rawlsku:
Having blind men touch elephants?

They're more perverted than I thought.

That's an old myth thing, where three blind guys touch an elephant and all come to different conclusions based on what they touched; e.g one comes to snake after touching it's.....trunk

OT; one part of this was TRIFORCE productions, can these guys come up with anything themselves. Although I don't think valve have to start worrying just yet, unless that quarter-life (sounds like an American arcade simulator) gets made

link670:
Let me count the similarities....
Blatant Scout Rip-off
Blatant Heavy Rip-off
Blatant Rocket Jump Rip-off
Blatant Uber Charge Rip-off
Blatant Similarities to the "meet the..." trailers
Grenade looks exactly the same as TF2 grenades...
Same Style Graphics

Thats a total of 7
Coincidence?

You do realize that people have been rocket jumping in FPSes since Quake came out in 1996, right? Maybe even in the Doom era, I'm not exactly sure.
While I do see many of the similarities pointed out, I am still mazed by the lengths that the "rip-off" crowd goes to sometimes. I recall somebody even commenting on the similar helmet a solider wears from one of the earlier threads.

I think your claims are decent enough so that you don't have to go scraping off the bottom of the barrle for arguments.

On a slightly different note, lets say that we can establish that this is a blatant rip-off. Then what? What should be done about it? What would be done about it?

Indigo_Dingo:
Oh yes, because Valve totally invented the concept of combattants in multiplayer using weapons like a sniper rifle, bazooka, machine gun, shotgun, minigun, or grenade launcher. Its not like we'd seen all that before in 2001. Nope, before that, all online multiplayer had was sticks and rocks.

Honestly, get over them. The similarity is that there is a lot of action and the characters use weapons? What the hell is wrong with all of you?

This.

Seriously, it would only be a ripoff if they were trying tp pull off a post-Pixar effect. But they went in a different direction with the toy-anime look. Right now it's only a similar engine I expect being used.

I say give it a shot before calling out the mob. Am I right? Besides, we let this slide all the time in the game industry. X Blades anyone? Sonic Unleashed anyone?

DJPirtu:

You do realize that people have been rocket jumping in FPSes since Quake came out in 1996, right?

Oh I had no idea.

Indigo_Dingo:
Oh yes, because Valve totally invented the concept of combattants in multiplayer using weapons like a sniper rifle, bazooka, machine gun, shotgun, minigun, or grenade launcher. Its not like we'd seen all that before in 2001. Nope, before that, all online multiplayer had was sticks and rocks.

Honestly, get over them. The similarity is that there is a lot of action and the characters use weapons? What the hell is wrong with all of you?

obviously someone didn't even watch the trailer

Not class based its not ripp off.
Using bats as a melee weapon not a ripoff.
Using jazz/swing music not a rip off.

the trailer might be trying to capitalize on the high volume of frantic action in the TF2 trailer...but that's about it.

All things considered, yeah, this trailer probably is just a homage to TF2, and gameplay will probably be different enough that it won't be considered a rip-off. But either way, it's also a complete marketing FUBAR. If the trailer had been mostly original stuff, with just a few references to TF2 littered in there, it would have been just fine - people would think that they're similar, which is probably what they want us to think, but different enough to give it a second look. Instead this trailer, which is the first exposure most people will be getting to this game, is incredibly similar to the various TF2 promotional videos. The average person won't look any farther than that - they'll see an identical promo video and assume that they're identical games. Even if/when later gameplay videos come out and prove that the game is very different from TF2, the negative connotation of 'rip-off' has already been set firmly in many of their potential customer's minds. Also, "It's not actually a rip-off" won't get as much press coverage.

So in short, if it is a rip-off, it was probably doomed from the start, but if it isn't a rip-off then I'd wager good money that this poor advertising move just killed it.

I was skeptical when I read this. I mean Team Fortress 2 has many qualities from other shooters. At times one is bound to find similarities between games since there are so many things out there already used.

Buuuuut, then I saw the video. A few things similar is OK and I expect it from all games, but there is just one after another of similarities. The bat of a scout and the way it was used, the sniper shots and the similarity with the video, the incredibly ripped off and most obvious minigun (they could have used any other weapon, like a normal rifle, something futuristic, but a minigun? If it was only the minigun then perhaps OK, but united with the others it becomes a little too obvious), the rocket launching character in there was a bit obvious as well although many like to say since many people prefer rockets than rifles well it would be funner although even the character looked similar, and then the BIGGEST rip off, bigger than the minigun, the grenade off a demoman. It looked similar, although it blew up a bit different, he had the same weapon, and the character had ONE EYE, not to mention was black even. That is a complete rip off!

As I said, alone it might have been passable, seeing it might have been inspired by TF2, but there are just too many similarities ON THE VIDEO. It was a video after all. We have to see actual final gameplay instead of a trailer. Perhaps they will change it, now more than ever they should seeing too many people have seen and talked about it.

Sevre90210:
I'd still play it, who cares if its a rip off? BF Heroes also ripped off TF2 with the style.

But from the looks of it they copied the cartoon style and most off the weapons whereas BF Heroes just copied the cartoon style (although Demoman+Spy=Commando)

So they ripped a game off that was the N-th take (or rip-off) on a concept designed in the Quake era?

Fun fact: their explosions and rocket trails are IDENTICAL to the TF2 ones. Not inspired by or ripped off from, but direct copypasta from their game files.

Honestly it doesn't look like a rip off,at least not anymore than every other FPS is a rip off of every other FPS that ever existed.

Oh, they're both cartoonly looking!
Oh, they both have Gatling guns, and the Gatling guns look like Gatling guns!

I've seen that seen the Gatling gun girl scene in a dozen different animes.

Oh, but they have some similarities to the TF2 characters!

TF2 characters were not innovative or new;
they were personifications of Cliches!
God forbid something to have a passing similarity to a cliche!

rawlsku:
Having blind men touch elephants?

They're more perverted than I thought.

Touch my elephant.

Wow, I could have come up with an idea for their game, and it would have been original, so the difference between me and the SK iMedia is that I'm original and they can program the same game but make it look different.

Similar yes, but as has been said above, hardly to the point where anyone can think of pressing charges. And IMO the premise of toys fighting eachother is pretty cool. I'm still not going to play it, but it's a neat idea.

Why would you NOT want to copy TF2. TF2 is brilliant and it does so many things right it would be criminal to not allow other games to do the same things correct.

That's gameplay-wise. Graphics wise this game needs to get some new weapon designs to avoid being sued. Artistic style is something than can be copied if done well. TF2 shouldn't be the only online shooter allowed to get away with having colours other than brown (OH SNAP!).

DJPirtu:

You do realize that people have been rocket jumping in FPSes since Quake came out in 1996, right? Maybe even in the Doom era, I'm not exactly sure.

Doom didn't even have jumping, let alone rocket jumping. Just sayin'.

Indigo_Dingo:
Oh yes, because Valve totally invented the concept of combattants in multiplayer using weapons like a sniper rifle, bazooka, machine gun, shotgun, minigun, or grenade launcher. Its not like we'd seen all that before in 2001. Nope, before that, all online multiplayer had was sticks and rocks.

What game was released in 2001 with all that? The original Team Fortress was 1996. Then the guys got hired and they released Team Fortress Classic in 1999.

that actually looks pretty fun, and a nice reinvention... although when I saw the demoman and his grenade, and the only difference being the electrical shock instead of bloody carnage, I raised an eyebrow. It looks exactly like a stick figure replica of a black Scottish cyclops, even has a fucking eye patch!

messy:
OT; one part of this was TRIFORCE productions, can these guys come up with anything themselves. Although I don't think valve have to start worrying just yet, unless that quarter-life (sounds like an American arcade simulator) gets made

Quarter-Life? seriously, a game called quarter-life?

well, I wouldn't worry until Quarter-Life: Chapter 2 gets delayed for 6 months
as in CHAPTER 2: THEY REVOCER TEH ISOTROP BUT THEY DONT

At first I thought it was disturbingly similar but not quite a ripoff, but the ubered anime figurine with a mini-gun clinched it for me. Still interesting, though.

1) Level design looks derivative:

From looking at a screenshot of the game (I don't remember the URL--finding content on a search engine is pretty difficult), it looked almost just like TF2. Lots of solid colors, industrial arenas, team-based territorial colors, very sparse arenas. Now, that's not enough to make me scream "RIP-OFF," but it made me wonder for a second if I was looking at H.A.V.E. or TF2's Granary level.

Oh, and soupy gibs. All you need are the bits of limbs, and you have TF2's gibs.

2) Music style is VERY similar:

Bold, brassy, like an old spy action movie theme. Compare to the TF2 theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7laxF8se_so. Similar music style, except HAVE's is way, way more like a hyperactive thirteen-year old girl that can't sit still.

3) Character design:

Honestly. The characters they were showing in the trailer looked very similar to the TF2 classes, except... well, less goofy and likable. One-eyed black Demoman; helmeted, rocket-wielding Soldier, speedy Scout. No, that's not enough to make me scream "TF2 RIP-OFF", and they're fairly generic character types, but it makes me raise an eyebrow and think that they're trying to attempt what Valve accomplished... but failing miserably.

Because, I think we can all agree, sometimes you can't help but laugh at what's happening in TF2 when things get exciting: people are screaming exaggeratedly in pain, calling each other names that would make a preacher pale in horror (Five words: "Ya great lactating wet-nurse!", Engineers holding a hoe-down as their turrets mow down people that inched out just a bit too far... and then you have some idiot W+M1 Pyro running into the fray, shouting "HUDDA HUDDA HUH!"

But, adding that all together, either they're attempting to design a game that is highly derivative of TF2, or... they picked the worst possible way to promote their new game.

On that note, it's been quite a while since I've played TF2. I think I know what I'm doing when I get home.

I'm assuming this is the birthchild of some Korean guy watching a few clips of Toyfort, and then being told to "do that kind of stuff".

Susan Arendt:
Ooo, they both have snipers - clearly it's a ripoff!

My personal jury is out until I see something more than just a tiny trailer, but all I see are two cartoony, class-based shooters, that's about it. I suppose it's inevitable that anything cartoony will be compared to TF2, but I don't really see this as a straight-up ripoff -- unless you consider any game with a cover system is a Gears ripoff.

A baseball bat is hardly a unique weapon. Same is true for a Gatling gun, flamethrower, etc.

Agreed.

At this point all we can do is look at the trailer, compare the similarities, form our own opinions, and keep them to ourselves.

Malygris:
and there's no denying that SK iMedia was, at the very least, powerfully inspired by Valve.

This.

I want to be that sniper, she looked as if she owned a lot of peeps.

Sure, it looks pretty ripped-off, but who wouldn't want to be a anime girl shooting toys in the face?

I think it looks pretty fun. Plus, unlike most, I am willing to give it a chance before going 'OMG TF2 RIPOFFZ' I saw about a second of gameplay there and that's not enough to tell me it's an utter rip of TF2.
Everyone chill...

Indigo_Dingo:
Oh yes, because Valve totally invented the concept of combattants in multiplayer using weapons like a sniper rifle, bazooka, machine gun, shotgun, minigun, or grenade launcher. Its not like we'd seen all that before in 2001. Nope, before that, all online multiplayer had was sticks and rocks.

Honestly, get over them. The similarity is that there is a lot of action and the characters use weapons? What the hell is wrong with all of you?

Indeed. So it looks similar to TF2. Whoop-de-fuckin-do. The same could be said about Gears of War and Kill Switch. Marathon and Doom. Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo.

All of them were great games, and loved by fans. And I didn't see any lynch mobs threatening to burn down the HQ of the studios that made those games. Get over yourselves. It's not like they ripped the assets right from the game.

ZeroMachine:

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

You are kidding me, right? Right? Please, tell me you're kidding me!

Did you even watch that video? It's not about the gameplay, it's about the look and feel of things!

I was thinking this Zero =/

Using ideas from games is OK. Copying it however isn't, I mean they copied the Demoman right down to the grenades!

NoMoreSanity:

Well by the looks of it it seems to be TF2 but more insane. And I like the sound of that.

And who wouldn't buy that? Let's give it the benefit of the doubt! Sure it looks the same, but hectic or what?!

Oh wow. How can they not say that they copied Valve in the least? The sniper's scope is EXACTLY the same in both games!

The Scouts both wield silver aluminum bats! The demomen's grenades are identical!

Yes, Valve didn't invent the online FPS, but, SK iMedia clearly took multiple ideas from Valve and is incorporating them into their game.

Flionk:
All things considered, yeah, this trailer probably is just a homage to TF2, and gameplay will probably be different enough that it won't be considered a rip-off. But either way, it's also a complete marketing FUBAR. If the trailer had been mostly original stuff, with just a few references to TF2 littered in there, it would have been just fine - people would think that they're similar, which is probably what they want us to think, but different enough to give it a second look. Instead this trailer, which is the first exposure most people will be getting to this game, is incredibly similar to the various TF2 promotional videos. The average person won't look any farther than that - they'll see an identical promo video and assume that they're identical games. Even if/when later gameplay videos come out and prove that the game is very different from TF2, the negative connotation of 'rip-off' has already been set firmly in many of their potential customer's minds. Also, "It's not actually a rip-off" won't get as much press coverage.

So in short, if it is a rip-off, it was probably doomed from the start, but if it isn't a rip-off then I'd wager good money that this poor advertising move just killed it.

QFT!

Simply bad marketing by the developers/publishers.

L.B. Jeffries:
I dunno, it's a class-based multiplayer FPS. They're all pretty similar to me, except instead of looking like action figures here and in TF2 they're all muddy grey rubber manakins. Frankly, I wish there were more games that went for a more engaging aesthetic.

Team Fortress's art style is great. There's nothing else like it. And where do you get "muddy grey" from?

The gameplay looks identical :|

This is like TF2 crossed with Rapelay.

The idea sounds and looks pretty cool, but the actual mechanics and aesthetics are what makes it look like a rip-off. A gatling-gun soldier with invincibility? The tiny "demoman" bombs? The bat? The sniper action? All of it screams "we liked TF2 so much we put it into our game." That said, it looks like it could have been cool and original, but the splatter/gore effects (why even have gore with toys? Wouldn't a Lego-style disassembling be more appropriate?) and weapons and movements all look like they're copying TF2.

TheTygerfire:

L.B. Jeffries:
I dunno, it's a class-based multiplayer FPS. They're all pretty similar to me, except instead of looking like action figures here and in TF2 they're all muddy grey rubber manakins. Frankly, I wish there were more games that went for a more engaging aesthetic.

Team Fortress's art style is great. There's nothing else like it. And where do you get "muddy grey" from?

As in, every team based FPS besides Team Fortress 2 looks muddy and grey. I was pointing out that bitching about someone else making a cartoon styled FPS was a bit silly because it's a refreshing and new visual style in a genre where most of the games look exactly the same.