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BANNED  Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008     | |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 784 Joined: 13 Feb 2009     | I'd buy it, Of course I think that the PC is he last console, even though you'll be buying it for years and years. lol PS3 wll be Wii Plus HD's hoe. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 60 Joined: 3 Dec 2007     |
Of course, there are plenty of well-made third-party games such as Klonoa, Boom Blox, Boom Blox Bash Party, Marble Saga Kororinpa, The Conduit, De Blob, Dokapon Kingdom, Elebits, Geometry Wars Galaxies, Zack and Wiki, Guilty Gear ^ Core, The Munchables, No More Heroes, Okami, Pro Evolution Soccer 2009, Puzzle Quest, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Sonic and The Black Knight, Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World, Trauma Center Second Opinion and Trauma Center New Blood. The problem is that no one wants to go looking for a good game. On Pachter's words, where is this "push" in PS3 sales going to come from? Why do people keep predicting such a thing with no evidence to support it? |
On the Record  Posts: 6208 Joined: 10 Mar 2008    | Patcher, for god's sake, make up your mind! First you say the PSP Go! is a ripoff, then you say you didn't mean it that way, then you say the PS3 will make a comeback sometime in the near future then you say "nope, Nintendo will stop that!" or something. Make up your damn mind! Is the PS3 going to make a comeback or isn't it? Not that it matters what an analyst thinks, I just like consistency. Personally though I don't think a "Wii HD" would change much. The Wii is already percieved as a family console meant for everybody, not a sort of technology whore with HDMI or 7.1 surround sound capabilities. While a "Wii HD" probably would boost sales a bit, I doubt that it would do much. After all, they'd still be in 1st place, so I don't see why a "Wii HD" would change Sony possibly getting in second. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1044 Joined: 12 Apr 2009    | Michael Patchter talks complete bullshit don't pay any attention to him. |
On the Record  Posts: 5160 Joined: 21 Aug 2008   |
Hahahaha.... Allow me to quote myself on the first page...
And just like that, our debate ends? It has been interesting. ;¬) |
On the Record Posts: 5160 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
I think his job is probably in danger, so he just keeps spouting nonsense till people are satisfied (or tired). But PSP Go! was his personal opinion, and he seems to believe he isn't allowed such a thing. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 209 Joined: 14 Aug 2008    | This is still Nintendo we're talking about. All we would get in the end is to see Mario bounce around with a more detailed mustache in Super-Duper Mario Universe IIV. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 123 Joined: 20 Sep 2008     | ..Yeah, almost as good as their last prediction: "I, ah, we're going to present you now with a very scientific sounding term, n-1, allright. And then we're going to pull a number out of a hat, like 2012, and then scientifically analyse ourselves down to how the breaking point for consoles is 2012-1 - namely 2011. No, dude, I don't know what it means, it's scientific!". |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2884 Joined: 11 Mar 2009    | I doubt that they will release a new console. That would just piss us off more. However, it is entirely possible that they could create an add-on device which simply acts as the GPU of the console. However, I don't think this would be an entirely viable option either; you need to charge quite a bit in order to profit from that, and I don't think anyone will buy it. Especially not the casual gamers, who make up the majority of their consumer base. So, I disagree. There will not be an HD ready Wii by 2010. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 53 Joined: 14 May 2009   | I have to disagree with the prophecy. The wii wasn't sold to most people who give a shit about graphics. It catered to casual gamers, households with small kids, older generations who never got really into games and were just starting, and people who like gimmicks. Which one of those will ooze their pants to get a hold of an HD-capable wii? I'm not saying it won't sell. I'm just saying it won't be a revolution, prodigy, or major comeback. The wii has already stopped selling as well now that people can get a hold of it and it's not in huge demand, which is the reason it was always bought and beating the other two consoles: no one could get a hold of it. In addition of course to it targeting children and families, rather than gamers, which always helps sales. I've worked in electronic retail stores and I've seen the numbers plummet recently. Also, quick question: the other 2 are already HD, why didn't the wii come with HD to begin with? I suppose it's really a rhetorical question. Probably the same reason you still can't play a DVD or even a CD in a nintendo console even though they did that 2 generations ago with the playstation 1. Okay...I'm done now. I'll be quiet |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 830 Joined: 4 Oct 2007  |
Hello Mr. Birdman.
No. It'll be an iterative step along the disruptive path. And it'll eat up some of MS and Sony's niche audience forcing them to move further upstream.
Simply wrong. Wii sales are growing. Last week, the other two console sales shrunk.
Because the plural of anecdote is data.. oh wait..
Because they're not competing for MS and Sony's audience.. yet. And by waiting, they let Sony and MS work out the kinks to making a very cheap, efficient HD graphics processor, so that when they do start putting them into Nintendo machines, they can do so while maintaining a significant cost advantage. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 378 Joined: 18 Dec 2008   | I dunno....even if such a system came out.....I doubt I would be comfortable using it because I've used the Wii before and I don't really get the satisfaction out of playing it compared to playing games on the PS3 or the 360. I mean, if they offer an alternative to the Wiimote....like the wireless controllers used by Sony and Microsoft in their products, then maybe I would reconsider but I just can't picture a Wii in every household dominating the 360 and the PS3..... |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1649 Joined: 10 Sep 2008  |
Well, you're just arguing with everybody, are'nt you. Analysts get paid to say things that may or may not be true. If they are right, then they are geniuses, if they are wrong, the data was unclear or there was an unexpected fluctuation of tachions or whatever. Thanks for linking to that article, it was a very fun read. It's even funnier when you imagine that Malstrom is from Unforgotten Realms. |
On the Record Posts: 5160 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
I am. I won't lie, it's good fun, I'm an opinionated person. However I know what analysts get paid for, that was said out of malice. It's one of the few times you will see such a biased view from me about someone. However if the PSP Go! Statement wasn't his personal opinion, why did he double back on it? That's what I always think to myself. Actually, hold on, how was I arguing with Jumplion? I'm not trying to start anything I would just like to know, seeing as I didn't disagree with him, I just said how I felt. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1649 Joined: 10 Sep 2008 |
It was just an observation on you being very active in this thread since early in the first page. It's also easier to say that "you argue with everyone" instead of "you argue with everyone, except for some people that you are in agreement with. And, actually, it's not really an arguement since we aren't angry, it's more of a civil discussion, so ignore my previous statement." |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4467 Joined: 3 Jun 2009    | HD doesn't really improve the graphics in games, i play my PS3 on a shitty little tv in my room and it looks the same on an hd compatible one |
Muckraker  Posts: 289 Joined: 20 Nov 2008     |
Yeah my bad, I was typing what I thought when I first read it. And I'm not saying that no wii owners care about the graphics or aren't gamers, just that I don't see the majority of them caring to deeply for an HD upgrade to their wii. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 199 Joined: 17 May 2009   | I wish the Wii didnt have all the motion control bullshit. If it didnt then 3rd party developers would actually be able to make a game for all three consoles without having to make a very different (and more often than not, inferior) game just for the Wii. The motion controls are a bit much. And furthermore, they dont even work half the time! And we shouldnt have to pay extra for the Motion Plus thing. That shouldve already been integrated before the Wii came out. |
On the Record Posts: 5160 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
Aye, fair enough, I can be fairly bull-headed if I truly believe someone is wrong/ignorant/trolling. What can I say, this place is for discourse and conversation, might as well make the most of it. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1649 Joined: 10 Sep 2008 |
At least the Escapist is fairly civil. You seem to argue like my brother, except that you are willing to concede a point. I've had to argue with him for so long that I tend to have an advantage when debating with others simply because they are willing to concede that they may be wrong.
The motion controls work fine as long as your not trying to get exact one-to-one input. In my experience with the motion controls, they tend to work well as long as there are not too many different gestures that can be used. A control scheme like the one in No More Heroes works well because there are only a few input commands possible, so there is a smaller chance of the sensor misreading the gesture. Also, without the Motion+, you can't get the speed of a gesture reliably. Trying to just tack on motion controls is a bad idea, especially when the limits of the technology aren't understood. You have sufficient buttons and movement controls, with the nunchuk and remote used for moving and aiming, a D-pad, and four other buttons. You're missing, I believe, about three buttons. A Wii port is going to be inferior, regardless of hardware, if developers don't spent the same amount of time developing that version. The same goes for the controls, if they suck, it's almost always the developer's fault for not spending enough time testing them. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 696 Joined: 11 Mar 2008   |
That's fine, we've all been guilty of rage-typing (me especially) at some point :) As for HD - You're right, I couldn't care less. |
Muckraker  Posts: 313 Joined: 5 Jan 2009   | I'm pretty sure this guy means a whole new console, not just a wii with HD support. The way he sounds, he seems to think it'll have two controlers, the wii one, and a conventional one so ports of 360 games will work. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 884 Joined: 24 Sep 2008    | I've stopped paying attention to what this guy says, even with his comments about the PS3 overtaking the 360. I don't think either will happen. Not wanting to sound like a fanboy, but I think that the 360 could possibly die on its own with its lack of large capacity media and less-powerful hardware unless Microsoft start planning a new upgraded model. Games like the up-coming Rage and FFXIII are evidence of this. Natal will, however, expand the audience even further to the casual Wii-type gamer aswell as serving the core audience. This battle-plan will help keep it riding relatively high. The Wii won't even though that is even less powerful since the gamers it caters to a lot don't need all the stuff more hardcore gamers need like vast beautiful environments or deep story-telling. And hardcore gamers wanting a Wii experience will come to expect something more like an arcade-type game (House of the Dead, MadWorld, etc.) or a Mario/Metroid/Zelda-type game. The Wii is impossible to bring down in popularity, as basically the entire world wants one. The PS3...well...I love the big black monstrosity, but Sony need to start re-thinking their battle-plan. Ways of doing this are things like the Eyepet (don't know much about that one, only heard about it from the ZP E3 Hype video) and the PS Motion Control. Again, like Natal, this will expand to the casual Wii-type gaming audience aswell as the current fanbase. Sony need to give help soon to 3rd party developers to make the most of the PS3's hardware, so that they don't risk losing out on 3rd party support. Exclusives won't help the console survive for long, and people will eventually get bored of ModNation Racers, LittleBigPlanet and Ratchet and Clank...well...maybe not that last one, but you get the idea. Also price-cuts are needed, possibly a slim-model, and PS2-game support for the 40GB and later models for when (or if) the PS2 dies out. The PS2...I say that's going to remain immortal. Easy to develop for; best selling console ever, so there are loads of people who have them, Wii-level hardware (nearly). It'll be a shame to see it die really. Remember this though, I could be wrong... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1348 Joined: 12 May 2009   | The Wii's getting GT5, God of War 3, the Last Guardian and Uncharted 2???? Oh wait, Michael Pachter said that. Nevermind, he was right once this century, he's used up his good look until at least 2100. Morne |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 407 Joined: 11 Apr 2009  |
That depends. Thanks to the Nintendo channel, I've seen a lot of these ads (despite not watching any TV). How they are presented seems to depend on the game. Notice that things like the Legend of Zelda, or Red Steel, (and Red Steel 2) weren't depicted with a 'family', but rather a guy in his 20's playing alone, in a relatively darkened room. Contrast this to stuff Like Wii sports, Wii Fit, Warioware and the like, which shows people of all ages, often in groups of 4, playing together in well lit rooms, and laughing a lot. So... Nintendo's aims with their advertising clearly depends on who the advertised game is targeted at. Making a blanket statement about their advertising being aimed at 'families' isn't true if you consider the ads as a whole. As for Wii HD, I think it would be counterproductive. Why? - Because HD graphics take more money to produce. The better the graphical quality of a game, the more it costs to make. (costs have been steadily increasing with each new generation since the times of the NES onwards). Now, why does this matter? Sure a HD wii would allow better quality for games that benefit from it. That's even obvious with the existing Wii titles. Now imagine that the Wii could do graphics to the same standard as the 360, and tell me that situation wouldn't get 100 times worse. (as well as making it nessesary to spend even more on the high end titles than is already the case.) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4577 Joined: 22 Jun 2008  | HD? On a console that is on-par with the original xbox? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1941 Joined: 18 Feb 2009  |
This, but whoever said PC gaming was a fad was wrong horrifically. Why can't we off the Wii as a serious console? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1094 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 | A good library of games on Nintendo's part would be a far larger threat than the Wii slightly increasing it's visual quality. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2734 Joined: 23 Apr 2008 |
At least you said can be bad. I rarely have lag on Brawl. Reason 1- at the 1:26 mark. Reason 2(the main reason)- at the 2:45 mark. and this one I like because of a comment I got for the video. That and at the 1:54 mark was fucking funny. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 554 Joined: 14 Jan 2008 |
When I made that statement, I knew that there were exceptions. MadWorld and Red Steel came to mind, but I didn't put them forth because if I mentioned every exception to every statement I make, I would spend most of my time backtracking and apologizing for having an opinion. I was referring to the overall ethos/spirit of the console (disclaimer: what I'm about to say is by no means the final word on the consoles' qualities). For example, the PS3 has an ethos of superior technology and elitism (it is, by the numbers, the most powerful console...Sony tells this to anyone who will listen). The XBOX 360 has an ethos of extreme competition (5 minutes on XBOX Live will show you that). The Wii, by and large, is marketed to families. For the ads that I've seen on TV, the family-centric ones far outnumber the gamer-oriented ones. There are dark, brooding titles for hardcore gamers, but they are few and far between. I'm not trying to insult the Wii or Wii owners, but to me, it is very obvious that the console occupies a certain market niche: family friendly gaming console. |
Beat Writer Posts: 199 Joined: 19 Mar 2009  |
Its more like 1.3X xbox. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1766 Joined: 2 Jul 2008  | HD graphics does not take more time and money to produce. You could put the NURBs used by Super Mario 64 through a better GPU and get crisp HD visuals without "vaseline-o-vision". Artist created textures would have to be replaced by Procedurally Generated stuff, so when you walked up to Princess Peaches castle the walls didn't go all super-blockified, but kept looking like stone. Most of what Nintendo produce is fantasy, so you can't complain that it doesn't look 'Photorealistic'. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 107 Joined: 16 Apr 2009 |
I was just thinking this exact thing.. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 145 Joined: 11 Mar 2009 | This is a simple problem. The Wii won't sell to the hardcore audience until their library includes more hardcore games. I doubt casual gamers would be interested in HD games. |
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I meant the art, yeah.
Not entirely true. Look at Valkyria Chronicles - the power of the Ps3 used to make something that looks beautiful.