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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2010 Joined: 11 Jan 2009     | |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 100 Joined: 11 Jun 2009     | I would by a brand new ps3 if they do this I am looking to buy a refurbished 60 or 80gig right now this would save me money and it would be brand new. |
Muckraker  Posts: 348 Joined: 6 Feb 2008    | first off, the rrod will NEVER be fixed because the rrod is indicative of an internal hardware failure, and as long as there are 360s there will be rrod's. however the cause of the abnormally high failure rate HAS been fixed with jasper and better heatsink designs, so occurances of it should be down to normal levels of failure (electronics fail sometimes, it happens). anyway, i have to ask what the point of this article is? this "new tech" isnt new. a software ps2 emulator has been possible on the ps3 from day one, sony has the resources to make one in a few months and given that any team they assign to the project will have full access to design and hardware/software specifications for both the ps2 and ps3 it wouldnt be as hard as the pcsx2 team has had. only thing is sony hasant put ANY effort into it because, and i quote, "people arent interested in backwards compatibility". until ps2 sales tank and it becomes viable they probably wont. anyway, i think this article is kinda fudge, its always been possible, sony just hasant done it. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 7 Joined: 9 May 2009    | ...Except even the hackers have had a royal bitch of time trying to emulate the PS2 on windows software, so getting the emulation right, is not something that can be pulled of in a month of work. Particularly if there's something as quixotic as the emotion engine chip involved.
Care then to tell the unwashed masses why this is? |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 609 Joined: 26 Apr 2009    | My ps3 has bc. It would be nice for all ps3 owners to be able to play ps2 games on their ps3. |
BANNED  Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008   | Well crap. I just bought a brand new Slim a few weeks ago as I broke my launch one. Now I don't need it anymore? Although a digital distribution thing would be really cool, for some of the hard-to-find titles. I can't find Ico anywhere, or Katamari Damacy, Twisted Metal Black - you get my point.
Same reason a high end PC runs NES games worse than the actual NES. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1198 Joined: 7 May 2009    |
All I have to say to that is: HA! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1521 Joined: 5 Jul 2008    |
But funnily enough, there are games on the PS2 that run worse on the original hardware than emulated on the PC (though admittedly those are the exception, not the rule). Also, SOTC ran better on the PS3 emulated than on the original hardware, apparently. That and there are old games that benefit from emulation quite a bit. You don't have to wait for those 15 minute load breaks while trying to get that C64 game to run.
The chip costed that much per system but I still don't see why they also discontinued emulation that was proven to be somewhat functional (but no good for fighting games for instance, trying to play GGXXAC with a 3 frame delay is pretty painful for instance). That move was the more puzzling one to be honest. |
Muckraker Posts: 348 Joined: 6 Feb 2008 |
first off, i never said it could be done in only a month. a month is unlikely, several months on the other hand is perfectly feasiable, espically for a company with sonys resources. second, it is fallacious to say what sony can or cant do because of what the pcsx2 team is doing. the pcsx2 team is made up of programmers who make the emulator in their SPARE TIME, while sony would have people working 8-10 hour days, 5 days a week on an emulator. also, the pcsx2 team doesent have access to all of the information that sonys programmers would have access to either. |
On the Record  Posts: 5145 Joined: 3 Mar 2008     | Hey, I might have a reason to buy it now. Lack of backwards compatibility was why I switched to the 360 at the counter, you see. But now for the clincher: Does it play PS1 games? |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Doesn't need to. Everything that's had the Playstation name plays Ps1 games, thats why the classics section works. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4921 Joined: 10 Jan 2009  |
Same deal here: and I believe that all the PS3 models have PS1 capablity, which makes it even more nonsensical that they would choose to omit PS2 backwards compatability at all. |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Because its much harder and more expensive to include than Ps1 backwards compatability. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
On the Record Posts: 5145 Joined: 3 Mar 2008 |
They can? Well, I learned something new. I suppose there's one more thing to for me to save for now. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4921 Joined: 10 Jan 2009 |
Which means there's no chance in hell that Sony's next system will be backwards compatabile then. But seriously, the move to cut PS2 BC was ridiculous. If anything, they should have cut the PS1 capability. When you're moving people over from one console to another, and you know you have a substantial fanbase to work with, you don't decide to cut the BC for the previous console. Pulling a move like that is silly. |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
If they have a next system - I still think Onlive will be the next step. Ps1 BC costs them a tiny amount to put in. Ps2 backwards compatability requires that they put an actual Ps2 in the Ps3. This is the first form of Backwards Compatability with the Ps2 anyone has been exploring that doesn't effectively involve a Ps2 and a roll of duct tape. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4921 Joined: 10 Jan 2009 |
Onlive? What on Earth is that? I seem to recall it being something I was skeptical about... As far as this form of emulation goes, they're a little late to the party. After all, the 360 does BC via an emulator... so I'm kind of confused as to why Sony didn't see that and learn from it, especially when they heard all the complaints about the lack of BC. |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Because the difference between the Ps2 and the Ps3 is a bit bigger than between the Xbox and the Xbox 360. Thats sorta like asking modern Chinese people to explain the origins of the Baigong pipes, based on the fact that Americans know where the Liberty Bell came from. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Paperboy  Posts: 37 Joined: 29 May 2009   | This doesn't offer anything that the older 80GB PS3 didn't already have, software emulation. This isn't a sign of things to come, just a patent for something they've already done. P.S. Thanks |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Or rather, a patent to do this in a way that doesn't involve duct tape, and doing it cheaper. Its making the Ps3 work as a Ps2, not putting a Ps2 in there User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1521 Joined: 5 Jul 2008 |
Errrr... the first batch of Euro-PS3s played PS2 games on software (on an emulator), same with the older US 80GB PS3s. There were no PS2 parts in either of those. The first batch of 60GB US and JP PS3s had the PS2-on-a-chip solution but they were quickly replaced with ones that don't have that. From a consumer standpoint this means that that they're basically gearing up for something that they were already doing. And dropped.
The interesting part is that they were already running games on an emulator for a while and then decided to drop that too. A few games like Shadow of the Colossus ended up running with a noticeably higher framerate than on the original hardware but of course most ran understandably better on the real hardware. Like I said, a 2D game like Guilty Gear Accent Core had a 3 frame delay in inputs, which has a significant impact on the game (makes FRCs impossible for instance, some would say that basically makes the game unplayable). |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1364 Joined: 12 May 2009     |
I disagree, adding the BC back, only happens to open up several thousand games to PS3 owners. Many, many, many of which are PS Exclusives. Of course, this isn't an issue I have to deal with. My 60g loooooooooves those PS2 games. And yeah, just an affirmation, all PS machines, from PS1 to PS3, plays PS1 games. Morne |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1521 Joined: 5 Jul 2008 |
I actually didn't say anything about being against PS2 games working -- I'm very much for it, in fact. The current solution of stripping even the emulation is the crappiest solution they could've come up with, but really, this waffling makes very little sense to me. They had two solutions for that and dropped them both. The whole thing's a mess. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1364 Joined: 12 May 2009 |
Sorry Chief, that was a misquote, I was refering to ScottH266's post about being a bit late to the party. FYI, the reason the previous software emulation was bunked, was because it didn't work on 100% of PS2 games. This new patent appears to be all-inclusive. The Hardware BC option, was simply too costly for manufacturing, not to mention that it would limit the amount of 'slimming' they would've been able to do with a slimline, down the road. Morne |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Didn't that only have a 30% success rate? Something this is trying to fix? User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1601 Joined: 26 Apr 2009 | Actually, it was smart of Sony to remove PS2 compatibility. The Ps2 was still selling. DUH. The Ps1 was no longer making systems and Sony wasn't cruel enough to force you to rebuy all your old games again *cough*NINTENDO*cough* so it was a smart move to put PS1 compat in it. Also, the internal mem card is a life saver. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4163 Joined: 6 Sep 2008  | If they do this... I will buy a PS3. Yes, the Wombat, enemy of Sony, shall buy one. Someday. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 634 Joined: 8 Jan 2009   |
No... Honestly, why they didn't include some sort of additional port or adapter on the damn system to begin with to accept them is beyond me. |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
No, the enemy of Sony was Eggo, and he bought one about four months ago. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
They did. The original one had a Memory card slot in it. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3208 Joined: 10 Nov 2007   |
It was only partial emulation. The 80GB models and the european 60GB models have the Graphics Synthesiser chip in, they only do software emulation of the Emotion Engine.
It doesn't, it has a set of flash card readers, but no PS3 model has a PS1/2 compatible memory card slot. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 634 Joined: 8 Jan 2009 |
I have an original 60 gig from launch. Was this something excluded from North American versions? Edit: Nevermind. seems you are wrong for once Indigo. It never had a memory card slot. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1521 Joined: 5 Jul 2008 |
Hm. To be honest... if that's true, I'm even more confused. I thought the Emotion Engine and the Graphics Synthesizer were on one chip and that got nixed entirely. It'd make sense that they weren't running PS2 games on any original hardware considering the emulator could upscale them to HD resolutions. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1207 Joined: 17 Oct 2008    | Woo! Its about time full backwards compatibality got here - there was something so strange about hearing the PS3 whine and the framerate fall to its knees playing the original ratchet and clank. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1154 Joined: 29 Oct 2008   |
Me too. At least it would make people get over the "boo, it's not backwards compatible, I'll buy one if it was" and they'll realize it's a seldom used feature, they own a PS2 (fair assumption) anyway and finally buy the damn thing. There's a few articles about at the moment that make me think SONY aren't worried about things they should be. Come on, get back to the top. |
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How do we know Sony will actually make this a free download for everyone? They could just continue too sell PS2 consoles and not release this until they stop making a decent killing on PS2 sales.