Kilgorn: the PS3 is realy the inferior system if you think about it otherwise valve would have been able to make the same exact content on it as the 360 and PC
valve also needs to hurry up with the DLC for TF2 on the 360 they talked about it like two years ago and its still not done
No Fanboyism there, not one bit.
The reason they had different result on the ps2 and ps3 was BECAUSE they used an outside company. Hell, they don't like ps3 because MS pays them better, and I can't say as I blame them. MS isn't no slouch when it comes to marketing, but which it come to the actual product sony seems to do amazing things. I'd bet money if we had Mirco Sony we'd have decently affordable consoles that are so technically advanced it would rock the wii off it high horse, but untill that day comes were stuck with companys that pick which side they want to be on. Valve likes MS, be that as it may. We've got naughty dog, Insomnia, and the guys that made sly cooper. That may sound uneven, but I'll be damned if Vavle isn't one of the best Game producers out there.
It seems silly to get mad at a game developer because they won't put develop games for a certain console. I have to buy a PS3 to play Heavy Rain but I am not mad at Quantic Dream for not developing it for the 360 or PC.
I can't play L4D2 on the PS3? ZOMG NOOO-wait a second, I haz this hur PC...I WINZ INTRAWEBZ WEWT!
That or figure out where I temporarily boxed up the 360 when I moved (I was in the mood for some Jak and Daxter when I arrived, and the PS2 was dead due to faulty wiring).
Valve doesn't want to spend the extra time and money developing for a console that has smaller profit margins than their current platforms. Seems fair to me.
...We have completly derailed this thread. Hooray!
But you see, there is one thing you didn't count on....I am not left handed. I summon something even more chaotic evil to fight you - Kratos. He not only destroys you, but because of them insulting him, he destroys VALVe. See, now we're back on topic.
-People hate valve for not making ps3 games. -Valve responds with a sensible awnser about why they don't do that. -People hate valve even more for not giving them what they want. -Valve response again explaining that eventually the games will get ported but requires a large amount of time and money. -People hate valve even more for being greedy by not halting all other projects and do something very costly that most likely will cause them to loose a large amount of money. -Valve gives in, makes the game anyway, turns out a massive loss. -People hate valve even more for not porting it immediately and refuse to buy it. -Valve decides that the ps series is a completely loss and stops supporting it. -People hate valve for not making ps4 games. -Valve responds with a sensible awnser about why they don't do that. -People hate valve even more for not giving them what they want. -Valve response again explaining that eventually the games will get ported but requires a large amount of time and money. -People hate valve even more for being greedy by not halting all other projects and do something very costly that most likely will cause them to loose a large amount of money. -Valve gives in, makes the game anyway, turns out a massive loss. -People hate valve even more for not porting it immediately and refuse to buy it. -Valve decides that the ps series is a completely loss and stops supporting it. -People hate valve for not making ps5 games. -Valve responds with a sensible awnser about why they don't do that. -People hate valve even more for not giving them what they want. -Valve response again explaining that eventually the games will get ported but requires a large amount of time and money. -People hate valve even more for being greedy by not halting all other projects and do something very costly that most likely will cause them to loose a large amount of money. -Valve gives in, makes the game anyway, turns out a massive loss. -People hate valve even more for not porting it immediately and refuse to buy it. -Valve decides that the ps series is a completely loss and stops supporting it. See where I'm going with this?
"We're really, really proud of the fact that whatever platform you play the game on you're getting the same experience"
Not really Doug. Because PS3 users are the ones lying awake at night, wishing they could have an update thrown their way. Wheras PC users sleep sound in their beds, with alternate weapons freshening their dreams.
gof22: It seems silly to get mad at a game developer because they won't put develop games for a certain console. I have to buy a PS3 to play Heavy Rain but I am not mad at Quantic Dream for not developing it for the 360 or PC.
Yeah but I think this is more to do with the fact that Valve have released the games on PS3, but havent commited to providing the support that they have other consoles. They probably shouldnt have released the PS3 port if they weren't going to provide updates or patches that the PC and 360 are getting.
gof22: It seems silly to get mad at a game developer because they won't put develop games for a certain console. I have to buy a PS3 to play Heavy Rain but I am not mad at Quantic Dream for not developing it for the 360 or PC.
Yes, but then Neither the Pc or 360 ever did anything to help Quantic Dream while Sony gave them the cash to continue on their remarkably weird little experiment in gaming.
Mebbe if it was easier to code for they wouldnt need a specialist team. Gee looks like Sony have dropped the ball again. Isnt it traditional to commit harikari if you totally balls something up ?
gof22: It seems silly to get mad at a game developer because they won't put develop games for a certain console. I have to buy a PS3 to play Heavy Rain but I am not mad at Quantic Dream for not developing it for the 360 or PC.
Yes, but then Neither the Pc or 360 ever did anything to help Quantic Dream while Sony gave them the cash to continue on their remarkably weird little experiment in gaming.
PC isnt a brand, as far as I know Microsoft dont pay developers to make games. If they do I suddenly see a career ahead.
'Oi gimme some cash for a Porsche boxster..... erm I mean to make this game for your platform. While your at it Ford you owe me. Im designing a wheel cover for yah ... bling bling'
Sindre1: Anyway, Sony deserves it as they deliberatly made the console hard to programe for. They said so. PS3 owners however, does not deserve it.
Oh please, Sony PR is horrible, we all know that. In the almighty words of Onmi "If Kaz Hirai would just shut his fucking mouth things would be a lot smoother!"
Wow, only took, what four comments before the first snipe at "PS3 fanboys" came and then only a few more comments before the insults of the PS3 started. I expected it to be quick, but y'all surprised me.
Doesn't the constant fanboy console warring get old?
With regards to Valve and this announcement, yeah, this is the kind of answer the people in Marketing give. Spin, spin, spin. The developers were probably way more honest.
gof22: It seems silly to get mad at a game developer because they won't put develop games for a certain console. I have to buy a PS3 to play Heavy Rain but I am not mad at Quantic Dream for not developing it for the 360 or PC.
Yes, but then Neither the Pc or 360 ever did anything to help Quantic Dream while Sony gave them the cash to continue on their remarkably weird little experiment in gaming.
PC isnt a brand, as far as I know Microsoft dont pay developers to make games. If they do I suddenly see a career ahead.
'Oi gimme some cash for a Porsche boxster..... erm I mean to make this game for your platform. While your at it Ford you owe me. Im designing a wheel cover for yah ... bling bling'
Either way, they didn't help, so they don't enjoy the spoils. "Fuck all you!" Said the Little Red Hen.
Sindre1: Anyway, Sony deserves it as they deliberatly made the console hard to programe for. They said so. PS3 owners however, does not deserve it.
Oh please, Sony PR is horrible, we all know that. In the almighty words of Onmi "If Kaz Hirai would just shut his fucking mouth things would be a lot smoother!"
Sure, their PR is horrible. Does not necessarily make it less true. I have heard of other companies that claims its hard to work on. They, however, did not stop.
Geoffrey42: [sarcasm] Why are Level-5 so f'ing lazy? I don't own a DS, but I hate them for not making that game available on XBOX Live/Steam/PSN/Virtual Console/PSP. Those lazy jerks are such... lazy... jerks.
Wanh, wanh, wanh, wannnnhhhhh. [/sarcasm]
The only external (non-inferred/assumed) difference between Valve and LEVEL-5 in this case is that Valve had the misfortune of being pressed on the issue, and responding.
Isn't LEVEL-5 a Sony-owned company? I'm not sure as all I know is that they made the Dark Cloud games and they're making the White Knight Chronicles game aren't they?
They've worked closely with Sony most of their existence, but more recently worked with Nintendo putting out Professor Layton and the... series of games. But, they refuse to put Professor Layton on a platform I own, so I hate them, because they're obviously lazy jerks. Essentially though, they're independent developers who have thus far been published by SCE and Ninty.
Name three other game companies that aren't owned my Microsoft or Nintendo that don't develop for Sony, and besides, the fat joke was that, a joke! He wasn't saying that that was a legitimate criticism, in fact, he said sarcasm aside after that, he was kidding.
People don't say Valve are lazy because those people have extensive programming experience and know exactly how hard it is, they say it because so many developers do make games for the Ps3, so Valve is technically lazier than them in that sense.
As a final point, I don't really care about Valve, the Half Life series frankly bores me and I have only really enjoyed Portal by them.
Not that I want to defend his point about needing to be a developer to make a reasonable criticism (as both sides have pointed out, using other developer's statements as proxies for our own experience is just fine), but in regards to developers that aren't Microsoft or Nintendo subsidiaries that don't develop for the PS3: Gas Powered Games Stardock (and, by association, Ironclad Games) Relic
"Technically lazier"? Is Sucker Punch "technically lazier", just because they choose to focus on one platform, even if they're not owned by Sony? No, at least, in my opinion. They're smarter for not wasting development resources on cross-platform issues.
To be fair, my position on this is not entirely unbiased. You see, I own all 4 current-gen non-portable platforms, and I prefer platform exclusives. No BS about certain content being exclusive to one console or another, no irritating compromises or hacks so that the control scheme works on all platforms (I'm looking at you, PC ports of console games). No anxiety about picking "the right one". There is only one, and its the right one, and I get to enjoy it on the platform it was designed for from the ground up. At least with Valve and their barely-multi-platform strategy, I know exactly which one is the right one.
About the lazier thing, Morne explained that perfectly well.
When I said name the developers that don't develop for Ps3 I kinda meant ones that develop for Xbox rather than Ps3.
...We have completly derailed this thread. Hooray!
But you see, there is one thing you didn't count on....I am not left handed. I summon something even more chaotic evil to fight you - Kratos. He not only destroys you, but because of them insulting him, he destroys VALVe. See, now we're back on topic.
Ah, but you see, the resulting Internet Backdraft from you winning forces the writers to count that as an Alternate Continuity. Due to my Critical Existence Failure I survive Kratos' attack and become a God thus killing Kratos and reviving Valve. Oh, and I force Sucker Punch to make Sly Cooper 4. Thus everyone is happy.
Alarid: It is easy for them to design for the XBox as compared to the PS3. The 360 has similar programming to that of a computer, so it is easier to port.
Is that why it takes so long for Valve to get DLC to the 360? Cause its just too easy to port to.
If only that were true. *Sigh*
Morne