizzard making total faction changes but not simple race ones pff.